dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:

fishmike wrote:

blkexec wrote:

holfresh wrote:

blkexec wrote:

holfresh wrote:

blkexec wrote:Mudiay is not the first player or last player that will shine from Zinger and Grant's draft class. I'm not understanding the motivation with this thread. We can't have a draft selection for every single player in each draft. So there will be players to slip through the cracks. You cant control what not in your control. It's ok to be a fan of other players.....But there's something about going over board over something that doesn't belong to you. Thats when it becomes an issue.....

So the plan is stick you head in the sand, ignore and don't discuss other options than the ones we made??

Next time I'll re-title the thread..I don't see Mudiay light up summer league...

The title of your thread states: "Mudiay was the pick to be made at 4"

That doesn't sound like a thread about a player lighting up SL. It sounds like that 12 yr old we saw crying after KP was picked. How is mudiay an option right now? This isn't a discussion about other options.....This is a discussion about OPP. "Other Peoples Property"

I'm one of the biggest Mudiay fans here....But it's time to get over it and move on. Wait until he becomes a free agent.....The draft is over! We don't have Towns, Mudiay, WCS, Russell.....We drafted KP and Grant. Now you have two options. Cry the entire season about why Phil didn't pick Mudiay? And while you are at it, replace Mudiays name with all the other draft picks we didn't select in NBA history. The other option is look at the good in the picks we have. You will have less grey hairs with option 2.....

Does it offend you if I have a difference of opinion.Why would u want a forum with homogenous thinking..This place was set up for questions and discussions..It is my right to question whether or not we made the correct choice at the 4th pick..Trying to shame me into group think it a little weak..Most of us have never seen Mudiay play prior to Summer League..Acting like he isn't balling and not examining him as an option for this team is juvenile..

It's an open forum.....I will never and can never control what you say, think or write. Freedom of speech. I wasn't trying to come across that way. But I'm a little confused on how Mudiay is an option right now. He was an option...And would've been a good talent to have, but not sure if he WAS a great option for the triangle.

But it's like buying a BMW (which I just bought)....Then a few days later, my neighbor bought a different BMW that looks better and it was within my financial range. There's nothing I can do about it now. Do I stare in the window at him and his car.....Or check that off as a mental note and move on until the next opportunity to buy another car. And by then, I might not even want a BMW anymore.

So again, you can and I'm sure you will say and write about anything you want. I just don't see how Mudiay RIGHT NOW....is an option for us. And I don't see how you or anybody can say based on a few summer league games watching Mudiay in a completely different system, under a different coach with different players, would've been any better than Grant.

Thats my opinion, just like you have yours.

thats the point holfresh... we all argued get this guy or that guy BEFORE the draft. At this point its just sour grapes. Again.. look at the title of the thread.

Is it time to go home yet? Ug... 4:30, where are you?

The point of this thread is that I never saw Mudiay play until now..I'm just saying that if I had the information that the Knick brass had prior to the draft, I'm picking Mudiay...They saw Mudiay play before the draft and knew what he is capable of in a game..Based on what I have seen for the first time, my pick is Mudiay..If I said it three years from now, it carries no weight, it's hindsight..Right now, Mudaiy court awareness is something I have only seen with a few talented players..It's hard for me to pass this kid based on that..

And for me, hoping Porzingis gets stronger I think is just crazy..It's beyond anything I have ever heard..I don't think it possible for someone to gain the strength required to play the post in the NBA when at the start of your career, guards can push you anywhere they want to...For me, that's a big bet and some long odds..

so you are predicting greatness for mudiay based on his summer league performance against summer league competition. cool.

holfresh wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

holfresh wrote:

fishmike wrote:

blkexec wrote:

holfresh wrote:

blkexec wrote:

holfresh wrote:

blkexec wrote:Mudiay is not the first player or last player that will shine from Zinger and Grant's draft class. I'm not understanding the motivation with this thread. We can't have a draft selection for every single player in each draft. So there will be players to slip through the cracks. You cant control what not in your control. It's ok to be a fan of other players.....But there's something about going over board over something that doesn't belong to you. Thats when it becomes an issue.....

So the plan is stick you head in the sand, ignore and don't discuss other options than the ones we made??

Next time I'll re-title the thread..I don't see Mudiay light up summer league...

