Cartman718 wrote:NardDogNation wrote:Cartman718 wrote:anyone who thinks that the knicks didn't pretty much rape the mavs on this deal needs to check themselves. an aging center with lots of miles on his body and getting beat up all the time in the paint and no jump shot no free throw shooting skills and no passing out of the paint??? defensive rebounds are not worth that much!!!!!!!!! let's not forget that for 2 months he's pretty much out of commission during NY's winter.and really people complaining about jose calderon's deal at 7 mill per? anyone here think he's not at least twice as good as fatboy felon? better decision making, better shooting and is not interested in challenging big guys in the paint at his age only makes him a smarter player with better mileage. look at dwayne wade... he's becoming a fraction of his championship self before our very eyes due to his crash in the paint type of play in the earlier years. miami is not going to resign him at the same salary as lebron, book it.
ok jose does not play defense and neither does ray ray.
if this deal was simply fluson and fatboy for calderon, i'd have been happy of addition by subtraction. but on top that, we get larkin, ellington, 2 picks...
these are all assets to be used in upcoming moves.... stay tuned! all hail Phil Jackson!
Your optimism is completely unfounded. I love how everything we traded was awful but everything we gained was impeccable. Unless you're dealing with the Hornets or Cavs, that is never the case when dealing with another team. So clearly you are overestimating what we are getting and underestimating what we gave the Mavs.
clearly YOU are underestimating Phil Jackson. I am not overestimating what we got at all. I know very little about Ellington or Larkin. But like I said... Calderon by himself to me is a deal I'd make for Chandler and Felton. Chandler's contract was expiring next year, but how many teams would be interested in giving us even this much for him after he spends Mid December to Mid Feb drinking TheraFlu at home??
I am not hailing Calderon as Chris Paul.... he is still light years smarter and better orchestrator and shooter than Felton. He definitely FITS way better.
If you truly feel that what we traded away was not awful, back it up by reasons as opposed to simply bashing what I said. smh.
Quite honestly, I've stated my reasons on several occasions earlier in the trade. I only responded to yours because it seemed a little snobbish- as if the contrarians to your opinion are wrong simply because they disagree with your own opinion. Just to quickly rehash why I'm not a fan of this trade:
1.) Jose Calderon is 33 years old and owed $22 million over 3 years. It's ridiculous to me how you all want to characterize Tyson Chandler as ailing and declining but overlook that fact for Calderon. Dude is a bench player at this point in his career. Is he better than Raymond Felton? Yes but so is every ****ing PG in the league, so there is little consolation in that fact for me.
2.) Omer Asik got the Rockets a 1st round pick from a lottery team. Is this really the best we could do for a recent Defensive Player of the Year that is still better than Asik in most respects of the game? People are doing backflips for Shane Larkin but the dude was the 18th pick in one of the worst drafts in professional sporting history. That means that 17 teams thought that there were 17 flavors of **** that were better than him. And considering the washout rate for 5"11' guards in the league, I find it difficult to take solace in that or some 2nd round picks (albeit in a draft I'm actually excited about).
3.) Why are we assuming long-term money? Wasn't it sacrilege just a week ago to do that? And for what? A 33 year old PG that has been a fringe starter for his career?
