WaltLongmire wrote:

FistOfOakley wrote:

EwingsGlass wrote:I guess that begs the question -- if I am signing a player based on what he can become versus what he already is, should I be issuing a max contract? If it's not a perfect fit, why overpay? If we are in transition, I should be bargain hunting and creating contracts that have built in value on signing. Otherwise you are a prospector - a gambler. you can say player valuations are shifting based on the 2016 cap projections so that the 15.8 max is already a value add contract. To prove it to me, you would have to give me 5 or so teams that would trade for Monroe with that max contract and give me real value in return. Put it back - what would you trade for Monroe at a max contract? Nobody traded for him at the deadline...

just because it doesn't 'seem' like a perfect fit doesn't mean that it can't be...

and he's already a good player and it's reasonable to project at least the same type of production in his age 25-29 seasons... what that translates to in wins and losses we don't know but it's worth a shot...

his value shouldn't tank unless we're ready to give him up for cheap... zach randolph was a similar player... and probably not a flattering example... but he was still a good player by the time we traded him ... we chose the salary dump route but it wasn't too difficult to unload the contract seeing as how he was still a wildly productive player...

it took randolph a few stops but the grizz and blazers found a good way to use him and win... but they also had gasol and sheed which we don't have but that's what the draft and 2016 is for...

Monroe would replace Amundson, no? . Amundson actually seemed to take to the Triangle, and we frequently had him in the post, where Monroe is at his best, offensively and as a passer. If Amundson had been a more consistent shooter, that would have been great, but he probably shot more jumpers in the time he played for us last season than he had previously shot in his career during his his non-garbage time minutes. He even started hitting a few. I would think Monroe would be much better in that position.

Like to see him lose about 10lbs, though- would help his D.

I don't doubt Monroe and his ability to play in the triangle, I question his ability to anchor the ad at the other side. And putting Monroe at PF with Melo at SF puts two players at their less efficient positions...I need convincing that the increases on offense are not offset by the defensive shortcomings.

EwingsGlass wrote:

WaltLongmire wrote:

FistOfOakley wrote:

EwingsGlass wrote:I guess that begs the question -- if I am signing a player based on what he can become versus what he already is, should I be issuing a max contract? If it's not a perfect fit, why overpay? If we are in transition, I should be bargain hunting and creating contracts that have built in value on signing. Otherwise you are a prospector - a gambler. you can say player valuations are shifting based on the 2016 cap projections so that the 15.8 max is already a value add contract. To prove it to me, you would have to give me 5 or so teams that would trade for Monroe with that max contract and give me real value in return. Put it back - what would you trade for Monroe at a max contract? Nobody traded for him at the deadline...

just because it doesn't 'seem' like a perfect fit doesn't mean that it can't be...

and he's already a good player and it's reasonable to project at least the same type of production in his age 25-29 seasons... what that translates to in wins and losses we don't know but it's worth a shot...

his value shouldn't tank unless we're ready to give him up for cheap... zach randolph was a similar player... and probably not a flattering example... but he was still a good player by the time we traded him ... we chose the salary dump route but it wasn't too difficult to unload the contract seeing as how he was still a wildly productive player...

it took randolph a few stops but the grizz and blazers found a good way to use him and win... but they also had gasol and sheed which we don't have but that's what the draft and 2016 is for...

Monroe would replace Amundson, no? . Amundson actually seemed to take to the Triangle, and we frequently had him in the post, where Monroe is at his best, offensively and as a passer. If Amundson had been a more consistent shooter, that would have been great, but he probably shot more jumpers in the time he played for us last season than he had previously shot in his career during his his non-garbage time minutes. He even started hitting a few. I would think Monroe would be much better in that position.

Like to see him lose about 10lbs, though- would help his D.

I don't doubt Monroe and his ability to play in the triangle, I question his ability to anchor the ad at the other side. And putting Monroe at PF with Melo at SF puts two players at their less efficient positions...I need convincing that the increases on offense are not offset by the defensive shortcomings.

I'm pretty sure Phil won't leave Monroe alone in the Front court without a rim protector. It's literally the one thing Phil has talked about the most. It's the main reason WCS has been rumored to be the Draft pick. It's the most logical pairing.

Phil gets his new twin towers with scoring, rebounding and defense. It also takes the load off Melo to have to deal with bigger players pounding on him. He can look to post up smaller SF's. On D Melo and Monroe would have help from WCS.

TPercy wrote:Why not move Melo to PF and then aquire a Sf in FA

I'm pretty sure Phil intends to have Melo play some SF to start games. If he drafts WCS he'd have him play PF and Monroe at C. Even if he doesn't pick WCS I would expect him to bring in a rim protector to play next to Monroe.

nixluva wrote:

TPercy wrote:Why not move Melo to PF and then aquire a Sf in FA

I'm pretty sure Phil intends to have Melo play some SF to start games. If he drafts WCS he'd have him play PF and Monroe at C. Even if he doesn't pick WCS I would expect him to bring in a rim protector to play next to Monroe.