The title of your thread states: "Mudiay was the pick to be made at 4"

That doesn't sound like a thread about a player lighting up SL. It sounds like that 12 yr old we saw crying after KP was picked. How is mudiay an option right now? This isn't a discussion about other options.....This is a discussion about OPP. "Other Peoples Property"

I'm one of the biggest Mudiay fans here....But it's time to get over it and move on. Wait until he becomes a free agent.....The draft is over! We don't have Towns, Mudiay, WCS, Russell.....We drafted KP and Grant. Now you have two options. Cry the entire season about why Phil didn't pick Mudiay? And while you are at it, replace Mudiays name with all the other draft picks we didn't select in NBA history. The other option is look at the good in the picks we have. You will have less grey hairs with option 2.....

Does it offend you if I have a difference of opinion.Why would u want a forum with homogenous thinking..This place was set up for questions and discussions..It is my right to question whether or not we made the correct choice at the 4th pick..Trying to shame me into group think it a little weak..Most of us have never seen Mudiay play prior to Summer League..Acting like he isn't balling and not examining him as an option for this team is juvenile..

It's an open forum.....I will never and can never control what you say, think or write. Freedom of speech. I wasn't trying to come across that way. But I'm a little confused on how Mudiay is an option right now. He was an option...And would've been a good talent to have, but not sure if he WAS a great option for the triangle.

But it's like buying a BMW (which I just bought)....Then a few days later, my neighbor bought a different BMW that looks better and it was within my financial range. There's nothing I can do about it now. Do I stare in the window at him and his car.....Or check that off as a mental note and move on until the next opportunity to buy another car. And by then, I might not even want a BMW anymore.

So again, you can and I'm sure you will say and write about anything you want. I just don't see how Mudiay RIGHT NOW....is an option for us. And I don't see how you or anybody can say based on a few summer league games watching Mudiay in a completely different system, under a different coach with different players, would've been any better than Grant.

Thats my opinion, just like you have yours.

thats the point holfresh... we all argued get this guy or that guy BEFORE the draft. At this point its just sour grapes. Again.. look at the title of the thread.

Is it time to go home yet? Ug... 4:30, where are you?

The point of this thread is that I never saw Mudiay play until now..I'm just saying that if I had the information that the Knick brass had prior to the draft, I'm picking Mudiay...They saw Mudiay play before the draft and knew what he is capable of in a game..Based on what I have seen for the first time, my pick is Mudiay..If I said it three years from now, it carries no weight, it's hindsight..Right now, Mudaiy court awareness is something I have only seen with a few talented players..It's hard for me to pass this kid based on that..

And for me, hoping Porzingis gets stronger I think is just crazy..It's beyond anything I have ever heard..I don't think it possible for someone to gain the strength required to play the post in the NBA when at the start of your career, guards can push you anywhere they want to...For me, that's a big bet and some long odds..

Why would phil pick a player like Mudiay, and he's won 11 rings with below avg pg's.. He may be more talented right now, but he by no stretch of the imagination will he be better, and to compare a pg and pf/c is super ridiculous.. you wouldn't compare nash to shaq

What baffles me is how do you guys know how much better Prozingis is going to be given that players his age are already ahead of him in development..What tells you that Porzingis will get another gear in development and surpass people of the same age already more skilled than hi despite Porzingis have already been a professional player?

You look at his size and natural ability to go along with his attitude. There are possibly more tools in his arsenal to be a really good player then almost anyone in the draft other then maybe Towns.And his attitude might be better then Towns. Tho I need more info on Towns to make that claim.

Unlike Bargs or other weak rebounders his rebounding isn't weak because of low IQ or lack of desire. Its purely due to lack of strength and getting pushed out of the box. Which is very fixable. He isn't purley based off of finesse either he scraps.

BigRedDog wrote:

holfresh wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

holfresh wrote:

fishmike wrote:

blkexec wrote:

holfresh wrote:

blkexec wrote:

holfresh wrote:

blkexec wrote:Mudiay is not the first player or last player that will shine from Zinger and Grant's draft class. I'm not understanding the motivation with this thread. We can't have a draft selection for every single player in each draft. So there will be players to slip through the cracks. You cant control what not in your control. It's ok to be a fan of other players.....But there's something about going over board over something that doesn't belong to you. Thats when it becomes an issue.....

So the plan is stick you head in the sand, ignore and don't discuss other options than the ones we made??

Next time I'll re-title the thread..I don't see Mudiay light up summer league...

