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fishmike
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4/22/2015  5:37 PM
TripleThreat wrote:
TripleThreat wrote:In just about every case, you refuse to acknowledge what the other person is saying without outright dismissal and condescension , then you will default defensively at that point with the classic "Prove to me why your opinion matters/show to me why I should listen to you" crap. Then as a last resort, you'll derail the topic when it gets too close to you actually having to get near anything called basic accountability.

nixluva wrote: I'm still waiting for TripleThreat to post his plan for improving the Knicks this summer. It's much easier to sit back and criticize other peoples plans.

Like I said, you are pretty transparent.

And like I said, I give you credit, that you can get some of these low speed high drag mouth breathers to actually turn their mob mentality in your favor is both a sign of your skill as a shill terrorist and their failure to see past your agenda.

Here's an idea. Go **** yourself

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codeunknown
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4/22/2015  6:04 PM
dk7th wrote:
codeunknown wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
jrodmc wrote:
codeunknown wrote:
dk7th wrote:
holfresh wrote:With less than 3 minutes left of garbage time(score110-95) he took 6 fts as the Mavs were trying to slow down the clock..So if you are hanging your hat on garbage time numbers to label someone an MVP then have at it...The game painted a completely different picture to me...

he shot 3-6 from 2, 1-5 from 3, was 15-17 from the line, dished out 11 assists, 2 TO and a steal

And a heavy dose of matador defense...You seem to only hold defensive standards to you know who...He ran away from a Rondo layup, gambled for a steal every time he was caught on Dirk in the post after switching...

let me level with you: i watched all four games and by the time this game came on i was watching with one eye. that said, there was no garbage time regardless of the point differential. your narrative is incorrect. the mavs didn't stop playing, holfresh. they fouled other rockets players.

harden's defensive rating was 109 while the mavs scored 108, which means he was not really a liability to his team defensively. brewer was worse.

Using defensive rating in the manner in which you have is absolute stupidity.

Number 1 - Defensive rating is a normalized per 100 possession statistic, and the Mavs had approximately 123 possessions, making your estimation of Harden's liability falsely optimistic. The team defensive rating was 101.4, ~ 8 better than Harden, although the relevance here is also questionable. The concentrated damage to Harden's defensive rating occurred between 7:45-4:12 in the second quarter with both Howard and Josh Smith (D rating - 99) off the floor. A combination of Harden's defensive inability, the relative ability of the others, and chance may all contribute.

Number 2 - Defensive rating should be used with caution in single game analysis and, with the exception of clear outliers, is best re-purposed for 5-man unit appraisal. The noise from a) opponent match-up usage, b) the wide distribution in defensive rating among Rocket teammates and c) the absurd size of your control (9 minutes when the bench played) make your conclusion drivel.

Number 3 - Individual defensive rating is best used over a large dataset with appropriate references taking into account starting/bench roles and player position. Inter-position comparisons are even more difficult with single games, where team specific defensive schemes may weight certain formula elements over others (ex. blocks over steals).

Number 4 - Any attempt at individual game applications requires significant non-overlap in minutes played of the major outliers - in this case Dwight Howard with a rating of 85, easily the best.

Now would be a good time for you to go back and practice your "math skills" before you embarrass yourself further.


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Gotta love the erudite, concise, numbered response. Holeeeeeeeeeee sheeeeeeeeeehit.


Why pile on? Despite being called stupid, DK simply said thank you and asked for additional feedback. You're normally above this.

You asked nicely earlier for him to stop insulting another poster. It didn't work. Sometimes a role reversal does wonders for perspective.

that's not what actually happened. if you continue to be gratuitously unkind it may hurt my feelings.

on the original note, what do you make of other measures of his defense for the regular season (an adequate sample size no doubt), such as DRPM which is 1.0 this season, and his defensive rating of 103 points per 100 possessions? these seem to reflect that he is not hurting his team on defense, no?

do you think you can educate me with a bit more civility this time? i am interested in learning.

1. That is what happened, and my lack of kindness wasn't "gratuitous."
2. The discussion was about Harden's defensive impact on the single playoff game for which you completely screwed up the interpretation of defensive rating. If you are asking me what my opinion is on Harfen's defensive performance over the past year, that is an entirely different conversation.
3. Your learning or inability to do so hinges on you first fixing your attitude.

