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StarksEwing1
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6/22/2016  5:40 PM
Gudris wrote:I like this trade, all he have to do is a pass a ball to KP and we are in playoffs :)
its a better trade if we are guaranteed he will be healthy. The problem with Rose is that since 2012 he is probably the most injury prone
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6/22/2016  5:41 PM
DrAlphaeus wrote:When do we bring up Rose's legal issues?

First day of training camp is when the case has its next hearing.
EnySpree: Can we agree to agree not to mention Phil Jackson and triangle for the rest of our lives?
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6/22/2016  5:43 PM
Let me remind everyone that Grant was a late 1st round pick. You'd think he was a lottery pick with the way everyone is crying about losing him. What PG picked post-lottery became a significant player other than Rondo who was the ultimate diamond in the rough?
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6/22/2016  5:44 PM
gunsnewing wrote:
Nalod wrote:Can't wait to see Steven A.'s head explode. Does he love the deal, or hate it with a passion of epic proportions?
No shrugging the shoulders for him!!!!

I'm sure he loves it for all the wrong starphuch reasons

He's on Kay right now. He says it's an upgrade but Rose isn't what he used to be. Still unimpressed with Phil Jackson until he brings a marquee player, which I'm assuming he doesn't think Rose is at this point.

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6/22/2016  5:44 PM    LAST EDITED: 6/22/2016  5:45 PM
shinmen wrote:Pleaaase Nooooo! I Hate this trade.

The knicks lost a promising rookie and will miss terribly Lopez. He was the best screen setter of the team, he blocked on rebounds, provided good defense and proved he could score a bit.
He helped KP a lot.

At best, Rose will break down in January and we will be a lottery team with a pick.
At worst, he'll be healthy, command a max and break down the day after. Amare all over again.

We got bamboozled AGAIN.


No one got bamboozeled! As was explained earlier, this is a move with High Reward and low Risk. If things implode, Rose comes off the books and we have our pick next year as well. So we would have plenty of cap space in a great Free Agent class. There isn't much downside for the Knicks.

The big thing is that Hornacek is having a MASSIVE impact on the construction of this team. If anyone was wondering how Phil would work with his coach, this pretty much tells you he's gonna give him all the support he can to make Hornacek's vision come true. Doesn't seem like Phil has resisted what Horny is looking to do.
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6/22/2016  5:45 PM
rose couldnt sign an extension could he? a fear i have is if they went and extended the guy early.
GO TEAM VENTURE!!!!!
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6/22/2016  5:46 PM
ChuckBuck wrote:
RonRon wrote:would much rather have a Bayless, Augustine or some CHEAP UFA PG than gamble with Rose's max salary

1 year rental, we'll have $60 million in cap space next summer(if Phil only signs 1 year deals) to put our chips in the middle of the pot:

http://hoopshype.com/2016/05/14/nba-free-agency-2017-the-top-players/

Figured you'd like the deal. This is he kind of forward thinking/long term planning/Anti-Knick move we were hoping for over lipstick on a pig
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6/22/2016  5:46 PM
TRADE WAS an hour ago and already like 10 pgs
you gatta love it
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6/22/2016  5:46 PM
gunsnewing wrote:Let me remind everyone that Grant was a late 1st round pick. You'd think he was a lottery pick with the way everyone is crying about losing him. What PG picked post-lottery became a significant player other than Rondo who was the ultimate diamond in the rough?
nobody is crying however i think some are discarding grant. I dont think he will ever be a all star but i think he will be a pretty good starting point guard who is on a rookie deal. I didnt mind trading him BUT i dont like the return. I like rose but he is so injury prone and he is only here a year probably
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6/22/2016  5:50 PM
The real question is which guards are the Knicks targeting. My guess is that Horny already has a list ready to go for the draft and free agency. This is gonna be interesting and fun.
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6/22/2016  5:51 PM
GustavBahler wrote:KP would have been better served IMO with more continuity. Build a team that will attract FAs, this roster is being gutted without knowing who will fill the void for the next few seasons.

We havent had a decent frontcourt in more than a decade, thats gone, who will replace Rolo? He is one of the best defensive centers in the league, in his prime. Howard and his passive aggressive BS? Another retread? Is that really going to help KP's development?

Pau/Noah are far better defenders and impact the game in more ways like passing than Lopez ever will in the same 25mins.

And they are not slow and lumbering on the offensive end.
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6/22/2016  5:53 PM
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GustavBahler wrote:KP would have been better served IMO with more continuity. Build a team that will attract FAs, this roster is being gutted without knowing who will fill the void for the next few seasons.

We havent had a decent frontcourt in more than a decade, thats gone, who will replace Rolo? He is one of the best defensive centers in the league, in his prime. Howard and his passive aggressive BS? Another retread? Is that really going to help KP's development?

Pau/Noah are far better defenders and impact the game in more ways like passing than Lopez ever will in the same 25mins.

