StarksEwing1 wrote:

TeamBall wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

TeamBall wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:Nothing against melo but this is why i was hoping to do a sign and trade this past summer. He could have gone to a contender if he took a little less and we could have done a true rebuild with more picks and assets

So over the summer you saw into the future and knew melo would need knee surgery? Even when his prior problem was his shoulder? Wow that's impressive.

um...i Think you misinterpreted bigtime. My point had nothing to do with injuries. Personally i just wanted To try a full rebuild considering we have little picks

If your point had nothing to do with injuries than why is Melo's injury the reason why you were hoping to do a sign and trade this past summer?

because i felt both sides needed a fresh start. Im actually a melo fan but it could have been good for him to go somewhere he didnt have to be the main guy. I value draft picks so i wanted to recoup our lost picks and try and go in a new direction

fishmike wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

TeamBall wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

TeamBall wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:Nothing against melo but this is why i was hoping to do a sign and trade this past summer. He could have gone to a contender if he took a little less and we could have done a true rebuild with more picks and assets

So over the summer you saw into the future and knew melo would need knee surgery? Even when his prior problem was his shoulder? Wow that's impressive.

um...i Think you misinterpreted bigtime. My point had nothing to do with injuries. Personally i just wanted To try a full rebuild considering we have little picks

If your point had nothing to do with injuries than why is Melo's injury the reason why you were hoping to do a sign and trade this past summer?

because i felt both sides needed a fresh start. Im actually a melo fan but it could have been good for him to go somewhere he didnt have to be the main guy. I value draft picks so i wanted to recoup our lost picks and try and go in a new direction

with fans like you who needs enemas

CrushAlot wrote:

"@IanBegley: FWIW, Dwyane Wade, who had the same surgery as Carmelo had Thursday, believes that Melo will be fine & return to performing at a high level"

Don't know why u would go to Wade for advice. He was pretty much done at 30

He knew when to pull the trigger but first and foremost he moved the ball and led 4 other guys most effectively since Magic and Clyde. And like those guys he led them to 2+ NBA championships

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

fishmike wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:And most important of all who is going to want to come here to play with Melo?

And most importantly who is going to want to come here to play with an INJURED Melo?

Nobody. We have already established today Billups is another guy who liked playing with Melo. I posted yesterday how Galloway has said Melo is great with the young guys. Now you can listen to what other NBA players say, or you can listen to what DK and Splat say. Your call.

We have people on this site saying Jordan thinks Melo doesnt help his brand and hates him and poof, we learned that is more fabricated false Melo hate.

Need to blame? Pick Melo. Need to hate? Pick Melo. Not enough reasons to really dislike the guy? Make some up and post them on UK.

Some like to call this defending the guy. Others realize the BS gets old.

yeah sure i am going to listen to billups because he's a champion and a finals mvp. but i am also going to acknowledge that billups is a leader and was able to run those denver teams, and was the one who was responsible for the nuggets' reaching the wcf that season, largely because he was able to impose his will on the inferior basketball player that melo is.

note that he also acknowledged the success of the knicks 54-win season was due to kidd-- not melo.

so yeah i am listening to what billups has to say, and that is what any sane person will understand from his words.

the knicks have SUCKED without leadership if only because melo is controlling the action in the leadership vacuum, being the black hole that he is.

galloway says melo is great with the young guys. WOW fricking WEE. you know what else is great? 10 wins.

I'm amazed you would cozy up so much to Billups, it's obviously why...Bro, u have no shame...Dude is a first rate chucker who took some of the worst shots I have seen in the NBA, there is a reason LB was riding him so hard....I remember when he first joined the Knicks and started playing hero ball...But hey, he is a leader...

"chucker"? he averaged 12 shots for most of his career. never mind his FG%-- look at his TS% and you will see that it is 58% for his career. that is proficient, not not merely efficient. you know how it gets that high? he got to the free throw line at an elite rate for most of his career for a point guard. the free throw line is a huge part of playoff success.

larry brown helped him to tighten up his game after he floundered for his first six seasons. no shame in that. main thing is brown got him to draw more fouls.

i have no clue what you're talking about with the "hero ball" statement. he was putting up great numbers as a new york knickerbocker.

The dude shoots 41.5% for his career from the field and 38.7% from the three...His nickname is Mr. Big Shot..Draw your own conclusions..

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

fishmike wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:And most important of all who is going to want to come here to play with Melo?

And most importantly who is going to want to come here to play with an INJURED Melo?

Nobody. We have already established today Billups is another guy who liked playing with Melo. I posted yesterday how Galloway has said Melo is great with the young guys. Now you can listen to what other NBA players say, or you can listen to what DK and Splat say. Your call.

We have people on this site saying Jordan thinks Melo doesnt help his brand and hates him and poof, we learned that is more fabricated false Melo hate.

Need to blame? Pick Melo. Need to hate? Pick Melo. Not enough reasons to really dislike the guy? Make some up and post them on UK.

Some like to call this defending the guy. Others realize the BS gets old.

yeah sure i am going to listen to billups because he's a champion and a finals mvp. but i am also going to acknowledge that billups is a leader and was able to run those denver teams, and was the one who was responsible for the nuggets' reaching the wcf that season, largely because he was able to impose his will on the inferior basketball player that melo is.

note that he also acknowledged the success of the knicks 54-win season was due to kidd-- not melo.

so yeah i am listening to what billups has to say, and that is what any sane person will understand from his words.

the knicks have SUCKED without leadership if only because melo is controlling the action in the leadership vacuum, being the black hole that he is.

galloway says melo is great with the young guys. WOW fricking WEE. you know what else is great? 10 wins.

I'm amazed you would cozy up so much to Billups, it's obviously why...Bro, u have no shame...Dude is a first rate chucker who took some of the worst shots I have seen in the NBA, there is a reason LB was riding him so hard....I remember when he first joined the Knicks and started playing hero ball...But hey, he is a leader...

"chucker"? he averaged 12 shots for most of his career. never mind his FG%-- look at his TS% and you will see that it is 58% for his career. that is proficient, not not merely efficient. you know how it gets that high? he got to the free throw line at an elite rate for most of his career for a point guard. the free throw line is a huge part of playoff success.

larry brown helped him to tighten up his game after he floundered for his first six seasons. no shame in that. main thing is brown got him to draw more fouls.

i have no clue what you're talking about with the "hero ball" statement. he was putting up great numbers as a new york knickerbocker.

The dude shoots 41.5% for his career from the field and 38.7% from the three...His nickname is Mr. Big Shot..Draw your own conclusions..

please stop the fred flintstone crazy talk. i just told you to not look at the fg% and focus on the TS%. and yet you come back with this kooky crap-- this isn't 1977.

38.7% from 3 is not bad, and honestly it's not great either... it's okay. but in combination with his free throw trips and 90% completion rate from the line the guy is a serious, positive-sum player.

again, billups is a two-time champion and a nba finals mvp, and was in the running for mvp the only year melo made it to the conference finals.

holfresh who has had the better career, melo or billups? this oughta be good.