holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:

mreinman wrote:

holfresh wrote:

mreinman wrote:

holfresh wrote:

mreinman wrote:oh ... how about this one:

Barkley 1993 WCF game 5:

43-point night, shooting 16-of-22 from the floor and a perfect 11-for-11 from the line. He also managed to pick up 15 rebounds and 10 assists in the Suns' 120-114 victory over the Sonics.

simple triple double with some other treats but ... please someone post games from ewing similar to these.

I'm sure Tim Duncan never posted numbers like that but.....

he didn't have to. His teams were freakin stacked with HOFers. And, duncans playoff numbers are excellent as well.

holfresh, for once you can say ... "perhaps I was incorrect on this one"

Barkley is from the best playoff performers of all time. You picked a lemon on this arg.

But the point is that Barkely's numbers are slightly better than Tim in the playoffs and you know Tim is an around much better player..

Duncan was a better defender and barkley was a bit better on offense so tim wins but not by as much as you think.

so take a look at the 1990 sixers roster. They beat a really good cleveland team in the first round of the playoffs and lost to the bulls in the second round.

that roster was absolutely terrible. Look how barkley played and look at his numbers. See you can't always blame teammates for playing like crap. Barkley carried awful teams to playoff wins. That just shows how under appreciated he was. He pretty much went to the playoffs every year no matter who he played with and pretty much played great regardless of who his teammates were.

Do a little research into barkley if you want to really appreciate how great of a player he was.

His biggest problem especially early on in his career was that he was a bit of a dik but hey ... fuk philly and their azzhole fans.

I think that barkley has 3 of the top 25 playoff performances of all time as per espn (or some nba.com).

I think what you have to appreciate are guys playing within a team concept to win games versus guys who are just gunning it because they have no help..Not saying Barkely isn't a great player but you can't compare him to Duncan as their goals are completely different..Duncan is trying to win Chips versus Barkely putting a team on his back to survive..Its a different mindset and goals..I'm sure Duncan could score 40+ putting up 30 shots as well in his prime playing the game like its his last..

you really don't understand the game of basketball.

I don't understand basketball and you were the one trying to compare O'Quinn's game to Boris Diaw's by just looking at his stats..What did you say? His game reminds you of Diaw?

That was another great post. Can we talk about Okafor's release point again?

CrushAlot wrote:

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:

mreinman wrote:

holfresh wrote:

mreinman wrote:

holfresh wrote:

mreinman wrote:oh ... how about this one:

Barkley 1993 WCF game 5:

43-point night, shooting 16-of-22 from the floor and a perfect 11-for-11 from the line. He also managed to pick up 15 rebounds and 10 assists in the Suns' 120-114 victory over the Sonics.

simple triple double with some other treats but ... please someone post games from ewing similar to these.

I'm sure Tim Duncan never posted numbers like that but.....

he didn't have to. His teams were freakin stacked with HOFers. And, duncans playoff numbers are excellent as well.

holfresh, for once you can say ... "perhaps I was incorrect on this one"

Barkley is from the best playoff performers of all time. You picked a lemon on this arg.

But the point is that Barkely's numbers are slightly better than Tim in the playoffs and you know Tim is an around much better player..

Duncan was a better defender and barkley was a bit better on offense so tim wins but not by as much as you think.

so take a look at the 1990 sixers roster. They beat a really good cleveland team in the first round of the playoffs and lost to the bulls in the second round.

that roster was absolutely terrible. Look how barkley played and look at his numbers. See you can't always blame teammates for playing like crap. Barkley carried awful teams to playoff wins. That just shows how under appreciated he was. He pretty much went to the playoffs every year no matter who he played with and pretty much played great regardless of who his teammates were.

Do a little research into barkley if you want to really appreciate how great of a player he was.

His biggest problem especially early on in his career was that he was a bit of a dik but hey ... fuk philly and their azzhole fans.

I think that barkley has 3 of the top 25 playoff performances of all time as per espn (or some nba.com).

I think what you have to appreciate are guys playing within a team concept to win games versus guys who are just gunning it because they have no help..Not saying Barkely isn't a great player but you can't compare him to Duncan as their goals are completely different..Duncan is trying to win Chips versus Barkely putting a team on his back to survive..Its a different mindset and goals..I'm sure Duncan could score 40+ putting up 30 shots as well in his prime playing the game like its his last..

you really don't understand the game of basketball.

I don't understand basketball and you were the one trying to compare O'Quinn's game to Boris Diaw's by just looking at his stats..What did you say? His game reminds you of Diaw?

