gunsnewing wrote:

mreinman wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:Marvin Williams is nothing like Towns. You laughed at Sweetney-OK4 and come back with that?

I don't see the Marvin Williams comparison at all. Strange.

Yea he is a tweener. Neither SF or PF and played at UNC not kentucky under Cal

The comparison wasn't to his game - but to the fact that he was a promising talent in college who didn't exactly show he could be a highly productive player on the NBA level or even on the college level. He was drafted on potential.

I see what he was going for, even though I think Towns has already shown a lot more than Marvin Williams ever did. Williams never had the remote impact on defence on a game that Towns does. Marvin Williams reminded me of Tim Thomas coming out of college... and that's pretty much what his career wound up being.

Towns, I can see an easy comparison to Andre Drummond. If he develops his offense a little more, could be a lot better. I don't see an Anthony Davis ceiling, but maybe a Bogut or Sheed ceiling for Towns. Two way guys who effect all aspects of the game.

OK4... who knows. It doesn't seem like he's a game-changing defender. Could he be a taller Elton Brand? Don't forget, Brand was unstoppable for a few years as a Clipper and even now is sought after as a solid contributor. But because of his lack of defense, his teams were never really dominant (though you could say the same for Melo). I see OK4 being somewhat similar in that regard - gifted offensively, maybe at a Brand, Cousins level. But lax and slow-footed on D, like Brook Lopez. I have a sinking feeling OK4 will have a ton of nights where he gets 35pts and 8rebs and his team gives up 110pts and loses.

I think at some point you have to think of building a roster. IF you consider OK4 a franchise cornerstone, a franchise player, you draft him and wait out Melo's contract. But I think it's more likely the Knicks will try to build a team to complement Melo's talents, which is why Towns makes a lot of sense. But he's gonna take a while. Andre Drummond is a very similar type of player - averaged 10ppg and 7.5rpg at UConn in one season. Came into Detroit and averaged 7.8ppg and 7.8rpg in year one in 20 minutes. Will the Knicks have the patience for Towns to develop over a few years? Drummond was 13ppg and 13rpg in year 2 and is there at 13ppg and 13rpg in year 3... but anyone who has seen him play knows he has a ways to go. Are the Knicks willing to be patient with Towns and wait til Year 3 when Melo is 33/34yrs old? I highly doubt it.

That said, I prefer Russell - just based on a gut feeling that he will be very good. If you look at how many rookies of the year are guards, Knicks may think they can get an earlier return on a guard as well. And free agency is stocked with very capable veteran big men from Robin Lopez to Greg Monroe to Roy Hibbert and the superstars M Gasol and LMA. And that Kevin Love guy (who I would hate hate hate as a Knick, but whatever)

I still think end of the day, the Knicks may trade the pick for Love though. I've had that gitchy feeling since it first seemed like Love was unhappy in Cleveland. It's gonna be between LA and NYK - and we know that Phil has a rivalry going with Jeannie. The only time we've heard him say he wants to win a game all season was last week in LA.

gunsnewing wrote:Eh when did Calipari produce a big man bust like Marvin?

Earl Barron?

JK, I have a good feeling about Towns, which is why I've said I want him over OK4. I just think he may take a few years. Years the Knicks may not want to wait.

I have the best feeling about Russell. I think that kid has star written all over him. He understands the game. Carries his team the way Steph Curry carried his team in college.

gunsnewing wrote:Earl was a top pick?

Look, if you read my posts I've been saying I prefer Towns to OK4. I'm not sure what you're so upset about.

OK4 has tremendous footwork, hands, IQ and is extremely comfortable working in the paint. His best skill, scoring the ball in the paint and forcing other teams to game plan for him, is better than Towns best skill which, I guess is his defense. This is team ball, can't expect to solve all of our problems with one player. Take Ok4 and spend some FA money to get a defender next to him. I think it would be a mistake passing up on OK4 if we get the #1 pick....

Uptown wrote:Couldn't agree with Fish, more. Russell is my fav player in this draft as well, but Ok4 is the surest bet in this draft. You can put a blue and orange jersey on Ok4 tonight and he can drop 30, easily. I think the game opens up for him in the NBA and he will flourish on the offensive end. The biggest knock on his game is on the defensive end, but there are flaws in all of these prospects games. Key word, PROSPECT...meaning none are finished products...

OK4 has tremendous footwork, hands, IQ and is extremely comfortable working in the paint. His best skill, scoring the ball in the paint and forcing other teams to game plan for him, is better than Towns best skill which, I guess is his defense. This is team ball, can't expect to solve all of our problems with one player. Take Ok4 and spend some FA money to get a defender next to him. I think it would be a mistake passing up on OK4 if we get the #1 pick....

No my man all of Towns skills are his best skills. Not jus defense. He can do it all. Pass, create of the dribble, shoot 3's, post up, rebound over the opponent, block a ton of shots.

Ok4 can score in the paint no doubt

crzymdups wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:Eh when did Calipari produce a big man bust like Marvin?

Earl Barron?

JK, I have a good feeling about Towns, which is why I've said I want him over OK4. I just think he may take a few years. Years the Knicks may not want to wait.

I have the best feeling about Russell. I think that kid has star written all over him. He understands the game. Carries his team the way Steph Curry carried his team in college.

Phil said he would be patient with the 19yr old just last week

FistOfOakley wrote:he gets abused by ND regularly in the paint and isn't shown here... they are just not scared of him at all which is why they beat them 2 out of 3 times...

one thing you notice in this video is that he has a lot of room to operate since duke spreads the floor... how much success does he have on offense when there's another center on the court? that's probably the main reason why plumlee doesn't play with okafor since he'd face a much more packed paint... something towns sees all the time...

Another brilliant point

FistOfOakley wrote:he gets abused by ND regularly in the paint and isn't shown here... they are just not scared of him at all which is why they beat them 2 out of 3 times...

one thing you notice in this video is that he has a lot of room to operate since duke spreads the floor... how much success does he have on offense when there's another center on the court? that's probably the main reason why plumlee doesn't play with okafor since he'd face a much more packed paint... something towns sees all the time...