NardDogNation wrote:

fitzfarm wrote:The more I think about it especially a sign and trade to bring back Lin, and draft picks. I really don't mind melo walking. I think thjr has super star written all over him. I'd love to see us move jr for a sf as well like Michael Kidd-Gilchrist who has a team option next year. And I think the hornets bit cause jr gives them a good second scorer which they were missing last year...a line up of Lin,thjr,m kg,amare,brags?... Don't want Tyson what so ever... 2015 could look like this... Lin,thjr,kawhi Leonard,Love,Marc gasol...sign amare for vet min,shump off the bench,or switch Lin with dragic... That team could go far even champ.. Also picks from melo s&t and Tyson trade.

What do you define as a superstar? Because by any conventional definition, THJr doesn't even come close. Beyond that, why would KG forego $12 million to join a lottery team? Why would Minnesota be dumb enough to let Kevin Love walk for nothing? And if we can't get him, why would Marc Gasol join a lottery team? How did Kawhi Leonard magically get onto our team and why would he leave a better team/organization for us? He's going to get paid either way, so why not pick the option with the bigger annual raises? None of what you've said makes sense.

Kg? Mkg (Michael Kidd-Gilchrist)who is on the hornets who has a team option after next season who we could prob get for jr smith. After next year Kevin love is a Ufa,as well as Marc gasol Ufa, kawhi Leonard has a player option of 4 mil after next season which he will surly opt out of for more money. Why would Leonard stay for 4 mil when he can get more then 8 per on the open market. None of what you replied to makes sense. Do your research. All the player I spoke of can be had in 2015 pending contract extensions.

as far as thjr goes sky is the limit for a kid that can score from anywhere on the floor weather it's creating his own, driving, or hitting the open spot up j also our best transition scorer. I expect his defense to be better next year . Thjr drastically improved by the end of this past season averaged one steal a game last month of the season and overall better defense as well..

tkf wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

tkf wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

knickscity wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:If Melo does leave, I would hope we could do a sign and trade for Noah and picks. Noah would give this team a much needed spine. Noah isn't a superstar but I do believe he would help draw elite players to NY.

They wont be giving up Noah, just can end that dream now.

Stranger things have happened. I would be damned impressed if Phil could pull it off.

really? I think you can count that out. I will argue that noah is a better basketball player than carmelo. The bulls would be nuts to do such a thing...

I would argue that you have an all consuming fetish.

yes I do, I am consumed with good basketball players. I am consumed with watching great ball, I am consumed with getting trash off my team, losers.. yes I have a fetish for greatness.... I have a fetish for players who play hard, with integrity. I have a fetish with wanting them on my team instead of selfish bums.. YES, I have an all consuming fetish for greatness!!!

Lol, you get an A for effort. Some day we will talk about another player, any player, a coach, the scorekeeper, not your fetish.

fitzfarm wrote:Just a fyi as far as points scored per thjr had better stats then Paul George his rookie year of 7.8 and will prob crush his stats on sophomore year Paul George averaged 12 per. And now what would you call Paul George a star on the rise? But a more comparable rookie season player is demar derozan he only averaged 8.6 and Timmy is a high flyer like derozan with a better shot. And what would you call derozan... When espn re did the draft mid way through the season. Thjr was going #2 to #5 in the re do draft. And with more playing time next year, esp with melo gone I'm guessing he gets around 30 plus around 17 per one steal 2 to 3 rebounds a game at 23 years of age. 24 2015 I'm thinking 22 per dominate offensive player for the team with other top tier players on the team. I feel we have to move jr to give this kid more minutes.

Hardaway might become as good an offensive player as PG but you're ignoring defense which is where PG's real value lies and where Hardaway can't do anything. And Demar Derozan isn't a good basketball player so I don't know why you brought him up.

If you're expecting TH to become the next Paul George, or Ray Allen which is the other comparison I've read, you're going to be severely disappointed. Just like Shumpert was never going to be mini-Jordan, Hardaway's not going to be George or Allen.

VCoug wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

fitzfarm wrote:The more I think about it especially a sign and trade to bring back Lin, and draft picks. I really don't mind melo walking. I think thjr has super star written all over him. I'd love to see us move jr for a sf as well like Michael Kidd-Gilchrist who has a team option next year. And I think the hornets bit cause jr gives them a good second scorer which they were missing last year...a line up of Lin,thjr,m kg,amare,brags?... Don't want Tyson what so ever... 2015 could look like this... Lin,thjr,kawhi Leonard,Love,Marc gasol...sign amare for vet min,shump off the bench,or switch Lin with dragic... That team could go far even champ.. Also picks from melo s&t and Tyson trade.

I really don't want to trade with Houston. I want Morey to have to eat Lin and Asic's poison pill deals. Taking the poison pill for a Houston is a typical Knick move but hopefully new management stops making stupid moves. Chicago would be where I would send Melo if he has to go.