That was another great post. Can we talk about Okafor's release point again?

wait a sec... we are talking about o'quinn, a player i predicted would be good for the knicks, and he has already proven that. holfresh thought he was a lousy player and basically end of bench material. then all of a sudden he has o'quinn starting. weird.

you want to talk about okafor? weak sauce

mreinman wrote:

holfresh wrote:

mreinman wrote:

holfresh wrote:

mreinman wrote:

holfresh wrote:

mreinman wrote:

holfresh wrote:

mreinman wrote:

holfresh wrote:

mreinman wrote:

holfresh wrote:

mreinman wrote:oh ... how about this one:

Barkley 1993 WCF game 5:

43-point night, shooting 16-of-22 from the floor and a perfect 11-for-11 from the line. He also managed to pick up 15 rebounds and 10 assists in the Suns' 120-114 victory over the Sonics.

simple triple double with some other treats but ... please someone post games from ewing similar to these.

I'm sure Tim Duncan never posted numbers like that but.....

he didn't have to. His teams were freakin stacked with HOFers. And, duncans playoff numbers are excellent as well.

holfresh, for once you can say ... "perhaps I was incorrect on this one"

Barkley is from the best playoff performers of all time. You picked a lemon on this arg.

But the point is that Barkely's numbers are slightly better than Tim in the playoffs and you know Tim is an around much better player..

Duncan was a better defender and barkley was a bit better on offense so tim wins but not by as much as you think.

so take a look at the 1990 sixers roster. They beat a really good cleveland team in the first round of the playoffs and lost to the bulls in the second round.

that roster was absolutely terrible. Look how barkley played and look at his numbers. See you can't always blame teammates for playing like crap. Barkley carried awful teams to playoff wins. That just shows how under appreciated he was. He pretty much went to the playoffs every year no matter who he played with and pretty much played great regardless of who his teammates were.

Do a little research into barkley if you want to really appreciate how great of a player he was.

His biggest problem especially early on in his career was that he was a bit of a dik but hey ... fuk philly and their azzhole fans.

I think that barkley has 3 of the top 25 playoff performances of all time as per espn (or some nba.com).

I think what you have to appreciate are guys playing within a team concept to win games versus guys who are just gunning it because they have no help..Not saying Barkely isn't a great player but you can't compare him to Duncan as their goals are completely different..Duncan is trying to win Chips versus Barkely putting a team on his back to survive..Its a different mindset and goals..I'm sure Duncan could score 40+ putting up 30 shots as well playing the game like its his last..

barkley avg'ed only 16 shots a game in the playoffs. No need to bob and weave.

He made the absolute best of what he had ... thats all you can ask from any player.

Duncan was/is an all time great but this was about the ewing comparison. I think that many including you did not realize or remember how great barkley was especially in the playoffs.

Barkley was never on any great perennial teams to be feared..Ewing was an all around great player..You forget his impact on defense who developed into a great offensive player..Ewing teams were perennial contenders and you are trying to post Barkley offensive playoff stats to prove a point..The goal was always to win a Chip and Ewing anchored a team that was a contender, Barley didn't carry that sort of weight..

another fluff answer with zero substance. Seriously? You are allowed to give up.

I just looked up Hakeem versus Barkley and their career numbers are close..Hakeem was much better player, not even close..

Hakeem was one of the best defensive players of all time. Barkley was certainly a better offensive player. Its closer than you think.

Again ... Ewing was no hakeem

I even question that Barkley was a better offensive player because Hakeem was one of the best post players of all time and virtually unstoppable..Barkley was a slasher and dunker..Not a great outside shooter or post player..His points came from attacking the rim..

wrong again. Barkley was a great post player especially in the second half of his career. I think I read somewhere that he was doubled in the post the most often of any player other than shaq post 1980.

in the top 50 voting hakeem and duncan were top 15 while barkley was around 25. I think Ewing was 48 (and that was being really kind IMHO).

You are really taking a beating on this and its getting a bit pathetic. I know you will not give up so I will be the one to bow out but before I go, I ask one more time ... Melo vs Barkley. Who do you pick as your franchise player?

it's hard to get straight answers from twisted minds

dk7th wrote:

mreinman wrote:

holfresh wrote:

mreinman wrote:

holfresh wrote:

mreinman wrote:

holfresh wrote:

mreinman wrote:

holfresh wrote:

mreinman wrote:

holfresh wrote:

mreinman wrote:

holfresh wrote:

mreinman wrote:oh ... how about this one:

Barkley 1993 WCF game 5:

43-point night, shooting 16-of-22 from the floor and a perfect 11-for-11 from the line. He also managed to pick up 15 rebounds and 10 assists in the Suns' 120-114 victory over the Sonics.

simple triple double with some other treats but ... please someone post games from ewing similar to these.

I'm sure Tim Duncan never posted numbers like that but.....

he didn't have to. His teams were freakin stacked with HOFers. And, duncans playoff numbers are excellent as well.

holfresh, for once you can say ... "perhaps I was incorrect on this one"

Barkley is from the best playoff performers of all time. You picked a lemon on this arg.

