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5/10/2014  6:32 PM
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gunsnewing wrote:Those guys numbers elevate in the 4th. Melos goes down

He needs to be more efficient in the 4th. A lot of it was Woodson but Melo takes blame too

He was logging the most minutes in the NBA..He was worn down by the 4th quarter..I think they show a stat of his 4 quarter shooting percentage this season was much lower than in any other season yet his overall shooting was roughly the same...


Not true, Durant led the league in minutes played and actually played every game except one which Melo missed five.

Both players averaged 38 minutes per game.

Durant also posted a near 30 in PER which led the league as the most efficient player, so this "ton of minutes" excuse doesnt fly.

Melo's efficiency dropped due to the way he plays not from being on the court too much.

Cant even use the team mate excuse either...Durant's best team mate missed nearly half the season, and thats combined with having a center who averages 3 points a game and shooting guard averaging 6 in the starting lineup.

Melo and Jimmy Butler led the league at 38.7 mins per game ...Durant came in at 38.5 mins per..So Durant who is a better player than Melo played half the season without Westbrook??..So half the season, Durant had real help while Melo had JR??...So you point out two players Durant had to play with that can't score...Tell who who on our squad is better than Reggie Jackson, Ibaka and Westbrook for half the season??..Amare was playing 20 mins a night when he did play...

Whatever, Melo sucks...28 and 8 sucks..


Still an excuse, but who's talking minutes per game Durant was only .2 off that mark anyway....Durant led the league in minutes PLAYED and certainly would have played the 82nd game if the Thunder hadnt already locked up positioning.

No, 28 and 8 doesnt suck, but it certainly doesnt eclipse 32/7/5 on 50% shooting and a near 30 PER.

But it is safe to say all 28/8's arent the same....some help their teams win by doing more.

It's still 28 and 8, haven't been done since Shaq...It's something because no one else is doing it...


I dont think anyone has missed the playoffs while doing it either, but why focus on that when other are doing more?

Shaq was playing with Kobe..Give Melo a Kobe caliber player in his prime and let's see him miss the playoffs..Your argument judges the rest of the Knicks to be on par with the old Lakers and OKC..

couldnt' agree with you more holfresh. it's amazing to me the way people try and find new ways to **** on melo. 28&8 is 28&8 no matter how you cut it and like you said, melo did it playing with a group of average players, not another hall of famer like shaq did. another day, another new way to dismiss anything melo has done.

the team missed the playoffs. when you miss the playoffs the biggest name should take the most heat, stand up and be accountable for a failed season. he doesn't have the stones to do that. fortunately we will be seeing the franchise undergo a culture change.

knicks win 38-43 games in 16-17. rose MUST shoot no more than 14 shots per game, defer to kp6 + melo, and have a usage rate of less than 25%
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5/10/2014  6:34 PM
holfresh wrote:
nyk4ever wrote:
holfresh wrote:
knickscity wrote:
holfresh wrote:
knickscity wrote:
holfresh wrote:
knickscity wrote:
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gunsnewing wrote:Those guys numbers elevate in the 4th. Melos goes down

He needs to be more efficient in the 4th. A lot of it was Woodson but Melo takes blame too

He was logging the most minutes in the NBA..He was worn down by the 4th quarter..I think they show a stat of his 4 quarter shooting percentage this season was much lower than in any other season yet his overall shooting was roughly the same...


Not true, Durant led the league in minutes played and actually played every game except one which Melo missed five.

Both players averaged 38 minutes per game.

Durant also posted a near 30 in PER which led the league as the most efficient player, so this "ton of minutes" excuse doesnt fly.

Melo's efficiency dropped due to the way he plays not from being on the court too much.

Cant even use the team mate excuse either...Durant's best team mate missed nearly half the season, and thats combined with having a center who averages 3 points a game and shooting guard averaging 6 in the starting lineup.

Melo and Jimmy Butler led the league at 38.7 mins per game ...Durant came in at 38.5 mins per..So Durant who is a better player than Melo played half the season without Westbrook??..So half the season, Durant had real help while Melo had JR??...So you point out two players Durant had to play with that can't score...Tell who who on our squad is better than Reggie Jackson, Ibaka and Westbrook for half the season??..Amare was playing 20 mins a night when he did play...

Whatever, Melo sucks...28 and 8 sucks..


Still an excuse, but who's talking minutes per game Durant was only .2 off that mark anyway....Durant led the league in minutes PLAYED and certainly would have played the 82nd game if the Thunder hadnt already locked up positioning.

No, 28 and 8 doesnt suck, but it certainly doesnt eclipse 32/7/5 on 50% shooting and a near 30 PER.

But it is safe to say all 28/8's arent the same....some help their teams win by doing more.

It's still 28 and 8, haven't been done since Shaq...It's something because no one else is doing it...


I dont think anyone has missed the playoffs while doing it either, but why focus on that when other are doing more?

Shaq was playing with Kobe..Give Melo a Kobe caliber player in his prime and let's see him miss the playoffs..Your argument judges the rest of the Knicks to be on par with the old Lakers and OKC..

couldnt' agree with you more holfresh. it's amazing to me the way people try and find new ways to **** on melo. 28&8 is 28&8 no matter how you cut it and like you said, melo did it playing with a group of average players, not another hall of famer like shaq did. another day, another new way to dismiss anything melo has done.


We all know Melo has his warts...But u can't hang this season on him..It's just silly..

lord knows he won't take responsibility or hold himself accountable-- exactly what his fans should expect. very sad

knicks win 38-43 games in 16-17. rose MUST shoot no more than 14 shots per game, defer to kp6 + melo, and have a usage rate of less than 25%
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5/10/2014  7:01 PM
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holfresh wrote:Knickcity, you are nit picking...

Felton, gun toting, prob had the worst year in his career last year...Shump has his worst year as a Knick last year...Chandler,"DYOP", who complained last playoffs that no one gave him help with the offensive juggernaut Hibbert, had his worst year as a Knick last year...JR for 3/4 of the year had his worst year as a Knick last year...The issue of the Knicks not getting into the playoffs couldn't be their collective play..No it can't be that..It must be the guy calling for the ball at the elbow, the guy who is getting ready to go ISO, the guy who is giving you 27 and 8, yeah him, he must reason why we didn't make the playoffs!!!

