nixluva wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

arkrud wrote:

nixluva wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

arkrud wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

arkrud wrote:

Papabear wrote:

nixluva wrote:

arkrud wrote:It's mind bugging that so many people honestly think that president of United States and even more Congress have any control of our society.
They cannot change sht and this is the best thing which happening to this country.
We have a society which regulates itself by natural lows on nature and human psychology.
This is why we and countries selected the same way of Republican governance in the framework of market economy are progressing so quickly.
And the rest of the world who decided to go with various communist/religions/nationalistic dictatorship with government planned economy are descending into Mad Max style wastelands.
So we can have big a..ss Khardasian lady as president and bunch of average crackheads in Congress but everything will still go exactly the way it goes.

I don't think you realize that this country fought a bloody Civil War to begin to bring about a just society and it still took another 100 years of violence and oppression and the use of National Guard Troops to force integration. Still yet in the South things have not fully integrated so much so that School Proms in many areas were still segregated as recently as last year. There was no NATURAL REGULATION. People DIED in order to bring about a better society in this country.

Papabear Says

I had a cousin in the early 1980's was married to a white girl in the south. I went down to visit him and my family and one day we went to a supermarket and my cousin was a very open guy. In the store he kept on saying come on baby what do you want. The store was 99% white and they kept stiring at him and his wife. One night some one came and knocked on his door and asked him to step outside and when he did they blew him away. Shot him dead just because he was married to a white woman. (so sad) He had a nice car, good job and he saw no color.

Sad story it is...
Not sure how all Presidents and Congressmen of US can help this stuff not to happen.
They cannot do anything about it as they cannot change the human nature.
No one but African Americans themselves can solve the problems they have and no one else will.
If you still believe that government of any kind will come and help you, you are very delusional.
Even God will not help you if you will not help yourself.

There are certain things African Americans should do for themselves. And there are certain things that all races should be standing for as human beings in support of the human race.

What African Americans would like is for Governors & Congress to hold people accountable for that very nature (with punishments that fit the crimes). Just like the enforcing of video cameras on police and evolving with that type of accountability. Holding Chief Of Police all the way down accountable given the power police have. All Americans should demand it because its logical and just.

In North Carolina research and analysis were done on how, when, where African Americans voted. Then Laws were put in place to limit the African American vote. First, the fact that this was even attempted should be eye opening an goes against everything that a certain demographic of people have been claiming doesn't happen anymore in this age. Second, all Americans should be appalled and if all Americans were to be equally outraged and demand accountability for it there would be a higher probability of preventing theses type of issues. But let me guess, African Americans brought this on themselves. African Americans should have just adapted to the new laws made. Doesn't effect whites or any other race so not an issue.

If you want inclusion then all Americans need to band together and fight for what is just. If not then might as well bring back segregation.

This yr Levar Allen a 17 yr old three sport student-athlete for Louisiana. Who made local news headlines for his athletic achievements, and never before hand in trouble with the law. He was charged with child pornography after exchanging sexting messages with his 16 yr old white girl friend. She started the act by sending him the first message. He acting as her boyfriend replied with his own. Her parents caught wind of his video and called the police. Is this an issue that African Americans and only African Americans should be looking to solve? In your eyes does the punishment fit the crime if you even want to call it a crime?

Levar Allen with this felony of child pornography attached to his name will lose his rights to

Vote
Traveling abroad
The right to bear arms or own guns
Jury service
Employment in certain fields
Public social benefits and housing
Parental benefits

You listed things which are available and provided to all Americans including African Americans.
If some violations of this lows and rights are commuted by officials or people this cases should be brought to court of low and public attention.
I think African Americans are biggest group to receive benefits you listed and they are awarded based on economic need not race or other stuff.
In fact all of this is not available in most of the countries of the world.
Nobody claimed that there are no issues and violations but the only way to deal with this is on case-by-case basis.

Can you elaborate on your first sentence?

That is what has been happening under the social media era. Which people are taking sides based on race rather then justice. And without social media African American would still be told racism doesn't exist anymore.

We are awarded the benefits from the America we helped create & make prosper, and helped fight in wars for to preserve, while being put at a disadvantage for over 400 yrs and counting. We wouldn't need these benefits today if we were treated as equals from 400 yrs ago.

I have no problem dealing with issues case by case. Just remember that when black on black homicide is used to justify police brutality etc.

Not to mention that it is a MYTH that Blacks are the biggest group to receive benefits!!!

Nationally, most of the people who receive benefits from the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program are white. According to 2013 data from the U.S. Department of Agriculture, which administers the program, 40.2 percent of SNAP recipients are white, 25.7 percent are black, 10.3 percent are Hispanic, 2.1 percent are Asian and 1.2 percent are Native American.

http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/6771938

Exactly what I meant - 11% of black population receives 25% of entitlements...
Because entitlements should and are warded based on need not race
And about public opinion... If African Americans unable to raze the issues in any public forums they need to get help.
There are a zilion of black celebs, actors, entertainers, reporters, professors, etc.
And notion that they cannot raze the issues of black communities in traditional and non-traditional media is laughable.
Stop crying and filling victimized people - start working and fighting.
I know it is hard but there is no other way. No one will going to help you if you will not start helping yourself. No one.

This isn't 1940--this is 2016 and the President of the U S the last 8 years is AA. I guarantee GUARANTEE people who feel racism is holding them back oppressing them or hindering their lives-- this rhetoric is falling on deaf ears. We are all the same and believe me no one cares about whining. The one thing that can be changed is to find people who help minorities rebuild infrastructure and triple down on thwarting drugs and crime. I think Trump is the guy who can help. Obama should've been the guy to do this he had two terms and if anything he went backwards

Like Trump both BRIGGS and arkrud have no idea what you're talking about!!! You both need to first go learn about how hundreds of years of institutional racism impacts African Americans in an adverse and insidious way that is so deeply imbedded in every crevice of this country's being that no President could by himself solve the problem.

Institutional Racism is like weeds in a garden that have deep roots. It's very difficult to completely get rid of them. If you just ignore it as if it's not there the weeds only get worse. It's gonna take a very comprehensive approach to fixing the problem. Blacks didn't create the problems they have! They had horrible things done TOO THEM which caused these problems. Hundreds of years of iintentionally depriving a people of education, terrorist violence, killing black leaders, destroying entire successful Black Communities out of hatred, spite and envy, removing financial resources, predatory lending, over policing and encarceration... The list goes on and on. Most of this is intentional but some is just baked into the cake.

Trump as president won't make things better! He doesn't even know the real reasons behind the problems to begin with so how can he fix anything??? You can't just drop in on a Black church and fully understand the issues impacting Black communities. BRIGGS, arkrud, neither of you know enough about this to understand why Trump and the Republican Party are not capable of helping to solve the problems in the African American community. I can tell by your statements that you guys don't fully appreciate the depth of the problem. I can help you to come to understand if you're really interested in learning.

nixluva wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

arkrud wrote:

nixluva wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

arkrud wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

arkrud wrote:

Papabear wrote:

nixluva wrote:

arkrud wrote:It's mind bugging that so many people honestly think that president of United States and even more Congress have any control of our society.
They cannot change sht and this is the best thing which happening to this country.
We have a society which regulates itself by natural lows on nature and human psychology.
This is why we and countries selected the same way of Republican governance in the framework of market economy are progressing so quickly.
And the rest of the world who decided to go with various communist/religions/nationalistic dictatorship with government planned economy are descending into Mad Max style wastelands.
So we can have big a..ss Khardasian lady as president and bunch of average crackheads in Congress but everything will still go exactly the way it goes.

I don't think you realize that this country fought a bloody Civil War to begin to bring about a just society and it still took another 100 years of violence and oppression and the use of National Guard Troops to force integration. Still yet in the South things have not fully integrated so much so that School Proms in many areas were still segregated as recently as last year. There was no NATURAL REGULATION. People DIED in order to bring about a better society in this country.

Papabear Says

I had a cousin in the early 1980's was married to a white girl in the south. I went down to visit him and my family and one day we went to a supermarket and my cousin was a very open guy. In the store he kept on saying come on baby what do you want. The store was 99% white and they kept stiring at him and his wife. One night some one came and knocked on his door and asked him to step outside and when he did they blew him away. Shot him dead just because he was married to a white woman. (so sad) He had a nice car, good job and he saw no color.

Sad story it is...
Not sure how all Presidents and Congressmen of US can help this stuff not to happen.
They cannot do anything about it as they cannot change the human nature.
No one but African Americans themselves can solve the problems they have and no one else will.
If you still believe that government of any kind will come and help you, you are very delusional.
Even God will not help you if you will not help yourself.

There are certain things African Americans should do for themselves. And there are certain things that all races should be standing for as human beings in support of the human race.

What African Americans would like is for Governors & Congress to hold people accountable for that very nature (with punishments that fit the crimes). Just like the enforcing of video cameras on police and evolving with that type of accountability. Holding Chief Of Police all the way down accountable given the power police have. All Americans should demand it because its logical and just.