And they are not slow and lumbering on the offensive end.

the problem with the trade is that we needed more than one year of rose. A future first would have made it a better deal
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6/22/2016  5:56 PM
djsunyc wrote:i dont belive that starters are 1 year rentals bc whethet he is ok and you resign him or terrible and you need to replace him, the starting pg spot will now cost you $15-25 mil in the summer 2017. you also just dealt your starting center at $15 mil which will cost you the same or more this summer or next. having players you want to start on rookie deals will be like gold in this cba. you ineffect will have to pay $30-40 mil for two positions so theres no such thing as rental. now i dont know grant or how he is as a player but using the triangle to judgr any pg is a disservice to the pg.

Rather pay a Pau or Noah that kind of money short term than another 3yrs of Lopez at $15mil per.

That's what I wanted to do before with signed Lopez. I was shocked we have him 4yrs. I was hoping for a Vet like West for 2
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6/22/2016  5:56 PM
StarksEwing1 wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:KP would have been better served IMO with more continuity. Build a team that will attract FAs, this roster is being gutted without knowing who will fill the void for the next few seasons.

We havent had a decent frontcourt in more than a decade, thats gone, who will replace Rolo? He is one of the best defensive centers in the league, in his prime. Howard and his passive aggressive BS? Another retread? Is that really going to help KP's development?

Pau/Noah are far better defenders and impact the game in more ways like passing than Lopez ever will in the same 25mins.

And they are not slow and lumbering on the offensive end.

the problem with the trade is that we needed more than one year of rose. A future first would have made it a better deal

Sure it would've made it a very lopsided deal for the Knicks to get a 1st. We already will have MASSIVE cap space if Rose doesn't work out.
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6/22/2016  5:59 PM
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SocraticBallin22 wrote:For those who are not aware, point guards like Westbrook, Curry, Paul and Lowry will be unrestricted free agents in 2017 and we will have 60 million dollars of cap space after this deal (and we only gave up Rolo and Grant). Winning!

We had plenty of cap space for LeBron in 2010. How did that work out for us? Just because we have cap space doesnt necessarily mean that we will attract the best FAs.

Beats missing the playoffs 3 straight years with no pick and limited cap space!
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6/22/2016  6:00 PM
ChuckBuck wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:
SocraticBallin22 wrote:For those who are not aware, point guards like Westbrook, Curry, Paul and Lowry will be unrestricted free agents in 2017 and we will have 60 million dollars of cap space after this deal (and we only gave up Rolo and Grant). Winning!

We had plenty of cap space for LeBron in 2010. How did that work out for us? Just because we have cap space doesnt necessarily mean that we will attract the best FAs.

Look at the pool though.

http://hoopshype.com/2016/05/14/nba-free-agency-2017-the-top-players/

If we strike out on Curry, CP3, and Westbrook you wouldn't still jizz yourself ending up with Gordon Hayward and Greek Freak?!

Good god. We are bound to get someone significant if we don't screw up by adding long term salary like Calderon & Lopez again!
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6/22/2016  6:00 PM
knicks1248 wrote:hope they GOT A BACK UP PG PLAN

Jeremiah Lin
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6/22/2016  6:02 PM
MaTT4281 wrote:I do think it's interesting that most of Phil's moves have been hidden from the media until it actually happens (see Hornacek, Rolo, Afflalo, KP, THJ/Grant trade, etc.). The Rose talk was leaked last week.

*Disclaimer* I still think Phil's in charge, just wondering where the leak came from.

Hmmmm interesting
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6/22/2016  6:05 PM
gunsnewing wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:KP would have been better served IMO with more continuity. Build a team that will attract FAs, this roster is being gutted without knowing who will fill the void for the next few seasons.

We havent had a decent frontcourt in more than a decade, thats gone, who will replace Rolo? He is one of the best defensive centers in the league, in his prime. Howard and his passive aggressive BS? Another retread? Is that really going to help KP's development?

Pau/Noah are far better defenders and impact the game in more ways like passing than Lopez ever will in the same 25mins.

And they are not slow and lumbering on the offensive end.


Pau was a terrible on defense last year and Noah is regressing due to all of the injuries he's had. None of these guys are great rim protectors, but I think Looez has a few less miles on the engine. I'm intrigued by Noah, but i wouldnt count on him providing more than 28 mins a game over the regular season. That means KOQ will need to step big time if the Knicks lean toward Howard, Noah or Pau.
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gunsnewing wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:KP would have been better served IMO with more continuity. Build a team that will attract FAs, this roster is being gutted without knowing who will fill the void for the next few seasons.

We havent had a decent frontcourt in more than a decade, thats gone, who will replace Rolo? He is one of the best defensive centers in the league, in his prime. Howard and his passive aggressive BS? Another retread? Is that really going to help KP's development?

Pau/Noah are far better defenders and impact the game in more ways like passing than Lopez ever will in the same 25mins.

And they are not slow and lumbering on the offensive end.

At one time they were, not anymore. Did you watch the games this season? Lopez was very effective in the paint offensively, had monster games for us on offense. His interior defense has been among the best in the league.
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