Why can't Melo be the "post" or "go to player" in the triangle at the 4 spot? He offers quickness, strength, and ability to score from anywhere. Not to mention he has shown this season that can pass out of a double team and be a team contributor. Plus it isn't a certainty that Monroe is coming here either.( I really don't know, if he is coming here then forget what I said)

BRIGGS wrote:

newyorker4ever wrote:

WaltLongmire wrote:

newyorker4ever wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

newyorker4ever wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

s3231 wrote:Exactly...we're not the Pistons coming off an NBA title and deciding between Melo/Darko/Wade...

We need talent first and foremost and at #4, the mindset has to be taking the player you think will be the best. If Phil really thinks WCS is that guy, fine....but to draft him on need makes no sense for our current situation.

I guarantee we will take Stein OVER 1 of Okafor Porzingis Kaminsky Russell or even all of them. Danilo Fuzaro is BETTER than Stein.

By looking at how badly your draft board worked against you last year i don't think you should be making guarantees on how this one will work out. Will you be doing a complete first round mock this year???

What are you talking about? You sound like a little kid who heard 1/4 of a conversation and chimes in like he knows what's up . That's not my draft board its a game where there are a dozen participants

Ok, so will you be making a first round draft board for this draft so we can see how many you can get right??

You do know that if he does this, you will have to keep his picks, and 5 years down the road see how everyone has done in relation to where they are picked.

Funny, but I bet some folks will see players they think should be picked by this or that team, go to those teams, and believe that was the best pick for that team.

The thinking process is that you should want your team to pick the best player for your team, not the guy you think they should pick.

We all argue about this- that is what this forum is for- but if I'm wrong about a guy who becomes a great Knick I will admit it and be damn happy about it.

The problem is that you won't know for a number of years whether you made the right pick.

I was was pretty pissed off when we lost Landry Fields to Toronto...ain't pissed off now.

So even if the Knicks take someone I really want us to take, I'm not some kind of "winner" worthy of gloating, because we won't know if he was the right pick for a few years.

You don't "win" if they pick your guy...the team only wins if he was the best player for the Knicks.

Well said and i agree 100% and no i won't be keeping track of Briggs' board 3/4 years down the line cause the truth is i really don't care about his draft board and just like having a little fun with our message board GM. lol

By the way New York my first post on any Knicks message board was in 2000 a little white board I think fishmike and a few others were posting there. I came on the board and after introducing myself I said we should take mike redd with our 35 pick. We took lavar

post ell and the same shet has happened many times. Other than David lee our drafting commitment understanding usage has Ben the worst in the nba. This should've been a super team already. But every person who has worked for the Knicks has been bad bottom line you've only been here 3 years me my first Knicks game wa s43 years ago. And the last 15 years has been an abomination my man lead by little Napoleon the idiot Dolan

Change go getPorzingis stay the same draft stein and some other raw player who's great at d

codeunknown wrote:

newyorker4ever wrote:

codeunknown wrote:

newyorker4ever wrote:

codeunknown wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

newyorker4ever wrote:There's actually a center that might be a free agent if he opts out that i think would fit the triangle perfectly but he has the dreaded injury problems and that's B.Lopez. I would have him in the top of my free agent list if it wasn't for his injury problems and i still wouldn't hate it if we got him.

Here's a good plan if porzingis is available take him and let him develop. If okafor falls to 4 take him if none of these guys are there see if we can trade down for Kaminski and additional picks. Don't like Stein limited player who loses focus.3 years in school biggest game of his career and he doesn't show up

When you have a 15 man roster, all bringing a separate skill - it's good, except you can't play all 5 at once. Thats why minutes are top heavy - players that affect the net value are paramount and niche players are more valuable in select combinations. The combo of Stein and Monroe lack adequate shooting and are unimpressive from a rebounding standpoint. Defensively, sets can be devised to exploit Monroe. This is a team easy to gameplan for and beat.

That's pretty amazing that you can already predict how WCS a kid who hasn't even stepped foot in a NBA game and a young Monroe would play together in a new system that neither has ever even played in and you don't even know what the rest of the team looks like yet.......AMAZING STUFF RIGHT THERE.

Why so amazed? Decisions and predictions are made based on the available data. Everything has a confidence interval. In your hypocrisy, you probably don't realize that 95% of what you and everyone posts is either a projection or subjective interpretation of some kind. Enjoy it.

Ummmmmmm yeah or you can just say that pretty much everything that's said by anyone on here is just us making assumptions.......just sayin.

No, not sure what you're saying.

BRIGGS wrote:Watching these finals where would u even play Stein? He'd be a bench warmer

This is not logical given that WCS has more offensive ability than Tristan who is playing. There are other players like Green isn't a great offensive player either. Bogut and Moz are only OK offensively. You wouldn't have to sit WCS against smaller quick lineups so that gives you a size advantage. You can still play fast but also have great size, help D on PnR, rebounding and rim protection. WCS is exactly what you'd need in a series like this.

Knixkik wrote:Monroe is NOT weak defensively. He is an average defender. I swear he gets worse defensively each day this board discusses him.

I'm a Monroe fan and even I have to admit he's a below average. He's just so good offensively, especially as a center, that I'd be willing to put up with it.