I blame them all to be honest, but perhaps when the star player announces after a 54 win season he plans to test free agency perhaps his teammates went into IDGAF mode.

Interesting how all of them awful players suddenly woke up when Phil got signed.

Or was it inserting Amare and JR into the starting line up...

JR started over half the time he played...so nope.
Shumpert played better as well, the team also played much better offensively without Bargnani.
Even felton instantly put his troubles aside and played better.

JR and Amare started together for the first time on March 3rd..The Knicks went 6-1 after that BEFORE the Phil Jackson announcement was made on March 17th...Prior to the insertion of JR and Amare into the starting line up the Knicks had lost 6 in a row...They finished up 16-6 with Amare and JR starting but you want to credit Phil with wins a full two weeks before his announcement..

March 7th was when Phil was reportedly offered the job, and this was amidst the Knicks being on a seven game losing streak

http://nba.si.com/2014/03/07/phil-jackson-new-york-knicks/

As a matter of fact the Knicks lost the first game Stat and JR started anyway, so no, that didnt make a difference....they were due to win a few since they were playing the worst teams in the NBA minus Indy which was Phil's first official looked on game.

but dont take MY word for it......


Winning Streak and Phil Jackson Rumors Have Knicks Back in Playoff Hunt and Feeling Good Once Again
By Neil Bisman
| Monday, Mar 10, 2014 | Updated 11:06 AM EDT


http://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/sports/Winning-Streak-and-Phil-Jackson-Rumors-Have-Knicks-Back-in-Playoff-Hunt-and-Feeling-Good-Once-Again-249285521.html

Knicks won on Mar. 5th and Mar 7th..They were not in the midst of a losing streak...

This is a thread on Phil being official with the Knicks on the 12th of March at which point they were already on a 5 game win streak...

March 12th MSG3 @ 10:55pm: NBA TV REPORTING PHIL JACKSON TO NY IS OFFICIAL AND A DONE DEAL
http://www.ultimateknicks.com/forum/topic.asp?t=47093

Come on bro, let's stop the spin cycle..Knick fans don't need to bend the truth to get their points across..It doesn't help the team get better..It only caters to a certain agenda...

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5/10/2014  7:04 PM
dk7th wrote:
nyk4ever wrote:
holfresh wrote:
knickscity wrote:
holfresh wrote:
knickscity wrote:
holfresh wrote:
knickscity wrote:
holfresh wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:Those guys numbers elevate in the 4th. Melos goes down

He needs to be more efficient in the 4th. A lot of it was Woodson but Melo takes blame too

He was logging the most minutes in the NBA..He was worn down by the 4th quarter..I think they show a stat of his 4 quarter shooting percentage this season was much lower than in any other season yet his overall shooting was roughly the same...


Not true, Durant led the league in minutes played and actually played every game except one which Melo missed five.

Both players averaged 38 minutes per game.

Durant also posted a near 30 in PER which led the league as the most efficient player, so this "ton of minutes" excuse doesnt fly.

Melo's efficiency dropped due to the way he plays not from being on the court too much.

Cant even use the team mate excuse either...Durant's best team mate missed nearly half the season, and thats combined with having a center who averages 3 points a game and shooting guard averaging 6 in the starting lineup.

Melo and Jimmy Butler led the league at 38.7 mins per game ...Durant came in at 38.5 mins per..So Durant who is a better player than Melo played half the season without Westbrook??..So half the season, Durant had real help while Melo had JR??...So you point out two players Durant had to play with that can't score...Tell who who on our squad is better than Reggie Jackson, Ibaka and Westbrook for half the season??..Amare was playing 20 mins a night when he did play...

Whatever, Melo sucks...28 and 8 sucks..


Still an excuse, but who's talking minutes per game Durant was only .2 off that mark anyway....Durant led the league in minutes PLAYED and certainly would have played the 82nd game if the Thunder hadnt already locked up positioning.

No, 28 and 8 doesnt suck, but it certainly doesnt eclipse 32/7/5 on 50% shooting and a near 30 PER.

But it is safe to say all 28/8's arent the same....some help their teams win by doing more.

It's still 28 and 8, haven't been done since Shaq...It's something because no one else is doing it...


I dont think anyone has missed the playoffs while doing it either, but why focus on that when other are doing more?

Shaq was playing with Kobe..Give Melo a Kobe caliber player in his prime and let's see him miss the playoffs..Your argument judges the rest of the Knicks to be on par with the old Lakers and OKC..

couldnt' agree with you more holfresh. it's amazing to me the way people try and find new ways to **** on melo. 28&8 is 28&8 no matter how you cut it and like you said, melo did it playing with a group of average players, not another hall of famer like shaq did. another day, another new way to dismiss anything melo has done.

the team missed the playoffs. when you miss the playoffs the biggest name should take the most heat, stand up and be accountable for a failed season. he doesn't have the stones to do that. fortunately we will be seeing the franchise undergo a culture change.


By the same accord, when they win 54 games and gets the 2nd seed, they should get credit or u don't see it that way???...
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5/10/2014  7:52 PM
dk7th wrote:
nyk4ever wrote:
holfresh wrote:
knickscity wrote:
holfresh wrote:
knickscity wrote:
holfresh wrote:
knickscity wrote:
holfresh wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:Those guys numbers elevate in the 4th. Melos goes down

He needs to be more efficient in the 4th. A lot of it was Woodson but Melo takes blame too

He was logging the most minutes in the NBA..He was worn down by the 4th quarter..I think they show a stat of his 4 quarter shooting percentage this season was much lower than in any other season yet his overall shooting was roughly the same...


Not true, Durant led the league in minutes played and actually played every game except one which Melo missed five.

Both players averaged 38 minutes per game.

Durant also posted a near 30 in PER which led the league as the most efficient player, so this "ton of minutes" excuse doesnt fly.

Melo's efficiency dropped due to the way he plays not from being on the court too much.

Cant even use the team mate excuse either...Durant's best team mate missed nearly half the season, and thats combined with having a center who averages 3 points a game and shooting guard averaging 6 in the starting lineup.