In North Carolina research and analysis were done on how, when, where African Americans voted. Then Laws were put in place to limit the African American vote. First, the fact that this was even attempted should be eye opening an goes against everything that a certain demographic of people have been claiming doesn't happen anymore in this age. Second, all Americans should be appalled and if all Americans were to be equally outraged and demand accountability for it there would be a higher probability of preventing theses type of issues. But let me guess, African Americans brought this on themselves. African Americans should have just adapted to the new laws made. Doesn't effect whites or any other race so not an issue.

If you want inclusion then all Americans need to band together and fight for what is just. If not then might as well bring back segregation.

This yr Levar Allen a 17 yr old three sport student-athlete for Louisiana. Who made local news headlines for his athletic achievements, and never before hand in trouble with the law. He was charged with child pornography after exchanging sexting messages with his 16 yr old white girl friend. She started the act by sending him the first message. He acting as her boyfriend replied with his own. Her parents caught wind of his video and called the police. Is this an issue that African Americans and only African Americans should be looking to solve? In your eyes does the punishment fit the crime if you even want to call it a crime?

Levar Allen with this felony of child pornography attached to his name will lose his rights to

Vote
Traveling abroad
The right to bear arms or own guns
Jury service
Employment in certain fields
Public social benefits and housing
Parental benefits

You listed things which are available and provided to all Americans including African Americans.
If some violations of this lows and rights are commuted by officials or people this cases should be brought to court of low and public attention.
I think African Americans are biggest group to receive benefits you listed and they are awarded based on economic need not race or other stuff.
In fact all of this is not available in most of the countries of the world.
Nobody claimed that there are no issues and violations but the only way to deal with this is on case-by-case basis.

Can you elaborate on your first sentence?

That is what has been happening under the social media era. Which people are taking sides based on race rather then justice. And without social media African American would still be told racism doesn't exist anymore.

We are awarded the benefits from the America we helped create & make prosper, and helped fight in wars for to preserve, while being put at a disadvantage for over 400 yrs and counting. We wouldn't need these benefits today if we were treated as equals from 400 yrs ago.

I have no problem dealing with issues case by case. Just remember that when black on black homicide is used to justify police brutality etc.

Not to mention that it is a MYTH that Blacks are the biggest group to receive benefits!!!

Nationally, most of the people who receive benefits from the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program are white. According to 2013 data from the U.S. Department of Agriculture, which administers the program, 40.2 percent of SNAP recipients are white, 25.7 percent are black, 10.3 percent are Hispanic, 2.1 percent are Asian and 1.2 percent are Native American.

http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/6771938

Exactly what I meant - 11% of black population receives 25% of entitlements...
Because entitlements should and are warded based on need not race
And about public opinion... If African Americans unable to raze the issues in any public forums they need to get help.
There are a zilion of black celebs, actors, entertainers, reporters, professors, etc.
And notion that they cannot raze the issues of black communities in traditional and non-traditional media is laughable.
Stop crying and filling victimized people - start working and fighting.
I know it is hard but there is no other way. No one will going to help you if you will not start helping yourself. No one.

This isn't 1940--this is 2016 and the President of the U S the last 8 years is AA. I guarantee GUARANTEE people who feel racism is holding them back oppressing them or hindering their lives-- this rhetoric is falling on deaf ears. We are all the same and believe me no one cares about whining. The one thing that can be changed is to find people who help minorities rebuild infrastructure and triple down on thwarting drugs and crime. I think Trump is the guy who can help. Obama should've been the guy to do this he had two terms and if anything he went backwards

Like Trump both BRIGGS and arkrud have no idea what you're talking about!!! You both need to first go learn about how hundreds of years of institutional racism impacts African Americans in an adverse and insidious way that is so deeply imbedded in every crevice of this country's being that no President could by himself solve the problem.

Institutional Racism is like weeds in a garden that have deep roots. It's very difficult to completely get rid of them. If you just ignore it as if it's not there the weeds only get worse. It's gonna take a very comprehensive approach to fixing the problem. Blacks didn't create the problems they have! They had horrible things done TOO THEM which caused these problems. Hundreds of years of iintentionally depriving a people of education, terrorist violence, killing black leaders, destroying entire successful Black Communities out of hatred, spite and envy, removing financial resources, predatory lending, over policing and encarceration... The list goes on and on. Most of this is intentional but some is just baked into the cake.

Trump as president won't make things better! He doesn't even know the real reasons behind the problems to begin with so how can he fix anything??? You can't just drop in on a Black church and fully understand the issues impacting Black communities. BRIGGS, arkrud, neither of you know enough about this to understand why Trump and the Republican Party are not capable of helping to solve the problems in the African American community. I can tell by your statements that you guys don't fully appreciate the depth of the problem. I can help you to come to understand if you're really interested in learning.

arkrud wrote:

nixluva wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

arkrud wrote:

nixluva wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

arkrud wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

arkrud wrote:

Papabear wrote:

nixluva wrote:

arkrud wrote:It's mind bugging that so many people honestly think that president of United States and even more Congress have any control of our society.
They cannot change sht and this is the best thing which happening to this country.
We have a society which regulates itself by natural lows on nature and human psychology.
This is why we and countries selected the same way of Republican governance in the framework of market economy are progressing so quickly.
And the rest of the world who decided to go with various communist/religions/nationalistic dictatorship with government planned economy are descending into Mad Max style wastelands.
So we can have big a..ss Khardasian lady as president and bunch of average crackheads in Congress but everything will still go exactly the way it goes.

I don't think you realize that this country fought a bloody Civil War to begin to bring about a just society and it still took another 100 years of violence and oppression and the use of National Guard Troops to force integration. Still yet in the South things have not fully integrated so much so that School Proms in many areas were still segregated as recently as last year. There was no NATURAL REGULATION. People DIED in order to bring about a better society in this country.

Papabear Says

I had a cousin in the early 1980's was married to a white girl in the south. I went down to visit him and my family and one day we went to a supermarket and my cousin was a very open guy. In the store he kept on saying come on baby what do you want. The store was 99% white and they kept stiring at him and his wife. One night some one came and knocked on his door and asked him to step outside and when he did they blew him away. Shot him dead just because he was married to a white woman. (so sad) He had a nice car, good job and he saw no color.

Sad story it is...
Not sure how all Presidents and Congressmen of US can help this stuff not to happen.
They cannot do anything about it as they cannot change the human nature.
No one but African Americans themselves can solve the problems they have and no one else will.
If you still believe that government of any kind will come and help you, you are very delusional.
Even God will not help you if you will not help yourself.

There are certain things African Americans should do for themselves. And there are certain things that all races should be standing for as human beings in support of the human race.

What African Americans would like is for Governors & Congress to hold people accountable for that very nature (with punishments that fit the crimes). Just like the enforcing of video cameras on police and evolving with that type of accountability. Holding Chief Of Police all the way down accountable given the power police have. All Americans should demand it because its logical and just.

In North Carolina research and analysis were done on how, when, where African Americans voted. Then Laws were put in place to limit the African American vote. First, the fact that this was even attempted should be eye opening an goes against everything that a certain demographic of people have been claiming doesn't happen anymore in this age. Second, all Americans should be appalled and if all Americans were to be equally outraged and demand accountability for it there would be a higher probability of preventing theses type of issues. But let me guess, African Americans brought this on themselves. African Americans should have just adapted to the new laws made. Doesn't effect whites or any other race so not an issue.

If you want inclusion then all Americans need to band together and fight for what is just. If not then might as well bring back segregation.

This yr Levar Allen a 17 yr old three sport student-athlete for Louisiana. Who made local news headlines for his athletic achievements, and never before hand in trouble with the law. He was charged with child pornography after exchanging sexting messages with his 16 yr old white girl friend. She started the act by sending him the first message. He acting as her boyfriend replied with his own. Her parents caught wind of his video and called the police. Is this an issue that African Americans and only African Americans should be looking to solve? In your eyes does the punishment fit the crime if you even want to call it a crime?

Levar Allen with this felony of child pornography attached to his name will lose his rights to

Vote
Traveling abroad
The right to bear arms or own guns
Jury service
Employment in certain fields
Public social benefits and housing
Parental benefits

You listed things which are available and provided to all Americans including African Americans.
If some violations of this lows and rights are commuted by officials or people this cases should be brought to court of low and public attention.
I think African Americans are biggest group to receive benefits you listed and they are awarded based on economic need not race or other stuff.
In fact all of this is not available in most of the countries of the world.
Nobody claimed that there are no issues and violations but the only way to deal with this is on case-by-case basis.

Can you elaborate on your first sentence?

That is what has been happening under the social media era. Which people are taking sides based on race rather then justice. And without social media African American would still be told racism doesn't exist anymore.