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newyorknewyork
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4/22/2015  6:57 PM
Wasn't this thread suppose to be about Phil Jackson and dissecting his speeches, comments, tweets etc... How did it turn into analyzing Hardens defense lol.
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Bonn1997
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4/22/2015  7:17 PM
newyorknewyork wrote:Wasn't this thread suppose to be about Phil Jackson and dissecting his speeches, comments, tweets etc... How did it turn into analyzing Hardens defense lol.

Actually, the thread was about CLARITY!
nixluva
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4/22/2015  7:37 PM
Not direct quotes but a nice synopsis of Phil's comments.

The highlights:
— Jackson said it was crazy to think New York could win a title next year. It’s something some rabid fans probably hate to hear, but it’s the truth. The Knicks can get to the 30- to 40-win range if Carmelo Anthony returns healthy, they spend their money well, and they get a good player in the draft — but they probably won’t be much better than that.

— Jackson said he was also more than willing to build the Knicks so they get to their final destination (a championship) after he leaves the franchise. That means there won’t be any selling out in free agency to try to win with Melo right away. Jackson understands there are steady steps to get team from second-worst in the league to a title contender. He’s more than willing to set up the Knicks to be there seven years from now, even if he isn’t. That type of long-term plan, without relying on quick fixes, hasn’t been attempted since Patrick Ewing was drafted.

— Jackson referenced Ewing when speaking about the draft pick the Knicks have this year. He gets that the player they select, depending on where they pick, could be a generational talent — a centerpiece of the franchise for the next 15 years. He wants that type of player (like Ewing) to build around. He mentioned the need for a steady big, especially defensively, which points to Jahlil Okafor and Karl-Anthony Towns (more likely) as his targets.

— Jackson did mention potentially trading the pick if the right offer comes along, but he made it clear that he would not do it if the player he wants is on the board when the Knicks are on the clock. He indicated it was far more likely to move it if the Knicks pick fifth overall, which might indicate he thinks the draft is, in fact, only four players deep. There was also recognition that even if the Knicks got the top pick, that player would not be a star in year one and would have to develop. It points to patience.

— Patience is something Jackson also plans to exercise in free agency. He once again indicated the possibility of targeting several mid-market players rather than going all-in on a max-contract guy. He said the team won’t need nine or 10 players to fill out the roster, but instead more like three. I’m not sure I buy that one, but the Knicks would be wise to spread their money around to get several guys to surround Anthony and their pick.

— Jackson also seemed to understand what a unique market this free-agent class will face, especially considering how much the cap is expected to jump in the summers of 2016 and ’17. Players could want short-term deals to cash in the following two seasons, or teams might be more willing to throw crazy cash around because of the exploding cap. Jackson also said that all it takes is for one team to value a player to set the market. That means the Knicks might target a couple guys they want and try to strike early before someone else does.

— But Jackson was also careful to note that guys are overpaid in free agency. It is the nature of the business. He definitely doesn’t sound like someone who will rush into a big contract just for the sake of making a splash (Amar’e Stoudemire). That’s how you avoid big mistakes (Stoudemire, again).

— The Knicks president also spoke about the type of players the franchise needs to succeed. He bemoaned the team’s lack of free-throw attempts this season, and knows he needs to find someone who can penetrate and get to the line. Jackson recognized that Carmelo Anthony is a tweener (SF/PF) and that will be taken into consideration when putting players around him. No one asked directly at which position Jackson thinks Melo is a better player.

— The other goal Jackson talked about was getting the team better defensively. He cited the Hawks and Warriors as two teams that turned the corner because of their improved defense. He knows he needs players to play that end of the floor, whether it is the anchor in the middle to protect the rim or guards willing to run around and expend their energy at the perimeter. It’s his goal to begin to find them this summer.

— It’s pretty clear to me from the tenor of Jackson’s comments that he still has full autonomy. I could imagine Jim Dolan getting more and more infuriated with Jackson telling his paying customers that next year won’t be awesome, and there are still hard times ahead. But it’s the truth. And everyone, Dolan included, needed to hear it. Jackson needs time to build.

Now the Knicks need some luck in the draft lottery on May 19, and again in July when free agency opens. Maybe the Bulls get frugal and don’t want to pay Jimmy Butler the max. Crazier things have happened.

Jackson has made it clear: the work starts now. This is what he will be judged on.
He’s right, and the fate of the franchise depends on it.

Taken as a whole i'd say Phil has a solid handle on what this team needs to do in order to revamp the roster and change direction towards winning. This isn't about an instant title team. It's about building with sustainability in mind. That's what the change of culture is all about. Doing things that will lead to a solid franchise that can have a long run of good basketball and eventually title contention.

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