knicks1248 wrote:

MS wrote:If we give up anything to get Paul, this front office possesses the same incompetence as its predecessors.

I would much rather give Dragic a big one year deal or give up a future pick for a Kyle Lowery type if we are looking for a stabilizer.

Knicks should be focusing their attention on the draft and locking in real hard working role players that can play multiple positions to reasonable deals.
Now is the time to do that while teams have limited cap mobility. Revisit free agency next summer with another lottery pick in hand that can be used in a trade. We can suffer through a shortened season with no fans one more year. Just be patient.

See Mike Conley, Paul doesn’t have two more years at an Allstar level.

LOL...Revisit FA NEXT yr after another Lottery season..You mean like when Mills had 70 mill and had to over pay for role players after another lottery season.

You will surely pay some 2nd tier or 3rd tier player a boat load of money with the Cap space you think you'll be saving by not acquiring CP.

You got 8 current players on lottery contracts and 7 of them are well below avg NBA players, you want the knicks to focus on one of the weakest drafts in the last 10 yrs, add 3 more below avg players, then do what, fill the other 4 spots with veteran role players

Dude you must like the revolving door we have for coaches, players and presidents, because those are the results after lottery seasons.

Just be patient....... we've only missed the playoffs 7 straight season, in that time span, 3 different presidents, 4 head coaches, and 100 different players...OOOOKAY

Paul is a nice player - he's just old, and old things break down.

Before I take Paul on and his deal, I might prefer giving FVV $80-130M for four years - because chances are he'll be viable and producing at similar levels for those four years, given his age today.

CP is a diminishing asset with a contract that might well crush OKC.

I'm happy to take him, like I think others are, but it's a salary dump and we have to get picks or something else of value. If CP performs and leads us to the playoffs, that's gravy but not expected!

Being patient doesn’t mean executing a strategy on hope. Like let’s hire a guy that’s an assistant coach with limited head coaching skills and no development background that can’t really coach, because he is cool with players...

Let’s not fire Steve Mills and allow a guy with no real basketball mind to make free agent signings.

Had we taken on contracts like Iggy last season it would have been worth multiple picks. If we flipped Morris for Kuzma and Green we would have had an asset to package to move up in the draft and get a better player.

Not rushing isn’t a stupid move like KP for DSJR is the right move every time. It’s not our fault we choose Frank over Mitchell or Knox over Bridges, Alexander or Porter.

Implement a ****ing system, stick with a coach, develop players, don’t sign 4 power forwards to ridiculous contracts.

So we trade Knox for CP3 and he gets injured. Then what.

Best thing we can do is draft right this year and have another selection next season lower in the draft to trade for a star. Then maybe we can convince a real free agent to sign here.

knicks1248 wrote:

MS wrote:If we give up anything to get Paul, this front office possesses the same incompetence as its predecessors.

I would much rather give Dragic a big one year deal or give up a future pick for a Kyle Lowery type if we are looking for a stabilizer.

Knicks should be focusing their attention on the draft and locking in real hard working role players that can play multiple positions to reasonable deals.
Now is the time to do that while teams have limited cap mobility. Revisit free agency next summer with another lottery pick in hand that can be used in a trade. We can suffer through a shortened season with no fans one more year. Just be patient.

See Mike Conley, Paul doesn’t have two more years at an Allstar level.

LOL...Revisit FA NEXT yr after another Lottery season..You mean like when Mills had 70 mill and had to over pay for role players after another lottery season.

You will surely pay some 2nd tier or 3rd tier player a boat load of money with the Cap space you think you'll be saving by not acquiring CP.

You got 8 current players on lottery contracts and 7 of them are well below avg NBA players, you want the knicks to focus on one of the weakest drafts in the last 10 yrs, add 3 more below avg players, then do what, fill the other 4 spots with veteran role players

Dude you must like the revolving door we have for coaches, players and presidents, because those are the results after lottery seasons.

Just be patient....... we've only missed the playoffs 7 straight season, in that time span, 3 different presidents, 4 head coaches, and 100 different players...OOOOKAY

You are absolutely correct -- no more patience -- trade picks and young players for expensive aging vets. It worked before, with McDyess, Curry, Marbury, Bargiani, Melo even...yup, that's the template for us.

Philc1 wrote:

KnickDanger wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

MS wrote:If we give up anything to get Paul, this front office possesses the same incompetence as its predecessors.

I would much rather give Dragic a big one year deal or give up a future pick for a Kyle Lowery type if we are looking for a stabilizer.