But the point is that Barkely's numbers are slightly better than Tim in the playoffs and you know Tim is an around much better player..

Duncan was a better defender and barkley was a bit better on offense so tim wins but not by as much as you think.

so take a look at the 1990 sixers roster. They beat a really good cleveland team in the first round of the playoffs and lost to the bulls in the second round.

that roster was absolutely terrible. Look how barkley played and look at his numbers. See you can't always blame teammates for playing like crap. Barkley carried awful teams to playoff wins. That just shows how under appreciated he was. He pretty much went to the playoffs every year no matter who he played with and pretty much played great regardless of who his teammates were.

Do a little research into barkley if you want to really appreciate how great of a player he was.

His biggest problem especially early on in his career was that he was a bit of a dik but hey ... fuk philly and their azzhole fans.

I think that barkley has 3 of the top 25 playoff performances of all time as per espn (or some nba.com).

I think what you have to appreciate are guys playing within a team concept to win games versus guys who are just gunning it because they have no help..Not saying Barkely isn't a great player but you can't compare him to Duncan as their goals are completely different..Duncan is trying to win Chips versus Barkely putting a team on his back to survive..Its a different mindset and goals..I'm sure Duncan could score 40+ putting up 30 shots as well playing the game like its his last..

barkley avg'ed only 16 shots a game in the playoffs. No need to bob and weave.

He made the absolute best of what he had ... thats all you can ask from any player.

Duncan was/is an all time great but this was about the ewing comparison. I think that many including you did not realize or remember how great barkley was especially in the playoffs.

Barkley was never on any great perennial teams to be feared..Ewing was an all around great player..You forget his impact on defense who developed into a great offensive player..Ewing teams were perennial contenders and you are trying to post Barkley offensive playoff stats to prove a point..The goal was always to win a Chip and Ewing anchored a team that was a contender, Barley didn't carry that sort of weight..

another fluff answer with zero substance. Seriously? You are allowed to give up.

I just looked up Hakeem versus Barkley and their career numbers are close..Hakeem was much better player, not even close..

Hakeem was one of the best defensive players of all time. Barkley was certainly a better offensive player. Its closer than you think.

Again ... Ewing was no hakeem

I even question that Barkley was a better offensive player because Hakeem was one of the best post players of all time and virtually unstoppable..Barkley was a slasher and dunker..Not a great outside shooter or post player..His points came from attacking the rim..

wrong again. Barkley was a great post player especially in the second half of his career. I think I read somewhere that he was doubled in the post the most often of any player other than shaq post 1980.

in the top 50 voting hakeem and duncan were top 15 while barkley was around 25. I think Ewing was 48 (and that was being really kind IMHO).

You are really taking a beating on this and its getting a bit pathetic. I know you will not give up so I will be the one to bow out but before I go, I ask one more time ... Melo vs Barkley. Who do you pick as your franchise player?

it's hard to get straight answers from twisted minds

You are just a sorry joke dude..Diaw..

mreinman wrote:

holfresh wrote:

mreinman wrote:

holfresh wrote:

mreinman wrote:

holfresh wrote:

mreinman wrote:

holfresh wrote:

mreinman wrote:

holfresh wrote:

mreinman wrote:

holfresh wrote:

mreinman wrote:oh ... how about this one:

Barkley 1993 WCF game 5:

43-point night, shooting 16-of-22 from the floor and a perfect 11-for-11 from the line. He also managed to pick up 15 rebounds and 10 assists in the Suns' 120-114 victory over the Sonics.

simple triple double with some other treats but ... please someone post games from ewing similar to these.

I'm sure Tim Duncan never posted numbers like that but.....

he didn't have to. His teams were freakin stacked with HOFers. And, duncans playoff numbers are excellent as well.

holfresh, for once you can say ... "perhaps I was incorrect on this one"

Barkley is from the best playoff performers of all time. You picked a lemon on this arg.

But the point is that Barkely's numbers are slightly better than Tim in the playoffs and you know Tim is an around much better player..

Duncan was a better defender and barkley was a bit better on offense so tim wins but not by as much as you think.

so take a look at the 1990 sixers roster. They beat a really good cleveland team in the first round of the playoffs and lost to the bulls in the second round.

that roster was absolutely terrible. Look how barkley played and look at his numbers. See you can't always blame teammates for playing like crap. Barkley carried awful teams to playoff wins. That just shows how under appreciated he was. He pretty much went to the playoffs every year no matter who he played with and pretty much played great regardless of who his teammates were.

Do a little research into barkley if you want to really appreciate how great of a player he was.

His biggest problem especially early on in his career was that he was a bit of a dik but hey ... fuk philly and their azzhole fans.

I think that barkley has 3 of the top 25 playoff performances of all time as per espn (or some nba.com).