Melo and Jimmy Butler led the league at 38.7 mins per game ...Durant came in at 38.5 mins per..So Durant who is a better player than Melo played half the season without Westbrook??..So half the season, Durant had real help while Melo had JR??...So you point out two players Durant had to play with that can't score...Tell who who on our squad is better than Reggie Jackson, Ibaka and Westbrook for half the season??..Amare was playing 20 mins a night when he did play...

Whatever, Melo sucks...28 and 8 sucks..


Still an excuse, but who's talking minutes per game Durant was only .2 off that mark anyway....Durant led the league in minutes PLAYED and certainly would have played the 82nd game if the Thunder hadnt already locked up positioning.

No, 28 and 8 doesnt suck, but it certainly doesnt eclipse 32/7/5 on 50% shooting and a near 30 PER.

But it is safe to say all 28/8's arent the same....some help their teams win by doing more.

It's still 28 and 8, haven't been done since Shaq...It's something because no one else is doing it...


I dont think anyone has missed the playoffs while doing it either, but why focus on that when other are doing more?

Shaq was playing with Kobe..Give Melo a Kobe caliber player in his prime and let's see him miss the playoffs..Your argument judges the rest of the Knicks to be on par with the old Lakers and OKC..

couldnt' agree with you more holfresh. it's amazing to me the way people try and find new ways to **** on melo. 28&8 is 28&8 no matter how you cut it and like you said, melo did it playing with a group of average players, not another hall of famer like shaq did. another day, another new way to dismiss anything melo has done.

the team missed the playoffs. when you miss the playoffs the biggest name should take the most heat, stand up and be accountable for a failed season. he doesn't have the stones to do that. fortunately we will be seeing the franchise undergo a culture change.


And when they make the playoffs? A lot of credit was taken from Melo and given to Kidd, Lin, etc. and whether or not I agree with it, your point should go both ways.
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5/10/2014  8:19 PM
holfresh wrote:
dk7th wrote:
nyk4ever wrote:
holfresh wrote:
knickscity wrote:
holfresh wrote:
knickscity wrote:
holfresh wrote:
knickscity wrote:
holfresh wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:Those guys numbers elevate in the 4th. Melos goes down

He needs to be more efficient in the 4th. A lot of it was Woodson but Melo takes blame too

He was logging the most minutes in the NBA..He was worn down by the 4th quarter..I think they show a stat of his 4 quarter shooting percentage this season was much lower than in any other season yet his overall shooting was roughly the same...


Not true, Durant led the league in minutes played and actually played every game except one which Melo missed five.

Both players averaged 38 minutes per game.

Durant also posted a near 30 in PER which led the league as the most efficient player, so this "ton of minutes" excuse doesnt fly.

Melo's efficiency dropped due to the way he plays not from being on the court too much.

Cant even use the team mate excuse either...Durant's best team mate missed nearly half the season, and thats combined with having a center who averages 3 points a game and shooting guard averaging 6 in the starting lineup.

Melo and Jimmy Butler led the league at 38.7 mins per game ...Durant came in at 38.5 mins per..So Durant who is a better player than Melo played half the season without Westbrook??..So half the season, Durant had real help while Melo had JR??...So you point out two players Durant had to play with that can't score...Tell who who on our squad is better than Reggie Jackson, Ibaka and Westbrook for half the season??..Amare was playing 20 mins a night when he did play...

Whatever, Melo sucks...28 and 8 sucks..


Still an excuse, but who's talking minutes per game Durant was only .2 off that mark anyway....Durant led the league in minutes PLAYED and certainly would have played the 82nd game if the Thunder hadnt already locked up positioning.

No, 28 and 8 doesnt suck, but it certainly doesnt eclipse 32/7/5 on 50% shooting and a near 30 PER.

But it is safe to say all 28/8's arent the same....some help their teams win by doing more.

It's still 28 and 8, haven't been done since Shaq...It's something because no one else is doing it...


I dont think anyone has missed the playoffs while doing it either, but why focus on that when other are doing more?

Shaq was playing with Kobe..Give Melo a Kobe caliber player in his prime and let's see him miss the playoffs..Your argument judges the rest of the Knicks to be on par with the old Lakers and OKC..

couldnt' agree with you more holfresh. it's amazing to me the way people try and find new ways to **** on melo. 28&8 is 28&8 no matter how you cut it and like you said, melo did it playing with a group of average players, not another hall of famer like shaq did. another day, another new way to dismiss anything melo has done.

the team missed the playoffs. when you miss the playoffs the biggest name should take the most heat, stand up and be accountable for a failed season. he doesn't have the stones to do that. fortunately we will be seeing the franchise undergo a culture change.


By the same accord, when they win 54 games and gets the 2nd seed, they should get credit or u don't see it that way???...

depends on whether you saw a playoff team gelling with him as the integral reason why they were gelling. i didn't see that and the 54 wins did not carry over with any real momentum. i did not have a lot of optimism in those 54 wins. here and there i got very excited but in a general sense i was not confident. the celtics series was unsettling and when we lost home court to the pacers-- where melo was invisible-- i thought this was a telling and revealing moment for him.

knicks win 38-43 games in 16-17. rose MUST shoot no more than 14 shots per game, defer to kp6 + melo, and have a usage rate of less than 25%
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5/10/2014  8:25 PM
dk7th wrote:
holfresh wrote:
dk7th wrote:
nyk4ever wrote:
holfresh wrote:
knickscity wrote:
holfresh wrote:
knickscity wrote:
holfresh wrote:
knickscity wrote:
holfresh wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:Those guys numbers elevate in the 4th. Melos goes down

He needs to be more efficient in the 4th. A lot of it was Woodson but Melo takes blame too

He was logging the most minutes in the NBA..He was worn down by the 4th quarter..I think they show a stat of his 4 quarter shooting percentage this season was much lower than in any other season yet his overall shooting was roughly the same...


Not true, Durant led the league in minutes played and actually played every game except one which Melo missed five.

Both players averaged 38 minutes per game.

Durant also posted a near 30 in PER which led the league as the most efficient player, so this "ton of minutes" excuse doesnt fly.

Melo's efficiency dropped due to the way he plays not from being on the court too much.