We are awarded the benefits from the America we helped create & make prosper, and helped fight in wars for to preserve, while being put at a disadvantage for over 400 yrs and counting. We wouldn't need these benefits today if we were treated as equals from 400 yrs ago.

I have no problem dealing with issues case by case. Just remember that when black on black homicide is used to justify police brutality etc.

Not to mention that it is a MYTH that Blacks are the biggest group to receive benefits!!!

Nationally, most of the people who receive benefits from the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program are white. According to 2013 data from the U.S. Department of Agriculture, which administers the program, 40.2 percent of SNAP recipients are white, 25.7 percent are black, 10.3 percent are Hispanic, 2.1 percent are Asian and 1.2 percent are Native American.

http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/6771938

Exactly what I meant - 11% of black population receives 25% of entitlements...
Because entitlements should and are warded based on need not race
And about public opinion... If African Americans unable to raze the issues in any public forums they need to get help.
There are a zilion of black celebs, actors, entertainers, reporters, professors, etc.
And notion that they cannot raze the issues of black communities in traditional and non-traditional media is laughable.
Stop crying and filling victimized people - start working and fighting.
I know it is hard but there is no other way. No one will going to help you if you will not start helping yourself. No one.

This isn't 1940--this is 2016 and the President of the U S the last 8 years is AA. I guarantee GUARANTEE people who feel racism is holding them back oppressing them or hindering their lives-- this rhetoric is falling on deaf ears. We are all the same and believe me no one cares about whining. The one thing that can be changed is to find people who help minorities rebuild infrastructure and triple down on thwarting drugs and crime. I think Trump is the guy who can help. Obama should've been the guy to do this he had two terms and if anything he went backwards

Like Trump both BRIGGS and arkrud have no idea what you're talking about!!! You both need to first go learn about how hundreds of years of institutional racism impacts African Americans in an adverse and insidious way that is so deeply imbedded in every crevice of this country's being that no President could by himself solve the problem.

Institutional Racism is like weeds in a garden that have deep roots. It's very difficult to completely get rid of them. If you just ignore it as if it's not there the weeds only get worse. It's gonna take a very comprehensive approach to fixing the problem. Blacks didn't create the problems they have! They had horrible things done TOO THEM which caused these problems. Hundreds of years of iintentionally depriving a people of education, terrorist violence, killing black leaders, destroying entire successful Black Communities out of hatred, spite and envy, removing financial resources, predatory lending, over policing and encarceration... The list goes on and on. Most of this is intentional but some is just baked into the cake.

Trump as president won't make things better! He doesn't even know the real reasons behind the problems to begin with so how can he fix anything??? You can't just drop in on a Black church and fully understand the issues impacting Black communities. BRIGGS, arkrud, neither of you know enough about this to understand why Trump and the Republican Party are not capable of helping to solve the problems in the African American community. I can tell by your statements that you guys don't fully appreciate the depth of the problem. I can help you to come to understand if you're really interested in learning.

I am not trying to change you believes Nix.
If someone believes in some religion or some political or social concept like you do there is no way to argue with him with some rational arguments.
Believe is based on faith not facts. So bless you man to stay with your believes. I just do not want this utopia ideas to be spread around and poison other rational people minds.
This is dangerous. So my arguments do not pointed on you.

Nice try but everything I post is based in FACT as well as lived experience. My people have been here since before this became an independent country. I know EXACTLY what has happened with my people from the beginning until this day and many of my still living relatives who can attest to what happened FIRST HAND! My 94 year old Grandmother is not somehow unclear on what she and her parents had to go thru! Neither my 70 year old father! It is YOU who are ignorant of the facts my friend.

So I have all the FACTS well in hand. Whatever subject you'd like to address regarding the plight of African Americans I am glad to help you to more fully understand. I can tell you with total certainty that you do not know what you're talking about. Your own frame of reference is not 100% applicable to the specific problems of African Americans.

So when I say that Trump is not the answer to the problems African Americans face I know what I'm talking about. This notion that all AA's have to do is lift themselves up by their own bootstraps and they can be just as successful as let's say Jewish Americans has NEVER been true. The barriors and impediments have been much greater throughout the entire history of this country.

Let me break it down for you why the South was so violently racist and why they felt it necessary to oppress the Black population and stop them from being able to vote and hold political office.

1870 Percentage of Black population per state in the South. 
South Carolina - 58.9% Black
Mississippi - 53.7% Black
Louisiana - 50.1% Black
Florida - 48.8% Black
Alabama - 47.7% Black
Georgia - 46% Black
Virginia - 41.9% Black
North Carolina - 36.6% Black
District of Columbia - 33% Black
Texas - 31% Black

Once the 15th Amendment was passed and African Americans could vote and run for office it had the potential to completely change the balance of power in the South. So Southern Whites resorted to extreme violence to keep their hold on power. This is the truth behind all the problems.

i wonder what these fine folks are doing to help the african american community? seems like the best way to overcome institutional racism is to get a bunch of money together and redistribute the wealth. how much money does any one person need to live well? plenty of nba players could also give their money to good causes.

talk is cheap. money talks.

holfresh wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

holfresh wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

Nalod wrote:"no thank you" is a cop out!!!!

Supreme court justices, likely two hangs in the balance. That does filter down to our every day lives.
The court on Wednesday split on N.C. discriminatory actions to limit minority voting. If Scalia was alive, it would likey have stood.
Few things scare me more than the far swing to the right.

Yes, Hilary has made a money grab. Get in line.
Where was all this outrage when the Bush Family was raking in the cash?
This all about a women doing things men have been doing for decades and we want some sweet grandma "Barbara Bush" type women?
Think Bengazi is the first embassy we ever lost? Far from it. Its the first that we went on a bipartisan witch hunt on.
Im not a raving Hilary lover but if she is "crooked" then Trump is 10x worse!

BTW, he lost me when he slammed John McCain and called him a "Loser" for getting captured in war. Most disgusting think I ever heard a candidate every say!
When some disillusioned Purple heart recipient gave his metal to Trump he said "Cool, I always wanted one of these"!!! That is wrong as so many levels.
Trump is the guy that got out of Vietnam by a sham docter letter. That's ok, but don't take another mans metal!!!
This guy is rotten to the core.
Made fun of a disfigured reporter? He looked like a dumb teenager in need of maturity! Not a 70 year old man of "substance".
Bans reporters from papers with a history of fact checking?

Obama was gonna take your guns. Didn't happen. Obama was gonna take the Ammo. Prices went up. Gun dudes fall for this crap all the time. president can't take away a constitutional amendment.
ChickenSHyt NRA pansies now blasting that rhetoric? How many times we going to get taken by that lobby?

Nothing Hilary has done even comes close to what this guy is about!
No doubt its a Shyt Show but a 25billion dollar wall cheered by ignorant white uneducated gun lovers who fall for fear mongering crap over and over is validation enough for me that I can't vote for trump and if you don't vote for Hilary you might end up with him!

Stand up and vote for the democracy. This country has never been perfect but we cannot succumb to fearful ignorance and a right wing agenda that moves us away from the beacon of light that is our constitution!!!!!
We are a country of compassion and justice, not "America First".

I disagree that Trump is more dangerous than Hillary. Most of the problems this country faces began or were accelerated during the Clinton presidency. Policies which Secretary Clinton fully supported at the time. Someone who took a very visible role in her husband's administration. No traditional first lady was she (yoda)

Even though she has reversed herself on the TPP, the head of her campaign and her pick for VP are ardent supporters for this trade pack. If it passes the Supreme Court will take a back seat to 3 corporate lawyers who will decide any lawsuit brought by a corporation against the US, and the US govt will not have any recourse. Its effectively ceding control of our govt to multi-national corporations. Trump is against the trade pack, Clinton I guarantee will support it again when elected. They both present horrific problems for this country if elected.

The crime bill was horrible I agree..But you can't hide from globalization. You either write the rules of the road or have it written for you. In a decade, 4 of the 5 largest economies on the planet will be in Asia. It's time to pivot away from the Middle East towards Asia if we are going to remain a global power. I worry that people like Bernie Sanders and Donald Trump are short sighted in this manner. They play on people's fears. None of Bernie's proposals were possible. One estimate that all of Bernie's programs proposals would cost over 30 trillion dollars. Please reread the merits of NAFTA and you will see we are well ahead of the game in that trade deal. Listen, I get that some people will lose their jobs, that's a given. Estimates are that 45% of the jobs will be gone in a decade due to automation and robots. Taxi drivers and truck drivers won't be around in a decade...We can stand around and play the protectionist game and let it happen or write the rules of the road to unsure we have a seat at the table and tilt the balance in our direction...

Nope! Not until you admit Lopez was better than you thought.

