crzymdups wrote:

newyorker4ever wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

mreinman wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

mreinman wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

fishmike wrote:THE MEDIA GETS IT RIGHT AGAIN!!!!!

There are few things I really revel in, but watching the NY media totally whiff is utterly enjoyable. It was Rambis all along!

Super interesting is the triangle understory.

I can honestly see this:
Phil and Jeff meet extensively. They quickly find a chemistry, and regardless of potential differences in BB philosophy they can both immediately tell that communication will be good. Jeff says "Phil... I know your system. Trust me nobody knows it better than I do! But here is your roster, and if I had the same team I would have won 50 games and here is how. They spend the next 2 hours drinking beers talking the chess of basketball. Phil is smitten, but cool and remains reserved. Phil goes to Montana and shrooms. Day two its moonshine. Day three Maryjane comes and steals the hangover away. With the cleansing golden trifecta of clear thought having opened his mind he calls Jeff and says "Lets make this happen."

I like this. Out of the box. Great hoops guy. Uber high IQ player. Really cant wait to hear about the offense he's gonna run and if Rambis is on the staff in any capacity more than a player development guy.

I could see your version being close... though he met Hornacek this Monday in LA after his vacation. Maybe they met before and it was a second meeting? Regardless, according to Beck they knew and respected one another.

Most interesting part to me is that Hornacek was told that he wouldn't be forced to run the Triangle (according to JVG, who I trust to be right). Was Phil's trip to Montana a chance to reflect that winning should take precedence to winning with the Triangle (always my main issue with Phil)? I do think there's still a very strong chance he proposed Rambis as an option and was shot down. Blatt was maybe too much a Mills guy, Vogel who knows how they clicked or not, Hornacek is clearly a smart guy and Phil maybe thinks they have a rapport and can work together. Triangle secondary? He said as recently at the end of the season that it'd be pretty important to run the Triangle.

Hornacek's coach Sloan and the Jazz ran a lot of pick and roll, but used a lot of flex action out of the post that had system dictated cuts. The shooting guard (Hornacek) was just as important in initiating offense as the PG (Stockton, though Stockton racked up a ton of assists running the pick and roll with Malone). Sloan and Phil also had a ton of respect for one another. I'm guessing Phil and Hornacek bonded over the system basketball of the Triangle and Jerry Sloan and can find some sort of middle ground that incorporates both.

Hey, I'm glad Phil went outside his coaching tree and may be ready to let go of the Triangle or bust philosophy that some assumed he operated on.

I think this is a good hire that has the potential to be a great hire. I like it. As I said when we thought Walton had a shot to be the coach - I'm all for modernizing the Triangle. THAT is what the Warriors did. The Warriors don't run the 1992 Bulls Triangle - they run their own flavor based on the personnel they have. I think Hornacek is smart enough to adapt to the personnel he has, as he showed in PHX with the two PG attack he created there. I'm cautiously excited.

Also, NOW we can start talking about pieces and guys to target in the draft and free agency. Because we have an idea of who the coach is and what that might look like.

I'd be very on board to add a Brandon Jennings for the way Hornacek coaches. Jennings and Bazemore would be a nice off-season

you had me until you mentioned BJ

what can I say? I think that kid would be good in NY. I know he's not hyper efficient, but there aren't a ton of efficient guards in FA and we don't have a draft pick.

Give Jennings a 2 year "show me" deal $10M in year one, team option for $12M in year two.

I would rather seth curry at that price.

According to Hahn "big guards" will be focus? Batum? Courtney Lee? Bazemore? Who knows.

Ohhhh.. Evan Turner, too. That name keeps cropping up. I bet we give Evan Turner $12M at least. I kiiiiinda like him. I go back and forth. He killed the Knicks a few times this year, for sure.

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Do not count Rondo out.....shouldn't you be way too busy eating crow to be on the message board already??

Why because I didn't want Rambis and said it would be a terrible hire? Apparently Phil agreed.