The title of your thread states: "Mudiay was the pick to be made at 4"

That doesn't sound like a thread about a player lighting up SL. It sounds like that 12 yr old we saw crying after KP was picked. How is mudiay an option right now? This isn't a discussion about other options.....This is a discussion about OPP. "Other Peoples Property"

I'm one of the biggest Mudiay fans here....But it's time to get over it and move on. Wait until he becomes a free agent.....The draft is over! We don't have Towns, Mudiay, WCS, Russell.....We drafted KP and Grant. Now you have two options. Cry the entire season about why Phil didn't pick Mudiay? And while you are at it, replace Mudiays name with all the other draft picks we didn't select in NBA history. The other option is look at the good in the picks we have. You will have less grey hairs with option 2.....

Does it offend you if I have a difference of opinion.Why would u want a forum with homogenous thinking..This place was set up for questions and discussions..It is my right to question whether or not we made the correct choice at the 4th pick..Trying to shame me into group think it a little weak..Most of us have never seen Mudiay play prior to Summer League..Acting like he isn't balling and not examining him as an option for this team is juvenile..

It's an open forum.....I will never and can never control what you say, think or write. Freedom of speech. I wasn't trying to come across that way. But I'm a little confused on how Mudiay is an option right now. He was an option...And would've been a good talent to have, but not sure if he WAS a great option for the triangle.

But it's like buying a BMW (which I just bought)....Then a few days later, my neighbor bought a different BMW that looks better and it was within my financial range. There's nothing I can do about it now. Do I stare in the window at him and his car.....Or check that off as a mental note and move on until the next opportunity to buy another car. And by then, I might not even want a BMW anymore.

So again, you can and I'm sure you will say and write about anything you want. I just don't see how Mudiay RIGHT NOW....is an option for us. And I don't see how you or anybody can say based on a few summer league games watching Mudiay in a completely different system, under a different coach with different players, would've been any better than Grant.

Thats my opinion, just like you have yours.

thats the point holfresh... we all argued get this guy or that guy BEFORE the draft. At this point its just sour grapes. Again.. look at the title of the thread.

Is it time to go home yet? Ug... 4:30, where are you?

The point of this thread is that I never saw Mudiay play until now..I'm just saying that if I had the information that the Knick brass had prior to the draft, I'm picking Mudiay...They saw Mudiay play before the draft and knew what he is capable of in a game..Based on what I have seen for the first time, my pick is Mudiay..If I said it three years from now, it carries no weight, it's hindsight..Right now, Mudaiy court awareness is something I have only seen with a few talented players..It's hard for me to pass this kid based on that..

And for me, hoping Porzingis gets stronger I think is just crazy..It's beyond anything I have ever heard..I don't think it possible for someone to gain the strength required to play the post in the NBA when at the start of your career, guards can push you anywhere they want to...For me, that's a big bet and some long odds..

Why would phil pick a player like Mudiay, and he's won 11 rings with below avg pg's.. He may be more talented right now, but he by no stretch of the imagination will he be better, and to compare a pg and pf/c is super ridiculous.. you wouldn't compare nash to shaq

What baffles me is how do you guys know how much better Prozingis is going to be given that players his age are already ahead of him in development..What tells you that Porzingis will get another gear in development and surpass people of the same age already more skilled than hi despite Porzingis have already been a professional player?

That really is so ridiculous. Saying someone is better than another player in your opinion at age 19, therefore he will be better than him at age 23 or even at age 30?. Really so ridiculous. Clyde was just talking about how in his rookie yr he averaged 8pts and then his 2nd yr he averaged 18pts. All you have seen is 5 summer league games. And now you are telling us how the next 10yrs are going to go. Doesnt even make sense to argue because there is no fact behind your statement

I never said one player would be better than another in this entire thread..I gave reasons why I would pick on player and not pick another..I said I like Mudiay's overall court awareness..I also said that I don't see the point in acquiring a 7 foot jump shooter..

Now, if you look at my selection, you would see that I would like him to build on talents he already have..But folks are hoping Porzingis becomes a different player..

The 10 years came into play because some have said that Phil is making this pick because he wants a player for the next 10 years..My question is why isn't Mudiay a player for the next 10'years as well?? Isn't he 19 years old too?