Haha..Funny stuff.. Lopez took his game to a next level after he was embarrassed by his brother in Brooklyn. But that was with about a fifth of the season left. I think there was a road trip after that he began to play harder. But the problem with Lopez is that he didn't fit with what the Knicks wanted to do. He was a terrible passer in the pivot. He probably shot the ball 95% of the times he got it. The triangle needs good pivot passers to encourage movement off the ball and shifting triangle rotations which are key element of the triangle. I suspect this is why Rambis said he wanted KP to play the pivot more and to "beat Lopez down the court." Folks here saw this comment as Rambis trying to restict KP which was wrong..KP is a really good passer in the pivot the very few times he posted. So Lopez showing up late in the season has now become mythical.. 10 pts 7 boards over a season for a 7 footer is hardly anything to write home about...

I see your hateburger franchise is thriving! Lopez's numbers got better every month in spite of a rookie coach who would pull Lopez after 2 fouls and sit him in the 4th regardless of how well he was playing, and one of the worst coaches in NBA history as the follow up. Scrubs dont do that. Look at some of the games he had late in the season when he was allowed to do his thing.

As for NAFTA, if I read it again will the worker protections magically appear? That part was left "under construction". Great for billionaires, not so great for workers. Millions of Mexican farmers lost their jobs becuase of NAFTA and flooded this country illiegally in the 90s looking for work. Tens of thousands of US factories shuttered. Wages declined.

This neoliberal argument that globalism is inevitable and there is nothing to be done for the workers is caca. Countries like Germany have protected their workers from the effects of globalism. You are pushing a discredited theory. Even the IMF has declared neoliberalism a failure.

holfresh wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

holfresh wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

holfresh wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

Nalod wrote:"no thank you" is a cop out!!!!

Supreme court justices, likely two hangs in the balance. That does filter down to our every day lives.
The court on Wednesday split on N.C. discriminatory actions to limit minority voting. If Scalia was alive, it would likey have stood.
Few things scare me more than the far swing to the right.

Yes, Hilary has made a money grab. Get in line.
Where was all this outrage when the Bush Family was raking in the cash?
This all about a women doing things men have been doing for decades and we want some sweet grandma "Barbara Bush" type women?
Think Bengazi is the first embassy we ever lost? Far from it. Its the first that we went on a bipartisan witch hunt on.
Im not a raving Hilary lover but if she is "crooked" then Trump is 10x worse!

BTW, he lost me when he slammed John McCain and called him a "Loser" for getting captured in war. Most disgusting think I ever heard a candidate every say!
When some disillusioned Purple heart recipient gave his metal to Trump he said "Cool, I always wanted one of these"!!! That is wrong as so many levels.
Trump is the guy that got out of Vietnam by a sham docter letter. That's ok, but don't take another mans metal!!!
This guy is rotten to the core.
Made fun of a disfigured reporter? He looked like a dumb teenager in need of maturity! Not a 70 year old man of "substance".
Bans reporters from papers with a history of fact checking?

Obama was gonna take your guns. Didn't happen. Obama was gonna take the Ammo. Prices went up. Gun dudes fall for this crap all the time. president can't take away a constitutional amendment.
ChickenSHyt NRA pansies now blasting that rhetoric? How many times we going to get taken by that lobby?

Nothing Hilary has done even comes close to what this guy is about!
No doubt its a Shyt Show but a 25billion dollar wall cheered by ignorant white uneducated gun lovers who fall for fear mongering crap over and over is validation enough for me that I can't vote for trump and if you don't vote for Hilary you might end up with him!

Stand up and vote for the democracy. This country has never been perfect but we cannot succumb to fearful ignorance and a right wing agenda that moves us away from the beacon of light that is our constitution!!!!!
We are a country of compassion and justice, not "America First".

I disagree that Trump is more dangerous than Hillary. Most of the problems this country faces began or were accelerated during the Clinton presidency. Policies which Secretary Clinton fully supported at the time. Someone who took a very visible role in her husband's administration. No traditional first lady was she (yoda)

Even though she has reversed herself on the TPP, the head of her campaign and her pick for VP are ardent supporters for this trade pack. If it passes the Supreme Court will take a back seat to 3 corporate lawyers who will decide any lawsuit brought by a corporation against the US, and the US govt will not have any recourse. Its effectively ceding control of our govt to multi-national corporations. Trump is against the trade pack, Clinton I guarantee will support it again when elected. They both present horrific problems for this country if elected.

The crime bill was horrible I agree..But you can't hide from globalization. You either write the rules of the road or have it written for you. In a decade, 4 of the 5 largest economies on the planet will be in Asia. It's time to pivot away from the Middle East towards Asia if we are going to remain a global power. I worry that people like Bernie Sanders and Donald Trump are short sighted in this manner. They play on people's fears. None of Bernie's proposals were possible. One estimate that all of Bernie's programs proposals would cost over 30 trillion dollars. Please reread the merits of NAFTA and you will see we are well ahead of the game in that trade deal. Listen, I get that some people will lose their jobs, that's a given. Estimates are that 45% of the jobs will be gone in a decade due to automation and robots. Taxi drivers and truck drivers won't be around in a decade...We can stand around and play the protectionist game and let it happen or write the rules of the road to unsure we have a seat at the table and tilt the balance in our direction...

Nope! Not until you admit Lopez was better than you thought.

Haha..Funny stuff.. Lopez took his game to a next level after he was embarrassed by his brother in Brooklyn. But that was with about a fifth of the season left. I think there was a road trip after that he began to play harder. But the problem with Lopez is that he didn't fit with what the Knicks wanted to do. He was a terrible passer in the pivot. He probably shot the ball 95% of the times he got it. The triangle needs good pivot passers to encourage movement off the ball and shifting triangle rotations which are key element of the triangle. I suspect this is why Rambis said he wanted KP to play the pivot more and to "beat Lopez down the court." Folks here saw this comment as Rambis trying to restict KP which was wrong..KP is a really good passer in the pivot the very few times he posted. So Lopez showing up late in the season has now become mythical.. 10 pts 7 boards over a season for a 7 footer is hardly anything to write home about...

I see your hateburger franchise is thriving! Lopez's numbers got better every month in spite of a rookie coach who would pull Lopez after 2 fouls and sit him in the 4th regardless of how well he was playing, and one of the worst coaches in NBA history as the follow up. Scrubs dont do that. Look at some of the games he had late in the season when he was allowed to do his thing.

As for NAFTA, if I read it again will the worker protections magically appear? That part was left "under construction". Great for billionaires, not so great for workers. Millions of Mexican farmers lost their jobs becuase of NAFTA and flooded this country illiegally in the 90s looking for work. Tens of thousands of US factories shuttered. Wages declined.

This neoliberal argument that globalism is inevitable and there is nothing to be done for the workers is caca. Countries like Germany have protected their workers from the effects of globalism. You are pushing a discredited theory. Even the IMF has declared neoliberalism a failure.

So trade between US/Mex goes from 80 billion per year to over half a trillion per year and this was a lose-lose for workers on both sides??..Today border crossings to over 1 million per day with the majority business related and no more border agents get hired??, only billionaires made out??..Bernie sure did a number you..

We can let China charter the course of the next 4 largest economies in the world for the next decade to see how that works for us...

You make the influx of millions of desperate workers flooding the border sound like a day in Tijuana.
Wages have been flat for decades, most of the gains from this increased trade went to shareholders, wealthy shareholders.

Nothing wrong with trade, but these deals are weighted to benefit multi-national corps and wealthy shareholder over workers. When these deals start providing a widely shared prosperity, then they will be worth it, they havent come close. Its all about chasing the lowest wages, only a select few really prosper from this arrangement.

BRIGGS wrote:

nixluva wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

arkrud wrote:

nixluva wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

arkrud wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

arkrud wrote:

Papabear wrote:

nixluva wrote:

arkrud wrote:It's mind bugging that so many people honestly think that president of United States and even more Congress have any control of our society.
They cannot change sht and this is the best thing which happening to this country.
We have a society which regulates itself by natural lows on nature and human psychology.
This is why we and countries selected the same way of Republican governance in the framework of market economy are progressing so quickly.
And the rest of the world who decided to go with various communist/religions/nationalistic dictatorship with government planned economy are descending into Mad Max style wastelands.
So we can have big a..ss Khardasian lady as president and bunch of average crackheads in Congress but everything will still go exactly the way it goes.

I don't think you realize that this country fought a bloody Civil War to begin to bring about a just society and it still took another 100 years of violence and oppression and the use of National Guard Troops to force integration. Still yet in the South things have not fully integrated so much so that School Proms in many areas were still segregated as recently as last year. There was no NATURAL REGULATION. People DIED in order to bring about a better society in this country.

Papabear Says

I had a cousin in the early 1980's was married to a white girl in the south. I went down to visit him and my family and one day we went to a supermarket and my cousin was a very open guy. In the store he kept on saying come on baby what do you want. The store was 99% white and they kept stiring at him and his wife. One night some one came and knocked on his door and asked him to step outside and when he did they blew him away. Shot him dead just because he was married to a white woman. (so sad) He had a nice car, good job and he saw no color.