It depends on what else Houston's willing to give. Houston's talking about using Donatas Motiejunas as a carrot for some other team to take Lin's contract off their hands. I wouldn't have a problem spending Dolan's money if he's part of the deal (plus, we should be able to flip Asik somewhere else for more assets). Of course, I still think that we can get a better deal from Chicago if they're interested but Motiejunas, their 2014 1st (or a future 1st), our own 2nd back, Asik, and Lin isn't terrible return.

dk7th wrote:

tkf wrote:

H1AND1 wrote:

tkf wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

knickscity wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:If Melo does leave, I would hope we could do a sign and trade for Noah and picks. Noah would give this team a much needed spine. Noah isn't a superstar but I do believe he would help draw elite players to NY.

They wont be giving up Noah, just can end that dream now.

Stranger things have happened. I would be damned impressed if Phil could pull it off.

really? I think you can count that out. I will argue that noah is a better basketball player than carmelo. The bulls would be nuts to do such a thing...

A perennial DPOY candidate center who racks up triple doubles as an assist machine(aka if one were to create the perfect 5 for today's style of small ball basketball, wouldn't Noah be what comes out of the lab)?

Yeah, not only is he better than Melo by several country miles but id also argue the Bulls wouldn't trade him for anyone who isn't named Lebron, Davis, or Durant. Noah is a helluva player.

I can also agree with that. Noah has impressed me over the years, at first I wasn't high on the kid, always respected his motor tho.. but his game has truly transformed and he leads by example. He is a unique player and one as you said you don't trade unless you are getting back a lebron or Durant...

he's a top 5 player in my opinion.

hard to argue with that at this point.. he is making a case for it for sure..

fitzfarm wrote:

VCoug wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

fitzfarm wrote:The more I think about it especially a sign and trade to bring back Lin, and draft picks. I really don't mind melo walking. I think thjr has super star written all over him. I'd love to see us move jr for a sf as well like Michael Kidd-Gilchrist who has a team option next year. And I think the hornets bit cause jr gives them a good second scorer which they were missing last year...a line up of Lin,thjr,m kg,amare,brags?... Don't want Tyson what so ever... 2015 could look like this... Lin,thjr,kawhi Leonard,Love,Marc gasol...sign amare for vet min,shump off the bench,or switch Lin with dragic... That team could go far even champ.. Also picks from melo s&t and Tyson trade.

I really don't want to trade with Houston. I want Morey to have to eat Lin and Asic's poison pill deals. Taking the poison pill for a Houston is a typical Knick move but hopefully new management stops making stupid moves. Chicago would be where I would send Melo if he has to go.

It depends on what else Houston's willing to give. Houston's talking about using Donatas Motiejunas as a carrot for some other team to take Lin's contract off their hands. I wouldn't have a problem spending Dolan's money if he's part of the deal (plus, we should be able to flip Asik somewhere else for more assets). Of course, I still think that we can get a better deal from Chicago if they're interested but Motiejunas, their 2014 1st (or a future 1st), our own 2nd backs, Asik, and Lin isn't terrible return.

even though Lin has the poison pill next year. he's a Ufa in 2015 so why do we care if we pay him 8 mil for a rebuild year or melo 23 mil... Lin would fill the seats in the garden in a rebuild year.

fitzfarm wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

fitzfarm wrote:

VCoug wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

fitzfarm wrote:The more I think about it especially a sign and trade to bring back Lin, and draft picks. I really don't mind melo walking. I think thjr has super star written all over him. I'd love to see us move jr for a sf as well like Michael Kidd-Gilchrist who has a team option next year. And I think the hornets bit cause jr gives them a good second scorer which they were missing last year...a line up of Lin,thjr,m kg,amare,brags?... Don't want Tyson what so ever... 2015 could look like this... Lin,thjr,kawhi Leonard,Love,Marc gasol...sign amare for vet min,shump off the bench,or switch Lin with dragic... That team could go far even champ.. Also picks from melo s&t and Tyson trade.

I really don't want to trade with Houston. I want Morey to have to eat Lin and Asic's poison pill deals. Taking the poison pill for a Houston is a typical Knick move but hopefully new management stops making stupid moves. Chicago would be where I would send Melo if he has to go.

It depends on what else Houston's willing to give. Houston's talking about using Donatas Motiejunas as a carrot for some other team to take Lin's contract off their hands. I wouldn't have a problem spending Dolan's money if he's part of the deal (plus, we should be able to flip Asik somewhere else for more assets). Of course, I still think that we can get a better deal from Chicago if they're interested but Motiejunas, their 2014 1st (or a future 1st), our own 2nd backs, Asik, and Lin isn't terrible return.

even though Lin has the poison pill next year. he's a Ufa in 2015 so why do we care if we pay him 8 mil for a rebuild year or melo 23 mil... Lin would fill the seats in the garden in a rebuild year.

8 mil on the cap, 15 mil total for a guy Houston is desperate to move for cap space. MSG sells out no matter what. I think the Knicks need to stay away from Houston. Also, I don't think other gms are fond of morey. I think if the Knicks don't take Lin morey is stuck with him. He might be able to move asik.

? Why 15 mil wouldn't it be just 8 ? I don't know?

