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2/8/2016  1:08 PM
WaltLongmire wrote:
Chandler wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:
Chandler wrote:
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Nalod wrote:
Chandler wrote:
Nalod wrote:Im wondering if Derek was just not into the gig and working hard enough to learn the craft? Certainly had the cred coming in and a world of respect.
Its a seduction to get paid what he did and take on the NYC thing but the reality is its a tough ass job!!!!!!

Maybe Knicks1969 gets his wish and Luke gets the gig next year. Dolan can't be happy with Phil right now. I mean how much money can a dude spend on coach's!!!!


FWIW I don't see why Dolan would be mad. Phil's top choice was Kerr, and Kerr certainly validated that judgment. Fisher was a good choice that didn't work out. Did we miss out on another candidate by taking Fisher?

I will keep my fingers crossed with Rambis. I was not impressed with him when he was with Minn. but will be optimistic. The timing of this firing and the replacement with Rambis is very curious. Earlier in the season, Fisher used to get a little testy when Phil's name was raised. He was almost insecure with the topic, being a little brusque in reminding people he, not Phil, was the coach. I'm left to wonder whether the relationship soured, with Fisher not welcoming Phil's suggestions or what?

Perhaps Phil just blew a gasket when Fisher played KOQ, Serpahin and Lou yesterday (including a KOQ Seraphin tandem) all before D Will left the bench

I read up a few years ago about Rambis stint in Minny. He made a bad mistake taking the job as Kahn was the GM and had the task of taking the triangle to the team with a roster not condusive and no clout. He had to convert Jonny Flynn to be his PG. Bad fit.

We don't know if he wants the full time gig, or is even considered for it. for now, the team will make adjustments and try to get back on track.

Kurt Rambis was also the guy that thought Al Jefferson was the better bet over Kevin Love. From what I recollect, he also wanted to get Kevin Love traded and kept him on the bench. Needless to say, I'm not terribly optimistic about Rambis either. It's Walton-Shaw or bust for me.


I don't want Shaw at all. He was horrible with Denver and they had some good talent on those teams. If i could choose i'd think about bringing JVG back and maybe he could get Thibs to come back with him as a assistant. I doubt it but i do think JVG would be a good choice.

Van Gundy is a horrible coach for today's league. He showed a general lack of creativity and adjustments throughout his coaching career, so I doubt that'd change during a 2nd stint with us.

I also REALLY would hate to have Brian as our head coach. He's a poor leader and players generally don't seem to respect him (see Andre Miller). But as a lead assistant, I think he brings a lot more to the table from an X's and O's perspective. The Pacers haven't been the same since he left and I don't think that was by accident.


Agree re JVG. I am confident that that will never, ever, ever happen with Phil as GM.

ALso interesting take on SHaw. Would be a nice pairing to have Luke with experienced assistants.

Fisher had experienced assistants. It doesn't work if the players don't respect the rookie coach unfortunately

did you notice in yesterday's game rambis was 10' outside the huddle?

Alan Hahn was saying that Fisher was gravitating toward his younger assistants, who I think were from the Thunder, and that Rambis had been pushed to the side.

Wonder if some of the other assistants might be let go, too?


I missed that. Was unaware. Will be interesting to watch (with fingers crossed)

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2/8/2016  1:12 PM
At least Fisher is in the same breath as another Hall of Fame coach, Larry Brown.

Dude got narrowly edged (40-96, .294 win percentage) by Larry B (23-59, .280 win percentage) as Knicks coach.

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2/8/2016  1:14 PM
"I have also heard that it’s very, very possible that Jeanie Buss is going to keep her word and fire her brother Jim Buss – thank the good lord – and that Mitch Kupchak may very well not be safe as well. How definitive that is remains to be seen. But that is the chatter in NBA circles."

Maybe Phil and Jeanne got in a fight. Watch out NBA

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2/8/2016  1:26 PM
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2/8/2016  1:29 PM
This is just the beginning of many moves to come ... Expect Teague,or Jennings coming in next and Jose and Lance or dwill gone .
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2/8/2016  2:00 PM
Yikes! Matt Barnes with the Instagram mic drop

Apparently posting a picture of yourself dressed up in a blazer and dress shirt without any captions is the ultimate diss in some circles...

"Sitting pretty" maybe?