Sad story it is...
Not sure how all Presidents and Congressmen of US can help this stuff not to happen.
They cannot do anything about it as they cannot change the human nature.
No one but African Americans themselves can solve the problems they have and no one else will.
If you still believe that government of any kind will come and help you, you are very delusional.
Even God will not help you if you will not help yourself.

There are certain things African Americans should do for themselves. And there are certain things that all races should be standing for as human beings in support of the human race.

What African Americans would like is for Governors & Congress to hold people accountable for that very nature (with punishments that fit the crimes). Just like the enforcing of video cameras on police and evolving with that type of accountability. Holding Chief Of Police all the way down accountable given the power police have. All Americans should demand it because its logical and just.

In North Carolina research and analysis were done on how, when, where African Americans voted. Then Laws were put in place to limit the African American vote. First, the fact that this was even attempted should be eye opening an goes against everything that a certain demographic of people have been claiming doesn't happen anymore in this age. Second, all Americans should be appalled and if all Americans were to be equally outraged and demand accountability for it there would be a higher probability of preventing theses type of issues. But let me guess, African Americans brought this on themselves. African Americans should have just adapted to the new laws made. Doesn't effect whites or any other race so not an issue.

If you want inclusion then all Americans need to band together and fight for what is just. If not then might as well bring back segregation.

This yr Levar Allen a 17 yr old three sport student-athlete for Louisiana. Who made local news headlines for his athletic achievements, and never before hand in trouble with the law. He was charged with child pornography after exchanging sexting messages with his 16 yr old white girl friend. She started the act by sending him the first message. He acting as her boyfriend replied with his own. Her parents caught wind of his video and called the police. Is this an issue that African Americans and only African Americans should be looking to solve? In your eyes does the punishment fit the crime if you even want to call it a crime?

Levar Allen with this felony of child pornography attached to his name will lose his rights to

Vote
Traveling abroad
The right to bear arms or own guns
Jury service
Employment in certain fields
Public social benefits and housing
Parental benefits

You listed things which are available and provided to all Americans including African Americans.
If some violations of this lows and rights are commuted by officials or people this cases should be brought to court of low and public attention.
I think African Americans are biggest group to receive benefits you listed and they are awarded based on economic need not race or other stuff.
In fact all of this is not available in most of the countries of the world.
Nobody claimed that there are no issues and violations but the only way to deal with this is on case-by-case basis.

Can you elaborate on your first sentence?

That is what has been happening under the social media era. Which people are taking sides based on race rather then justice. And without social media African American would still be told racism doesn't exist anymore.

We are awarded the benefits from the America we helped create & make prosper, and helped fight in wars for to preserve, while being put at a disadvantage for over 400 yrs and counting. We wouldn't need these benefits today if we were treated as equals from 400 yrs ago.

I have no problem dealing with issues case by case. Just remember that when black on black homicide is used to justify police brutality etc.

Not to mention that it is a MYTH that Blacks are the biggest group to receive benefits!!!

Nationally, most of the people who receive benefits from the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program are white. According to 2013 data from the U.S. Department of Agriculture, which administers the program, 40.2 percent of SNAP recipients are white, 25.7 percent are black, 10.3 percent are Hispanic, 2.1 percent are Asian and 1.2 percent are Native American.

http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/6771938

Exactly what I meant - 11% of black population receives 25% of entitlements...
Because entitlements should and are warded based on need not race
And about public opinion... If African Americans unable to raze the issues in any public forums they need to get help.
There are a zilion of black celebs, actors, entertainers, reporters, professors, etc.
And notion that they cannot raze the issues of black communities in traditional and non-traditional media is laughable.
Stop crying and filling victimized people - start working and fighting.
I know it is hard but there is no other way. No one will going to help you if you will not start helping yourself. No one.

This isn't 1940--this is 2016 and the President of the U S the last 8 years is AA. I guarantee GUARANTEE people who feel racism is holding them back oppressing them or hindering their lives-- this rhetoric is falling on deaf ears. We are all the same and believe me no one cares about whining. The one thing that can be changed is to find people who help minorities rebuild infrastructure and triple down on thwarting drugs and crime. I think Trump is the guy who can help. Obama should've been the guy to do this he had two terms and if anything he went backwards

Like Trump both BRIGGS and arkrud have no idea what you're talking about!!! You both need to first go learn about how hundreds of years of institutional racism impacts African Americans in an adverse and insidious way that is so deeply imbedded in every crevice of this country's being that no President could by himself solve the problem.

Institutional Racism is like weeds in a garden that have deep roots. It's very difficult to completely get rid of them. If you just ignore it as if it's not there the weeds only get worse. It's gonna take a very comprehensive approach to fixing the problem. Blacks didn't create the problems they have! They had horrible things done TOO THEM which caused these problems. Hundreds of years of iintentionally depriving a people of education, terrorist violence, killing black leaders, destroying entire successful Black Communities out of hatred, spite and envy, removing financial resources, predatory lending, over policing and encarceration... The list goes on and on. Most of this is intentional but some is just baked into the cake.

Trump as president won't make things better! He doesn't even know the real reasons behind the problems to begin with so how can he fix anything??? You can't just drop in on a Black church and fully understand the issues impacting Black communities. BRIGGS, arkrud, neither of you know enough about this to understand why Trump and the Republican Party are not capable of helping to solve the problems in the African American community. I can tell by your statements that you guys don't fully appreciate the depth of the problem. I can help you to come to understand if you're really interested in learning.

nixluva--no one is going to suffice what you are looking for. I really dont care what you think about history to be honest--nothing personal. I will say my best friend is AA of 40 years. A great guy as is his Mom and brother who I grew up with. Thats why I dont know racism I dont believe in it in 2016 and neither do they. Were just people friends--thats it. I dont live in the south and I dont know what happens there--but I have High doubts that anything that happened 50 years ago is going on today. And thats on people in the south--not NY CT etc.. As far as why I like trump and why I think minorities should take 2nd and 3rd looks--its a guy who I think can rebuild infrastructure in the inner cities at a minimum

First off MOST AA's still live in the former Slave states so history does matter. Just cuz you have Black friends doesn't mean Institutional Racism doesn't exist. Racism doesn't require that you personally believe in it or not. I can tell you that IF you were Black and under the oppression of this system you would not be saying such ignorant and insensitive things.

I do live in the South were MOST Black People live and despite your doubts racism is still very much alive. I've personally seen it. Also there's an awful lot of racism in the North as well. I truthfully can't believe the things you've been saying. Tho your take explains a lot about what's been wrong in this country. People like you burying their heads in the sand on the race issue. It's all good in your world.

Jesus! I almost can't believe what you've written in this thread! You want to feel more comfortable supporting Trump and the Republican Party so you don't want to accept the truth about their Racist policies! Like Voter Suppression Laws that target African Americans. It's been PROVEN that these laws intentions were to disenfranchise Blacks. But that's OK with you. This kind of thinking disgusts me!!! My ancestors were denied their rights for over 200 years and this crap is still going on??? You think this is a game? This is people's lives we're talking about.

holfresh wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

arkrud wrote:

nixluva wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

arkrud wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

arkrud wrote:

Papabear wrote:

nixluva wrote:

arkrud wrote:It's mind bugging that so many people honestly think that president of United States and even more Congress have any control of our society.
They cannot change sht and this is the best thing which happening to this country.
We have a society which regulates itself by natural lows on nature and human psychology.
This is why we and countries selected the same way of Republican governance in the framework of market economy are progressing so quickly.
And the rest of the world who decided to go with various communist/religions/nationalistic dictatorship with government planned economy are descending into Mad Max style wastelands.
So we can have big a..ss Khardasian lady as president and bunch of average crackheads in Congress but everything will still go exactly the way it goes.

I don't think you realize that this country fought a bloody Civil War to begin to bring about a just society and it still took another 100 years of violence and oppression and the use of National Guard Troops to force integration. Still yet in the South things have not fully integrated so much so that School Proms in many areas were still segregated as recently as last year. There was no NATURAL REGULATION. People DIED in order to bring about a better society in this country.

Papabear Says

I had a cousin in the early 1980's was married to a white girl in the south. I went down to visit him and my family and one day we went to a supermarket and my cousin was a very open guy. In the store he kept on saying come on baby what do you want. The store was 99% white and they kept stiring at him and his wife. One night some one came and knocked on his door and asked him to step outside and when he did they blew him away. Shot him dead just because he was married to a white woman. (so sad) He had a nice car, good job and he saw no color.

Sad story it is...
Not sure how all Presidents and Congressmen of US can help this stuff not to happen.
They cannot do anything about it as they cannot change the human nature.
No one but African Americans themselves can solve the problems they have and no one else will.
If you still believe that government of any kind will come and help you, you are very delusional.
Even God will not help you if you will not help yourself.

There are certain things African Americans should do for themselves. And there are certain things that all races should be standing for as human beings in support of the human race.