Yep that's all you said.....IN EVERY SINGLE THREAD ON THIS BOARD WHETHER IT WAS A RAMBIS THREAD OR A THREAD ABOUT SOMETHING THAT HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH RAMBIS. You took it waaayyyyy further than most others that didn't want Rambis which i think was like 98% of this board. You hated on not only Phil and Rambis but you hated on the people on here that weren't as against as you. But it was all for nothing because you were wrong.

crzymdups wrote:

newyorker4ever wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

mreinman wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

mreinman wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

fishmike wrote:THE MEDIA GETS IT RIGHT AGAIN!!!!!

There are few things I really revel in, but watching the NY media totally whiff is utterly enjoyable. It was Rambis all along!

Super interesting is the triangle understory.

I can honestly see this:
Phil and Jeff meet extensively. They quickly find a chemistry, and regardless of potential differences in BB philosophy they can both immediately tell that communication will be good. Jeff says "Phil... I know your system. Trust me nobody knows it better than I do! But here is your roster, and if I had the same team I would have won 50 games and here is how. They spend the next 2 hours drinking beers talking the chess of basketball. Phil is smitten, but cool and remains reserved. Phil goes to Montana and shrooms. Day two its moonshine. Day three Maryjane comes and steals the hangover away. With the cleansing golden trifecta of clear thought having opened his mind he calls Jeff and says "Lets make this happen."

I like this. Out of the box. Great hoops guy. Uber high IQ player. Really cant wait to hear about the offense he's gonna run and if Rambis is on the staff in any capacity more than a player development guy.

I could see your version being close... though he met Hornacek this Monday in LA after his vacation. Maybe they met before and it was a second meeting? Regardless, according to Beck they knew and respected one another.

Most interesting part to me is that Hornacek was told that he wouldn't be forced to run the Triangle (according to JVG, who I trust to be right). Was Phil's trip to Montana a chance to reflect that winning should take precedence to winning with the Triangle (always my main issue with Phil)? I do think there's still a very strong chance he proposed Rambis as an option and was shot down. Blatt was maybe too much a Mills guy, Vogel who knows how they clicked or not, Hornacek is clearly a smart guy and Phil maybe thinks they have a rapport and can work together. Triangle secondary? He said as recently at the end of the season that it'd be pretty important to run the Triangle.

Hornacek's coach Sloan and the Jazz ran a lot of pick and roll, but used a lot of flex action out of the post that had system dictated cuts. The shooting guard (Hornacek) was just as important in initiating offense as the PG (Stockton, though Stockton racked up a ton of assists running the pick and roll with Malone). Sloan and Phil also had a ton of respect for one another. I'm guessing Phil and Hornacek bonded over the system basketball of the Triangle and Jerry Sloan and can find some sort of middle ground that incorporates both.

Hey, I'm glad Phil went outside his coaching tree and may be ready to let go of the Triangle or bust philosophy that some assumed he operated on.

I think this is a good hire that has the potential to be a great hire. I like it. As I said when we thought Walton had a shot to be the coach - I'm all for modernizing the Triangle. THAT is what the Warriors did. The Warriors don't run the 1992 Bulls Triangle - they run their own flavor based on the personnel they have. I think Hornacek is smart enough to adapt to the personnel he has, as he showed in PHX with the two PG attack he created there. I'm cautiously excited.

Also, NOW we can start talking about pieces and guys to target in the draft and free agency. Because we have an idea of who the coach is and what that might look like.

I'd be very on board to add a Brandon Jennings for the way Hornacek coaches. Jennings and Bazemore would be a nice off-season

you had me until you mentioned BJ

what can I say? I think that kid would be good in NY. I know he's not hyper efficient, but there aren't a ton of efficient guards in FA and we don't have a draft pick.

Give Jennings a 2 year "show me" deal $10M in year one, team option for $12M in year two.

I would rather seth curry at that price.

According to Hahn "big guards" will be focus? Batum? Courtney Lee? Bazemore? Who knows.

Ohhhh.. Evan Turner, too. That name keeps cropping up. I bet we give Evan Turner $12M at least. I kiiiiinda like him. I go back and forth. He killed the Knicks a few times this year, for sure.

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Do not count Rondo out.....shouldn't you be way too busy eating crow to be on the message board already??