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2/8/2016  2:06 PM
Chandler wrote:
Malcolm wrote:
nixluva wrote:I don't know what it was but, Sometimes it's just as simple as you can't always fire the entire team and the coach is the easiest change you can make. Also at 5 games out they are still at the edge of being able to rally and get back into the playoff race. Not a lot of time but just enough time that a win streak could make a big difference. Often teams play better after a coaching change so we'll see.

Sorry . . . but I'm not as clear about this as most other people here seem to be.

I maintain that NOBODY could have done better than what we had through the first half of the season.

It was a BRILLIANT achievement. I'm pretty demanding . . . but I didn't expect that much progress so soon. No one should have expected it -- and certainly not more.

So something drastic must have revealed itself to sink the chances of developing further from there.

It seems to me it's got to be a character issue of some kind: the Barnes debacle, lack of communication, lack of humility, etc.

Interesting. Perhaps I'm too greedy. I expected more. If your point of reference is last year, I get you. How much more could one want? But when I look at this roster I see more potential. I see some high quality players in Melo (who is playing with more balance) and KP, and some pretty decent players in Rolo AA

I look at the Celtics roster and am unimpressed by it. They're best player is a 5'9" point guard. After that you have a bunch of decent guys who would surprise no one if they were all on the bench. Their best big man is Sullinger. They are roughly 10 games over .500 now. We complain about Grant; they're (I think) number 6 pick (Smart) is coming off the bench; their first round pick this year was in the D league. They win because they have a great coach who has a system that he sticks to. (BTW when we played them we thought it was a good idea to go small and chase them all over the place, rather than play to our strengths)

That's the difference a coach can make.

Brad Stevens had admittedly a rough first season but Ainge allocated time and space. Stevens was very candid about the adjustment. My only gripe with Fish as he seemed to not relish the role and enjoy himself, or even be himself!!! I think Fish is a very intense dude and in hindsight appeared to not be very open with his public persona. If he was deemed arrogant and not respected by his team the first season would be accepted. Season two is a different story.

I'd say Phils off season signees being in and out of the dog house did not bode well for him. Would have hoped Fish could have grown into the job. Pop had a awful first season. The comments about Rondo, really no big deal but if asked just laugh it off. The Govan/Barnes thing? Its an issue when its public. Double standard I know, but that's life.

Even the Sixers coach didn't get canned, he got an extension!!! Something was up.

Yes, Brad Stevens is doing a great job in Boston in his third season! Good hire by Ainge and good they gave him time to figure it out.

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2/8/2016  2:06 PM
WaltLongmire wrote:
Chandler wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:
Chandler wrote:
NardDogNation wrote:
newyorker4ever wrote:
NardDogNation wrote:
Nalod wrote:
Chandler wrote:
Nalod wrote:Im wondering if Derek was just not into the gig and working hard enough to learn the craft? Certainly had the cred coming in and a world of respect.
Its a seduction to get paid what he did and take on the NYC thing but the reality is its a tough ass job!!!!!!

Maybe Knicks1969 gets his wish and Luke gets the gig next year. Dolan can't be happy with Phil right now. I mean how much money can a dude spend on coach's!!!!


FWIW I don't see why Dolan would be mad. Phil's top choice was Kerr, and Kerr certainly validated that judgment. Fisher was a good choice that didn't work out. Did we miss out on another candidate by taking Fisher?

I will keep my fingers crossed with Rambis. I was not impressed with him when he was with Minn. but will be optimistic. The timing of this firing and the replacement with Rambis is very curious. Earlier in the season, Fisher used to get a little testy when Phil's name was raised. He was almost insecure with the topic, being a little brusque in reminding people he, not Phil, was the coach. I'm left to wonder whether the relationship soured, with Fisher not welcoming Phil's suggestions or what?

Perhaps Phil just blew a gasket when Fisher played KOQ, Serpahin and Lou yesterday (including a KOQ Seraphin tandem) all before D Will left the bench

I read up a few years ago about Rambis stint in Minny. He made a bad mistake taking the job as Kahn was the GM and had the task of taking the triangle to the team with a roster not condusive and no clout. He had to convert Jonny Flynn to be his PG. Bad fit.

We don't know if he wants the full time gig, or is even considered for it. for now, the team will make adjustments and try to get back on track.

Kurt Rambis was also the guy that thought Al Jefferson was the better bet over Kevin Love. From what I recollect, he also wanted to get Kevin Love traded and kept him on the bench. Needless to say, I'm not terribly optimistic about Rambis either. It's Walton-Shaw or bust for me.