What African Americans would like is for Governors & Congress to hold people accountable for that very nature (with punishments that fit the crimes). Just like the enforcing of video cameras on police and evolving with that type of accountability. Holding Chief Of Police all the way down accountable given the power police have. All Americans should demand it because its logical and just.

In North Carolina research and analysis were done on how, when, where African Americans voted. Then Laws were put in place to limit the African American vote. First, the fact that this was even attempted should be eye opening an goes against everything that a certain demographic of people have been claiming doesn't happen anymore in this age. Second, all Americans should be appalled and if all Americans were to be equally outraged and demand accountability for it there would be a higher probability of preventing theses type of issues. But let me guess, African Americans brought this on themselves. African Americans should have just adapted to the new laws made. Doesn't effect whites or any other race so not an issue.

If you want inclusion then all Americans need to band together and fight for what is just. If not then might as well bring back segregation.

This yr Levar Allen a 17 yr old three sport student-athlete for Louisiana. Who made local news headlines for his athletic achievements, and never before hand in trouble with the law. He was charged with child pornography after exchanging sexting messages with his 16 yr old white girl friend. She started the act by sending him the first message. He acting as her boyfriend replied with his own. Her parents caught wind of his video and called the police. Is this an issue that African Americans and only African Americans should be looking to solve? In your eyes does the punishment fit the crime if you even want to call it a crime?

Levar Allen with this felony of child pornography attached to his name will lose his rights to

Vote
Traveling abroad
The right to bear arms or own guns
Jury service
Employment in certain fields
Public social benefits and housing
Parental benefits

You listed things which are available and provided to all Americans including African Americans.
If some violations of this lows and rights are commuted by officials or people this cases should be brought to court of low and public attention.
I think African Americans are biggest group to receive benefits you listed and they are awarded based on economic need not race or other stuff.
In fact all of this is not available in most of the countries of the world.
Nobody claimed that there are no issues and violations but the only way to deal with this is on case-by-case basis.

Can you elaborate on your first sentence?

That is what has been happening under the social media era. Which people are taking sides based on race rather then justice. And without social media African American would still be told racism doesn't exist anymore.

We are awarded the benefits from the America we helped create & make prosper, and helped fight in wars for to preserve, while being put at a disadvantage for over 400 yrs and counting. We wouldn't need these benefits today if we were treated as equals from 400 yrs ago.

I have no problem dealing with issues case by case. Just remember that when black on black homicide is used to justify police brutality etc.

Not to mention that it is a MYTH that Blacks are the biggest group to receive benefits!!!

Nationally, most of the people who receive benefits from the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program are white. According to 2013 data from the U.S. Department of Agriculture, which administers the program, 40.2 percent of SNAP recipients are white, 25.7 percent are black, 10.3 percent are Hispanic, 2.1 percent are Asian and 1.2 percent are Native American.

http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/6771938

Exactly what I meant - 11% of black population receives 25% of entitlements...
Because entitlements should and are warded based on need not race
And about public opinion... If African Americans unable to raze the issues in any public forums they need to get help.
There are a zilion of black celebs, actors, entertainers, reporters, professors, etc.
And notion that they cannot raze the issues of black communities in traditional and non-traditional media is laughable.
Stop crying and filling victimized people - start working and fighting.
I know it is hard but there is no other way. No one will going to help you if you will not start helping yourself. No one.

This isn't 1940--this is 2016 and the President of the U S the last 8 years is AA. I guarantee GUARANTEE people who feel racism is holding them back oppressing them or hindering their lives-- this rhetoric is falling on deaf ears. We are all the same and believe me no one cares about whining. The one thing that can be changed is to find people who help minorities rebuild infrastructure and triple down on thwarting drugs and crime. I think Trump is the guy who can help. Obama should've been the guy to do this he had two terms and if anything he went backwards

Then why would minorities vote for a guy who courts racists, why would they vote for a guy who supports the NRA who does nothing but help flood the inner cities with guns...Why would you vote for a guy who doesn't know what the nuclear triad is?? Why would you vote for a guy who thought Democratic VP candidate Tim Kaine, was the former Governor of New Jersey, a neighboring state of his, where he does business, no less...Why would you vote for a guy who admits he doesn't like to read...There are lots of reading that goes with running the free world..Why would you vote or trust a guy who has flipped on every issue multiple times, sometimes in the same day...He has a guy who was pressuring women to sleep with him because he was their boss, advising his campaign..You have daughters who will work one day?? He has another guy who peddle racist propaganda on the internet helping his campaign..He wife plagiarize during a speech for the highest, most honored, office in the land...This is befuddling...

nixluva wrote:

arkrud wrote:

nixluva wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

arkrud wrote:

nixluva wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

arkrud wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

arkrud wrote:

Papabear wrote:

nixluva wrote:

arkrud wrote:It's mind bugging that so many people honestly think that president of United States and even more Congress have any control of our society.
They cannot change sht and this is the best thing which happening to this country.
We have a society which regulates itself by natural lows on nature and human psychology.
This is why we and countries selected the same way of Republican governance in the framework of market economy are progressing so quickly.
And the rest of the world who decided to go with various communist/religions/nationalistic dictatorship with government planned economy are descending into Mad Max style wastelands.
So we can have big a..ss Khardasian lady as president and bunch of average crackheads in Congress but everything will still go exactly the way it goes.

I don't think you realize that this country fought a bloody Civil War to begin to bring about a just society and it still took another 100 years of violence and oppression and the use of National Guard Troops to force integration. Still yet in the South things have not fully integrated so much so that School Proms in many areas were still segregated as recently as last year. There was no NATURAL REGULATION. People DIED in order to bring about a better society in this country.

Papabear Says

I had a cousin in the early 1980's was married to a white girl in the south. I went down to visit him and my family and one day we went to a supermarket and my cousin was a very open guy. In the store he kept on saying come on baby what do you want. The store was 99% white and they kept stiring at him and his wife. One night some one came and knocked on his door and asked him to step outside and when he did they blew him away. Shot him dead just because he was married to a white woman. (so sad) He had a nice car, good job and he saw no color.

Sad story it is...
Not sure how all Presidents and Congressmen of US can help this stuff not to happen.
They cannot do anything about it as they cannot change the human nature.
No one but African Americans themselves can solve the problems they have and no one else will.
If you still believe that government of any kind will come and help you, you are very delusional.
Even God will not help you if you will not help yourself.

There are certain things African Americans should do for themselves. And there are certain things that all races should be standing for as human beings in support of the human race.

What African Americans would like is for Governors & Congress to hold people accountable for that very nature (with punishments that fit the crimes). Just like the enforcing of video cameras on police and evolving with that type of accountability. Holding Chief Of Police all the way down accountable given the power police have. All Americans should demand it because its logical and just.

In North Carolina research and analysis were done on how, when, where African Americans voted. Then Laws were put in place to limit the African American vote. First, the fact that this was even attempted should be eye opening an goes against everything that a certain demographic of people have been claiming doesn't happen anymore in this age. Second, all Americans should be appalled and if all Americans were to be equally outraged and demand accountability for it there would be a higher probability of preventing theses type of issues. But let me guess, African Americans brought this on themselves. African Americans should have just adapted to the new laws made. Doesn't effect whites or any other race so not an issue.

If you want inclusion then all Americans need to band together and fight for what is just. If not then might as well bring back segregation.

This yr Levar Allen a 17 yr old three sport student-athlete for Louisiana. Who made local news headlines for his athletic achievements, and never before hand in trouble with the law. He was charged with child pornography after exchanging sexting messages with his 16 yr old white girl friend. She started the act by sending him the first message. He acting as her boyfriend replied with his own. Her parents caught wind of his video and called the police. Is this an issue that African Americans and only African Americans should be looking to solve? In your eyes does the punishment fit the crime if you even want to call it a crime?

Levar Allen with this felony of child pornography attached to his name will lose his rights to

Vote
Traveling abroad
The right to bear arms or own guns
Jury service
Employment in certain fields
Public social benefits and housing
Parental benefits

You listed things which are available and provided to all Americans including African Americans.
If some violations of this lows and rights are commuted by officials or people this cases should be brought to court of low and public attention.
I think African Americans are biggest group to receive benefits you listed and they are awarded based on economic need not race or other stuff.
In fact all of this is not available in most of the countries of the world.
Nobody claimed that there are no issues and violations but the only way to deal with this is on case-by-case basis.

Can you elaborate on your first sentence?

That is what has been happening under the social media era. Which people are taking sides based on race rather then justice. And without social media African American would still be told racism doesn't exist anymore.

We are awarded the benefits from the America we helped create & make prosper, and helped fight in wars for to preserve, while being put at a disadvantage for over 400 yrs and counting. We wouldn't need these benefits today if we were treated as equals from 400 yrs ago.

I have no problem dealing with issues case by case. Just remember that when black on black homicide is used to justify police brutality etc.