Cant even use the team mate excuse either...Durant's best team mate missed nearly half the season, and thats combined with having a center who averages 3 points a game and shooting guard averaging 6 in the starting lineup.

Melo and Jimmy Butler led the league at 38.7 mins per game ...Durant came in at 38.5 mins per..So Durant who is a better player than Melo played half the season without Westbrook??..So half the season, Durant had real help while Melo had JR??...So you point out two players Durant had to play with that can't score...Tell who who on our squad is better than Reggie Jackson, Ibaka and Westbrook for half the season??..Amare was playing 20 mins a night when he did play...

Whatever, Melo sucks...28 and 8 sucks..


Still an excuse, but who's talking minutes per game Durant was only .2 off that mark anyway....Durant led the league in minutes PLAYED and certainly would have played the 82nd game if the Thunder hadnt already locked up positioning.

No, 28 and 8 doesnt suck, but it certainly doesnt eclipse 32/7/5 on 50% shooting and a near 30 PER.

But it is safe to say all 28/8's arent the same....some help their teams win by doing more.

It's still 28 and 8, haven't been done since Shaq...It's something because no one else is doing it...


I dont think anyone has missed the playoffs while doing it either, but why focus on that when other are doing more?

Shaq was playing with Kobe..Give Melo a Kobe caliber player in his prime and let's see him miss the playoffs..Your argument judges the rest of the Knicks to be on par with the old Lakers and OKC..

couldnt' agree with you more holfresh. it's amazing to me the way people try and find new ways to **** on melo. 28&8 is 28&8 no matter how you cut it and like you said, melo did it playing with a group of average players, not another hall of famer like shaq did. another day, another new way to dismiss anything melo has done.

the team missed the playoffs. when you miss the playoffs the biggest name should take the most heat, stand up and be accountable for a failed season. he doesn't have the stones to do that. fortunately we will be seeing the franchise undergo a culture change.


By the same accord, when they win 54 games and gets the 2nd seed, they should get credit or u don't see it that way???...

depends on whether you saw a playoff team gelling with him as the integral reason why they were gelling. i didn't see that and the 54 wins did not carry over with any real momentum. i did not have a lot of optimism in those 54 wins. here and there i got very excited but in a general sense i was not confident. the celtics series was unsettling and when we lost home court to the pacers-- where melo was invisible-- i thought this was a telling and revealing moment for him.


So when they miss the playoffs, he gets blamed no questions asked. But when they make it, theres suddenly other things you have to consider when deciding whether or not to give him credit? Tell me you see the problem with this.
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5/10/2014  8:36 PM
TeamBall wrote:
dk7th wrote:
holfresh wrote:
dk7th wrote:
nyk4ever wrote:
holfresh wrote:
knickscity wrote:
holfresh wrote:
knickscity wrote:
holfresh wrote:
knickscity wrote:
holfresh wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:Those guys numbers elevate in the 4th. Melos goes down

He needs to be more efficient in the 4th. A lot of it was Woodson but Melo takes blame too

He was logging the most minutes in the NBA..He was worn down by the 4th quarter..I think they show a stat of his 4 quarter shooting percentage this season was much lower than in any other season yet his overall shooting was roughly the same...


Not true, Durant led the league in minutes played and actually played every game except one which Melo missed five.

Both players averaged 38 minutes per game.

Durant also posted a near 30 in PER which led the league as the most efficient player, so this "ton of minutes" excuse doesnt fly.

Melo's efficiency dropped due to the way he plays not from being on the court too much.

Cant even use the team mate excuse either...Durant's best team mate missed nearly half the season, and thats combined with having a center who averages 3 points a game and shooting guard averaging 6 in the starting lineup.

Melo and Jimmy Butler led the league at 38.7 mins per game ...Durant came in at 38.5 mins per..So Durant who is a better player than Melo played half the season without Westbrook??..So half the season, Durant had real help while Melo had JR??...So you point out two players Durant had to play with that can't score...Tell who who on our squad is better than Reggie Jackson, Ibaka and Westbrook for half the season??..Amare was playing 20 mins a night when he did play...

Whatever, Melo sucks...28 and 8 sucks..


Still an excuse, but who's talking minutes per game Durant was only .2 off that mark anyway....Durant led the league in minutes PLAYED and certainly would have played the 82nd game if the Thunder hadnt already locked up positioning.

No, 28 and 8 doesnt suck, but it certainly doesnt eclipse 32/7/5 on 50% shooting and a near 30 PER.

But it is safe to say all 28/8's arent the same....some help their teams win by doing more.

It's still 28 and 8, haven't been done since Shaq...It's something because no one else is doing it...


I dont think anyone has missed the playoffs while doing it either, but why focus on that when other are doing more?

Shaq was playing with Kobe..Give Melo a Kobe caliber player in his prime and let's see him miss the playoffs..Your argument judges the rest of the Knicks to be on par with the old Lakers and OKC..

couldnt' agree with you more holfresh. it's amazing to me the way people try and find new ways to **** on melo. 28&8 is 28&8 no matter how you cut it and like you said, melo did it playing with a group of average players, not another hall of famer like shaq did. another day, another new way to dismiss anything melo has done.

the team missed the playoffs. when you miss the playoffs the biggest name should take the most heat, stand up and be accountable for a failed season. he doesn't have the stones to do that. fortunately we will be seeing the franchise undergo a culture change.


By the same accord, when they win 54 games and gets the 2nd seed, they should get credit or u don't see it that way???...

depends on whether you saw a playoff team gelling with him as the integral reason why they were gelling. i didn't see that and the 54 wins did not carry over with any real momentum. i did not have a lot of optimism in those 54 wins. here and there i got very excited but in a general sense i was not confident. the celtics series was unsettling and when we lost home court to the pacers-- where melo was invisible-- i thought this was a telling and revealing moment for him.


So when they miss the playoffs, he gets blamed no questions asked. But when they make it, theres suddenly other things you have to consider when deciding whether or not to give him credit? Tell me you see the problem with this.

no need to put words in my mouth-- i said he needs to take responsibility for failure, step up and say he is accountable, and yes "shoulder the blame." i have a problem with big names not doing that and to this day he has never come close to doing that. so long as he doesn't own the failure he will be blamed because nature abhors a vacuum. it's a sign of a fragile ego that he doesn't own failure. it would be so much healthier than the substitute which is pre-emptively wanting to test free agency.