I don't want Shaw at all. He was horrible with Denver and they had some good talent on those teams. If i could choose i'd think about bringing JVG back and maybe he could get Thibs to come back with him as a assistant. I doubt it but i do think JVG would be a good choice.

Van Gundy is a horrible coach for today's league. He showed a general lack of creativity and adjustments throughout his coaching career, so I doubt that'd change during a 2nd stint with us.

I also REALLY would hate to have Brian as our head coach. He's a poor leader and players generally don't seem to respect him (see Andre Miller). But as a lead assistant, I think he brings a lot more to the table from an X's and O's perspective. The Pacers haven't been the same since he left and I don't think that was by accident.


Agree re JVG. I am confident that that will never, ever, ever happen with Phil as GM.

ALso interesting take on SHaw. Would be a nice pairing to have Luke with experienced assistants.

Fisher had experienced assistants. It doesn't work if the players don't respect the rookie coach unfortunately

did you notice in yesterday's game rambis was 10' outside the huddle?

Alan Hahn was saying that Fisher was gravitating toward his younger assistants, who I think were from the Thunder, and that Rambis had been pushed to the side.

Wonder if some of the other assistants might be let go, too?

Yea Fisher went out of his way since day 1 to point out that he is more than a Phil Triangle guy. He cited playing for other great coaches along the way. Phil's pick n roll nemesis Sloan, Karl, Nelson & Brooks(sarcasm)

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2/8/2016  2:07 PM
ChuckBuck wrote:Yikes! Matt Barnes with the Instagram mic drop

Apparently posting a picture of yourself dressed up in a blazer and dress shirt without any captions is the ultimate diss in some circles...

"Sitting pretty" maybe?

Barnes at the crossroads seems to NOT gravitate to take the high road.

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2/8/2016  2:13 PM
ChuckBuck wrote:Yikes! Matt Barnes with the Instagram mic drop

Apparently posting a picture of yourself dressed up in a blazer and dress shirt without any captions is the ultimate diss in some circles...

"Sitting pretty" maybe?

Ha didn't didn't take long lol

Classless or warranted?

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2/8/2016  2:16 PM
gunsnewing wrote:
ChuckBuck wrote:Yikes! Matt Barnes with the Instagram mic drop

Apparently posting a picture of yourself dressed up in a blazer and dress shirt without any captions is the ultimate diss in some circles...

"Sitting pretty" maybe?

Ha didn't didn't take long lol

Classless or warranted?

It's perfectly executed because it allows people to read in what they want.

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2/8/2016  2:17 PM
gunsnewing wrote:
ChuckBuck wrote:Yikes! Matt Barnes with the Instagram mic drop

Apparently posting a picture of yourself dressed up in a blazer and dress shirt without any captions is the ultimate diss in some circles...

"Sitting pretty" maybe?

Ha didn't didn't take long lol

Classless or warranted?

who cares ... its so damn entertaining!

so here is what phil is thinking ....
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2/8/2016  2:18 PM
gunsnewing wrote:
Chandler wrote:
NardDogNation wrote:
newyorker4ever wrote:
Nalod wrote:Im wondering if Derek was just not into the gig and working hard enough to learn the craft? Certainly had the cred coming in and a world of respect.
Its a seduction to get paid what he did and take on the NYC thing but the reality is its a tough ass job!!!!!!

Maybe Knicks1969 gets his wish and Luke gets the gig next year. Dolan can't be happy with Phil right now. I mean how much money can a dude spend on coach's!!!!

I would think most of us would want Luke to get the job right?? I was interested in him when his name was being thrown around for our job before Fisher got it.

Ditto. With all the experience he's gotten with the Warriors, we need to hire that guy. I'd imagine he'd have a better understanding of how to morph the triangle and what the Spurs do (courtesy of Steve Kerr), to then impliment it here in NY. The triangle is a great system but it needs to accomodate shifts in the current crop of NBA talent and playing styles. GSW understood that and made the adjustments wonderfully.

As a side, I do hope we can keep Fisher around in some capacity in the organization. I personally think that he'd be better as a front office guy. If not, we can kiss hopes of Russell Westbrook in 2017 goodbye.