Not to mention that it is a MYTH that Blacks are the biggest group to receive benefits!!!

Nationally, most of the people who receive benefits from the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program are white. According to 2013 data from the U.S. Department of Agriculture, which administers the program, 40.2 percent of SNAP recipients are white, 25.7 percent are black, 10.3 percent are Hispanic, 2.1 percent are Asian and 1.2 percent are Native American.

http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/6771938

Exactly what I meant - 11% of black population receives 25% of entitlements...
Because entitlements should and are warded based on need not race
And about public opinion... If African Americans unable to raze the issues in any public forums they need to get help.
There are a zilion of black celebs, actors, entertainers, reporters, professors, etc.
And notion that they cannot raze the issues of black communities in traditional and non-traditional media is laughable.
Stop crying and filling victimized people - start working and fighting.
I know it is hard but there is no other way. No one will going to help you if you will not start helping yourself. No one.

This isn't 1940--this is 2016 and the President of the U S the last 8 years is AA. I guarantee GUARANTEE people who feel racism is holding them back oppressing them or hindering their lives-- this rhetoric is falling on deaf ears. We are all the same and believe me no one cares about whining. The one thing that can be changed is to find people who help minorities rebuild infrastructure and triple down on thwarting drugs and crime. I think Trump is the guy who can help. Obama should've been the guy to do this he had two terms and if anything he went backwards

Like Trump both BRIGGS and arkrud have no idea what you're talking about!!! You both need to first go learn about how hundreds of years of institutional racism impacts African Americans in an adverse and insidious way that is so deeply imbedded in every crevice of this country's being that no President could by himself solve the problem.

Institutional Racism is like weeds in a garden that have deep roots. It's very difficult to completely get rid of them. If you just ignore it as if it's not there the weeds only get worse. It's gonna take a very comprehensive approach to fixing the problem. Blacks didn't create the problems they have! They had horrible things done TOO THEM which caused these problems. Hundreds of years of iintentionally depriving a people of education, terrorist violence, killing black leaders, destroying entire successful Black Communities out of hatred, spite and envy, removing financial resources, predatory lending, over policing and encarceration... The list goes on and on. Most of this is intentional but some is just baked into the cake.

Trump as president won't make things better! He doesn't even know the real reasons behind the problems to begin with so how can he fix anything??? You can't just drop in on a Black church and fully understand the issues impacting Black communities. BRIGGS, arkrud, neither of you know enough about this to understand why Trump and the Republican Party are not capable of helping to solve the problems in the African American community. I can tell by your statements that you guys don't fully appreciate the depth of the problem. I can help you to come to understand if you're really interested in learning.

I am not trying to change you believes Nix.
If someone believes in some religion or some political or social concept like you do there is no way to argue with him with some rational arguments.
Believe is based on faith not facts. So bless you man to stay with your believes. I just do not want this utopia ideas to be spread around and poison other rational people minds.
This is dangerous. So my arguments do not pointed on you.

Nice try but everything I post is based in FACT as well as lived experience. My people have been here since before this became an independent country. I know EXACTLY what has happened with my people from the beginning until this day and many of my still living relatives who can attest to what happened FIRST HAND! My 94 year old Grandmother is not somehow unclear on what she and her parents had to go thru! Neither my 70 year old father! It is YOU who are ignorant of the facts my friend.

So I have all the FACTS well in hand. Whatever subject you'd like to address regarding the plight of African Americans I am glad to help you to more fully understand. I can tell you with total certainty that you do not know what you're talking about. Your own frame of reference is not 100% applicable to the specific problems of African Americans.

So when I say that Trump is not the answer to the problems African Americans face I know what I'm talking about. This notion that all AA's have to do is lift themselves up by their own bootstraps and they can be just as successful as let's say Jewish Americans has NEVER been true. The barriors and impediments have been much greater throughout the entire history of this country.

Let me break it down for you why the South was so violently racist and why they felt it necessary to oppress the Black population and stop them from being able to vote and hold political office.

1870 Percentage of Black population per state in the South. 
South Carolina - 58.9% Black
Mississippi - 53.7% Black
Louisiana - 50.1% Black
Florida - 48.8% Black
Alabama - 47.7% Black
Georgia - 46% Black
Virginia - 41.9% Black
North Carolina - 36.6% Black
District of Columbia - 33% Black
Texas - 31% Black

Once the 15th Amendment was passed and African Americans could vote and run for office it had the potential to completely change the balance of power in the South. So Southern Whites resorted to extreme violence to keep their hold on power. This is the truth behind all the problems.

I agree that the white man has held blacks down for a long time NO DOUBT ABOUT THAT! Sh*t those poor Africans get it the worst, their lives are practically worthless to the rest of the world. BUT ya'll gotta move on!

Asians come here they don't even speak English barely and they hustling and making money and they been doing it for a long time, even when Asians weren't Asian but "chinks". They built the railroads, started communities and businesses, their kids studied hard and went to top universities and many thrive and have great jobs. They faced racism also, not to the extent that blacks do most of the time but they had to face trials and tribulations nonetheless.

Here is the problem and I will face a lot of backlash for this but im tired of being PC we need some honesty. If English is your native tongue and you still cant speak it properly then good luck getting a job! If you "AX" someone a question then good luck getting a job. If your name is Shakwan or Shanene or some kind of variation it is statistically proven that your resume will not get an interview over a "Stacey Flores" or a "Michael Johnson". If you come to the interview wearing a tie with pants hanging off your ass you probably wont get a job! If you got tattoos on your face you probably wont get the job!
ETC ETC.... BUT...

I have seen A LOT LESS racism towards blacks that are normal people. Im talking about blacks that are just like any other average normal American meaning not wearing chains and baggy clothing and a do rag, speaking normal English, holding down regular jobs. I think a lot of racism is towards the ghetto ass black people. And I truly think that if you are ghetto of any race then OF COURSE your gonna be treated differently.

I also think we have to stop glorifying rappers and we need to stop showing black people in a negative light so much, If I was black I would almost feel brainwashed by society into thinking that the only way for me to succeed would be to be a sports athlete, rapper or drug dealer. Im a huge fan of Neil deGrasse Tyson cause hes such a cool astrophysicist and the fact that a young black person can watch him and think "hey I can be a astrophysicist also!". We need to eliminate "Black History Month" and just integrate that during the regular school year, there are so many influential black people that contributed to the American society and history and are just sadly never included in the curriculums. But why teach about them only one month out of the year? Why segregate African Americans into just one month, they are just as American as the Dutch Americans and German Americans and so on.

Like I said before NO ONE is gonna help black people except yourselves. For those that are ghetto you cant stay ghetto and expect to be treated like everybody else, you can't have your cake and eat it too. If you wanna "keep it real" then don't complain about the consequences and how the "man" keeps you down.

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arkrud wrote:

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nixluva wrote:

arkrud wrote:It's mind bugging that so many people honestly think that president of United States and even more Congress have any control of our society.
They cannot change sht and this is the best thing which happening to this country.
We have a society which regulates itself by natural lows on nature and human psychology.
This is why we and countries selected the same way of Republican governance in the framework of market economy are progressing so quickly.
And the rest of the world who decided to go with various communist/religions/nationalistic dictatorship with government planned economy are descending into Mad Max style wastelands.
So we can have big a..ss Khardasian lady as president and bunch of average crackheads in Congress but everything will still go exactly the way it goes.

I don't think you realize that this country fought a bloody Civil War to begin to bring about a just society and it still took another 100 years of violence and oppression and the use of National Guard Troops to force integration. Still yet in the South things have not fully integrated so much so that School Proms in many areas were still segregated as recently as last year. There was no NATURAL REGULATION. People DIED in order to bring about a better society in this country.

Papabear Says

I had a cousin in the early 1980's was married to a white girl in the south. I went down to visit him and my family and one day we went to a supermarket and my cousin was a very open guy. In the store he kept on saying come on baby what do you want. The store was 99% white and they kept stiring at him and his wife. One night some one came and knocked on his door and asked him to step outside and when he did they blew him away. Shot him dead just because he was married to a white woman. (so sad) He had a nice car, good job and he saw no color.

Sad story it is...
Not sure how all Presidents and Congressmen of US can help this stuff not to happen.
They cannot do anything about it as they cannot change the human nature.
No one but African Americans themselves can solve the problems they have and no one else will.
If you still believe that government of any kind will come and help you, you are very delusional.
Even God will not help you if you will not help yourself.

There are certain things African Americans should do for themselves. And there are certain things that all races should be standing for as human beings in support of the human race.

What African Americans would like is for Governors & Congress to hold people accountable for that very nature (with punishments that fit the crimes). Just like the enforcing of video cameras on police and evolving with that type of accountability. Holding Chief Of Police all the way down accountable given the power police have. All Americans should demand it because its logical and just.