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

holfresh wrote:

fishmike wrote:

blkexec wrote:

holfresh wrote:

blkexec wrote:

holfresh wrote:

blkexec wrote:Mudiay is not the first player or last player that will shine from Zinger and Grant's draft class. I'm not understanding the motivation with this thread. We can't have a draft selection for every single player in each draft. So there will be players to slip through the cracks. You cant control what not in your control. It's ok to be a fan of other players.....But there's something about going over board over something that doesn't belong to you. Thats when it becomes an issue.....

So the plan is stick you head in the sand, ignore and don't discuss other options than the ones we made??

Next time I'll re-title the thread..I don't see Mudiay light up summer league...

The title of your thread states: "Mudiay was the pick to be made at 4"

That doesn't sound like a thread about a player lighting up SL. It sounds like that 12 yr old we saw crying after KP was picked. How is mudiay an option right now? This isn't a discussion about other options.....This is a discussion about OPP. "Other Peoples Property"

I'm one of the biggest Mudiay fans here....But it's time to get over it and move on. Wait until he becomes a free agent.....The draft is over! We don't have Towns, Mudiay, WCS, Russell.....We drafted KP and Grant. Now you have two options. Cry the entire season about why Phil didn't pick Mudiay? And while you are at it, replace Mudiays name with all the other draft picks we didn't select in NBA history. The other option is look at the good in the picks we have. You will have less grey hairs with option 2.....

Does it offend you if I have a difference of opinion.Why would u want a forum with homogenous thinking..This place was set up for questions and discussions..It is my right to question whether or not we made the correct choice at the 4th pick..Trying to shame me into group think it a little weak..Most of us have never seen Mudiay play prior to Summer League..Acting like he isn't balling and not examining him as an option for this team is juvenile..

It's an open forum.....I will never and can never control what you say, think or write. Freedom of speech. I wasn't trying to come across that way. But I'm a little confused on how Mudiay is an option right now. He was an option...And would've been a good talent to have, but not sure if he WAS a great option for the triangle.

But it's like buying a BMW (which I just bought)....Then a few days later, my neighbor bought a different BMW that looks better and it was within my financial range. There's nothing I can do about it now. Do I stare in the window at him and his car.....Or check that off as a mental note and move on until the next opportunity to buy another car. And by then, I might not even want a BMW anymore.

So again, you can and I'm sure you will say and write about anything you want. I just don't see how Mudiay RIGHT NOW....is an option for us. And I don't see how you or anybody can say based on a few summer league games watching Mudiay in a completely different system, under a different coach with different players, would've been any better than Grant.

Thats my opinion, just like you have yours.

thats the point holfresh... we all argued get this guy or that guy BEFORE the draft. At this point its just sour grapes. Again.. look at the title of the thread.

Is it time to go home yet? Ug... 4:30, where are you?

The point of this thread is that I never saw Mudiay play until now..I'm just saying that if I had the information that the Knick brass had prior to the draft, I'm picking Mudiay...They saw Mudiay play before the draft and knew what he is capable of in a game..Based on what I have seen for the first time, my pick is Mudiay..If I said it three years from now, it carries no weight, it's hindsight..Right now, Mudaiy court awareness is something I have only seen with a few talented players..It's hard for me to pass this kid based on that..

And for me, hoping Porzingis gets stronger I think is just crazy..It's beyond anything I have ever heard..I don't think it possible for someone to gain the strength required to play the post in the NBA when at the start of your career, guards can push you anywhere they want to...For me, that's a big bet and some long odds..

Why would phil pick a player like Mudiay, and he's won 11 rings with below avg pg's.. He may be more talented right now, but he by no stretch of the imagination will he be better, and to compare a pg and pf/c is super ridiculous.. you wouldn't compare nash to shaq

What baffles me is how do you guys know how much better Prozingis is going to be given that players his age are already ahead of him in development..What tells you that Porzingis will get another gear in development and surpass people of the same age already more skilled than hi despite Porzingis have already been a professional player?

even if KP turns out to be not as good as mudiay the fact remains that action jackson is instituting system basketball in msg and there is nothing to indicate that mudiay would be able to fit his game to the system, in fact the system may squander his skills. we also need two-way players, and there is no indication that mudiay will become a good defensive player.

by contrast, porzingis has already demonstrated a very good court awareness on defense and seems willing to fit into a system. there is no denying that despite his thinness that he is an athlete who plays basketball.

lastly, your agenda is partially driven by your wish to see melo win a title in new york. phil jackson did not see that happening and is now steering the franchise into a future beyond melo...

as you say, melo got his money so he is already a winner in your world. why aren't you happy?

