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8/1/2016  5:53 PM
Nalod wrote:Briggs gets grumpy.

And I just realized that it was Briggs who started this thread.

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8/1/2016  8:37 PM
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meloshouldgo wrote:
NardDogNation wrote:I could see why Larry isn't going to be a successful businessman. It was an incredibly dumb comment on his part and I expect him to lose his job because of it.

Is that more or less dumb than, Mexicans are drug dealers and rapists, and Muslims need to register.
As far as I can tell LJ want directly accusatory in his comment, it was implied obviously. So if you think he should lose his job, can he at least run for president?

Not defending what he said but in the context of what we are witnessing, his comments were tame and rather inspid.

I already proposed LG for president in this thread back in 2014 and was called racist for that...
I do not understand how minorities can support democracy so much as they will be surely abused by majority if the majority is so anti-minority like they think it is...
If people will be colorblind how they will discriminate? Probably based on smell...

Oh no arkrud found us out, guys. We minorities hate democracy.

As soon as we get in power, we will install an orthographocracy. Every thing will be decided via a spelling bee. Watch your back, arkrud!

If you leave in US you obviously not into democracy because we do not have one... and God bless the founding fathers for this.
We do use some elements of it to make sure a bunch of folks are filling good about themselves.
By the way in Russia one need 2 photo ID to vote and if one is not voting for Putin he should watch his back anyways...

"There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy." Hamlet
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simrud wrote:My personal opinion is sure go for it. If African Americans would like to have their own pro league just do it. And that goes for everything - if you want to be like Jews just do your thing and stop worrying about what others think unless they are actively opposing your plans - then deal with it through internal unity.

Wow. First off this post should not have been bumped--it was what it was at the time-- a really poor statement by LJ When I see posts that validate what LJ said I have to shake my head. What he said was wrong--its completely divisive and highly obtuse.

How about focus on the National debt better and more affordable education health care fixing the US infrastructure and make the 15mm illegal immigrants and their employers pay some pretty big fines and their fair share in taxes. Worry about white collar crime and drugs. But the divisive sht is boring and has to end.

Not that its realistic. But don't see the big deal if hypothetically African Americans did start there own league. Unless they refused to allow any other races from playing or watching. The only real difference would be the owners and possibly the networks that distributed the program.

https://vote.nba.com/en Vote for your Knicks.
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Also I have a simple question - why people in US have to label themselves with some ethnic group?
Why they cannot be just American ethnicity and be treated by all laws and regulations as such?
I am 20 years in US and this is the biggest mystery I still cannot understand.
To me there are only Humans from Earth and aliens from Space (who supposed to be green spiders).
"There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy." Hamlet
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8/1/2016  9:34 PM
arkrud wrote:Also I have a simple question - why people in US have to label themselves with some ethnic group?
Why they cannot be just American ethnicity and be treated by all laws and regulations as such?
I am 20 years in US and this is the biggest mystery I still cannot understand.
To me there are only Humans from Earth and aliens from Space (who supposed to be green spiders).

that is an interesting american problem. when did and how did america go from being a "melting pot" to a nation "rejoicing in diversity."

knicks win 38-43 games in 16-17. rose MUST shoot no more than 14 shots per game, defer to kp6 + melo, and have a usage rate of less than 25%
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arkrud wrote:Also I have a simple question - why people in US have to label themselves with some ethnic group?
What does the US have to do with it (?)

Pitting one ethnic group against another is a universal, time-tested method for gaining power.

Do your ears stick out (?)

Sure they do . . . and because of that there are people who despise you and take advantage of
you (!)

So what we need to do is get all the people with ears that stick out to join together and fight
this evil.

I'll tell you what -- I'll be your leader (!)

Of course, I'll need some of your money in order to get started . . . but we'll get it back many
times over when we get control of things (!)

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arkrud wrote:Also I have a simple question - why people in US have to label themselves with some ethnic group?
Why they cannot be just American ethnicity and be treated by all laws and regulations as such?
I am 20 years in US and this is the biggest mystery I still cannot understand.
To me there are only Humans from Earth and aliens from Space (who supposed to be green spiders).

