martin wrote:

nixluva wrote:

newyorker4ever wrote:

EnySpree wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

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https://twitter.com/TWroten_LOE/status/688918613395423232

Wroten's response to a fan asking who he is signing with.

He tweeted "Tape" twice but deleted it right away. I think he wants to be here but Phil has got to want to sign him.

It could easily look like we're gonna sign him cause we're all wondering why Phil hasn't signed anyone to a 10 day contract yet cause we have our 15th spot open and a lot of us are wondering why nobody has signed Wroten yet so it seems like Phil and Wroten are both waiting for something. This guy could fill a big hole we have with his athleticism and his getting to the basket so i would love for Phil to bring him in. It can't hurt anything so why not.

It's so curious what Phil could be up to. It's obvious by his inaction that he's waiting on something. I would assume it's a technical timeframe. Whatever it is I do expect that he will eventually make a move cuz it only makes sense given the needs and makeup of the roster at present. Whoever he actually settles on it would seem most likely that it would be a guard he brings in so we'll see what he decides, but it's starting to make me anxious. With every game that we have issues with our guard spot it just makes me want to see it addressed. The Celtics and Sixers games were hard to sit thru and watch us struggle to deal with their quick guards.

Which guard are you sitting if you think Phil is going to make a more. And which guard is going to pick up the offense quickly enough to warrant giving him a shot?

Well all of our guards on this team have something bad about their game so i think Fish could find some minutes for him when he gets adjusted to the system.

newyorker4ever wrote:

martin wrote:

nixluva wrote:

newyorker4ever wrote:

EnySpree wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

Tweet was deleted or there was problem with the URL:

https://twitter.com/TWroten_LOE/status/688918613395423232

Wroten's response to a fan asking who he is signing with.

He tweeted "Tape" twice but deleted it right away. I think he wants to be here but Phil has got to want to sign him.

It could easily look like we're gonna sign him cause we're all wondering why Phil hasn't signed anyone to a 10 day contract yet cause we have our 15th spot open and a lot of us are wondering why nobody has signed Wroten yet so it seems like Phil and Wroten are both waiting for something. This guy could fill a big hole we have with his athleticism and his getting to the basket so i would love for Phil to bring him in. It can't hurt anything so why not.

It's so curious what Phil could be up to. It's obvious by his inaction that he's waiting on something. I would assume it's a technical timeframe. Whatever it is I do expect that he will eventually make a move cuz it only makes sense given the needs and makeup of the roster at present. Whoever he actually settles on it would seem most likely that it would be a guard he brings in so we'll see what he decides, but it's starting to make me anxious. With every game that we have issues with our guard spot it just makes me want to see it addressed. The Celtics and Sixers games were hard to sit thru and watch us struggle to deal with their quick guards.

Which guard are you sitting if you think Phil is going to make a more. And which guard is going to pick up the offense quickly enough to warrant giving him a shot?

Well all of our guards on this team have something bad about their game so i think Fish could find some minutes for him when he gets adjusted to the system.

No I am asking for a concrete scenario and a concrete PG who you would pick up that can learn the system in a quick enough time period to warrant signing and playing and also benching another of the Knicks' guards. Who is out there at PG that is heady enough or talented enough that maybe you would pick up and who is realistically good enough in the Triangle and then who would you sit?

You kind of gave a non answer.

It's all about opportunities in the league. Wroten averaged great stats only to get benched for Michael carter williams when he was there. He tore his acl and they game up on him.

The same way Shved got his shot with us and played well Wroten can get his shot. Everyone is crying that we missed out on Ish Smith but tony wroten put up similar numbers as a Sixers before his injury.

Same way I felt about Jeremy Lin I felt about Shved. That's how I feel about Wroten. It's all about opportunity. He's 22 years old. 2 years younger than Jerian Grant. Kid needs his shot

EnySpree wrote:Shved and Wroten essentially are the same player. Both guys were after thoughts for Philly (ish smith too for that matter). Horrible franchise....

It's all about opportunities in the league. Wroten averaged great stats only to get benched for Michael carter williams when he was there. He tore his acl and they game up on him.

The same way Shved got his shot with us and played well Wroten can get his shot. Everyone is crying that we missed out on Ish Smith but tony wroten put up similar numbers as a Sixers before his injury.