Outside of shooting, there is nothing that Grant who was drafted by Phil can do that Mudiay can't do and better..I have never heard of not drafting a player because he is too talented for what we require..

holfresh wrote:

fishmike wrote:

blkexec wrote:

holfresh wrote:

blkexec wrote:

holfresh wrote:

blkexec wrote:Mudiay is not the first player or last player that will shine from Zinger and Grant's draft class. I'm not understanding the motivation with this thread. We can't have a draft selection for every single player in each draft. So there will be players to slip through the cracks. You cant control what not in your control. It's ok to be a fan of other players.....But there's something about going over board over something that doesn't belong to you. Thats when it becomes an issue.....

So the plan is stick you head in the sand, ignore and don't discuss other options than the ones we made??

Next time I'll re-title the thread..I don't see Mudiay light up summer league...

The title of your thread states: "Mudiay was the pick to be made at 4"

That doesn't sound like a thread about a player lighting up SL. It sounds like that 12 yr old we saw crying after KP was picked. How is mudiay an option right now? This isn't a discussion about other options.....This is a discussion about OPP. "Other Peoples Property"

I'm one of the biggest Mudiay fans here....But it's time to get over it and move on. Wait until he becomes a free agent.....The draft is over! We don't have Towns, Mudiay, WCS, Russell.....We drafted KP and Grant. Now you have two options. Cry the entire season about why Phil didn't pick Mudiay? And while you are at it, replace Mudiays name with all the other draft picks we didn't select in NBA history. The other option is look at the good in the picks we have. You will have less grey hairs with option 2.....

Does it offend you if I have a difference of opinion.Why would u want a forum with homogenous thinking..This place was set up for questions and discussions..It is my right to question whether or not we made the correct choice at the 4th pick..Trying to shame me into group think it a little weak..Most of us have never seen Mudiay play prior to Summer League..Acting like he isn't balling and not examining him as an option for this team is juvenile..

It's an open forum.....I will never and can never control what you say, think or write. Freedom of speech. I wasn't trying to come across that way. But I'm a little confused on how Mudiay is an option right now. He was an option...And would've been a good talent to have, but not sure if he WAS a great option for the triangle.

But it's like buying a BMW (which I just bought)....Then a few days later, my neighbor bought a different BMW that looks better and it was within my financial range. There's nothing I can do about it now. Do I stare in the window at him and his car.....Or check that off as a mental note and move on until the next opportunity to buy another car. And by then, I might not even want a BMW anymore.

So again, you can and I'm sure you will say and write about anything you want. I just don't see how Mudiay RIGHT NOW....is an option for us. And I don't see how you or anybody can say based on a few summer league games watching Mudiay in a completely different system, under a different coach with different players, would've been any better than Grant.

Thats my opinion, just like you have yours.

thats the point holfresh... we all argued get this guy or that guy BEFORE the draft. At this point its just sour grapes. Again.. look at the title of the thread.

Is it time to go home yet? Ug... 4:30, where are you?

The point of this thread is that I never saw Mudiay play until now..I'm just saying that if I had the information that the Knick brass had prior to the draft, I'm picking Mudiay...They saw Mudiay play before the draft and knew what he is capable of in a game..Based on what I have seen for the first time, my pick is Mudiay..If I said it three years from now, it carries no weight, it's hindsight..Right now, Mudaiy court awareness is something I have only seen with a few talented players..It's hard for me to pass this kid based on that..

And for me, hoping Porzingis gets stronger I think is just crazy..It's beyond anything I have ever heard..I don't think it possible for someone to gain the strength required to play the post in the NBA when at the start of your career, guards can push you anywhere they want to...For me, that's a big bet and some long odds..

I have an honest question. Why do you feel the need to exaggerate every weakness of Kristaps and then Shebeli ever strength of Mudiay then sweep under the rug his weaknesses?

Guards push Kristaps around really? Come now.

Also, you never heard people say Garnett needed to get stronger, or Pau, Dirk, Noah, Tyson, Favors, Ibaka, Bosh, Aldridge, Jermain O'neal, Gobert and there were even concerns about Davis needing to get stronger. I think people forget where others have started out from.