I hate to say this but you need to learn a lot about American History. From early on race was a huge factor after that was class. Race however is much easier to use as a dividing. Line. Originally slaves were of all races but in 1619 African Slaves were brought here and in time they wrote laws that made it permanent that Africans would remain slaves. Just one drop of African Blood made you non white and thus a Slave. Equal rights is only about 50 years old. I was born in 1965 so my parents lived during Jim Crow and Segregation. I was the 1st one in my family born after the Civil Rights era. My ancestors were dragged here in 1758 as slaves. The Klan still marches in the small town in North Carolina were my mom was born. Takes longer than 50 years to get rid of the cancer of racism.

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arkrud wrote:Also I have a simple question - why people in US have to label themselves with some ethnic group?
Why they cannot be just American ethnicity and be treated by all laws and regulations as such?
I am 20 years in US and this is the biggest mystery I still cannot understand.
To me there are only Humans from Earth and aliens from Space (who supposed to be green spiders).

I hate to say this but you need to learn a lot about American History. From early on race was a huge factor after that was class. Race however is much easier to use as a dividing. Line. Originally slaves were of all races but in 1619 African Slaves were brought here and in time they wrote laws that made it permanent that Africans would remain slaves. Just one drop of African Blood made you non white and thus a Slave. Equal rights is only about 50 years old. I was born in 1965 so my parents lived during Jim Crow and Segregation. I was the 1st one in my family born after the Civil Rights era. My ancestors were dragged here in 1758 as slaves. The Klan still marches in the small town in North Carolina were my mom was born. Takes longer than 50 years to get rid of the cancer of racism.

I know all this and I understand that there are many people who want to benefit from dividing population in groups and confront them against each other in order for this "leaders" to gain power and money. This is understandable.
What is not why this very people who are getting abused and misused this way are them-self demanding this division to be institutionalized? Why they want all this laws and surveys to be performed? Why they foolishly believe that this will ever work in their favor? And why they do not follow the lead of people who fight for Civil Rights and wanted everyone to be treated equally?
And what it has to do with labeling people "Latinos" or "Asians" or Native Americans or whatever...
I am not opposing treating any kind of heritage, traditions, and cultures with respect, but why to force people to label themselves in special groups under false premise of some "benefits" which are in fact just a door to racist hell.

"There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy." Hamlet
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arkrud wrote:
nixluva wrote:
arkrud wrote:Also I have a simple question - why people in US have to label themselves with some ethnic group?
Why they cannot be just American ethnicity and be treated by all laws and regulations as such?
I am 20 years in US and this is the biggest mystery I still cannot understand.
To me there are only Humans from Earth and aliens from Space (who supposed to be green spiders).

I hate to say this but you need to learn a lot about American History. From early on race was a huge factor after that was class. Race however is much easier to use as a dividing. Line. Originally slaves were of all races but in 1619 African Slaves were brought here and in time they wrote laws that made it permanent that Africans would remain slaves. Just one drop of African Blood made you non white and thus a Slave. Equal rights is only about 50 years old. I was born in 1965 so my parents lived during Jim Crow and Segregation. I was the 1st one in my family born after the Civil Rights era. My ancestors were dragged here in 1758 as slaves. The Klan still marches in the small town in North Carolina were my mom was born. Takes longer than 50 years to get rid of the cancer of racism.

I know all this and I understand that there are many people who want to benefit from dividing population in groups and confront them against each other in order for this "leaders" to gain power and money. This is understandable.
What is not why this very people who are getting abused and misused this way are them-self demanding this division to be institutionalized? Why they want all this laws and surveys to be performed? Why they foolishly believe that this will ever work in their favor? And why they do not follow the lead of people who fight for Civil Rights and wanted everyone to be treated equally?
And what it has to do with labeling people "Latinos" or "Asians" or Native Americans or whatever...
I am not opposing treating any kind of heritage, traditions, and cultures with respect, but why to force people to label themselves in special groups under false premise of some "benefits" which are in fact just a door to racist hell.


You have to understand that the Systems in this country are Hundreds of years old and the divided nature of society is built in. Down here in the South the old Rich Slave holding class maintained power after the Civil War and to this very DAY they are still in power. Each of the minority groups band together out of necessity and desperation. It's a survival mechanism. The powerful pit poor whites against minorities in order to maintain power. After the Civil War the Elite Class feared poor whites and minorities coming together and overthrowing them. This is why they spread lies and fomented racial divisions in order to trick poor whites into hating minorities so that they wouldn't come together. That's how the rich have stayed in power all these years.
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newyorknewyork wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:
simrud wrote:My personal opinion is sure go for it. If African Americans would like to have their own pro league just do it. And that goes for everything - if you want to be like Jews just do your thing and stop worrying about what others think unless they are actively opposing your plans - then deal with it through internal unity.