Same way I felt about Jeremy Lin I felt about Shved. That's how I feel about Wroten. It's all about opportunity. He's 22 years old. 2 years younger than Jerian Grant. Kid needs his shot

I think his game fits the kind of system we run. In the Triangle the windows are open for a short time and you have to attack when it's there and not hesitate. You have to push the ball and put pressure on the D, but also show some patience if there's nothing there. Run the offense and let it open up looks for you. Like Shved Wroten should thrive off all the Give n Go's. His strong handles and quickness makes him so tough to deal with when he's attacking. I hope that Phil sees it that way and brings him in.

crzymdups wrote:

EnySpree wrote:Shved and Wroten essentially are the same player. Both guys were after thoughts for Philly (ish smith too for that matter). Horrible franchise....

It's all about opportunities in the league. Wroten averaged great stats only to get benched for Michael carter williams when he was there. He tore his acl and they game up on him.

The same way Shved got his shot with us and played well Wroten can get his shot. Everyone is crying that we missed out on Ish Smith but tony wroten put up similar numbers as a Sixers before his injury.

Same way I felt about Jeremy Lin I felt about Shved. That's how I feel about Wroten. It's all about opportunity. He's 22 years old. 2 years younger than Jerian Grant. Kid needs his shot

Good points. I remember the Sixers playing better when Wroten played whenever MCW was out with injury - there was one longish stretch MCW was out and Wroten played really well.

I think he's definitely worth a shot - guys bounce around sometimes. Whiteside did. DeMarre Carroll did. Billups did. Dragic did, too.

Think he's worth a shot. The hard part is that it is a hard system to pick up on a ten-day contract. I'd almost prefer to sign him for the rest of the season and get him in the Knicks summer league system and all that. I think a ten-day contract wouldn't mean much unless Jose or Grant got injured and there were playing time available. It is about opportunity.

martin wrote:

nixluva wrote:

martin wrote:

newyorker4ever wrote:

martin wrote:

nixluva wrote:

newyorker4ever wrote:

EnySpree wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

Tweet was deleted or there was problem with the URL:

https://twitter.com/TWroten_LOE/status/688918613395423232

Wroten's response to a fan asking who he is signing with.

He tweeted "Tape" twice but deleted it right away. I think he wants to be here but Phil has got to want to sign him.

It could easily look like we're gonna sign him cause we're all wondering why Phil hasn't signed anyone to a 10 day contract yet cause we have our 15th spot open and a lot of us are wondering why nobody has signed Wroten yet so it seems like Phil and Wroten are both waiting for something. This guy could fill a big hole we have with his athleticism and his getting to the basket so i would love for Phil to bring him in. It can't hurt anything so why not.

It's so curious what Phil could be up to. It's obvious by his inaction that he's waiting on something. I would assume it's a technical timeframe. Whatever it is I do expect that he will eventually make a move cuz it only makes sense given the needs and makeup of the roster at present. Whoever he actually settles on it would seem most likely that it would be a guard he brings in so we'll see what he decides, but it's starting to make me anxious. With every game that we have issues with our guard spot it just makes me want to see it addressed. The Celtics and Sixers games were hard to sit thru and watch us struggle to deal with their quick guards.

Which guard are you sitting if you think Phil is going to make a more. And which guard is going to pick up the offense quickly enough to warrant giving him a shot?

Well all of our guards on this team have something bad about their game so i think Fish could find some minutes for him when he gets adjusted to the system.

No I am asking for a concrete scenario and a concrete PG who you would pick up that can learn the system in a quick enough time period to warrant signing and playing and also benching another of the Knicks' guards. Who is out there at PG that is heady enough or talented enough that maybe you would pick up and who is realistically good enough in the Triangle and then who would you sit?

You kind of gave a non answer.

That's a great question. I don't think there's a clear answer. It's kind of hard to know from the outside, but what I think Phil is looking or at least hoping for is a similar transition that we saw with Shved. It didn't take him too long to gain a comfort level. Of course things are different now since I doubt any guard would come in and go as nuts as Shved did, but then they don't have to.

The thing I'm looking at is a Guard and not necessarily a Pure PG. A Guard that has a natural ability to see the seems and lanes but also can make the pass to open teammates. In this offense you don't really need a Pure PG. Tho it is important to have a PG who can get the offense setup as we see Jose doing. I personally don't think it's as hard as some make it out to be. I don't know why Jerian has so much trouble with it at times. Sometimes he gets a huge brain freeze and looks paralyzed.

So for me I see a kid like Wroten being able to find some success. He is a talented Combo guard and really isn't so much looking to run an offense as he is looking to attack which IMO is one of the biggest things you need in this offense. You want early attack and if nothing is there then you can run the sets and if the ball works it's way back to a kid like Wroten in the flow there will be TONS of Give n Go touches for him that with his speed and athletic ability he can translate into easy scores.