I think what you have to appreciate are guys playing within a team concept to win games versus guys who are just gunning it because they have no help..Not saying Barkely isn't a great player but you can't compare him to Duncan as their goals are completely different..Duncan is trying to win Chips versus Barkely putting a team on his back to survive..Its a different mindset and goals..I'm sure Duncan could score 40+ putting up 30 shots as well playing the game like its his last..

barkley avg'ed only 16 shots a game in the playoffs. No need to bob and weave.

He made the absolute best of what he had ... thats all you can ask from any player.

Duncan was/is an all time great but this was about the ewing comparison. I think that many including you did not realize or remember how great barkley was especially in the playoffs.

Barkley was never on any great perennial teams to be feared..Ewing was an all around great player..You forget his impact on defense who developed into a great offensive player..Ewing teams were perennial contenders and you are trying to post Barkley offensive playoff stats to prove a point..The goal was always to win a Chip and Ewing anchored a team that was a contender, Barley didn't carry that sort of weight..

another fluff answer with zero substance. Seriously? You are allowed to give up.

I just looked up Hakeem versus Barkley and their career numbers are close..Hakeem was much better player, not even close..

Hakeem was one of the best defensive players of all time. Barkley was certainly a better offensive player. Its closer than you think.

Again ... Ewing was no hakeem

I even question that Barkley was a better offensive player because Hakeem was one of the best post players of all time and virtually unstoppable..Barkley was a slasher and dunker..Not a great outside shooter or post player..His points came from attacking the rim..

wrong again. Barkley was a great post player especially in the second half of his career. I think I read somewhere that he was doubled in the post the most often of any player other than shaq post 1980.

in the top 50 voting hakeem and duncan were top 15 while barkley was around 25. I think Ewing was 48 (and that was being really kind IMHO).

You are really taking a beating on this and its getting a bit pathetic. I know you will not give up so I will be the one to bow out but before I go, I ask one more time ... Melo vs Barkley. Who do you pick as your franchise player?

The NBA top 50 wasn't a voting ranking was it??..Do you have a link.?Why do you and dk7 like to claim victory in the middle of a discussions?

from slam:

barkley #20
Ewing #37

http://www.basketball-reference.com/awards/slam_500_greatest.html

your turn

mreinman wrote:http://www.ibtimes.com/top-50-greatest-nba-players-all-time-where-jordan-kobe-lebron-bird-land-basketball-1952638
http://thehoopdoctors.com/2013/03/top-50-nba-players-of-all-time/#34

Dave Cowens JKidd, Nowitski and D Wade better the Ewing, stop it...

mreinman wrote:

holfresh wrote:

mreinman wrote:http://www.ibtimes.com/top-50-greatest-nba-players-all-time-where-jordan-kobe-lebron-bird-land-basketball-1952638
http://thehoopdoctors.com/2013/03/top-50-nba-players-of-all-time/#34

Dave Cowens JKidd, Nowitski and D Wade better the Ewing, stop it...

don't know about cowens but the other 3 were def better. Lets not pick apart the lists, there is much to argue about.

how about finding me just one list that ewing ranks higher than Barkley?

DWade better than Ewing??.DWade is not a top 50 player..First of all, those rankings are all bs..They are all completely wrong..I can put together a better list minus the dudes I never saw...Ewing was the greatest Knick ever, ahead of Clyde and Reed..

If I'm starting a team, I picking Ewing over Barkley every day of the week and twice on Sunday's..

Earl Monroe ahead of Ewing, stop it..

mreinman wrote:

holfresh wrote:

mreinman wrote:

holfresh wrote:

mreinman wrote:http://www.ibtimes.com/top-50-greatest-nba-players-all-time-where-jordan-kobe-lebron-bird-land-basketball-1952638
http://thehoopdoctors.com/2013/03/top-50-nba-players-of-all-time/#34

Dave Cowens JKidd, Nowitski and D Wade better the Ewing, stop it...

don't know about cowens but the other 3 were def better. Lets not pick apart the lists, there is much to argue about.

how about finding me just one list that ewing ranks higher than Barkley?

DWade better than Ewing??.DWade is not a top 50 player..First of all, those rankings are all bs..They are all completely wrong..I can put together a better list minus the dudes I never saw...Ewing was the greatest Knick ever, ahead of Clyde and Reed..

If I'm starting a team, I picking Ewing over Barkley every day of the week and twice on Sunday's..

solid and rationale arguments you put forth ...

I have to be the most biased cat out there..I just can't see it..Ewing was my favorite player..Ewing was taking the Knicks toe to toe against greatest player and the greatest team ever with one of the greatest coaches year after year with Ewing being on sole offensive threat..My shades are rose colored..No way I could see any of those players competing against MJ the way Ewing competed, I biased..