Also earlier you mentioned Rose has learned to shoot but it hasn't shown up yet on the court. The same can be said for Wall and Westbrook. Now, Mudiay is showing signs of fantastic court vision and he may get to those guys level/surpass but what those guys have that he don't is explosiveness and speed that few in the NBA can handle. Mudiay will be have to become a great finisher if he wants to be an upper ecalon talent on top of that he will have to rebound, ast, and defend to supplement his lack of efficiency.

He might be able to but he might not. What if he becomes a great attacker but never learns to shoot Fts? Also, why is he not getting to line in SL?

OldFan wrote:

holfresh wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

holfresh wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

holfresh wrote:

BigSm00th wrote:Mudiay is certainly a nice prospect and I would have liked that pick. Knowing what we know about Porzingis now, though, I don't see how you pass him up. I disagree with your statement "We needed a PG and an NBA ready player" - why did we need that? reality check - this team isn't going to win the NBA finals any time soon.

the Knicks needed the highest upside and to swing for the fences, and a 7'3 athlete who already has a picture-perfect jumper was the highest upside at pick 4 and arguably in the entire draft.

The reason you wanted an NBA ready player is that Melo is in his prime..Mudiay, Melo and the FA pieces added are a playoff team..

Think beyond Melo for once. Melo + Mudiay + say Robin Lopez makes the playoffs at say 42-40 as a 6th seed....SO WHAT!

You gotta look at the big picture. Porzingas and Grant if they pan out can make the Knicks competitive for years to come. Melo is 31 and just had major knee surgery, his window is closing fast, and no one in FA is coming to play with him no matter what anybody here thinks. Not Lamarcus, not Love, not Monroe, not Deandre...none of the above wanted to be here.

Time to "win from within" meaning work with our homegrown picks and establish a future with some continuity.

Forget Melo's time and prime, it's past already. Don't be so short sighted, separate yourself from the name on the jersey and root for the jersey instead...

Picking Mudiay is just like picking KP..Mudiay is the future and a franchise type player right now..Mudiay can potentially be better than Melo..This is not about Melo..

i dont remember you mentioning mudiay before. I remember you mentioning okafor which i understand since he was considered by most the best player in the draft. I think mudiay will be good but im not sure about frachise player. Either way its gonna take time

I didn't see Mudiay play at all..You can only appreciate his game if you see him play..If I had the war chest that MSG had, I can bet you I would have been in China a few weeks looking up this kid..I would have game video of all his games..He is a game player..Not a workout video guy..

I'm going to go out on a limb here and say Mudiay is not going to be as good as Melo. Melo isn't everything I'd like him to be, but the chance the Mudiay ends up better than Melo are pretty slim.

It's amazing to me how scouts watch these guys for years and still aren't sure who to select, when we have talent right here on UK that can watch a guy play against lousy competition for about 90 minutes and decide the guy is going to be an all-star. Phil is wasting his time hiring NBA scouts - why doesn't he just read this board. (Oh, that's right Phil's an idiot.)

yellowboy90 wrote:

holfresh wrote:

fishmike wrote:

blkexec wrote:

holfresh wrote:

blkexec wrote:

holfresh wrote:

blkexec wrote:Mudiay is not the first player or last player that will shine from Zinger and Grant's draft class. I'm not understanding the motivation with this thread. We can't have a draft selection for every single player in each draft. So there will be players to slip through the cracks. You cant control what not in your control. It's ok to be a fan of other players.....But there's something about going over board over something that doesn't belong to you. Thats when it becomes an issue.....

So the plan is stick you head in the sand, ignore and don't discuss other options than the ones we made??

Next time I'll re-title the thread..I don't see Mudiay light up summer league...

The title of your thread states: "Mudiay was the pick to be made at 4"

That doesn't sound like a thread about a player lighting up SL. It sounds like that 12 yr old we saw crying after KP was picked. How is mudiay an option right now? This isn't a discussion about other options.....This is a discussion about OPP. "Other Peoples Property"

I'm one of the biggest Mudiay fans here....But it's time to get over it and move on. Wait until he becomes a free agent.....The draft is over! We don't have Towns, Mudiay, WCS, Russell.....We drafted KP and Grant. Now you have two options. Cry the entire season about why Phil didn't pick Mudiay? And while you are at it, replace Mudiays name with all the other draft picks we didn't select in NBA history. The other option is look at the good in the picks we have. You will have less grey hairs with option 2.....