Wow. First off this post should not have been bumped--it was what it was at the time-- a really poor statement by LJ When I see posts that validate what LJ said I have to shake my head. What he said was wrong--its completely divisive and highly obtuse.

How about focus on the National debt better and more affordable education health care fixing the US infrastructure and make the 15mm illegal immigrants and their employers pay some pretty big fines and their fair share in taxes. Worry about white collar crime and drugs. But the divisive sht is boring and has to end.

Not that its realistic. But don't see the big deal if hypothetically African Americans did start there own league. Unless they refused to allow any other races from playing or watching. The only real difference would be the owners and possibly the networks that distributed the program.

I dont get this--this is a contradiction at best?

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Exhibit Uncovers the 'Negro Leagues' of Basketball
'The Black Fives' Opening at the New-York Historical Society

By SOPHIA HOLLANDER
March 13, 2014 9:33 p.m. ET

Claude Johnson never intended to dedicate his life to the history of basketball's early segregated leagues.

At first, he says, his interest in the African-American teams of the early 1900s focused simply on selling their retro jerseys. But over the last decade, his vision broadened as he began amassing artifacts from dozens of all-black teams—known as "Black Fives"—that competed before the National Basketball Association integrated in 1950. His quest to chronicle their all-but-hidden history will reach a milestone on Friday when "The Black Fives," the first major exhibition on the topic, opens at the New-York Historical Society.

"It's been such a struggle," said Mr. Johnson, who guest-curated the exhibit and is founder and executive director of the Black Fives Foundation.

The exhibition features some 150 artifacts from Mr. Johnson's collection, including vintage equipment, an original jersey and contract, ticket stubs, letters and newspaper clippings. Through it, one can trace the evolution of African-American history over that time, museum officials said.

From business to civil rights, "all these historical lineages get involved in this one specific story," said Stephen Edidin, chief curator at the historical society.

The first organized black basketball team was formed in Brooklyn in 1906 by the Smart Set Athletic Club. A network of amateur teams sponsored by community groups, churches, social groups and local athletic associations quickly sprung up.

The Smart Set team, called the "Grave Diggers" because the players said they buried their opponents, were amateur efforts "like summer camp," recalled the great-granddaughter of the club's founders, author Gail Lumet Buckley. "It was very important, though, in the black middle-class world of New York and Harlem."

Basketball was a way to protect against bad influences and promote the "uplift of the race," Mr. Johnson writes.

The number of high-profile amateur teams peaked around 1910, when dozens of squads competed across the country. Businesses, newspapers, clothing stores, factories and theaters all created teams. Barred from all-white gymnasiums, players found spaces in the church basements, casinos and dance halls. Promoters frequently invited bands to perform and advertised postgame dances to attract more fans, Mr. Johnson said.

Teams cautiously began to professionalize, he said, adopting names that advertised their race—like the Harlem Globetrotters (founded in Chicago) or the Colored Giants. Harlem was a brand, but it was also protection. "You don't want a black team to show up when nobody was expecting a black team," Mr. Johnson said. "That was a risky undertaking."

He bought most of his collection's items on eBay. There was rarely a bidding war. Unlike the history of baseball's Negro Leagues, "no one's interested," he said.

That might be traced to essential differences between the sports, said Matt Zeysing, curator and historian at the Naismith Memorial Basketball Hall of Fame. Baseball always pitched itself as a timeless "national pastime"—its open-air stadiums and greenery evoking a rural past. By contrast, basketball evolved as an indoor, urban sport. Cities are fundamentally forward-looking, he said, and the sport reflects that character.

Although teams were largely segregated, games sometimes pitted white and black teams against each other. Winning wasn't without its consequences, said Karen Isaacs, the daughter of John Isaacs, who starred for one of the most famous teams, the New York Renaissance, or the Rens. "They would have to rush them out of the gym before things started to flare up," she said.