In North Carolina research and analysis were done on how, when, where African Americans voted. Then Laws were put in place to limit the African American vote. First, the fact that this was even attempted should be eye opening an goes against everything that a certain demographic of people have been claiming doesn't happen anymore in this age. Second, all Americans should be appalled and if all Americans were to be equally outraged and demand accountability for it there would be a higher probability of preventing theses type of issues. But let me guess, African Americans brought this on themselves. African Americans should have just adapted to the new laws made. Doesn't effect whites or any other race so not an issue.

If you want inclusion then all Americans need to band together and fight for what is just. If not then might as well bring back segregation.

This yr Levar Allen a 17 yr old three sport student-athlete for Louisiana. Who made local news headlines for his athletic achievements, and never before hand in trouble with the law. He was charged with child pornography after exchanging sexting messages with his 16 yr old white girl friend. She started the act by sending him the first message. He acting as her boyfriend replied with his own. Her parents caught wind of his video and called the police. Is this an issue that African Americans and only African Americans should be looking to solve? In your eyes does the punishment fit the crime if you even want to call it a crime?

Levar Allen with this felony of child pornography attached to his name will lose his rights to

Vote
Traveling abroad
The right to bear arms or own guns
Jury service
Employment in certain fields
Public social benefits and housing
Parental benefits

You listed things which are available and provided to all Americans including African Americans.
If some violations of this lows and rights are commuted by officials or people this cases should be brought to court of low and public attention.
I think African Americans are biggest group to receive benefits you listed and they are awarded based on economic need not race or other stuff.
In fact all of this is not available in most of the countries of the world.
Nobody claimed that there are no issues and violations but the only way to deal with this is on case-by-case basis.

Can you elaborate on your first sentence?

That is what has been happening under the social media era. Which people are taking sides based on race rather then justice. And without social media African American would still be told racism doesn't exist anymore.

We are awarded the benefits from the America we helped create & make prosper, and helped fight in wars for to preserve, while being put at a disadvantage for over 400 yrs and counting. We wouldn't need these benefits today if we were treated as equals from 400 yrs ago.

I have no problem dealing with issues case by case. Just remember that when black on black homicide is used to justify police brutality etc.

Not to mention that it is a MYTH that Blacks are the biggest group to receive benefits!!!

Nationally, most of the people who receive benefits from the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program are white. According to 2013 data from the U.S. Department of Agriculture, which administers the program, 40.2 percent of SNAP recipients are white, 25.7 percent are black, 10.3 percent are Hispanic, 2.1 percent are Asian and 1.2 percent are Native American.

http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/6771938

Exactly what I meant - 11% of black population receives 25% of entitlements...
Because entitlements should and are warded based on need not race
And about public opinion... If African Americans unable to raze the issues in any public forums they need to get help.
There are a zilion of black celebs, actors, entertainers, reporters, professors, etc.
And notion that they cannot raze the issues of black communities in traditional and non-traditional media is laughable.
Stop crying and filling victimized people - start working and fighting.
I know it is hard but there is no other way. No one will going to help you if you will not start helping yourself. No one.

This isn't 1940--this is 2016 and the President of the U S the last 8 years is AA. I guarantee GUARANTEE people who feel racism is holding them back oppressing them or hindering their lives-- this rhetoric is falling on deaf ears. We are all the same and believe me no one cares about whining. The one thing that can be changed is to find people who help minorities rebuild infrastructure and triple down on thwarting drugs and crime. I think Trump is the guy who can help. Obama should've been the guy to do this he had two terms and if anything he went backwards

Then why would minorities vote for a guy who courts racists, why would they vote for a guy who supports the NRA who does nothing but help flood the inner cities with guns...Why would you vote for a guy who doesn't know what the nuclear triad is?? Why would you vote for a guy who thought Democratic VP candidate Tim Kaine, was the former Governor of New Jersey, a neighboring state of his, where he does business, no less...Why would you vote for a guy who admits he doesn't like to read...There are lots of reading that goes with running the free world..Why would you vote or trust a guy who has flipped on every issue multiple times, sometimes in the same day...He has a guy who was pressuring women to sleep with him because he was their boss, advising his campaign..You have daughters who will work one day?? He has another guy who peddle racist propaganda on the internet helping his campaign..He wife plagiarize during a speech for the highest, most honored, office in the land...This is befuddling...

because this is your other option

I'm not a big fan of the Clintons. They flip too easily...Hillary was against going into Iraq but voted for it after the Bush administration used the "patriotism" pressure the country was feeling at the time to get the legislation passed...Hillary let Bernie flip her on TPP, which was dumb...It's always the case with the Clintons..But if you are really interested, which I don't think you are, Hillary has a history of working with, and for minorities. It began out of law school while working for a black lawyer, she went undercover to uncover segregation of schools in the South. There is more I can say but I know you don't care. Your right winged views are your views...

Remember the term wilding??..But here is a quick story behind "super predator" term:

holfresh wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

Nalod wrote:"no thank you" is a cop out!!!!

Supreme court justices, likely two hangs in the balance. That does filter down to our every day lives.
The court on Wednesday split on N.C. discriminatory actions to limit minority voting. If Scalia was alive, it would likey have stood.
Few things scare me more than the far swing to the right.

Yes, Hilary has made a money grab. Get in line.
Where was all this outrage when the Bush Family was raking in the cash?
This all about a women doing things men have been doing for decades and we want some sweet grandma "Barbara Bush" type women?
Think Bengazi is the first embassy we ever lost? Far from it. Its the first that we went on a bipartisan witch hunt on.
Im not a raving Hilary lover but if she is "crooked" then Trump is 10x worse!

BTW, he lost me when he slammed John McCain and called him a "Loser" for getting captured in war. Most disgusting think I ever heard a candidate every say!
When some disillusioned Purple heart recipient gave his metal to Trump he said "Cool, I always wanted one of these"!!! That is wrong as so many levels.
Trump is the guy that got out of Vietnam by a sham docter letter. That's ok, but don't take another mans metal!!!
This guy is rotten to the core.
Made fun of a disfigured reporter? He looked like a dumb teenager in need of maturity! Not a 70 year old man of "substance".
Bans reporters from papers with a history of fact checking?

Obama was gonna take your guns. Didn't happen. Obama was gonna take the Ammo. Prices went up. Gun dudes fall for this crap all the time. president can't take away a constitutional amendment.
ChickenSHyt NRA pansies now blasting that rhetoric? How many times we going to get taken by that lobby?

Nothing Hilary has done even comes close to what this guy is about!
No doubt its a Shyt Show but a 25billion dollar wall cheered by ignorant white uneducated gun lovers who fall for fear mongering crap over and over is validation enough for me that I can't vote for trump and if you don't vote for Hilary you might end up with him!

Stand up and vote for the democracy. This country has never been perfect but we cannot succumb to fearful ignorance and a right wing agenda that moves us away from the beacon of light that is our constitution!!!!!
We are a country of compassion and justice, not "America First".

I disagree that Trump is more dangerous than Hillary. Most of the problems this country faces began or were accelerated during the Clinton presidency. Policies which Secretary Clinton fully supported at the time. Someone who took a very visible role in her husband's administration. No traditional first lady was she (yoda)

Even though she has reversed herself on the TPP, the head of her campaign and her pick for VP are ardent supporters for this trade pack. If it passes the Supreme Court will take a back seat to 3 corporate lawyers who will decide any lawsuit brought by a corporation against the US, and the US govt will not have any recourse. Its effectively ceding control of our govt to multi-national corporations. Trump is against the trade pack, Clinton I guarantee will support it again when elected. They both present horrific problems for this country if elected.

The crime bill was horrible I agree..But you can't hide from globalization. You either write the rules of the road or have it written for you. In a decade, 4 of the 5 largest economies on the planet will be in Asia. It's time to pivot away from the Middle East towards Asia if we are going to remain a global power. I worry that people like Bernie Sanders and Donald Trump are short sighted in this manner. They play on people's fears. None of Bernie's proposals were possible. One estimate that all of Bernie's programs proposals would cost over 30 trillion dollars. Please reread the merits of NAFTA and you will see we are well ahead of the game in that trade deal. Listen, I get that some people will lose their jobs, that's a given. Estimates are that 45% of the jobs will be gone in a decade due to automation and robots. Taxi drivers and truck drivers won't be around in a decade...We can stand around and play the protectionist game and let it happen or write the rules of the road to unsure we have a seat at the table and tilt the balance in our direction...

holfresh, re: TPP, Obama was on Fareed Zakaria's show Sunday morning and I think he mentioned that 4 out of 5 stat. Got to admit, it made me think if I should rethink support for the TPP. I don't know... I remember being in a supermarket union in high school after school job in 90-92, the newspaper warned against NAFTA and non-union shops like Walmart. Have to say a lot of what they warned re: jobs came true, but it was also alreading happening since the 70s. I see the need to counter the strength of China but who knows how it will really shake out. Bottom line these issues are above my paygrade.