We don't have one of these at Guard. I see great potential if he's developed properly.
Look at how Wroten attacks off Give n Go's in this video.

The speed and athletic ability and his natural desire to push the ball and run. He's got just enough passing ability.

DWill has a lot of this but he's not a guard. Wroten IMO could really BOOST this offense a lot, plus still has size for matching up with a SG, so he'd help on D in that sense. Wroten should find success with just a few RoLo or KP picks, Pushing the ball and looking for Early Offense, Give n Go's and the defense having to pay so much attention to Melo and KP. IMO Wroten has the same kind of size with even more explosive quickness and athletic ability as Phil had with Ron Harper! A SG, Not a PG who played Pseudo PG for Phil. And we saw that with Shved last year as well.

I've never seen Wroten play. He shoots about as good as Grant does and Grant is playing scared right now. So, you are introducing a guy who can't shoot. I guess you sit Grant and stunt his growth some? More DNPs?

What's his D like? And is this a system guy?

If Wroten wants to play on the Knicks, why doesn't he join WestChester for a couple of weeks to learn Triangle and hope he gets called to the show?

Wroten isn't a strong shooter but I wouldn't worry about Wroten's shooting too much. He's in a entirely different class from Jerian in terms of his handle and quickness. He gets to the rim with so much frequency that it's almost absurd. He's a weapon in transition even on made baskets. I also wouldn't worry too much about Jerian's development. Technically at 6-6 Wroten can play PG, SG or SF in a small ball lineup. There are ways to squeeze him in if you cut Jose's minutes. Jerian isn't likely to earn a lot of minutes this year IMO. He's gonna need a summer to work on his game anyway IMO.

Wroten on D I think will be fine. He should improve with work and learning how to defend in this system. He's got the agility and quickness to excel if he commits to it.

As for him being a system guy. I think he's in the Mold of Shved and DWill. He just needs to learn how to use his talent in the system which shouldn't be too hard for him since much of the guard role is simple passes and cuts.

As for why he's not in Westchester, I think Phil may want it that way. Just kind of keep him out of other team's eyes. I could be wrong but that's what I think is going on. Imagine if he went to the W Knicks and put up some gaudy numbers and drew attention from other teams? I think they could be hiding Wroten and waiting for some kind of deal or something to move other players. I have no proof of course, but it seems like a logical assumption.

It's possible that the Knicks are talking to Wroten and showing him film and having him do some scrimmage to get a basic notion of the offense.

WaltLongmire wrote:

martin wrote:

nixluva wrote:

martin wrote:

newyorker4ever wrote:

martin wrote:

nixluva wrote:

newyorker4ever wrote:

EnySpree wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

Tweet was deleted or there was problem with the URL:

https://twitter.com/TWroten_LOE/status/688918613395423232

Wroten's response to a fan asking who he is signing with.

He tweeted "Tape" twice but deleted it right away. I think he wants to be here but Phil has got to want to sign him.

It could easily look like we're gonna sign him cause we're all wondering why Phil hasn't signed anyone to a 10 day contract yet cause we have our 15th spot open and a lot of us are wondering why nobody has signed Wroten yet so it seems like Phil and Wroten are both waiting for something. This guy could fill a big hole we have with his athleticism and his getting to the basket so i would love for Phil to bring him in. It can't hurt anything so why not.

It's so curious what Phil could be up to. It's obvious by his inaction that he's waiting on something. I would assume it's a technical timeframe. Whatever it is I do expect that he will eventually make a move cuz it only makes sense given the needs and makeup of the roster at present. Whoever he actually settles on it would seem most likely that it would be a guard he brings in so we'll see what he decides, but it's starting to make me anxious. With every game that we have issues with our guard spot it just makes me want to see it addressed. The Celtics and Sixers games were hard to sit thru and watch us struggle to deal with their quick guards.

Which guard are you sitting if you think Phil is going to make a more. And which guard is going to pick up the offense quickly enough to warrant giving him a shot?

Well all of our guards on this team have something bad about their game so i think Fish could find some minutes for him when he gets adjusted to the system.

No I am asking for a concrete scenario and a concrete PG who you would pick up that can learn the system in a quick enough time period to warrant signing and playing and also benching another of the Knicks' guards. Who is out there at PG that is heady enough or talented enough that maybe you would pick up and who is realistically good enough in the Triangle and then who would you sit?