The Rens and Globetrotters were the only two African- American squads—out of 12 total teams—invited to participate in the first professional basketball championship in 1939. The Rens won the title.

"That ... caused the public to realize that black basketball talent was here to stay and it was first rate," Mr. Johnson said.

Still, life wasn't easy. Mr. Isaacs worked for an insurance company in the Bronx for decades, earning enough money to continue playing basketball. Although he played for the country's top professional teams, he earned about $100 a month, his daughter said.

Near the end of his life, Mr. Isaacs made a push to be inducted into the Hall of Fame, but failed before he died in 2009 at 93 years old. His name is still on the ballot, Mr. Zeysing said. The number of African-American players from that era is capped at one inductee a year.

Mr. Johnson initially licensed the jerseys and began selling them. But in 2003, a security guard in Philadelphia was moved to tears as Mr. Johnson described the merchandise's back story. He realized "there's something else here," he said.

Last year, he dissolved his company and created the Black Fives Foundation, a nonprofit dedicated to spreading the story.

"There's a better karma" now, he said. He dreams the NBA "will really embrace this" and players and college teams will pause to take in the exhibit: "We're all part of this bigger picture."

Indeed, the early black Brooklyn teams were honored last year at the Barclays Center, home of the Nets. Mr. Johnson worked with arena officials to select six team photographs that were installed in the main concourse.

They were astonished to learn the history, said David Berliner, chief operating officer of Forest City Ratner Cos., which developed the arena. "Exceptional athletes who helped shape this modern game need to be rediscovered," he said.

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nixluva wrote:
arkrud wrote:
nixluva wrote:
arkrud wrote:Also I have a simple question - why people in US have to label themselves with some ethnic group?
Why they cannot be just American ethnicity and be treated by all laws and regulations as such?
I am 20 years in US and this is the biggest mystery I still cannot understand.
To me there are only Humans from Earth and aliens from Space (who supposed to be green spiders).

I hate to say this but you need to learn a lot about American History. From early on race was a huge factor after that was class. Race however is much easier to use as a dividing. Line. Originally slaves were of all races but in 1619 African Slaves were brought here and in time they wrote laws that made it permanent that Africans would remain slaves. Just one drop of African Blood made you non white and thus a Slave. Equal rights is only about 50 years old. I was born in 1965 so my parents lived during Jim Crow and Segregation. I was the 1st one in my family born after the Civil Rights era. My ancestors were dragged here in 1758 as slaves. The Klan still marches in the small town in North Carolina were my mom was born. Takes longer than 50 years to get rid of the cancer of racism.

I know all this and I understand that there are many people who want to benefit from dividing population in groups and confront them against each other in order for this "leaders" to gain power and money. This is understandable.
What is not why this very people who are getting abused and misused this way are them-self demanding this division to be institutionalized? Why they want all this laws and surveys to be performed? Why they foolishly believe that this will ever work in their favor? And why they do not follow the lead of people who fight for Civil Rights and wanted everyone to be treated equally?
And what it has to do with labeling people "Latinos" or "Asians" or Native Americans or whatever...
I am not opposing treating any kind of heritage, traditions, and cultures with respect, but why to force people to label themselves in special groups under false premise of some "benefits" which are in fact just a door to racist hell.


You have to understand that the Systems in this country are Hundreds of years old and the divided nature of society is built in. Down here in the South the old Rich Slave holding class maintained power after the Civil War and to this very DAY they are still in power. Each of the minority groups band together out of necessity and desperation. It's a survival mechanism. The powerful pit poor whites against minorities in order to maintain power. After the Civil War the Elite Class feared poor whites and minorities coming together and overthrowing them. This is why they spread lies and fomented racial divisions in order to trick poor whites into hating minorities so that they wouldn't come together. That's how the rich have stayed in power all these years.

Rich stay in power because they collected the wealth which build this country.
How they collected it - by rubbing he trains, using slavery, going to war does not matter now.
Now we are here to use the fruits of it. And we are all invited.
Most of the people in US do not give a damm about the past.
They do not want anybody to rock the boat. That's why they will vote for rich again and again.
Rich people have no ethnicity - they just rich.
Why we need ethnicity for others? So they will bud heads.
Why we, other people, want this to be put on us? Masochism?

