holfresh wrote:Scottie Pippen is a top 50 player...Bleacher put out a piece saying he should be top 20 of all time...Rodman was one of the best defender/best rebounders in the history of the NBA..

Bro u can't be serious..U are embarrassing yourself..Is this immature hour?.

wh4t wrote:Some Knick fans are just as worst as these journalists with the unwarranted hate for Melo. Melo is cool in my book and i hope he plays well next season and retires a Knick

I disagree. I think he's wore out his welcome, and deserves all the criticism coming his way.

This guy is not in the same class as other Knick greats that have their jerseys retired in the rafters.

He's an expensive Merc from West Baltimore who just happened to be born in Brooklyn, NY for a New York minute. No true ties to the city, just plays here for exposure and growing his portfolio after bball.

He doesn't bleed Orange and Blue like Reed, Debusschere, Frazier, Monroe, Bradley, Ewing, Starks, Oakley, LJ, Houston.

Just a hired inefficient gun.

Whether it is with assistant coaches/development coaches/ and trainers (with trainers with proven record like for Anthony Davis, KG, Dirk, and players of that sort, along with other trainers for guards, and G/F's)
Different trainers for different positions along with both ON THE BASKETBALL TRAINERS and IN THE GYM trainers

Kenny Atkinson was a solid development coach that I hope we could bring back

ChuckBuck wrote:

holfresh wrote:Ha...U better have a thick skin to play in NY..I just hope the media don't kill every chance of anyone decent coming here..

Forget about free agents coming, no one is dying to play with Melo.

Melo's escape was Chicago or Houston and he blew it for max money instead.

He made his bed now he has to lay in it.

You got it wrong, no ones dying to play with the players melo has around him, or a unproven coach.

secondly, Melo worked out with KP the monday after he was drafted, he also reached out to Grant (via text)right after he was drafted WTF

Phill has been preaching team ball, and "it's not about one guy" since he started coaching the Bulls. So this writer can preach this sht to people who just started watching basketball, and are just finding out about phill and his philosophy.

I don't think melo or any other proven all star needs to show up to summer league to prove anything, their on vacation.

holfresh wrote:Just to illustrate our interactions..Our most recent..Everyone spoke about C Early having a nice game..dk7 offers up that he wasn't efficient..I let it slide..Later he mentions that Early didn't make anyone better..I then told dk7 that Early went 6-9 in that game...And he was second in assist for the entire summer league behind Grant..dk7 BS response was that I didn't understand context..U actually meant he want efficient in the triangle..I'm stunned at this point..

like i said: mark my words, bookmark the posts on cleanthony early and anything else you wish. when i am proven wrong please make sure to rub my face in them and make a fool out of me. i know what i have said over the years and virtually all of it tends to come true....

Melo made his muffugin bed, now he either needs to lie down in it or GTFO. Embrace the direction of the TEAM, or take your services someplace else. If you didn't want a rebuild, you should not have signed a max deal in NYC. WTF did you think was going on here?

Riley may have built a championship team using Lebron +2, but prior to that he wrote "The Winner Within", a book about how Magic transformed the Lakers by NOT being about himself. This is a team game. If it wasn't, then GS would not have beaten the Cavs in the Finals.

Again, great article. If you're one of the few remaining Melo fanboys, it's going to be a long and frustrating season for you unless you can accept the new direction of this team: Rebuild, system offense, team>starphuckery, etc.

Bout friggin time.

CrushAlot wrote:

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:Just to illustrate our interactions..Our most recent..Everyone spoke about C Early having a nice game..dk7 offers up that he wasn't efficient..I let it slide..Later he mentions that Early didn't make anyone better..I then told dk7 that Early went 6-9 in that game...And he was second in assist for the entire summer league behind Grant..dk7 BS response was that I didn't understand context..U actually meant he want efficient in the triangle..I'm stunned at this point..

like i said: mark my words, bookmark the posts on cleanthony early and anything else you wish. when i am proven wrong please make sure to rub my face in them and make a fool out of me. i know what i have said over the years and virtually all of it tends to come true....

He said what you said was wrong in the context that you said it.

you both have comprehension difficulties in regard to context and projecting performance. a classic example was the vaunted 54-28 season where i said that the knicks did not look like a legitimate contender to me. the response was basically "a win is a win" and "dk7th is an idiot." i asked the same question over and over: does this team look like a legitimate playoff team? it eventually was proven that they were not-- they were annihilated by the pacers after a real scare by the celts-- despite their 54-28 record. it's not that you win, it's HOW you win that matters... which is the obverse principle to seeing things in context.

cleanthony early offers another example. he's putting up some numbers in summer league that you are all not seeing in the context of playing within the triangle in the regular season.

here is the analogy

54-28 knicks : playoffs :: cleanthony early summer league performance : regular season play within the triangle

you and holfresh please bookmark this post and whatever else and rub my face in it when the time comes... or not. i know what i am talking about.