Does it offend you if I have a difference of opinion.Why would u want a forum with homogenous thinking..This place was set up for questions and discussions..It is my right to question whether or not we made the correct choice at the 4th pick..Trying to shame me into group think it a little weak..Most of us have never seen Mudiay play prior to Summer League..Acting like he isn't balling and not examining him as an option for this team is juvenile..

It's an open forum.....I will never and can never control what you say, think or write. Freedom of speech. I wasn't trying to come across that way. But I'm a little confused on how Mudiay is an option right now. He was an option...And would've been a good talent to have, but not sure if he WAS a great option for the triangle.

But it's like buying a BMW (which I just bought)....Then a few days later, my neighbor bought a different BMW that looks better and it was within my financial range. There's nothing I can do about it now. Do I stare in the window at him and his car.....Or check that off as a mental note and move on until the next opportunity to buy another car. And by then, I might not even want a BMW anymore.

So again, you can and I'm sure you will say and write about anything you want. I just don't see how Mudiay RIGHT NOW....is an option for us. And I don't see how you or anybody can say based on a few summer league games watching Mudiay in a completely different system, under a different coach with different players, would've been any better than Grant.

Thats my opinion, just like you have yours.

thats the point holfresh... we all argued get this guy or that guy BEFORE the draft. At this point its just sour grapes. Again.. look at the title of the thread.

Is it time to go home yet? Ug... 4:30, where are you?

The point of this thread is that I never saw Mudiay play until now..I'm just saying that if I had the information that the Knick brass had prior to the draft, I'm picking Mudiay...They saw Mudiay play before the draft and knew what he is capable of in a game..Based on what I have seen for the first time, my pick is Mudiay..If I said it three years from now, it carries no weight, it's hindsight..Right now, Mudaiy court awareness is something I have only seen with a few talented players..It's hard for me to pass this kid based on that..

And for me, hoping Porzingis gets stronger I think is just crazy..It's beyond anything I have ever heard..I don't think it possible for someone to gain the strength required to play the post in the NBA when at the start of your career, guards can push you anywhere they want to...For me, that's a big bet and some long odds..

I have an honest question. Why do you feel the need to exaggerate every weakness of Kristaps and then Shebeli ever strength of Mudiay then sweep under the rug his weaknesses?

Guards push Kristaps around really? Come now.

Also, you never heard people say Garnett needed to get stronger, or Pau, Dirk, Noah, Tyson, Favors, Ibaka, Bosh, Aldridge, Jermain O'neal, Gobert and there were even concerns about Davis needing to get stronger. I think people forget where others have started out from.

Also earlier you mentioned Rose has learned to shoot but it hasn't shown up yet on the court. The same can be said for Wall and Westbrook. Now, Mudiay is showing signs of fantastic court vision and he may get to those guys level/surpass but what those guys have that he don't is explosiveness and speed that few in the NBA can handle. Mudiay will be have to become a great finisher if he wants to be an upper ecalon talent on top of that he will have to rebound, ast, and defend to supplement his lack of efficiency.

He might be able to but he might not. What if he becomes a great attacker but never learns to shoot Fts? Also, why is he not getting to line in SL?

I have said many many times that Mudiay is an awful shooter..Many times..I have said to dk7 that he is loose with his handle..

Rose was league MVP, Westbrook is a top 10 player and was amazing last year..I don't get your point there..

Honestly, have you ever seen an NBA big man get pushed around so easily who gained strength to become an effective post player?..Ewing and Hakeem had post moves first year in college..

holfresh wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

holfresh wrote:

fishmike wrote:

blkexec wrote:

holfresh wrote:

blkexec wrote:

holfresh wrote:

blkexec wrote:Mudiay is not the first player or last player that will shine from Zinger and Grant's draft class. I'm not understanding the motivation with this thread. We can't have a draft selection for every single player in each draft. So there will be players to slip through the cracks. You cant control what not in your control. It's ok to be a fan of other players.....But there's something about going over board over something that doesn't belong to you. Thats when it becomes an issue.....

So the plan is stick you head in the sand, ignore and don't discuss other options than the ones we made??

Next time I'll re-title the thread..I don't see Mudiay light up summer league...