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5/10/2014  8:39 PM
dk7th wrote:
TeamBall wrote:
dk7th wrote:
holfresh wrote:
dk7th wrote:
nyk4ever wrote:
holfresh wrote:
knickscity wrote:
holfresh wrote:
knickscity wrote:
holfresh wrote:
knickscity wrote:
holfresh wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:Those guys numbers elevate in the 4th. Melos goes down

He needs to be more efficient in the 4th. A lot of it was Woodson but Melo takes blame too

He was logging the most minutes in the NBA..He was worn down by the 4th quarter..I think they show a stat of his 4 quarter shooting percentage this season was much lower than in any other season yet his overall shooting was roughly the same...


Not true, Durant led the league in minutes played and actually played every game except one which Melo missed five.

Both players averaged 38 minutes per game.

Durant also posted a near 30 in PER which led the league as the most efficient player, so this "ton of minutes" excuse doesnt fly.

Melo's efficiency dropped due to the way he plays not from being on the court too much.

Cant even use the team mate excuse either...Durant's best team mate missed nearly half the season, and thats combined with having a center who averages 3 points a game and shooting guard averaging 6 in the starting lineup.

Melo and Jimmy Butler led the league at 38.7 mins per game ...Durant came in at 38.5 mins per..So Durant who is a better player than Melo played half the season without Westbrook??..So half the season, Durant had real help while Melo had JR??...So you point out two players Durant had to play with that can't score...Tell who who on our squad is better than Reggie Jackson, Ibaka and Westbrook for half the season??..Amare was playing 20 mins a night when he did play...

Whatever, Melo sucks...28 and 8 sucks..


Still an excuse, but who's talking minutes per game Durant was only .2 off that mark anyway....Durant led the league in minutes PLAYED and certainly would have played the 82nd game if the Thunder hadnt already locked up positioning.

No, 28 and 8 doesnt suck, but it certainly doesnt eclipse 32/7/5 on 50% shooting and a near 30 PER.

But it is safe to say all 28/8's arent the same....some help their teams win by doing more.

It's still 28 and 8, haven't been done since Shaq...It's something because no one else is doing it...


I dont think anyone has missed the playoffs while doing it either, but why focus on that when other are doing more?

Shaq was playing with Kobe..Give Melo a Kobe caliber player in his prime and let's see him miss the playoffs..Your argument judges the rest of the Knicks to be on par with the old Lakers and OKC..

couldnt' agree with you more holfresh. it's amazing to me the way people try and find new ways to **** on melo. 28&8 is 28&8 no matter how you cut it and like you said, melo did it playing with a group of average players, not another hall of famer like shaq did. another day, another new way to dismiss anything melo has done.

the team missed the playoffs. when you miss the playoffs the biggest name should take the most heat, stand up and be accountable for a failed season. he doesn't have the stones to do that. fortunately we will be seeing the franchise undergo a culture change.


By the same accord, when they win 54 games and gets the 2nd seed, they should get credit or u don't see it that way???...

depends on whether you saw a playoff team gelling with him as the integral reason why they were gelling. i didn't see that and the 54 wins did not carry over with any real momentum. i did not have a lot of optimism in those 54 wins. here and there i got very excited but in a general sense i was not confident. the celtics series was unsettling and when we lost home court to the pacers-- where melo was invisible-- i thought this was a telling and revealing moment for him.


So when they miss the playoffs, he gets blamed no questions asked. But when they make it, theres suddenly other things you have to consider when deciding whether or not to give him credit? Tell me you see the problem with this.

no need to put words in my mouth-- i said he needs to take responsibility for failure, step up and say he is accountable, and yes "shoulder the blame." i have a problem with big names not doing that and to this day he has never come close to doing that. so long as he doesn't own the failure he will be blamed because nature abhors a vacuum. it's a sign of a fragile ego that he doesn't own failure. it would be so much healthier than the substitute which is pre-emptively wanting to test free agency.


Not putting words in your mouth as the "take the most heat" part was what I was referring to. I don't exactly understand where your problem lies though. You want him to take responsibility for us missing the playoffs?
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TeamBall wrote:
dk7th wrote:
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dk7th wrote:
holfresh wrote:
dk7th wrote:
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holfresh wrote:
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holfresh wrote:
knickscity wrote:
holfresh wrote:
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holfresh wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:Those guys numbers elevate in the 4th. Melos goes down

He needs to be more efficient in the 4th. A lot of it was Woodson but Melo takes blame too

He was logging the most minutes in the NBA..He was worn down by the 4th quarter..I think they show a stat of his 4 quarter shooting percentage this season was much lower than in any other season yet his overall shooting was roughly the same...


Not true, Durant led the league in minutes played and actually played every game except one which Melo missed five.

Both players averaged 38 minutes per game.

Durant also posted a near 30 in PER which led the league as the most efficient player, so this "ton of minutes" excuse doesnt fly.

Melo's efficiency dropped due to the way he plays not from being on the court too much.

Cant even use the team mate excuse either...Durant's best team mate missed nearly half the season, and thats combined with having a center who averages 3 points a game and shooting guard averaging 6 in the starting lineup.

Melo and Jimmy Butler led the league at 38.7 mins per game ...Durant came in at 38.5 mins per..So Durant who is a better player than Melo played half the season without Westbrook??..So half the season, Durant had real help while Melo had JR??...So you point out two players Durant had to play with that can't score...Tell who who on our squad is better than Reggie Jackson, Ibaka and Westbrook for half the season??..Amare was playing 20 mins a night when he did play...

Whatever, Melo sucks...28 and 8 sucks..


Still an excuse, but who's talking minutes per game Durant was only .2 off that mark anyway....Durant led the league in minutes PLAYED and certainly would have played the 82nd game if the Thunder hadnt already locked up positioning.

No, 28 and 8 doesnt suck, but it certainly doesnt eclipse 32/7/5 on 50% shooting and a near 30 PER.

But it is safe to say all 28/8's arent the same....some help their teams win by doing more.