Why because I didn't want Rambis and said it would be a terrible hire? Apparently Phil agreed.

i think it's because you ripped phil's search with no facts, just heresay - as usual in ny, the media got it wrong. everyone who's been here long enough, knows you're a good poster, but you went off the deep-end for a little. there's nothing wrong with it, but to boil it down to you thinking "rambis would be a terrible hire" is kinda glossing over everything else you said. you even called many here rambis supporters when i still don't know who was one, just people who were open to phil hiring whoever he thought his guy was. as a poster, there are many here that respect you greatly, and rightfully so (i'm one of them), but you gotta own up to this one.

gunsnewing wrote:Defense is how we won some games with Woodson with bad players. Offense is Dantoni and <30 win seasons

no. woodson won with super super small ball. Offense was why we won.

knicks1248 wrote:

blkexec wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

blkexec wrote:

newyorker4ever wrote:

nixluva wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:If Phil was going to abort the triangle I wish he had done it when Thibs was available and wanted the job. But Phil wasn't being forced to search for a coach at the time. He was good with Rambis

At this point we don't even know if they're completely ditching the Triangle. It's too early to say what Jeff plans on doing. Let's wait and see what he says his plan is. Whatever he settles on let's just hope the team wins. That's all that matters.

As for this notion that Phil is being forced to do anything, I think that's really showing you have a bias towards Phil. Why would Dolan need to force Phil to do anything? It would have to be Dolan cuz no one else has the authority to "force" Phil to do anything. So what is the rationale for Dolan interfering on that level?

It's time for all the people that have been hating on Phil this whole off season and for some since he's been with the Knicks to get behind this hire and the Knicks if you really are a TRUE Knicks fan. Phil has hired his guy or almost anyway and he's built our front court and will be building our back court next but Hornacek isn't going anywhere for a while so throw all your hate aside and be a TRUE Knicks fan and get behind what Phil is doing. The haters have been crying all off season on here about how they know he's gonna hire Rambis as our next head coach, well he didn't do it and of course now those haters are gonna assume that Dolan blocked him from hiring Rambis which is something those people will NEVER know if that is true but even that, you guys should just let it be cause who really gives a crap if it were true.

If you really are a Knicks fan then you should show it and get behind your team and show you're a real Knicks fan and not just someone that loves to hate on everything Knicks which is pretty clear that some certain people on here do. As soon as one thing you're hating on goes away you quickly find the next thing to hate on.

The hate problems that people have goes way beyond being a knick fan......Don't waste your time trying to fix people that aren't fixable.....Some people will go into their grave hating everything that walks. Some people only see the glass half empty. So they will always find something to complain about. I know this as a fact, because I was that type, until I woke up and realized that same glass is also half full.

Unwavering optimism is one thing. It's to be commended in the face of dire circumstances like the Knicks where we have absolutely nothing to root for (Except KP).

Trust in Phil, trust his resume, blah blah blah...nothing in his Knicks tenure inspires confidence. Time for a true rebuild, tear down, renovation....what does he do? He signs Melo to a max contract with a No Trade Clause.

We need cerebral triangle players that fit into what we're doing...what does he do? Trades for Sam Dalembert and Jose Calderon, one of the most useless moves in team history.

We need to get rid of angry Shumpert and Doe eyed JR Smith to cleanse the team proper...what do we get? Absolute dog shyt in return.

3 years of Phil and we still don't have an NBA backcourt....but Melo is playing the most unselfish ball of his career though! Thank God for those 32 wins! Makes missing that draft pick that much easier to stomach...

Phil has found his simpatico and his name is Horny...UH, what happened to that thing called the triangle again???

Chuck, I agree....Phil has some very questionable moves......But Phil didn't hire himself, it was Dolan that hired a rookie GM. So as any rookie on the job, there will be mistakes.

For example, if your little boy tries to walk, and he keeps falling, do you yell at him, give up on him, and just say he will never walk. He hasn't walked in a year so lets just throw him away and make another little boy and hope he can walk.