The title of your thread states: "Mudiay was the pick to be made at 4"

That doesn't sound like a thread about a player lighting up SL. It sounds like that 12 yr old we saw crying after KP was picked. How is mudiay an option right now? This isn't a discussion about other options.....This is a discussion about OPP. "Other Peoples Property"

I'm one of the biggest Mudiay fans here....But it's time to get over it and move on. Wait until he becomes a free agent.....The draft is over! We don't have Towns, Mudiay, WCS, Russell.....We drafted KP and Grant. Now you have two options. Cry the entire season about why Phil didn't pick Mudiay? And while you are at it, replace Mudiays name with all the other draft picks we didn't select in NBA history. The other option is look at the good in the picks we have. You will have less grey hairs with option 2.....

Does it offend you if I have a difference of opinion.Why would u want a forum with homogenous thinking..This place was set up for questions and discussions..It is my right to question whether or not we made the correct choice at the 4th pick..Trying to shame me into group think it a little weak..Most of us have never seen Mudiay play prior to Summer League..Acting like he isn't balling and not examining him as an option for this team is juvenile..

It's an open forum.....I will never and can never control what you say, think or write. Freedom of speech. I wasn't trying to come across that way. But I'm a little confused on how Mudiay is an option right now. He was an option...And would've been a good talent to have, but not sure if he WAS a great option for the triangle.

But it's like buying a BMW (which I just bought)....Then a few days later, my neighbor bought a different BMW that looks better and it was within my financial range. There's nothing I can do about it now. Do I stare in the window at him and his car.....Or check that off as a mental note and move on until the next opportunity to buy another car. And by then, I might not even want a BMW anymore.

So again, you can and I'm sure you will say and write about anything you want. I just don't see how Mudiay RIGHT NOW....is an option for us. And I don't see how you or anybody can say based on a few summer league games watching Mudiay in a completely different system, under a different coach with different players, would've been any better than Grant.

Thats my opinion, just like you have yours.

thats the point holfresh... we all argued get this guy or that guy BEFORE the draft. At this point its just sour grapes. Again.. look at the title of the thread.

Is it time to go home yet? Ug... 4:30, where are you?

The point of this thread is that I never saw Mudiay play until now..I'm just saying that if I had the information that the Knick brass had prior to the draft, I'm picking Mudiay...They saw Mudiay play before the draft and knew what he is capable of in a game..Based on what I have seen for the first time, my pick is Mudiay..If I said it three years from now, it carries no weight, it's hindsight..Right now, Mudaiy court awareness is something I have only seen with a few talented players..It's hard for me to pass this kid based on that..

And for me, hoping Porzingis gets stronger I think is just crazy..It's beyond anything I have ever heard..I don't think it possible for someone to gain the strength required to play the post in the NBA when at the start of your career, guards can push you anywhere they want to...For me, that's a big bet and some long odds..

I have an honest question. Why do you feel the need to exaggerate every weakness of Kristaps and then Shebeli ever strength of Mudiay then sweep under the rug his weaknesses?

Guards push Kristaps around really? Come now.

Also, you never heard people say Garnett needed to get stronger, or Pau, Dirk, Noah, Tyson, Favors, Ibaka, Bosh, Aldridge, Jermain O'neal, Gobert and there were even concerns about Davis needing to get stronger. I think people forget where others have started out from.

Also earlier you mentioned Rose has learned to shoot but it hasn't shown up yet on the court. The same can be said for Wall and Westbrook. Now, Mudiay is showing signs of fantastic court vision and he may get to those guys level/surpass but what those guys have that he don't is explosiveness and speed that few in the NBA can handle. Mudiay will be have to become a great finisher if he wants to be an upper ecalon talent on top of that he will have to rebound, ast, and defend to supplement his lack of efficiency.

He might be able to but he might not. What if he becomes a great attacker but never learns to shoot Fts? Also, why is he not getting to line in SL?

I have said many many times that Mudiay is an awful shooter..Many times..I have said to dk7 that he is loose with his handle..

Rose was league MVP, Westbrook is a top 10 player and was amazing last year..I don't get your point there..

Honestly, have you ever seen an NBA big man get pushed around so easily who gained strength to become an effective post player?..Ewing and Hakeem had post moves first year in college..

Rose and Westbrook has something Mudiay doesn't have, unique speed and explosiveness. Those two traits is what lets them get away with being a poor shooter on offense. Mudiay might have problems getting to the rim and finishing plus he will need to get to the FT line like those two guys but those two shoot above 80% from the line. So even if Mudiay gets their it could be wasted(beside accumulating personals).

I think Mudiay can be good but there are real question marks around his game.