It's still 28 and 8, haven't been done since Shaq...It's something because no one else is doing it...


I dont think anyone has missed the playoffs while doing it either, but why focus on that when other are doing more?

Shaq was playing with Kobe..Give Melo a Kobe caliber player in his prime and let's see him miss the playoffs..Your argument judges the rest of the Knicks to be on par with the old Lakers and OKC..

couldnt' agree with you more holfresh. it's amazing to me the way people try and find new ways to **** on melo. 28&8 is 28&8 no matter how you cut it and like you said, melo did it playing with a group of average players, not another hall of famer like shaq did. another day, another new way to dismiss anything melo has done.

the team missed the playoffs. when you miss the playoffs the biggest name should take the most heat, stand up and be accountable for a failed season. he doesn't have the stones to do that. fortunately we will be seeing the franchise undergo a culture change.


By the same accord, when they win 54 games and gets the 2nd seed, they should get credit or u don't see it that way???...

depends on whether you saw a playoff team gelling with him as the integral reason why they were gelling. i didn't see that and the 54 wins did not carry over with any real momentum. i did not have a lot of optimism in those 54 wins. here and there i got very excited but in a general sense i was not confident. the celtics series was unsettling and when we lost home court to the pacers-- where melo was invisible-- i thought this was a telling and revealing moment for him.


So when they miss the playoffs, he gets blamed no questions asked. But when they make it, theres suddenly other things you have to consider when deciding whether or not to give him credit? Tell me you see the problem with this.

no need to put words in my mouth-- i said he needs to take responsibility for failure, step up and say he is accountable, and yes "shoulder the blame." i have a problem with big names not doing that and to this day he has never come close to doing that. so long as he doesn't own the failure he will be blamed because nature abhors a vacuum. it's a sign of a fragile ego that he doesn't own failure. it would be so much healthier than the substitute which is pre-emptively wanting to test free agency.


Not putting words in your mouth as the "take the most heat" part was what I was referring to. I don't exactly understand where your problem lies though. You want him to take responsibility for us missing the playoffs?

ah i see. well do you think he holds himself accountable then? i never hear these sorts of statements from him.

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5/10/2014  8:53 PM
dk7th wrote:
TeamBall wrote:
dk7th wrote:
TeamBall wrote:
dk7th wrote:
holfresh wrote:
dk7th wrote:
nyk4ever wrote:
holfresh wrote:
knickscity wrote:
holfresh wrote:
knickscity wrote:
holfresh wrote:
knickscity wrote:
holfresh wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:Those guys numbers elevate in the 4th. Melos goes down

He needs to be more efficient in the 4th. A lot of it was Woodson but Melo takes blame too

He was logging the most minutes in the NBA..He was worn down by the 4th quarter..I think they show a stat of his 4 quarter shooting percentage this season was much lower than in any other season yet his overall shooting was roughly the same...


Not true, Durant led the league in minutes played and actually played every game except one which Melo missed five.

Both players averaged 38 minutes per game.

Durant also posted a near 30 in PER which led the league as the most efficient player, so this "ton of minutes" excuse doesnt fly.

Melo's efficiency dropped due to the way he plays not from being on the court too much.

Cant even use the team mate excuse either...Durant's best team mate missed nearly half the season, and thats combined with having a center who averages 3 points a game and shooting guard averaging 6 in the starting lineup.

Melo and Jimmy Butler led the league at 38.7 mins per game ...Durant came in at 38.5 mins per..So Durant who is a better player than Melo played half the season without Westbrook??..So half the season, Durant had real help while Melo had JR??...So you point out two players Durant had to play with that can't score...Tell who who on our squad is better than Reggie Jackson, Ibaka and Westbrook for half the season??..Amare was playing 20 mins a night when he did play...

Whatever, Melo sucks...28 and 8 sucks..


Still an excuse, but who's talking minutes per game Durant was only .2 off that mark anyway....Durant led the league in minutes PLAYED and certainly would have played the 82nd game if the Thunder hadnt already locked up positioning.

No, 28 and 8 doesnt suck, but it certainly doesnt eclipse 32/7/5 on 50% shooting and a near 30 PER.

But it is safe to say all 28/8's arent the same....some help their teams win by doing more.

It's still 28 and 8, haven't been done since Shaq...It's something because no one else is doing it...


I dont think anyone has missed the playoffs while doing it either, but why focus on that when other are doing more?

Shaq was playing with Kobe..Give Melo a Kobe caliber player in his prime and let's see him miss the playoffs..Your argument judges the rest of the Knicks to be on par with the old Lakers and OKC..

couldnt' agree with you more holfresh. it's amazing to me the way people try and find new ways to **** on melo. 28&8 is 28&8 no matter how you cut it and like you said, melo did it playing with a group of average players, not another hall of famer like shaq did. another day, another new way to dismiss anything melo has done.

the team missed the playoffs. when you miss the playoffs the biggest name should take the most heat, stand up and be accountable for a failed season. he doesn't have the stones to do that. fortunately we will be seeing the franchise undergo a culture change.


By the same accord, when they win 54 games and gets the 2nd seed, they should get credit or u don't see it that way???...

depends on whether you saw a playoff team gelling with him as the integral reason why they were gelling. i didn't see that and the 54 wins did not carry over with any real momentum. i did not have a lot of optimism in those 54 wins. here and there i got very excited but in a general sense i was not confident. the celtics series was unsettling and when we lost home court to the pacers-- where melo was invisible-- i thought this was a telling and revealing moment for him.


So when they miss the playoffs, he gets blamed no questions asked. But when they make it, theres suddenly other things you have to consider when deciding whether or not to give him credit? Tell me you see the problem with this.

no need to put words in my mouth-- i said he needs to take responsibility for failure, step up and say he is accountable, and yes "shoulder the blame." i have a problem with big names not doing that and to this day he has never come close to doing that. so long as he doesn't own the failure he will be blamed because nature abhors a vacuum. it's a sign of a fragile ego that he doesn't own failure. it would be so much healthier than the substitute which is pre-emptively wanting to test free agency.


Not putting words in your mouth as the "take the most heat" part was what I was referring to. I don't exactly understand where your problem lies though. You want him to take responsibility for us missing the playoffs?

ah i see. well do you think he holds himself accountable then? i never hear these sorts of statements from him.