I think your attention is focused on the wrong problem. Phil is a rookie and he's still a rookie, so he will make mistakes. Dolan is no rookie, but he continues to hire GM's like Isiah and Phil with limited GM experience.

But again, what you've pointed out is correct.....Phil has made some questionable moves (glass half empty). Now try and look at the half full side and you can see this ship is moving in a direction that might be better than where we came from. Thats the only difference between you and Nix as an example. Both passionate fans with different outlooks. But Phil isn't the problem, it's Dolan. For now, it is what it is.....Knicks for life

Dolan is not the problem, look at what isiah has done for the LIBERTY, walsh is a solid stand up guy, and phil hss a basketball coaching pedigree thst makes him look pretty damn good.

If anything, Dolan has giving these guys position to that should propel them to new heights, and bring a marquee franchise to the top, is it really his fault for the sht they do.

It's really not easy in NY, and I'm not making excuses, but phil has not been close to what we all expected, and im sick of pushing the reset button every off season

I think Dolan is the problem. He Neutered Walsh and Grunwald, I'd even say he meddled big with Layden (Neophyte new GM as he was had no history of doing big starphuch dyss deal, but DOlan has)he empowered Isiah with financial stupidity, and to me was the architect of Amare and Melo. Walsh has not basis or history of such deals.

Phil changed the thinking, and if so, we can't expect the same old thing as the past. If he screws up, they are new and fresh ones! But, few except the media and its gullible minions really expected miricles and perfections.

nyk4ever wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

newyorker4ever wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

mreinman wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

mreinman wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

fishmike wrote:THE MEDIA GETS IT RIGHT AGAIN!!!!!

There are few things I really revel in, but watching the NY media totally whiff is utterly enjoyable. It was Rambis all along!

Super interesting is the triangle understory.

I can honestly see this:
Phil and Jeff meet extensively. They quickly find a chemistry, and regardless of potential differences in BB philosophy they can both immediately tell that communication will be good. Jeff says "Phil... I know your system. Trust me nobody knows it better than I do! But here is your roster, and if I had the same team I would have won 50 games and here is how. They spend the next 2 hours drinking beers talking the chess of basketball. Phil is smitten, but cool and remains reserved. Phil goes to Montana and shrooms. Day two its moonshine. Day three Maryjane comes and steals the hangover away. With the cleansing golden trifecta of clear thought having opened his mind he calls Jeff and says "Lets make this happen."

I like this. Out of the box. Great hoops guy. Uber high IQ player. Really cant wait to hear about the offense he's gonna run and if Rambis is on the staff in any capacity more than a player development guy.

I could see your version being close... though he met Hornacek this Monday in LA after his vacation. Maybe they met before and it was a second meeting? Regardless, according to Beck they knew and respected one another.

Most interesting part to me is that Hornacek was told that he wouldn't be forced to run the Triangle (according to JVG, who I trust to be right). Was Phil's trip to Montana a chance to reflect that winning should take precedence to winning with the Triangle (always my main issue with Phil)? I do think there's still a very strong chance he proposed Rambis as an option and was shot down. Blatt was maybe too much a Mills guy, Vogel who knows how they clicked or not, Hornacek is clearly a smart guy and Phil maybe thinks they have a rapport and can work together. Triangle secondary? He said as recently at the end of the season that it'd be pretty important to run the Triangle.

Hornacek's coach Sloan and the Jazz ran a lot of pick and roll, but used a lot of flex action out of the post that had system dictated cuts. The shooting guard (Hornacek) was just as important in initiating offense as the PG (Stockton, though Stockton racked up a ton of assists running the pick and roll with Malone). Sloan and Phil also had a ton of respect for one another. I'm guessing Phil and Hornacek bonded over the system basketball of the Triangle and Jerry Sloan and can find some sort of middle ground that incorporates both.

Hey, I'm glad Phil went outside his coaching tree and may be ready to let go of the Triangle or bust philosophy that some assumed he operated on.

I think this is a good hire that has the potential to be a great hire. I like it. As I said when we thought Walton had a shot to be the coach - I'm all for modernizing the Triangle. THAT is what the Warriors did. The Warriors don't run the 1992 Bulls Triangle - they run their own flavor based on the personnel they have. I think Hornacek is smart enough to adapt to the personnel he has, as he showed in PHX with the two PG attack he created there. I'm cautiously excited.

