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gunsnewing wrote:None of this explains why We rushed to trade Tyson. Unless Phil is really that stupid. I don't think he is I think it's a lot more plausible that he did it to please dolan and Melo and get Melo signed.

Totally disagree with the pleasing melo statement. I think he saw a guy that was paid a ton to be a leader with a championship pedigree that gave up on his team and tried to sabotage his coach. I think Phil was telling the truth when he said he wanted guys with character. Look at the guys that have been moved out. None of them other than Pablo can be characterized as high character guys.

you have it upside down and backwards again.

melo is a low character guy which is why dolan can tolerate him, in fact more than tolerate. dolan cannot tolerate superior men to himself and he finds a way of alienating them or sending them away. walsh comes to mind, and he didn't get more than a couple of million to do the job he did. but of course we must remember that stern virtually mandated that dolan hire walsh. it's because dolan is a malignant narcissist who likes to break stuff but has enough money to try and cover up his mess.

jackson's legacy will be tarnished for a tidy 60 million dollar sum before this escapade is over.

Could you expand upon this??...Site examples??..I say this because I know you are down on Melo for not lying to the Nuggets..You applauded LeBron deceitful exit from Cleveland..Please explain..

for the record i have said many times that lebron colluded with wade-- another guy whose character i have issues with-- and bosh. what he did was shytti and unethical, especially when you think about what it meant to the knicks and other suitors.

but you know what else he did? he honored his ****ing contract! now i ask you-- did melo, for all his "honesty," did melo honor his contract?

deceit in order to win on the one hand and on the other hand greed at the expense of winning.

This should be a good one..How did Melo not honor his contract??..By telling them he won't resign after his contract it up??

he forced his way here. he himself admitted it 2.5 years later. there were several quotes from the aftermath of that period of how difficult it was for denver as a team... so basically he screwed the team he was playing for AS he was playing for them. so yeah-- melo did not honor his contract in both directions.

I don't follow, how is that not honoring your contract??.Is there a clause in the contract that says you have to resign with the team that you are traded to??..Or he is not allow to choose his destination?..They could have done what Minny did with Love..

i didn't say he breached his contract but he did not honor the contract. it's the difference between the letter of the law and the spirit of the law. he became a distraction to the team that was paying him to perform his duties.

splat in the above post says melo was stupid. i also say stupid and add selfish and greedy.

he could have kept his mouth shut and become a free agent after that season, no matter where he mat have been traded by the nuggets before the end of that season. if the nuggets could not bear that stance that is on them. as it is he facilitated the exit by forcing his way to the knicks instead of doing the ethical thing which was to honor his contract until the nuggets themselves had to make a hard decision.

why help the team you are with instead of the team you want to end up going to, by trade or free agency?

anyway, you win hofresh. melo is a knick and will remain a knick for the forseeable future. i know that makes you happy, not only that he is being paid 25 million per season but that he is in the orange and blue. start up the marching band:

But you are asking him to do something that you would not do..Would you risk losing 25 mil if you can help it dk7??..Just like you can't blame Lin for taking the money in Houston...Free Agents resign with the own teams because of the extra year means extra money..Doesn't make them low character people..

you understand the concept of orders of magnitude, powers of ten, exponents? at what point do you stop "feeling" the money? at 1 million? certainly not. how about 10 million. that's actually still an amount most of us could "feel."

but this guy is going to make over 150 million before he retires and he won't even be 40 years old.

so to answer your question, i would risk making less money. i'd rather have the best opportunity to win a title in new york, to have the chance to have my name mentioned in the same breath as walt frazier, derek jeter, eli manning, mark messier, joe dimaggio.

that'd be something i could "feel" every day the rest of my days.

Money first, title second, you and I both know there isn't too many athletes (if any at all) that will sacrifice money for a title smack dead in the prime of their careers. That doesn't start happening until the tail end of their prime, It's just too risky, injuries happen. Look what happen to steph curry, he had to take a low ball extension because his ankle injury force him to miss 40+ games over 2 seasons.

So when you say you would have taken less money, you would be on of the FEW. Patrick and Houston didn't take less money, why are they different from melo

The irony in all this is that dk7 owns a business..

i pay my people a fair salary and i make it my business to create a healthy work culture. i hire people with the understanding that i have permission to mold them, and i screen them carefully. if they are not moldable or do not agree to be molded then i do not hire them. this is no different from coaching in my opinion, and in fact the team sport/military model works for me.

could any of the make more money elsewhere? maybe, but then they run the risk of lowering their quality of life. when there is strong leadership at the ownership level, and to a lesser extent the management level, a thriving situation can occur.

you see these principles manifested when comparing the spurs with the knicks.

nothing ironic about this.

U hire people with the permission to mold them???..What are u running a cult??

this would assume i am doing something furtive and sinister, kind of like the way dolan does his thing.