I don't recall hearing any either but I wouldn't want him putting false blame on himself when he didn't do anything. The one time that quickly comes to mind is the Cleveland game that Guns mentioned where he could have passed to a wide open Amare. Had a one of the reporters brought that up in the post game, I would have liked to have heard some accountability then.
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TeamBall wrote:
dk7th wrote:
TeamBall wrote:
dk7th wrote:
TeamBall wrote:
dk7th wrote:
holfresh wrote:
dk7th wrote:
nyk4ever wrote:
holfresh wrote:
knickscity wrote:
holfresh wrote:
knickscity wrote:
holfresh wrote:
knickscity wrote:
holfresh wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:Those guys numbers elevate in the 4th. Melos goes down

He needs to be more efficient in the 4th. A lot of it was Woodson but Melo takes blame too

He was logging the most minutes in the NBA..He was worn down by the 4th quarter..I think they show a stat of his 4 quarter shooting percentage this season was much lower than in any other season yet his overall shooting was roughly the same...


Not true, Durant led the league in minutes played and actually played every game except one which Melo missed five.

Both players averaged 38 minutes per game.

Durant also posted a near 30 in PER which led the league as the most efficient player, so this "ton of minutes" excuse doesnt fly.

Melo's efficiency dropped due to the way he plays not from being on the court too much.

Cant even use the team mate excuse either...Durant's best team mate missed nearly half the season, and thats combined with having a center who averages 3 points a game and shooting guard averaging 6 in the starting lineup.

Melo and Jimmy Butler led the league at 38.7 mins per game ...Durant came in at 38.5 mins per..So Durant who is a better player than Melo played half the season without Westbrook??..So half the season, Durant had real help while Melo had JR??...So you point out two players Durant had to play with that can't score...Tell who who on our squad is better than Reggie Jackson, Ibaka and Westbrook for half the season??..Amare was playing 20 mins a night when he did play...

Whatever, Melo sucks...28 and 8 sucks..


Still an excuse, but who's talking minutes per game Durant was only .2 off that mark anyway....Durant led the league in minutes PLAYED and certainly would have played the 82nd game if the Thunder hadnt already locked up positioning.

No, 28 and 8 doesnt suck, but it certainly doesnt eclipse 32/7/5 on 50% shooting and a near 30 PER.

But it is safe to say all 28/8's arent the same....some help their teams win by doing more.

It's still 28 and 8, haven't been done since Shaq...It's something because no one else is doing it...


I dont think anyone has missed the playoffs while doing it either, but why focus on that when other are doing more?

Shaq was playing with Kobe..Give Melo a Kobe caliber player in his prime and let's see him miss the playoffs..Your argument judges the rest of the Knicks to be on par with the old Lakers and OKC..

couldnt' agree with you more holfresh. it's amazing to me the way people try and find new ways to **** on melo. 28&8 is 28&8 no matter how you cut it and like you said, melo did it playing with a group of average players, not another hall of famer like shaq did. another day, another new way to dismiss anything melo has done.

the team missed the playoffs. when you miss the playoffs the biggest name should take the most heat, stand up and be accountable for a failed season. he doesn't have the stones to do that. fortunately we will be seeing the franchise undergo a culture change.


By the same accord, when they win 54 games and gets the 2nd seed, they should get credit or u don't see it that way???...

depends on whether you saw a playoff team gelling with him as the integral reason why they were gelling. i didn't see that and the 54 wins did not carry over with any real momentum. i did not have a lot of optimism in those 54 wins. here and there i got very excited but in a general sense i was not confident. the celtics series was unsettling and when we lost home court to the pacers-- where melo was invisible-- i thought this was a telling and revealing moment for him.


So when they miss the playoffs, he gets blamed no questions asked. But when they make it, theres suddenly other things you have to consider when deciding whether or not to give him credit? Tell me you see the problem with this.

no need to put words in my mouth-- i said he needs to take responsibility for failure, step up and say he is accountable, and yes "shoulder the blame." i have a problem with big names not doing that and to this day he has never come close to doing that. so long as he doesn't own the failure he will be blamed because nature abhors a vacuum. it's a sign of a fragile ego that he doesn't own failure. it would be so much healthier than the substitute which is pre-emptively wanting to test free agency.


Not putting words in your mouth as the "take the most heat" part was what I was referring to. I don't exactly understand where your problem lies though. You want him to take responsibility for us missing the playoffs?

ah i see. well do you think he holds himself accountable then? i never hear these sorts of statements from him.


I don't recall hearing any either but I wouldn't want him putting false blame on himself when he didn't do anything. The one time that quickly comes to mind is the Cleveland game that Guns mentioned where he could have passed to a wide open Amare. Had a one of the reporters brought that up in the post game, I would have liked to have heard some accountability then.

That would've been the apropos time but like dk says he's too busy "testing the free agency waters"

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TeamBall wrote:
dk7th wrote:
TeamBall wrote:
dk7th wrote:
TeamBall wrote:
dk7th wrote:
holfresh wrote:
dk7th wrote:
nyk4ever wrote:
holfresh wrote:
knickscity wrote:
holfresh wrote:
knickscity wrote:
holfresh wrote:
knickscity wrote:
holfresh wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:Those guys numbers elevate in the 4th. Melos goes down

He needs to be more efficient in the 4th. A lot of it was Woodson but Melo takes blame too

He was logging the most minutes in the NBA..He was worn down by the 4th quarter..I think they show a stat of his 4 quarter shooting percentage this season was much lower than in any other season yet his overall shooting was roughly the same...


Not true, Durant led the league in minutes played and actually played every game except one which Melo missed five.

Both players averaged 38 minutes per game.

Durant also posted a near 30 in PER which led the league as the most efficient player, so this "ton of minutes" excuse doesnt fly.

Melo's efficiency dropped due to the way he plays not from being on the court too much.

Cant even use the team mate excuse either...Durant's best team mate missed nearly half the season, and thats combined with having a center who averages 3 points a game and shooting guard averaging 6 in the starting lineup.

