GustavBahler wrote:

Uptown wrote:

Uptown wrote:Mike Francesa is spot on regarding phil....

phil says, "I didn't come here to win a championship."

Francesa response "What the hell did you come here for? for 50 million bucks, you've lost 166 games in 3 years! You sure didn't come here to win!"

Not the quote you want to hear at a time like this. If its about mainly changing the culture, declaring that you didn't come here to win championships sure doesn't help.

How the hell is that going to help attract top free agents? Who would want to come play for a team whose team president says that winning a ring isnt a priority? Judging by some of the current and former elite players who have tweeted support for Melo (not to mention KP) thats not going to be easy.

We need to wipe the slate clean...Melo needs to go, but so does phil and Hornacek. The same way phil is pushing Melo out of the door, Dolan should do to phil what he did to Isiah, force him to coach the team. As Francesa said, "Give him a whistle or send him on his way!"

Gudris wrote:

holfresh wrote:It's crazy that he endorses Noah and Rose and dumps on Melo...Amazing

He needs coachable players, not big ego stars who are resisting, look at spurs, no big ego players there, they team EGO not personal

Lol, what? Rose doesn't have an ego? Kobe, Shaq, Jordan, Pippen, Rodman didn't have egos?

GustavBahler wrote:

Uptown wrote:

Uptown wrote:Mike Francesa is spot on regarding phil....

phil says, "I didn't come here to win a championship."

Francesa response "What the hell did you come here for? for 50 million bucks, you've lost 166 games in 3 years! You sure didn't come here to win!"

Not the quote you want to hear at a time like this. If its about mainly changing the culture, declaring that you didn't come here to win championships sure doesn't help.

How the hell is that going to help attract top free agents? Who would want to come play for a team whose team president says that winning a ring isnt a priority? Judging by some of the current and former elite players who have tweeted support for Melo (not to mention KP) thats not going to be easy.

When did Phil say he didn't want to win? He never said that at all.

What he was baited into saying is that he may not be here when the team finally does win something beyond playoff games. That's just an honest assessment that would apply to anyone in his position. He gave the Bulls as an example. Who can guarantee a ring? Who?

And what the hell does this have to do with FAs. Phil isn't worried about it, why should you be? There's nothing in the new CBA that's going to encourage FAs to move and when they don't you're going to blame Phil?

Just because these NY jock A-holes yell everything they say as if they're right doesn't mean there's a brain behind what they're saying. Their ratings depend on spreading misinformation and hate and misfortune for those who get in their sights.

Phil didn't "blame" Melo - but he was honest and said its time to part ways. It's also possible that Melo has a learning disability in that he misses information being communicated to him.When he forgets his responsibility for accountability to the team, there's something amiss. If Phil did approach Melo (and I think this is on the record) to say that what he said was being misinterpreted then Melo can't claim, "I don't know what's going on".

In fact this entire bogus meme that the team doesn't know what's going on is idiotic. What's going on is you play basketball to win. You play the way the coaches teach you to. You earn your money.

What can Phil add to that?

Uptown wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

Uptown wrote:

Uptown wrote:Mike Francesa is spot on regarding phil....

phil says, "I didn't come here to win a championship."

Francesa response "What the hell did you come here for? for 50 million bucks, you've lost 166 games in 3 years! You sure didn't come here to win!"

Not the quote you want to hear at a time like this. If its about mainly changing the culture, declaring that you didn't come here to win championships sure doesn't help.

How the hell is that going to help attract top free agents? Who would want to come play for a team whose team president says that winning a ring isnt a priority? Judging by some of the current and former elite players who have tweeted support for Melo (not to mention KP) thats not going to be easy.

We need to wipe the slate clean...Melo needs to go, but so does phil and Hornacek. The same way phil is pushing Melo out of the door, Dolan should do to phil what he did to Isiah, force him to coach the team. As Francesa said, "Give him a whistle or send him on his way!"

LOL Dolan and Phil just committed to 2 more years. Why even waste energy on the Phil must go and Dolan just make him coach line of thought?

fwk00 wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

Uptown wrote:

Uptown wrote:Mike Francesa is spot on regarding phil....

phil says, "I didn't come here to win a championship."

Francesa response "What the hell did you come here for? for 50 million bucks, you've lost 166 games in 3 years! You sure didn't come here to win!"

Not the quote you want to hear at a time like this. If its about mainly changing the culture, declaring that you didn't come here to win championships sure doesn't help.

How the hell is that going to help attract top free agents? Who would want to come play for a team whose team president says that winning a ring isnt a priority? Judging by some of the current and former elite players who have tweeted support for Melo (not to mention KP) thats not going to be easy.