Also, NOW we can start talking about pieces and guys to target in the draft and free agency. Because we have an idea of who the coach is and what that might look like.

I'd be very on board to add a Brandon Jennings for the way Hornacek coaches. Jennings and Bazemore would be a nice off-season

you had me until you mentioned BJ

what can I say? I think that kid would be good in NY. I know he's not hyper efficient, but there aren't a ton of efficient guards in FA and we don't have a draft pick.

Give Jennings a 2 year "show me" deal $10M in year one, team option for $12M in year two.

I would rather seth curry at that price.

According to Hahn "big guards" will be focus? Batum? Courtney Lee? Bazemore? Who knows.

Ohhhh.. Evan Turner, too. That name keeps cropping up. I bet we give Evan Turner $12M at least. I kiiiiinda like him. I go back and forth. He killed the Knicks a few times this year, for sure.

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Do not count Rondo out.....shouldn't you be way too busy eating crow to be on the message board already??

Why because I didn't want Rambis and said it would be a terrible hire? Apparently Phil agreed.

i think it's because you ripped phil's search with no facts, just heresay - as usual in ny, the media got it wrong. everyone who's been here long enough, knows you're a good poster, but you went off the deep-end for a little. there's nothing wrong with it, but to boil it down to you thinking "rambis would be a terrible hire" is kinda glossing over everything else you said. you even called many here rambis supporters when i still don't know who was one, just people who were open to phil hiring whoever he thought his guy was. as a poster, there are many here that respect you greatly, and rightfully so (i'm one of them), but you gotta own up to this one.

True - I lost my mind for a little bit. I know it wasn't pretty. I just feared Rambis ruining everything from KP to Grant to Melo. I apologize. I feel like the only other time I lost my **** that much was when I saw the Lin situation blowing up. My bad.

gunsnewing wrote:

mreinman wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:Defense is how we won some games with Woodson with bad players. Offense is Dantoni and <30 win seasons

no. woodson won with super super small ball. Offense was why we won.

I wasn't think in terms of the 54win of course that season was propelled by Kidd. I was referring to the year prior and even the 37win team since we went from 37 to 17 to however many games we won this season after spending mostly all of our cap money. The offense was crap but we still played some resemblance of NBA defense which led to more wins. A defensive foundation with defensive minded players is not a bad thing. Even if they are flawed like Tyson and Shumpert

Props for consistency

crzymdups wrote:

nyk4ever wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

newyorker4ever wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

mreinman wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

mreinman wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

fishmike wrote:THE MEDIA GETS IT RIGHT AGAIN!!!!!

There are few things I really revel in, but watching the NY media totally whiff is utterly enjoyable. It was Rambis all along!

Super interesting is the triangle understory.

I can honestly see this:
Phil and Jeff meet extensively. They quickly find a chemistry, and regardless of potential differences in BB philosophy they can both immediately tell that communication will be good. Jeff says "Phil... I know your system. Trust me nobody knows it better than I do! But here is your roster, and if I had the same team I would have won 50 games and here is how. They spend the next 2 hours drinking beers talking the chess of basketball. Phil is smitten, but cool and remains reserved. Phil goes to Montana and shrooms. Day two its moonshine. Day three Maryjane comes and steals the hangover away. With the cleansing golden trifecta of clear thought having opened his mind he calls Jeff and says "Lets make this happen."

I like this. Out of the box. Great hoops guy. Uber high IQ player. Really cant wait to hear about the offense he's gonna run and if Rambis is on the staff in any capacity more than a player development guy.

I could see your version being close... though he met Hornacek this Monday in LA after his vacation. Maybe they met before and it was a second meeting? Regardless, according to Beck they knew and respected one another.