"There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy." Hamlet
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BRIGGS wrote:
newyorknewyork wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:
simrud wrote:My personal opinion is sure go for it. If African Americans would like to have their own pro league just do it. And that goes for everything - if you want to be like Jews just do your thing and stop worrying about what others think unless they are actively opposing your plans - then deal with it through internal unity.

Wow. First off this post should not have been bumped--it was what it was at the time-- a really poor statement by LJ When I see posts that validate what LJ said I have to shake my head. What he said was wrong--its completely divisive and highly obtuse.

How about focus on the National debt better and more affordable education health care fixing the US infrastructure and make the 15mm illegal immigrants and their employers pay some pretty big fines and their fair share in taxes. Worry about white collar crime and drugs. But the divisive sht is boring and has to end.

Not that its realistic. But don't see the big deal if hypothetically African Americans did start there own league. Unless they refused to allow any other races from playing or watching. The only real difference would be the owners and possibly the networks that distributed the program.

I dont get this--this is a contradiction at best?

What is African American race? How it is different from African African race?
Like some man is black but he is from Sudan, Kongo, North India, or Moroccan Jew in Israel?
Are they African American, African African, or Jew African?
Then is should be American European which different from Italian, German, Brit, or French.
And this American European has 2 types. Very bad South American European and slightly better North American European.
My head spins from this US racial plutocracy...

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8/2/2016  1:03 AM
arkrud wrote:
DrAlphaeus wrote:
arkrud wrote:
meloshouldgo wrote:
NardDogNation wrote:I could see why Larry isn't going to be a successful businessman. It was an incredibly dumb comment on his part and I expect him to lose his job because of it.

Is that more or less dumb than, Mexicans are drug dealers and rapists, and Muslims need to register.
As far as I can tell LJ want directly accusatory in his comment, it was implied obviously. So if you think he should lose his job, can he at least run for president?

Not defending what he said but in the context of what we are witnessing, his comments were tame and rather inspid.

I already proposed LG for president in this thread back in 2014 and was called racist for that...
I do not understand how minorities can support democracy so much as they will be surely abused by majority if the majority is so anti-minority like they think it is...
If people will be colorblind how they will discriminate? Probably based on smell...

Oh no arkrud found us out, guys. We minorities hate democracy.

As soon as we get in power, we will install an orthographocracy. Every thing will be decided via a spelling bee. Watch your back, arkrud!

If you leave in US you obviously not into democracy because we do not have one... and God bless the founding fathers for this.
We do use some elements of it to make sure a bunch of folks are filling good about themselves.
By the way in Russia one need 2 photo ID to vote and if one is not voting for Putin he should watch his back anyways...

It's possible to live in a place without democracy — or with a limited expression of it via a representative republic — and still be "into" democracy.

It's like being a fan of a crappy ball club but still being "into" good basketball.

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arkrud wrote:
nixluva wrote:
arkrud wrote:
nixluva wrote:
arkrud wrote:Also I have a simple question - why people in US have to label themselves with some ethnic group?
Why they cannot be just American ethnicity and be treated by all laws and regulations as such?
I am 20 years in US and this is the biggest mystery I still cannot understand.
To me there are only Humans from Earth and aliens from Space (who supposed to be green spiders).

I hate to say this but you need to learn a lot about American History. From early on race was a huge factor after that was class. Race however is much easier to use as a dividing. Line. Originally slaves were of all races but in 1619 African Slaves were brought here and in time they wrote laws that made it permanent that Africans would remain slaves. Just one drop of African Blood made you non white and thus a Slave. Equal rights is only about 50 years old. I was born in 1965 so my parents lived during Jim Crow and Segregation. I was the 1st one in my family born after the Civil Rights era. My ancestors were dragged here in 1758 as slaves. The Klan still marches in the small town in North Carolina were my mom was born. Takes longer than 50 years to get rid of the cancer of racism.

I know all this and I understand that there are many people who want to benefit from dividing population in groups and confront them against each other in order for this "leaders" to gain power and money. This is understandable.
What is not why this very people who are getting abused and misused this way are them-self demanding this division to be institutionalized? Why they want all this laws and surveys to be performed? Why they foolishly believe that this will ever work in their favor? And why they do not follow the lead of people who fight for Civil Rights and wanted everyone to be treated equally?
And what it has to do with labeling people "Latinos" or "Asians" or Native Americans or whatever...
I am not opposing treating any kind of heritage, traditions, and cultures with respect, but why to force people to label themselves in special groups under false premise of some "benefits" which are in fact just a door to racist hell.