Knicks should be focusing their attention on the draft and locking in real hard working role players that can play multiple positions to reasonable deals.
Now is the time to do that while teams have limited cap mobility. Revisit free agency next summer with another lottery pick in hand that can be used in a trade. We can suffer through a shortened season with no fans one more year. Just be patient.

See Mike Conley, Paul doesn’t have two more years at an Allstar level.

LOL...Revisit FA NEXT yr after another Lottery season..You mean like when Mills had 70 mill and had to over pay for role players after another lottery season.

You will surely pay some 2nd tier or 3rd tier player a boat load of money with the Cap space you think you'll be saving by not acquiring CP.

You got 8 current players on lottery contracts and 7 of them are well below avg NBA players, you want the knicks to focus on one of the weakest drafts in the last 10 yrs, add 3 more below avg players, then do what, fill the other 4 spots with veteran role players

Dude you must like the revolving door we have for coaches, players and presidents, because those are the results after lottery seasons.

Just be patient....... we've only missed the playoffs 7 straight season, in that time span, 3 different presidents, 4 head coaches, and 100 different players...OOOOKAY

You are absolutely correct -- no more patience -- trade picks and young players for expensive aging vets. It worked before, with McDyess, Curry, Marbury, Bargiani, Melo even...yup, that's the template for us.

Paul is not the same as McDyess, Marbury or Francis. For starters he’s actually a winning player and his contract is not that bad it’s a 2 years one of which will be a shortened 50 game season

Its all good until the injuries and then its ugly. Paul previous to his vegan lifestyle had intermittent time off the court. When he was playing with Harden they were deadly.
One good season in OKC and look at some of you and its “Savior time” that he will not only change the narrative culture by winning, but he’ll mentor it too.
If we don’t make the playoffs and he misses 25% of his games it will be seen as “Same old knicks”.
IF whom we trade him for flourishes it will look bad.
We lose cap space in year two, it will look bad.
IT really depends on the asking price. We traded Mark Jax but we did really well anyway.
MCdyess was a young player still and it was the other leg that blew out. IT sucked but there was some logic.
Starbury was still young physically. Francis compoundingly awful given Reezy’s long career.

Philc1 wrote:

KnickDanger wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

MS wrote:If we give up anything to get Paul, this front office possesses the same incompetence as its predecessors.

I would much rather give Dragic a big one year deal or give up a future pick for a Kyle Lowery type if we are looking for a stabilizer.

Knicks should be focusing their attention on the draft and locking in real hard working role players that can play multiple positions to reasonable deals.
Now is the time to do that while teams have limited cap mobility. Revisit free agency next summer with another lottery pick in hand that can be used in a trade. We can suffer through a shortened season with no fans one more year. Just be patient.

See Mike Conley, Paul doesn’t have two more years at an Allstar level.

LOL...Revisit FA NEXT yr after another Lottery season..You mean like when Mills had 70 mill and had to over pay for role players after another lottery season.

You will surely pay some 2nd tier or 3rd tier player a boat load of money with the Cap space you think you'll be saving by not acquiring CP.

You got 8 current players on lottery contracts and 7 of them are well below avg NBA players, you want the knicks to focus on one of the weakest drafts in the last 10 yrs, add 3 more below avg players, then do what, fill the other 4 spots with veteran role players

Dude you must like the revolving door we have for coaches, players and presidents, because those are the results after lottery seasons.

Just be patient....... we've only missed the playoffs 7 straight season, in that time span, 3 different presidents, 4 head coaches, and 100 different players...OOOOKAY

You are absolutely correct -- no more patience -- trade picks and young players for expensive aging vets. It worked before, with McDyess, Curry, Marbury, Bargiani, Melo even...yup, that's the template for us.

Paul is not the same as McDyess, Marbury or Francis. For starters he’s actually a winning player and his contract is not that bad it’s a 2 years one of which will be a shortened 50 game season

I don't intend to compare the players -- I compare the mindset. Buying high (i.e. giving up 1st round picks) for cap stringing vets. We don't know how CP3 would play out but giving up anything and taking on that big cap hit seems like the kind of s#!t we always did and got us to where we've been.

KnickDanger wrote:

Philc1 wrote:

KnickDanger wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

MS wrote:If we give up anything to get Paul, this front office possesses the same incompetence as its predecessors.

I would much rather give Dragic a big one year deal or give up a future pick for a Kyle Lowery type if we are looking for a stabilizer.

Knicks should be focusing their attention on the draft and locking in real hard working role players that can play multiple positions to reasonable deals.
Now is the time to do that while teams have limited cap mobility. Revisit free agency next summer with another lottery pick in hand that can be used in a trade. We can suffer through a shortened season with no fans one more year. Just be patient.