You kind of gave a non answer.

That's a great question. I don't think there's a clear answer. It's kind of hard to know from the outside, but what I think Phil is looking or at least hoping for is a similar transition that we saw with Shved. It didn't take him too long to gain a comfort level. Of course things are different now since I doubt any guard would come in and go as nuts as Shved did, but then they don't have to.

The thing I'm looking at is a Guard and not necessarily a Pure PG. A Guard that has a natural ability to see the seems and lanes but also can make the pass to open teammates. In this offense you don't really need a Pure PG. Tho it is important to have a PG who can get the offense setup as we see Jose doing. I personally don't think it's as hard as some make it out to be. I don't know why Jerian has so much trouble with it at times. Sometimes he gets a huge brain freeze and looks paralyzed.

So for me I see a kid like Wroten being able to find some success. He is a talented Combo guard and really isn't so much looking to run an offense as he is looking to attack which IMO is one of the biggest things you need in this offense. You want early attack and if nothing is there then you can run the sets and if the ball works it's way back to a kid like Wroten in the flow there will be TONS of Give n Go touches for him that with his speed and athletic ability he can translate into easy scores.

We don't have one of these at Guard. I see great potential if he's developed properly.
Look at how Wroten attacks off Give n Go's in this video.

The speed and athletic ability and his natural desire to push the ball and run. He's got just enough passing ability.

DWill has a lot of this but he's not a guard. Wroten IMO could really BOOST this offense a lot, plus still has size for matching up with a SG, so he'd help on D in that sense. Wroten should find success with just a few RoLo or KP picks, Pushing the ball and looking for Early Offense, Give n Go's and the defense having to pay so much attention to Melo and KP. IMO Wroten has the same kind of size with even more explosive quickness and athletic ability as Phil had with Ron Harper! A SG, Not a PG who played Pseudo PG for Phil. And we saw that with Shved last year as well.

I've never seen Wroten play. He shoots about as good as Grant does and Grant is playing scared right now. So, you are introducing a guy who can't shoot. I guess you sit Grant and stunt his growth some? More DNPs?

What's his D like? And is this a system guy?

If Wroten wants to play on the Knicks, why doesn't he join WestChester for a couple of weeks to learn Triangle and hope he gets called to the show?

You should know by now that using logic will never work when you're arguing about a player with a UK cult following...

...Just take a look at the WCS draft threads from last year, and any Jimmer threads from the distant or recent past.

martin wrote:So nix, who you sitting to get a look at Wroten? Grant? Gallo?

nixluva wrote:

martin wrote:So nix, who you sitting to get a look at Wroten? Grant? Gallo?

I don't quite look at it in that way. Wroten will have to be eased in so as not to totally disrupt everything. Depending on If and When they added him they could just let things happen over time. A couple of 10 days should be enough to at least get a sense of what Wroten can bring. I'd cut Jose's minutes a little and a little from AA in addition to some from Gallo and Grant. Wroten would be in more of the Scoring Guard role rather than setup guard like Jose. So that means let him play more on the Weakside Pinch Post 2 man game. This is where Shved excelled.

The guy that would lose out on minutes all together would be Sasha Vujacic. Jerian Grant would be in his role getting spot minutes and playing due to injury.

Confidence plays a role. You can't play a guy that doesn't bring it. Playing well 2 out of every 10 games isn't going to cut it. Jerian is a rookie, he's not ready yet. Wroten had his rookie year with Memphis and went through the same things. Wroten doesn't have confidence issues now. He's scored over 30 pts in games before. I believe he would jump right in and play. If he does now, he could be the starter by the Allstar break.

martin wrote:So nix, who you sitting to get a look at Wroten? Grant? Gallo?

Who would you want in Sasha or Wroten? I am not a fan of either one but I would take Wroten over Sasha. I think Wroten needs time in Westchester before he even sees the floor as a knick although it would be a good time to bring him/anyone up considering the practice time NY will have coming up.

yellowboy90 wrote:

martin wrote:So nix, who you sitting to get a look at Wroten? Grant? Gallo?

Who would you want in Sasha or Wroten? I am not a fan of either one but I would take Wroten over Sasha. I think Wroten needs time in Westchester before he even sees the floor as a knick although it would be a good time to bring him/anyone up considering the practice time NY will have coming up.

Sasha is deadweight as far as a player goes so that's an easy answer, but Sasha ain't here to play really, not any more. But I do see him seated next to KP all the time and they are constantly talking, and I think that speaks volumes.