Most interesting part to me is that Hornacek was told that he wouldn't be forced to run the Triangle (according to JVG, who I trust to be right). Was Phil's trip to Montana a chance to reflect that winning should take precedence to winning with the Triangle (always my main issue with Phil)? I do think there's still a very strong chance he proposed Rambis as an option and was shot down. Blatt was maybe too much a Mills guy, Vogel who knows how they clicked or not, Hornacek is clearly a smart guy and Phil maybe thinks they have a rapport and can work together. Triangle secondary? He said as recently at the end of the season that it'd be pretty important to run the Triangle.

Hornacek's coach Sloan and the Jazz ran a lot of pick and roll, but used a lot of flex action out of the post that had system dictated cuts. The shooting guard (Hornacek) was just as important in initiating offense as the PG (Stockton, though Stockton racked up a ton of assists running the pick and roll with Malone). Sloan and Phil also had a ton of respect for one another. I'm guessing Phil and Hornacek bonded over the system basketball of the Triangle and Jerry Sloan and can find some sort of middle ground that incorporates both.

Hey, I'm glad Phil went outside his coaching tree and may be ready to let go of the Triangle or bust philosophy that some assumed he operated on.

I think this is a good hire that has the potential to be a great hire. I like it. As I said when we thought Walton had a shot to be the coach - I'm all for modernizing the Triangle. THAT is what the Warriors did. The Warriors don't run the 1992 Bulls Triangle - they run their own flavor based on the personnel they have. I think Hornacek is smart enough to adapt to the personnel he has, as he showed in PHX with the two PG attack he created there. I'm cautiously excited.

Also, NOW we can start talking about pieces and guys to target in the draft and free agency. Because we have an idea of who the coach is and what that might look like.

I'd be very on board to add a Brandon Jennings for the way Hornacek coaches. Jennings and Bazemore would be a nice off-season

you had me until you mentioned BJ

what can I say? I think that kid would be good in NY. I know he's not hyper efficient, but there aren't a ton of efficient guards in FA and we don't have a draft pick.

Give Jennings a 2 year "show me" deal $10M in year one, team option for $12M in year two.

I would rather seth curry at that price.

According to Hahn "big guards" will be focus? Batum? Courtney Lee? Bazemore? Who knows.

Ohhhh.. Evan Turner, too. That name keeps cropping up. I bet we give Evan Turner $12M at least. I kiiiiinda like him. I go back and forth. He killed the Knicks a few times this year, for sure.

Tweet was deleted or there was problem with the URL:

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Do not count Rondo out.....shouldn't you be way too busy eating crow to be on the message board already??

Why because I didn't want Rambis and said it would be a terrible hire? Apparently Phil agreed.

i think it's because you ripped phil's search with no facts, just heresay - as usual in ny, the media got it wrong. everyone who's been here long enough, knows you're a good poster, but you went off the deep-end for a little. there's nothing wrong with it, but to boil it down to you thinking "rambis would be a terrible hire" is kinda glossing over everything else you said. you even called many here rambis supporters when i still don't know who was one, just people who were open to phil hiring whoever he thought his guy was. as a poster, there are many here that respect you greatly, and rightfully so (i'm one of them), but you gotta own up to this one.

True - I lost my mind for a little bit. I know it wasn't pretty. I just feared Rambis ruining everything from KP to Grant to Melo. I apologize. I feel like the only other time I lost my **** that much was when I saw the Lin situation blowing up. My bad.

Hugging it out!!!!!! Welcome back!

If we are going to win with offense we are going to have to be flawless. I think you can in that way but do we have the players to play that way? We've been searching for those elusive high IQ players for damn near 15yrs. I'm cautiously optimistic that Hornacek can coach defense and. It just offense like Dantoni. Especially since he was a gritty defensive minded player. There was little defense in PHX but maybe he made the most out of what he had on that roster 2yrs ago. I hope he can adapt to some of the players we have hear who make the effort to defend. Like KP and Lopez for the most part.

This can be a home run signing by the Knicks of it can be another season of watching low IQ offensive players who can't hit an open jumper and bottom dwellers defensively. I guess the one thing I'm kinda bummed about is that this signing took away the aurora Me and others had about Phil taking over and establishing team ball, continuity and a winning culture.