When did Phil say he didn't want to win? He never said that at all.

What he was baited into saying is that he may not be here when the team finally does win something beyond playoff games. That's just an honest assessment that would apply to anyone in his position. He gave the Bulls as an example. Who can guarantee a ring? Who?

And what the hell does this have to do with FAs. Phil isn't worried about it, why should you be? There's nothing in the new CBA that's going to encourage FAs to move and when they don't you're going to blame Phil?

Just because these NY jock A-holes yell everything they say as if they're right doesn't mean there's a brain behind what they're saying. Their ratings depend on spreading misinformation and hate and misfortune for those who get in their sights.

Phil didn't "blame" Melo - but he was honest and said its time to part ways. It's also possible that Melo has a learning disability in that he misses information being communicated to him.When he forgets his responsibility for accountability to the team, there's something amiss. If Phil did approach Melo (and I think this is on the record) to say that what he said was being misinterpreted then Melo can't claim, "I don't know what's going on".

In fact this entire bogus meme that the team doesn't know what's going on is idiotic. What's going on is you play basketball to win. You play the way the coaches teach you to. You earn your money.

What can Phil add to that?

The bogus meme that you have continuously been peddling is that its all Melo's fault. Melo didnt shove the Triangle down everyone's throat. I guarantee if Phil just let his coaches coach whatever the **** they want we wouldnt be racking up 50 plus loss seasons.

Why would a top free agent want to play for a team where the president never seems to pass up an opportunity to criticize his star player? No other team president does that, hell not even GMs.

Idiotic is always finding fault everywhere else but in the direction of the man who has put the team together.

nixluva wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

nixluva wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

Uptown wrote:

Uptown wrote:Mike Francesa is spot on regarding phil....

phil says, "I didn't come here to win a championship."

Francesa response "What the hell did you come here for? for 50 million bucks, you've lost 166 games in 3 years! You sure didn't come here to win!"

Not the quote you want to hear at a time like this. If its about mainly changing the culture, declaring that you didn't come here to win championships sure doesn't help.

How the hell is that going to help attract top free agents? Who would want to come play for a team whose team president says that winning a ring isnt a priority? Judging by some of the current and former elite players who have tweeted support for Melo (not to mention KP) thats not going to be easy.

The hyperbole is off the chain with some fans and a lot of the Media regarding Phil. This isn't the worst situation this franchise has been in. The Knicks have some promising talent and picks to add more. They aren't capped out either. Phil and his coaches are in sync and the younger players showed positive signs to close the season. All the overreacting is BS.

I would argue that continually blowing a team president, who still hasnt made the playoffs since he got here 3 years ago is BS. Lets see some fing wins, lets see a playoff appearance. Until then its all hot air.

Blowing Phil??? Very juvenile comment. Making the playoffs is the most important thing? I'd say building something sustainable is more important. How lasting was the 54 win team that made the playoffs? That didn't mean a damned thing in the long run.

I support what Phil is trying to do. His Basketball Principles are correct and maybe now we can have a team that truly lives up to them.

Juvenile is treating Phil like a deity. Until he actually puts a product on tne floor worth watching, its all talk, 3 years of talk. Ive paid Phil my share of compliments over the years, defended him on this board many times, but it isnt the NY Phil Jacksons, its the New York Knicks. and their record under his leadership has been abysmal. Until I see an upwards trajectory, its all talk.

buddapaw wrote:Even with cap space, top tier stars will never come here. If Phil didn't like the packages he was offered before, wait until he sees the offers he will get next time. He has to sell low because the world knows he wants to get rid of Melo. That's why I am pissed about his antics because he is undercutting the value of Melo, which is ****ing stupid. Sales 101. He put the Knicks in a even lower position of weakness in trading melo. I would lowball him all day. Jeff never ran the triangle, how the holy hell he is supposed to coach a system that he has no experience with? That's why they were a little better under Fisher

If you watched the press conference Phil talked about Red Holzman always saying, "It's not rocket science." It's about doing the right thing on the court. Movement, passing, taking the correct shot. When that stuff is formalized it becomes a system, call it what you want.

Hornacek, in his presser, said the Knicks didn't play defense and the team could use one or two who know how so that it becomes contagious. Is that hard to understand? Is there an excuse that Phil doesn't talk to the press that changes that?

But, but, but - MELO "WANTS TO WIN!!!!!!!"

I'm not a basketball coach but I think if you score more points and hold the opposition to fewer - you, well WIN. How does refusing to play for a coach and undermining what he's trying to accomplish qualify Melo to say, "I WANT TO WIN, THAT'S ALL."