StarksEwing1 wrote:

wh4t wrote:Some Knick fans are just as worst as these journalists with the unwarranted hate for Melo. Melo is cool in my book and i hope he plays well next season and retires a Knick

I don't hate the guy I just think its time to move on. Phil is building for the future which I like and melo wants to win now(which I completely understand) However my one problem with melo is that he should have just gone to Chicago or Houston if he wanted to win right away but he wanted a full max deal as well. I never felt he was a guy you can build a contender around because he simply doesn't have strengths in all areas of the game. That's not a knock on him its just the way it is sometimes

CrushAlot wrote:

dk7th wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:Just to illustrate our interactions..Our most recent..Everyone spoke about C Early having a nice game..dk7 offers up that he wasn't efficient..I let it slide..Later he mentions that Early didn't make anyone better..I then told dk7 that Early went 6-9 in that game...And he was second in assist for the entire summer league behind Grant..dk7 BS response was that I didn't understand context..U actually meant he want efficient in the triangle..I'm stunned at this point..

like i said: mark my words, bookmark the posts on cleanthony early and anything else you wish. when i am proven wrong please make sure to rub my face in them and make a fool out of me. i know what i have said over the years and virtually all of it tends to come true....

He said what you said was wrong in the context that you said it.

you both have comprehension difficulties in regard to context and projecting performance. a classic example was the vaunted 54-28 season where i said that the knicks did not look like a legitimate contender to me. the response was basically "a win is a win" and "dk7th is an idiot." i asked the same question over and over: does this team look like a legitimate playoff team? it eventually was proven that they were not-- they were annihilated by the pacers after a real scare by the celts-- despite their 54-28 record. it's not that you win, it's HOW you win that matters... which is the obverse principle to seeing things in context.

cleanthony early offers another example. he's putting up some numbers in summer league that you are all not seeing in the context of playing within the triangle in the regular season.

here is the analogy

54-28 knicks : playoffs :: cleanthony early summer league performance : regular season play within the triangle

you and holfresh please bookmark this post and whatever else and rub my face in it when the time comes... or not. i know what i am talking about.

This is the context I was referring to.

holfresh
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Just to illustrate our interactions..Our most recent..Everyone spoke about C Early having a nice game..dk7 offers up that he wasn't efficient..I let it slide..Later he mentions that Early didn't make anyone better..I then told dk7 that Early went 6-9 in that game...And he was second in assist for the entire summer league behind Grant..dk7 BS response was that I didn't understand context..U actually meant he want efficient in the triangle..I'm stunned at this point..

i have already explained my assertions. he was operating, as usual, from a false assumption or inference, and you the tag team partner, seem eager to compound the false inference further.

you both look foolish and desperate.

i will say it again: i do not foresee cleanthony early becoming a good triangle player. do you have a problem with that?

holfresh wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:Not jealous of Melo on or off the court in the slightest.

4 years of his less than 3 assists a game, under 50% shooting, only 1 playoff round won, and the cost and picks to secure his less than stellar services has soured the majority of Knicks fans.

Have you ever noticed he says "I" or "myself" alot when he talks anything basketball.

Annoys the **** out of me.

The dude wants to win and for the most part plays hard to win...The guy want players to help him win and somehow you spin to mean he is anti-Knick, anti-team...He doesn't want what is best for the team...What else do u want...What other conclusion can I draw.Why are you worried about his off the court stuff when it doesn't interfere with his game??..Why are you worried about his so called brand??

He gutted the team to get here, if he wanted players he could of signed as a FA

dk7th wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

dk7th wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:Just to illustrate our interactions..Our most recent..Everyone spoke about C Early having a nice game..dk7 offers up that he wasn't efficient..I let it slide..Later he mentions that Early didn't make anyone better..I then told dk7 that Early went 6-9 in that game...And he was second in assist for the entire summer league behind Grant..dk7 BS response was that I didn't understand context..U actually meant he want efficient in the triangle..I'm stunned at this point..

like i said: mark my words, bookmark the posts on cleanthony early and anything else you wish. when i am proven wrong please make sure to rub my face in them and make a fool out of me. i know what i have said over the years and virtually all of it tends to come true....

He said what you said was wrong in the context that you said it.

you both have comprehension difficulties in regard to context and projecting performance. a classic example was the vaunted 54-28 season where i said that the knicks did not look like a legitimate contender to me. the response was basically "a win is a win" and "dk7th is an idiot." i asked the same question over and over: does this team look like a legitimate playoff team? it eventually was proven that they were not-- they were annihilated by the pacers after a real scare by the celts-- despite their 54-28 record. it's not that you win, it's HOW you win that matters... which is the obverse principle to seeing things in context.

cleanthony early offers another example. he's putting up some numbers in summer league that you are all not seeing in the context of playing within the triangle in the regular season.

here is the analogy

54-28 knicks : playoffs :: cleanthony early summer league performance : regular season play within the triangle

you and holfresh please bookmark this post and whatever else and rub my face in it when the time comes... or not. i know what i am talking about.

This is the context I was referring to.

holfresh
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7/16/2015 1:07 AM LAST EDITED: 7/16/2015 1:08 AM

Just to illustrate our interactions..Our most recent..Everyone spoke about C Early having a nice game..dk7 offers up that he wasn't efficient..I let it slide..Later he mentions that Early didn't make anyone better..I then told dk7 that Early went 6-9 in that game...And he was second in assist for the entire summer league behind Grant..dk7 BS response was that I didn't understand context..U actually meant he want efficient in the triangle..I'm stunned at this point..

i have already explained my assertions. he was operating, as usual, from a false assumption or inference, and you the tag team partner, seem eager to compound the false inference further.

you both look foolish and desperate.

i will say it again: i do not foresee cleanthony early becoming a good triangle player. do you have a problem with that?