CrushAlot wrote:

fitzfarm wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

fitzfarm wrote:

VCoug wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

fitzfarm wrote:The more I think about it especially a sign and trade to bring back Lin, and draft picks. I really don't mind melo walking. I think thjr has super star written all over him. I'd love to see us move jr for a sf as well like Michael Kidd-Gilchrist who has a team option next year. And I think the hornets bit cause jr gives them a good second scorer which they were missing last year...a line up of Lin,thjr,m kg,amare,brags?... Don't want Tyson what so ever... 2015 could look like this... Lin,thjr,kawhi Leonard,Love,Marc gasol...sign amare for vet min,shump off the bench,or switch Lin with dragic... That team could go far even champ.. Also picks from melo s&t and Tyson trade.

I really don't want to trade with Houston. I want Morey to have to eat Lin and Asic's poison pill deals. Taking the poison pill for a Houston is a typical Knick move but hopefully new management stops making stupid moves. Chicago would be where I would send Melo if he has to go.

It depends on what else Houston's willing to give. Houston's talking about using Donatas Motiejunas as a carrot for some other team to take Lin's contract off their hands. I wouldn't have a problem spending Dolan's money if he's part of the deal (plus, we should be able to flip Asik somewhere else for more assets). Of course, I still think that we can get a better deal from Chicago if they're interested but Motiejunas, their 2014 1st (or a future 1st), our own 2nd backs, Asik, and Lin isn't terrible return.

even though Lin has the poison pill next year. he's a Ufa in 2015 so why do we care if we pay him 8 mil for a rebuild year or melo 23 mil... Lin would fill the seats in the garden in a rebuild year.

8 mil on the cap, 15 mil total for a guy Houston is desperate to move for cap space. MSG sells out no matter what. I think the Knicks need to stay away from Houston. Also, I don't think other gms are fond of morey. I think if the Knicks don't take Lin morey is stuck with him. He might be able to move asik.

? Why 15 mil wouldn't it be just 8 ? I don't know?

He is owed 15 but it counts as 8 mil on the cap. It is a loophole for teams below the cap. Lin counted on the rockets cap for the average, 8 mil, because they were under the cap. Year 3 is the 15 mil year for both asik and Lin.

CrushAlot wrote:

VCoug wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

fitzfarm wrote:The more I think about it especially a sign and trade to bring back Lin, and draft picks. I really don't mind melo walking. I think thjr has super star written all over him. I'd love to see us move jr for a sf as well like Michael Kidd-Gilchrist who has a team option next year. And I think the hornets bit cause jr gives them a good second scorer which they were missing last year...a line up of Lin,thjr,m kg,amare,brags?... Don't want Tyson what so ever... 2015 could look like this... Lin,thjr,kawhi Leonard,Love,Marc gasol...sign amare for vet min,shump off the bench,or switch Lin with dragic... That team could go far even champ.. Also picks from melo s&t and Tyson trade.

I really don't want to trade with Houston. I want Morey to have to eat Lin and Asic's poison pill deals. Taking the poison pill for a Houston is a typical Knick move but hopefully new management stops making stupid moves. Chicago would be where I would send Melo if he has to go.

It depends on what else Houston's willing to give. Houston's talking about using Donatas Motiejunas as a carrot for some other team to take Lin's contract off their hands. I wouldn't have a problem spending Dolan's money if he's part of the deal (plus, we should be able to flip Asik somewhere else for more assets). Of course, I still think that we can get a better deal from Chicago if they're interested but Motiejunas, their 2014 1st (or a future 1st), our own 2nd back, Asik, and Lin isn't terrible return.

I think if you take morey's poison pill deals he needs to give a lot back. My preference is for him to be stuck with those two contracts.

We shouldn't be worried about what how much other teams' are paying their players. The only thing we should be looking into is what puts us in the best position to compete for a championship. Trying to "punish" other teams for what the deals they made with us is counterproductive to the only thing that matters.

GustavBahler wrote:

tkf wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

tkf wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

knickscity wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:If Melo does leave, I would hope we could do a sign and trade for Noah and picks. Noah would give this team a much needed spine. Noah isn't a superstar but I do believe he would help draw elite players to NY.

They wont be giving up Noah, just can end that dream now.

Stranger things have happened. I would be damned impressed if Phil could pull it off.

really? I think you can count that out. I will argue that noah is a better basketball player than carmelo. The bulls would be nuts to do such a thing...

I would argue that you have an all consuming fetish.

yes I do, I am consumed with good basketball players. I am consumed with watching great ball, I am consumed with getting trash off my team, losers.. yes I have a fetish for greatness.... I have a fetish for players who play hard, with integrity. I have a fetish with wanting them on my team instead of selfish bums.. YES, I have an all consuming fetish for greatness!!!

Lol, you get an A for effort. Some day we will talk about another player, any player, a coach, the scorekeeper, not your fetish.

I have a fetish for spotting unrealistic post.. like getting noah for carmelo....I would love to talk about something else, but post like these keep rearing it's ugly head.. go figure..