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2021 trade deadline is fast approaching, who do you want the Knicks to try to get?
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martin
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1/31/2021  5:00 PM
fwk00 wrote:Two FYIs when discussing trades.

1.) According to Hahn, Payton cannot be traded because he was signed after not being signed - in essence making his contract no-trade. According to Hahn all the Knicks can do is waive him if they go that route.

2.) if you intend to trade a 2021 first-rounder, make it the Knicks pick and not the Mavs.

Or you can just blanket say you will trade the worst of the 2 picks

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1/31/2021  5:49 PM
martin wrote:
fwk00 wrote:Two FYIs when discussing trades.

1.) According to Hahn, Payton cannot be traded because he was signed after not being signed - in essence making his contract no-trade. According to Hahn all the Knicks can do is waive him if they go that route.

2.) if you intend to trade a 2021 first-rounder, make it the Knicks pick and not the Mavs.

Or you can just blanket say you will trade the worst of the 2 picks

Honestly I want to keep both. Going to be a deep class and there is a possibility both could be high especially with the new lottery rules
martin
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1/31/2021  5:50 PM
StarksEwing1 wrote:
martin wrote:
fwk00 wrote:Two FYIs when discussing trades.

1.) According to Hahn, Payton cannot be traded because he was signed after not being signed - in essence making his contract no-trade. According to Hahn all the Knicks can do is waive him if they go that route.

2.) if you intend to trade a 2021 first-rounder, make it the Knicks pick and not the Mavs.

Or you can just blanket say you will trade the worst of the 2 picks

Honestly I want to keep both. Going to be a deep class and there is a possibility both could be high especially with the new lottery rules

Same

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1/31/2021  5:52 PM    LAST EDITED: 1/31/2021  5:53 PM
martin wrote:
StarksEwing1 wrote:
martin wrote:
fwk00 wrote:Two FYIs when discussing trades.

1.) According to Hahn, Payton cannot be traded because he was signed after not being signed - in essence making his contract no-trade. According to Hahn all the Knicks can do is waive him if they go that route.

2.) if you intend to trade a 2021 first-rounder, make it the Knicks pick and not the Mavs.

Or you can just blanket say you will trade the worst of the 2 picks

Honestly I want to keep both. Going to be a deep class and there is a possibility both could be high especially with the new lottery rules

Same

Yeah I’m a firm believer in not only building through the draft unless you get a no brainer deal but also because those rookie deals are an asset in a salary cap league
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1/31/2021  6:21 PM
This last draft we had two picks -- one is tbd but the other is in (premature) ROY chatter. In other words having more than one increases the odds off hitting paydirt/not striking out. And still the most reasonable path to a secure rebuild to my mind.
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2/6/2021  8:02 AM
http://sportsnaut.com/new-york-knicks-rumors-lauri-markkanen-free-agency/amp/

They're saying Thibs is high on Markkanen. Also mentions interest around the league in trading for Randle. Links provided.

We would have to get a good deal for Randle. We did well on the Morris trade. Might do even better with Randle.

Markkanen concerns me. His injury history. We dodged a bullet with KP. The FO could be stepping right back in front of one, with Markkanen.

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2/6/2021  8:21 AM
Id trade Randle for Lonzo. Doesnt work in the trade checker though.
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2/6/2021  8:38 AM
http://hoopshabit.com/2021/02/01/knicks-julius-randle-bradley-beal-trade/amp/

This article proposes 4 1st rounders plus Randle, Frank, Knox, Bullock, for Beal.

Seems steep, even for Beal. Id offer 3, the way Randle is playing.

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2/6/2021  8:44 AM    LAST EDITED: 2/6/2021  8:45 AM
http://heavy.com/sports/boston-celtics/trade-julius-randle-knicks/amp/

Here's another article suggesting that Randle would be a great fit in Boston. Dont know if Rose would trade Randle to a division rival.

Dont know who Rose would want on the Celts, who they would be willing to part with. Guessing it would be mostly about picks.

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2/6/2021  9:28 AM
GustavBahler wrote:http://heavy.com/sports/boston-celtics/trade-julius-randle-knicks/amp/

Here's another article suggesting that Randle would be a great fit in Boston. Dont know if Rose would trade Randle to a division rival.

Dont know who Rose would want on the Celts, who they would be willing to part with. Guessing it would be mostly about picks.

Not sure how this trade will work with just picks. The knicks are already more than 10M below the minimum salary threshold, if the celtics absorbe Randle what will happem?

Randle has finally emerged as a knick starting PF making it easy for fans to forget Porzingis. The knicks have finally found an answer for the starting PF i would rather anoint him as untouchable. Unless behind the scenes Thibs and the coaching staff have seen enough of Obi to know that he can match what Randle is doing now.

If that is the case i can consider trading randle only if we get Jaylen brown and if they are generous throw prichard also. Maybe we can send a 1st rounder with Randle, the draft after the cade draft.

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2/6/2021  9:42 AM
GustavBahler wrote:http://hoopshabit.com/2021/02/01/knicks-julius-randle-bradley-beal-trade/amp/

This article proposes 4 1st rounders plus Randle, Frank, Knox, Bullock, for Beal.

Seems steep, even for Beal. Id offer 3, the way Randle is playing.

You only trade 3 first rounders for a player that elevates your team into serious championship contention, or at least makes you a virtual lock to make conference finals. The Knicks with Beal will not be there, not even close.

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2/6/2021  9:44 AM    LAST EDITED: 2/6/2021  9:52 AM
ESOMKnicks wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:http://hoopshabit.com/2021/02/01/knicks-julius-randle-bradley-beal-trade/amp/

This article proposes 4 1st rounders plus Randle, Frank, Knox, Bullock, for Beal.