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:

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holfresh wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:None of this explains why We rushed to trade Tyson. Unless Phil is really that stupid. I don't think he is I think it's a lot more plausible that he did it to please dolan and Melo and get Melo signed.

Totally disagree with the pleasing melo statement. I think he saw a guy that was paid a ton to be a leader with a championship pedigree that gave up on his team and tried to sabotage his coach. I think Phil was telling the truth when he said he wanted guys with character. Look at the guys that have been moved out. None of them other than Pablo can be characterized as high character guys.

you have it upside down and backwards again.

melo is a low character guy which is why dolan can tolerate him, in fact more than tolerate. dolan cannot tolerate superior men to himself and he finds a way of alienating them or sending them away. walsh comes to mind, and he didn't get more than a couple of million to do the job he did. but of course we must remember that stern virtually mandated that dolan hire walsh. it's because dolan is a malignant narcissist who likes to break stuff but has enough money to try and cover up his mess.

jackson's legacy will be tarnished for a tidy 60 million dollar sum before this escapade is over.

Could you expand upon this??...Site examples??..I say this because I know you are down on Melo for not lying to the Nuggets..You applauded LeBron deceitful exit from Cleveland..Please explain..

for the record i have said many times that lebron colluded with wade-- another guy whose character i have issues with-- and bosh. what he did was shytti and unethical, especially when you think about what it meant to the knicks and other suitors.

but you know what else he did? he honored his ****ing contract! now i ask you-- did melo, for all his "honesty," did melo honor his contract?

deceit in order to win on the one hand and on the other hand greed at the expense of winning.

This should be a good one..How did Melo not honor his contract??..By telling them he won't resign after his contract it up??

he forced his way here. he himself admitted it 2.5 years later. there were several quotes from the aftermath of that period of how difficult it was for denver as a team... so basically he screwed the team he was playing for AS he was playing for them. so yeah-- melo did not honor his contract in both directions.

I don't follow, how is that not honoring your contract??.Is there a clause in the contract that says you have to resign with the team that you are traded to??..Or he is not allow to choose his destination?..They could have done what Minny did with Love..

i didn't say he breached his contract but he did not honor the contract. it's the difference between the letter of the law and the spirit of the law. he became a distraction to the team that was paying him to perform his duties.

splat in the above post says melo was stupid. i also say stupid and add selfish and greedy.

he could have kept his mouth shut and become a free agent after that season, no matter where he mat have been traded by the nuggets before the end of that season. if the nuggets could not bear that stance that is on them. as it is he facilitated the exit by forcing his way to the knicks instead of doing the ethical thing which was to honor his contract until the nuggets themselves had to make a hard decision.

why help the team you are with instead of the team you want to end up going to, by trade or free agency?

anyway, you win hofresh. melo is a knick and will remain a knick for the forseeable future. i know that makes you happy, not only that he is being paid 25 million per season but that he is in the orange and blue. start up the marching band:

But you are asking him to do something that you would not do..Would you risk losing 25 mil if you can help it dk7??..Just like you can't blame Lin for taking the money in Houston...Free Agents resign with the own teams because of the extra year means extra money..Doesn't make them low character people..

you understand the concept of orders of magnitude, powers of ten, exponents? at what point do you stop "feeling" the money? at 1 million? certainly not. how about 10 million. that's actually still an amount most of us could "feel."

but this guy is going to make over 150 million before he retires and he won't even be 40 years old.

so to answer your question, i would risk making less money. i'd rather have the best opportunity to win a title in new york, to have the chance to have my name mentioned in the same breath as walt frazier, derek jeter, eli manning, mark messier, joe dimaggio.

that'd be something i could "feel" every day the rest of my days.

Money first, title second, you and I both know there isn't too many athletes (if any at all) that will sacrifice money for a title smack dead in the prime of their careers. That doesn't start happening until the tail end of their prime, It's just too risky, injuries happen. Look what happen to steph curry, he had to take a low ball extension because his ankle injury force him to miss 40+ games over 2 seasons.

So when you say you would have taken less money, you would be on of the FEW. Patrick and Houston didn't take less money, why are they different from melo

The irony in all this is that dk7 owns a business..

i pay my people a fair salary and i make it my business to create a healthy work culture. i hire people with the understanding that i have permission to mold them, and i screen them carefully. if they are not moldable or do not agree to be molded then i do not hire them. this is no different from coaching in my opinion, and in fact the team sport/military model works for me.

could any of the make more money elsewhere? maybe, but then they run the risk of lowering their quality of life. when there is strong leadership at the ownership level, and to a lesser extent the management level, a thriving situation can occur.

you see these principles manifested when comparing the spurs with the knicks.

nothing ironic about this.

U hire people with the permission to mold them???..What are u running a cult??

this would assume i am doing something furtive and sinister, kind of like the way dolan does his thing.

That's easy for you to say, but tell that to the last employee you molded. All of those jello and pudding jokes are sounding kind of sinister now in hindsight