That's why I have been patient with Phil despite all the boneheaded moves like Calderon. So I am hopeful that Phil and Horny do share a lot of come ground principles both offensively and defensively. If we are moving away from Phils philosophies, the triangle and the 11 rings completely then I'm not so confident about Phil as a GM/President. When we hired him I said I would give him some leeway while he learned how to be a GM in today's nba with the assumption that his acomplishments and knowing what it takes to build a consistent winning culture would get this ship righted eventually.

Now I'm unsure if Phil is the guy to be making roster decisions that will impact the next 5yrs like maxing out over the hill players. The same kind of patchwork we've seen over the past 15yrs. I don't know if Phil plans on seeing this through now or chooses to hang it up and work for LA in some capacity. Like Walsh did when he returned to Indiana after being forced out by Dolan.

Maybe this is for the better. Maybe Hornacek can establish a winning culture like Kerr but is Mills the right GM? Will we draft a player of the caliber of Stephen Curry to run and grow with KP for the next 15yrs? Or do we go through enough decade of drafting and signing Isiah type bonehead players?

Lot of questions. We shall see. Looking forward to the presser for some answers at least

nixluva wrote:Alan Hahn said on ESPN Radio that Jeff was actually Phil's 1st choice and his 1st call but that they couldn't actually get together until last Monday. Also said that Phil was visiting his ailing brother, which is the so called vacation the media was talking about. Apparently tho Jeff was not some afterthought, but rather Phil had zeroed in on him before the Blatt and Vogel interviews. They just happened before he met with Jeff but that wasn't indicative of where he put them on his list of wants.

I hope that is all true and Phil had a plan all along I really do. We'll see

fishmike wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:Right now we don't have the high IQ, efficient and versatile offensive players for to build a offensive like the GS, the Spurs or he old Jazz. Hopefully that changes with Hornacek. We don't have the defensive players either but if Thibs and Vogel to a lesser extent was here I'd have a hard time beilieving they would field a defensive that is at the bottom of the league.

If we are going to win with offense we are going to have to be flawless. I think you can in that way but do we have the players to play that way? We've been searching for those elusive high IQ players for damn near 15yrs. I'm cautiously optimistic that Hornacek can coach defense and. It just offense like Dantoni. Especially since he was a gritty defensive minded player. There was little defense in PHX but maybe he made the most out of what he had on that roster 2yrs ago. I hope he can adapt to some of the players we have hear who make the effort to defend. Like KP and Lopez for the most part.

This can be a home run signing by the Knicks of it can be another season of watching low IQ offensive players who can't hit an open jumper and bottom dwellers defensively. I guess the one thing I'm kinda bummed about is that this signing took away the aurora Me and others had about Phil taking over and establishing team ball, continuity and a winning culture.

That's why I have been patient with Phil despite all the boneheaded moves like Calderon. So I am hopeful that Phil and Horny do share a lot of come ground principles both offensively and defensively. If we are moving away from Phils philosophies and the triangle completely then I'm not so confident about Phil as a GM/President. When we hired him I said I would give him some leeway while he learned how to be a GM in today's nba with the assumption that his acomplishments and knowing what it takes to build a consistent winning culture would get this ship righted eventually.

Now I'm unsure if Phil is the guy to be making roster decisions that will impact the next 5yrs like maxing out over the hill players. The same kind of patchwork we've seen over the past 15yrs. I don't know if Phil plans on seeing this through now or chooses to hang it up and work for LA in some capacity. Like Walsh did when he returned to Indiana after being forced out by Dolan.

Maybe this is for the better. Maybe Hornacek can establish a winning culture like Kerr but is Mills the right GM? Will we draft a player of the caliber of Stephen Curry to run and grow with KP for the next 15yrs? Or do we go through enough decade of drafting and signing Isiah type bonehead players?

Lot of questions. We shall see. Looking forward to the pressure for some answers at least

Wow you think you have been patient? Maybe I don't read enough... I haven't heard much from you but trash since that idiot Phil resigned Melo and traded your boy Shump. But yea man... when the wins start coming in you were with Phil all along.

I think you know the individual in this organization I have got beef with. It's definitely not Phil