Seems steep, even for Beal. Id offer 3, the way Randle is playing.

You only trade 3 first rounders for a player that elevates your team into serious championship contention, or at least makes you a virtual lock to make conference finals. The Knicks with Beal will not be there, not even close.

Agreed. Beal is not that guy. This Knicks FO isnt trading multiple valuable picks/players unless they are getting an elite player who will elevate the team to contention. Beal while talented is not that guy. Similar to The Melo situation
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2/6/2021  10:27 AM
Nola don’t want Randle. They give him up. They have Zion.
Read all kinds of trade rumor garbage. ROcket site had a “suggestion” trade for Dipo: RJ Barrett on of our no. 1 picks this year.
Ths for a pending free agent. We kill our cap, and give up RJ and potentially another major asset? As fan I think “I came this far why give up on RJ who is 7 years younger than dipo and could be a better player? Dipo and Randle is not a condensing pair.
As for a massive haul for Beal one assumes we become a thin roster. We have the best player which is nice but I can only relate this to the Melo trade. We got a great player in return but.............
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2/6/2021  10:33 AM
Honestly I’m fine with standing pat. Maybe a small deal for another shooter but nothing crazy. In regards to Randle we should also stand pat. Unless some team offers in an insane return that we can’t turn down then no. Also I don’t think we have to rush to resign him either. He does Theoretically have another Year in his contract so no rush
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2/6/2021  11:57 AM
Jimbo5 wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:http://heavy.com/sports/boston-celtics/trade-julius-randle-knicks/amp/

Here's another article suggesting that Randle would be a great fit in Boston. Dont know if Rose would trade Randle to a division rival.

Dont know who Rose would want on the Celts, who they would be willing to part with. Guessing it would be mostly about picks.

Randle has finally emerged as a knick starting PF making it easy for fans to forget Porzingis. The knicks have finally found an answer for the starting PF i would rather anoint him as untouchable. Unless behind the scenes Thibs and the coaching staff have seen enough of Obi to know that he can match what Randle is doing now.

If that is the case i can consider trading randle only if we get Jaylen brown and if they are generous throw prichard also. Maybe we can send a 1st rounder with Randle, the draft after the cade draft.

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I don't understand why fans on this site are so quick to trade Randle.

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2/6/2021  2:27 PM
StarksEwing1 wrote:Honestly I’m fine with standing pat. Maybe a small deal for another shooter but nothing crazy. In regards to Randle we should also stand pat. Unless some team offers in an insane return that we can’t turn down then no. Also I don’t think we have to rush to resign him either. He does Theoretically have another Year in his contract so no rush

Yeah, there's no need to rush into anything now. But you still need to contemplate what you're going to do with Randle in the future. Max him? Trade him and replace him with Obi? Randle is having a career year and he's going to get a max deal if he continues into next season. Let's be real....this team is likely a .500 team if Randle is your best player. It might not be worth building around him.

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2/6/2021  2:40 PM
BigDaddyG wrote:
StarksEwing1 wrote:Honestly I’m fine with standing pat. Maybe a small deal for another shooter but nothing crazy. In regards to Randle we should also stand pat. Unless some team offers in an insane return that we can’t turn down then no. Also I don’t think we have to rush to resign him either. He does Theoretically have another Year in his contract so no rush

Yeah, there's no need to rush into anything now. But you still need to contemplate what you're going to do with Randle in the future. Max him? Trade him and replace him with Obi? Randle is having a career year and he's going to get a max deal if he continues into next season. Let's be real....this team is likely a .500 team if Randle is your best player. It might not be worth building around him.

Absolutely. Although I don’t think they need to make an immediate decision right now with the benefit of having him under contract next year too. But yeah I agree after the season they need to start talking about it seriously
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2/6/2021  3:58 PM
GustavBahler wrote:Id trade Randle for Lonzo. Doesnt work in the trade checker though.

Why?? This makes no sense. Lonzo has been crap discounting the past few games and is a RFA? Why would you want to pay him when he is so unproven. Also, I’d want back much more than Lonzo for Randle. It’d have to be their pick this year and mebbe Nickell Walker or something. Besides they got Zion.

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2/6/2021  7:35 PM    LAST EDITED: 2/6/2021  7:37 PM
The front office should make a calculated risk. At this point the image of the knicks around the league has improved, they are starting to be respectable. Maybe if they are set on getting Oladipo they should just take a chance trying to sign him in the offseason.

Maybe a more realistic move is to trade for a smaller piece, i do like to take a chance on Monk. Or a bigger trade if they feel Lonzo will pair well with IQ in the pg rotation maybe a package of frank, knox and a 2022 first round can make that work.

If the knicks continue to improve, i can finally see free agents looking seriously at the knicks as an appealing landing spot. I would rather hold on to the existing young core and a smaller piece or two by the trade deadline and hope for a big splash in the offseason with free agency. Hopefully we can have 1 top 5 pick in next years draft.

Its nice to look back two years ago when the knicks traded KP alot of us thought it was the end of the world, at least now we can start seeing the light at the end of the tunnel.

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2/7/2021  3:23 AM
I want a stretch PF that plays D. Someone who would rebound with the best of them. I want him to be able to create his own shot at an elite level, I am talking unstoppable one on one. Oh and he has got to be a passer too when the double comes, I want more than 5 assists per so that I could run my offense through him for stretches of the game. Also I want him to be a mature person, someone who can be a leader and show by example. That's who I want. His name is Julius Randle.
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