See Mike Conley, Paul doesn’t have two more years at an Allstar level.

LOL...Revisit FA NEXT yr after another Lottery season..You mean like when Mills had 70 mill and had to over pay for role players after another lottery season.

You will surely pay some 2nd tier or 3rd tier player a boat load of money with the Cap space you think you'll be saving by not acquiring CP.

You got 8 current players on lottery contracts and 7 of them are well below avg NBA players, you want the knicks to focus on one of the weakest drafts in the last 10 yrs, add 3 more below avg players, then do what, fill the other 4 spots with veteran role players

Dude you must like the revolving door we have for coaches, players and presidents, because those are the results after lottery seasons.

Just be patient....... we've only missed the playoffs 7 straight season, in that time span, 3 different presidents, 4 head coaches, and 100 different players...OOOOKAY

You are absolutely correct -- no more patience -- trade picks and young players for expensive aging vets. It worked before, with McDyess, Curry, Marbury, Bargiani, Melo even...yup, that's the template for us.

Paul is not the same as McDyess, Marbury or Francis. For starters he’s actually a winning player and his contract is not that bad it’s a 2 years one of which will be a shortened 50 game season

I don't intend to compare the players -- I compare the mindset. Buying high (i.e. giving up 1st round picks) for cap stringing vets. We don't know how CP3 would play out but giving up anything and taking on that big cap hit seems like the kind of s#!t we always did and got us to where we've been.

Define “anything”

And Paul only has 2 years left on his deal. The years are what’s important not the money

fwk00 wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

“I’ve been told by a league source that Chris Paul prefers his next basketball home to be either in L.A. or N.Y. (Los Angeles is where he resides full time) and that has created some modicum of leverage in the ongoing negotiations between the sides,” Knicks Film School’s Jonathan Macri wrote in his newsletter.

“I’m also told that there is a deal on the table that is comfortable from Sam Presti’s perspective, and the ball is in Leon Rose’s court.”

Leon Rose, the new President of Basketball Operations of the Knicks, was Chris Paul’s former agent. There is a familiarity there, and CP3 would have the same kind of veteran role that he had in OKC.

[b]With the Lakers, CP3 can play with his friend LeBron James and contend for a ring. The Lakers deal would be tricky though, especially because of Paul’s hefty contract. However, because the Lakers are in the market for a solid point-guard(now that Rajon Rondo has opted out his contract), the Lakers could splurge on CP3 and trade out a few assets

Let's put one foot in front of the other. We don't know whose deal is "on the table". It could be Lakers, Clippers, whoever. The ball being in Rose's court to match/beat whatever that deal is.

We never win that game. Our job is not to make Sam Presti happy. He needs to make *US* happy.

Reports from multiple media sources are saying it’s OKC that proposed a trade to the knicks

fwk00 wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

“I’ve been told by a league source that Chris Paul prefers his next basketball home to be either in L.A. or N.Y. (Los Angeles is where he resides full time) and that has created some modicum of leverage in the ongoing negotiations between the sides,” Knicks Film School’s Jonathan Macri wrote in his newsletter.

“I’m also told that there is a deal on the table that is comfortable from Sam Presti’s perspective, and the ball is in Leon Rose’s court.”

Leon Rose, the new President of Basketball Operations of the Knicks, was Chris Paul’s former agent. There is a familiarity there, and CP3 would have the same kind of veteran role that he had in OKC.

[b]With the Lakers, CP3 can play with his friend LeBron James and contend for a ring. The Lakers deal would be tricky though, especially because of Paul’s hefty contract. However, because the Lakers are in the market for a solid point-guard(now that Rajon Rondo has opted out his contract), the Lakers could splurge on CP3 and trade out a few assets

Let's put one foot in front of the other. We don't know whose deal is "on the table". It could be Lakers, Clippers, whoever. The ball being in Rose's court to match/beat whatever that deal is.

We never win that game. Our job is not to make Sam Presti happy. He needs to make *US* happy.

The clippers had CP for how many yrs??? OKC already had Paul George, neither worked out well for each team, so I'm not putting much stock in that.

The Lakers don't have enough assets or expiring contracts, they already sent those to N O for A.D

So who's left?

What do you guys think about this?

EnySpree wrote:I'm sorry if I'm repeating a point but I just finished talking with some guys that actual want to trade for cp3 and hortford just to get their draft picks. So they will basically have cp3, Hortford and a bunch of draft picks to play with Mitch, RJ and Knox....

What do you guys think about this?