I'm on board with a Walton hiring. Also on board with the idea of Phil telling Rambis "show me what you got"

this is a demonstration of "accountability" (though i never predicted during the season)

Rambis is a no nonsense guy. Guys g back to his interim days coaching the Lakers. He is perfect guy to lay it on these players. Especially Melo. You can't have your star player be divisive and not buy in. It's toxic for young players like KP & Grant. Remember earlier in the year Melo was free landing and we were blowing 4th leads with ISO Melo and Fisher had already lost the team and was about to be fired. That's when Phil spoke to the team and layed down the law. Melo started playing like Lebron, they stuck to the triangle, everyone was moving the ball. Everyone was contributing and they put together a few weeks worth of impressive wins. Now they reverted back to anti-triangle pick and roll and now Fisher is gone

I may be wrong but pretty sure Rambis career winning % is lower than dubious % Fisher attained in 1.5 years with Knicks.

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2/8/2016  2:19 PM
Barnes said his confrontation was because he felt his son was "uncomfortable".

Does anyone really believe that? Im sure Derek knows what that photo means.

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2/8/2016  2:24 PM
I nearly wrecked my truck when I heard this. Awesome news.
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2/8/2016  2:31 PM    LAST EDITED: 2/8/2016  2:34 PM
LivingLegend wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:
Chandler wrote:
NardDogNation wrote:
newyorker4ever wrote:
Nalod wrote:Im wondering if Derek was just not into the gig and working hard enough to learn the craft? Certainly had the cred coming in and a world of respect.
Its a seduction to get paid what he did and take on the NYC thing but the reality is its a tough ass job!!!!!!

Maybe Knicks1969 gets his wish and Luke gets the gig next year. Dolan can't be happy with Phil right now. I mean how much money can a dude spend on coach's!!!!

I would think most of us would want Luke to get the job right?? I was interested in him when his name was being thrown around for our job before Fisher got it.

Ditto. With all the experience he's gotten with the Warriors, we need to hire that guy. I'd imagine he'd have a better understanding of how to morph the triangle and what the Spurs do (courtesy of Steve Kerr), to then impliment it here in NY. The triangle is a great system but it needs to accomodate shifts in the current crop of NBA talent and playing styles. GSW understood that and made the adjustments wonderfully.

As a side, I do hope we can keep Fisher around in some capacity in the organization. I personally think that he'd be better as a front office guy. If not, we can kiss hopes of Russell Westbrook in 2017 goodbye.

I'm on board with a Walton hiring. Also on board with the idea of Phil telling Rambis "show me what you got"

this is a demonstration of "accountability" (though i never predicted during the season)

Rambis is a no nonsense guy. Guys g back to his interim days coaching the Lakers. He is perfect guy to lay it on these players. Especially Melo. You can't have your star player be divisive and not buy in. It's toxic for young players like KP & Grant. Remember earlier in the year Melo was free landing and we were blowing 4th leads with ISO Melo and Fisher had already lost the team and was about to be fired. That's when Phil spoke to the team and layed down the law. Melo started playing like Lebron, they stuck to the triangle, everyone was moving the ball. Everyone was contributing and they put together a few weeks worth of impressive wins. Now they reverted back to anti-triangle pick and roll and now Fisher is gone

I may be wrong but pretty sure Rambis career winning % is lower than dubious % Fisher attained in 1.5 years with Knicks.

Rambis never had support from his front office the way Fisher did and still failed. I want to give Rambis a shot with Shaw as his top assistant as he is the better tactician. Let's see how they finish the year. Kahn and Ujiri wouldve fired Phil as well after his first coaching job

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2/8/2016  2:43 PM
I also feel bad for Fisher. He seems like a good guy, but yeah, the results just weren't there. The team last year should've won more games than they did also (but I'm happy since the result was Porzingis). Overall, 40-96 is pretty unacceptable.

That being said, a small part of me wonders if Rambis could've been Phil's ultimate plan or backup plan. They was no way he could've hired him to be head coach. But interim head coach, getting a shot to take over the team as coach if he does well, it could be interesting at least. He's a decent head coach, at least. I hope it's not the end game, though. Interested to see where this season winds up and who our coach to start next year is.

Wishing everyone well. I enjoyed posting here for a while, but as I matured I realized this forum isn't for me. We all evolve. Thanks for the memories everyone.
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2/8/2016  2:56 PM
I never liked the far off look in his eyes when the game got close. He did seem to be over matched.
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2/8/2016  2:56 PM
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knicks1969 looking sharp

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2/8/2016  2:58 PM
Did't Hahn start blasting Fisher a game or two ago- I always think it's worth paying attention to what he's doing, as I always presume he's a company man.
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