Melo and Jimmy Butler led the league at 38.7 mins per game ...Durant came in at 38.5 mins per..So Durant who is a better player than Melo played half the season without Westbrook??..So half the season, Durant had real help while Melo had JR??...So you point out two players Durant had to play with that can't score...Tell who who on our squad is better than Reggie Jackson, Ibaka and Westbrook for half the season??..Amare was playing 20 mins a night when he did play...

Whatever, Melo sucks...28 and 8 sucks..


Still an excuse, but who's talking minutes per game Durant was only .2 off that mark anyway....Durant led the league in minutes PLAYED and certainly would have played the 82nd game if the Thunder hadnt already locked up positioning.

No, 28 and 8 doesnt suck, but it certainly doesnt eclipse 32/7/5 on 50% shooting and a near 30 PER.

But it is safe to say all 28/8's arent the same....some help their teams win by doing more.

It's still 28 and 8, haven't been done since Shaq...It's something because no one else is doing it...


I dont think anyone has missed the playoffs while doing it either, but why focus on that when other are doing more?

Shaq was playing with Kobe..Give Melo a Kobe caliber player in his prime and let's see him miss the playoffs..Your argument judges the rest of the Knicks to be on par with the old Lakers and OKC..

couldnt' agree with you more holfresh. it's amazing to me the way people try and find new ways to **** on melo. 28&8 is 28&8 no matter how you cut it and like you said, melo did it playing with a group of average players, not another hall of famer like shaq did. another day, another new way to dismiss anything melo has done.

the team missed the playoffs. when you miss the playoffs the biggest name should take the most heat, stand up and be accountable for a failed season. he doesn't have the stones to do that. fortunately we will be seeing the franchise undergo a culture change.


By the same accord, when they win 54 games and gets the 2nd seed, they should get credit or u don't see it that way???...

depends on whether you saw a playoff team gelling with him as the integral reason why they were gelling. i didn't see that and the 54 wins did not carry over with any real momentum. i did not have a lot of optimism in those 54 wins. here and there i got very excited but in a general sense i was not confident. the celtics series was unsettling and when we lost home court to the pacers-- where melo was invisible-- i thought this was a telling and revealing moment for him.


So when they miss the playoffs, he gets blamed no questions asked. But when they make it, theres suddenly other things you have to consider when deciding whether or not to give him credit? Tell me you see the problem with this.

no need to put words in my mouth-- i said he needs to take responsibility for failure, step up and say he is accountable, and yes "shoulder the blame." i have a problem with big names not doing that and to this day he has never come close to doing that. so long as he doesn't own the failure he will be blamed because nature abhors a vacuum. it's a sign of a fragile ego that he doesn't own failure. it would be so much healthier than the substitute which is pre-emptively wanting to test free agency.


Not putting words in your mouth as the "take the most heat" part was what I was referring to. I don't exactly understand where your problem lies though. You want him to take responsibility for us missing the playoffs?

ah i see. well do you think he holds himself accountable then? i never hear these sorts of statements from him.


I don't recall hearing any either but I wouldn't want him putting false blame on himself when he didn't do anything. The one time that quickly comes to mind is the Cleveland game that Guns mentioned where he could have passed to a wide open Amare. Had a one of the reporters brought that up in the post game, I would have liked to have heard some accountability then.

"didn't do anything" ha ha ha

how about "didn't do enough" instead?

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So.... um.... Mark Jackson. Let's not hire him. I think the only people who want him are the ones defending Melo at all costs. And hiring Mark Jackson would mean unlimited isolation plays for Melo to continue some the rest of the team stands and watches. I think we have proved that doesn't work. We need a new philosophy and Mark Jackson is not it.
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meloshouldgo wrote:So.... um.... Mark Jackson. Let's not hire him. I think the only people who want him are the ones defending Melo at all costs. And hiring Mark Jackson would mean unlimited isolation plays for Melo to continue some the rest of the team stands and watches. I think we have proved that doesn't work. We need a new philosophy and Mark Jackson is not it.

all too plausible a scenario-- if you leave phil jackson out of the equation. mark jackson will not work in msg.

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Not Really

meloshouldgo wrote:So.... um.... Mark Jackson. Let's not hire him. I think the only people who want him are the ones defending Melo at all costs. And hiring Mark Jackson would mean unlimited isolation plays for Melo to continue some the rest of the team stands and watches. I think we have proved that doesn't work. We need a new philosophy and Mark Jackson is not it.

Carmelo Anthony is thinking about his legacy. Not the New York Knicks. Like anyone else, he will sign with a franchise that he feels gives him the best opportunity to earn a championship ring.

Mark Jackson and Carmelo Anthony are not related issues.

Please stop the madness.

What is this New Phil-osophy you speak of?

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misterearl wrote:Not Really

meloshouldgo wrote:So.... um.... Mark Jackson. Let's not hire him. I think the only people who want him are the ones defending Melo at all costs. And hiring Mark Jackson would mean unlimited isolation plays for Melo to continue some the rest of the team stands and watches. I think we have proved that doesn't work. We need a new philosophy and Mark Jackson is not it.

Carmelo Anthony is thinking about his legacy. Not the New York Knicks. Like anyone else, he will sign with a franchise that he feels gives him the best opportunity to earn a championship ring.

Mark Jackson and Carmelo Anthony are not related issues.

Please stop the madness.

What is this New Phil-osophy you speak of?

His legacy? For real? Dude has Subaru he is leaving for LaLa? He probably should focus on the coaching thing more, no?


PHILOSOPHY

Easy - Get players who play on both sides of the ball and commit to the team concept. Focus on efficiency instead of volume. Then get a coach who coaches a balanced effort involving the entire team and is actually capable of drawing up plays and calling timeouts. - Is this too much to ask for? And if this proves too difficult, just go get Lebron James and start with that!

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5/11/2014  6:47 PM
Big NO on MJAX. That religious background irks me big time. I can most definitely imagine PJax and MJax not getting along.
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5/11/2014  7:32 PM
skeng wrote:Big NO on MJAX. That religious background irks me big time. I can most definitely imagine PJax and MJax not getting along.

I have already stated that I don't him hired. But curious about why his religion bothers you? Is there some extreme religious views he has expressed? sorry I just don't know.

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