You have to understand that the Systems in this country are Hundreds of years old and the divided nature of society is built in. Down here in the South the old Rich Slave holding class maintained power after the Civil War and to this very DAY they are still in power. Each of the minority groups band together out of necessity and desperation. It's a survival mechanism. The powerful pit poor whites against minorities in order to maintain power. After the Civil War the Elite Class feared poor whites and minorities coming together and overthrowing them. This is why they spread lies and fomented racial divisions in order to trick poor whites into hating minorities so that they wouldn't come together. That's how the rich have stayed in power all these years.

Rich stay in power because they collected the wealth which build this country.
How they collected it - by rubbing he trains, using slavery, going to war does not matter now.
Now we are here to use the fruits of it. And we are all invited.
Most of the people in US do not give a damm about the past.
They do not want anybody to rock the boat. That's why they will vote for rich again and again.
Rich people have no ethnicity - they just rich.
Why we need ethnicity for others? So they will bud heads.
Why we, other people, want this to be put on us? Masochism?


I've researched my family history all the way back to when the men who purchased them arrived here from Germany back in 1745 and bought my ancestors ON CREDIT in 1758 for £520 Pounds Sterling. I have found the entire family tree of the Slaveholders and most of my family, tho it's hard to trace since they didn't really keep many records of slaves and also they separated my family members between several states. South Carolina, Georgia, Alabama and Mississippi in particular. How much land the slaveholders family came to own. When the slaveholders originally came here they were GIVEN land and money to get started and i've found all the documents showing that as well. They paid a land tax for 10 or 2 years and then owned the land free and clear. I tracked how much money this family made off the backs of my ancestors over a 107 year span until the end of the Civil War tho it didn't end there.

After the end of the war Blacks were forbidden from pursuing any other form of employment other than Plantation work unless they got special permission from the state. remember that Cotton was still a huge profit center for the U.S. and they needed the laborers to get back to work. So they pretty much forced my ancestors to work for the former slaveholders that summer of 1865. I have a copy of the 1st Labor contract between my ancestors and their former Masters from June 22nd of 1865 as well as the one from 1866. Remember the former slaves were illiterate and unprepared for their new reality. It was easy to take advantage of them. It took another 100 years for the Civil Rights act to finally start to change things but only in a superficial way.

I can tell you that a LOT of people care about the past. My Grandmother who is 94 is still alive and my other Grandmother is also still alive. All my older relatives most definitely care about the past. Things are still very much the same even with all the progress that has been made. The mass racial violence is less than the days the Klan was openly lynching people, but the system is still not fair or equal. Plus so much damage has already been done since hundreds of years of oppression has practically destroyed the many minorities and poor in this country. Hundreds of years of uneducated people giving birth to children and not being able to teach them how to succeed in life has a huge impact. Redlining minorities into ghettos or poor neighborhoods with bad schools adds to the problem.

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arkrud If you are saying that labels are part of a divide and conquer technique by the rich and powerful, you make a good point.

I think you feign ignorance for rhetorical purposes and arguments sake. But if I follow your argument about what is race, what is a family? Where does one family end and another begin? Why separate humans into different families and just recognize us as one family?

Do you answer these questions philosophically, politically, historically, or pragmatically. Or...?

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DrAlphaeus wrote:arkrud If you are saying that labels are part of a divide and conquer technique by the rich and powerful, you make a good point.

I think you feign ignorance for rhetorical purposes and arguments sake. But if I follow your argument about what is race, what is a family? Where does one family end and another begin? Why separate humans into different families and just recognize us as one family?

Do you answer these questions philosophically, politically, historically, or pragmatically. Or...?

Divide and Conquer is time tested. It's an old trick that has been working for a long, long time. However, it's not the only problem the poor and minorities face. The divide and conquer technique is one thing but there are other institutional traps that have been used to keep the rich in power and well financed. It's not just a simple thing at this point it's been developed and perfected over hundreds of years. They've got so many traps and snares in place and so many plans being implemented that the poor have no chance to overcome all of them. We can only pick at one or two things that are most obvious and low level.

The rich and powerful have have the law and law makers on their side and they're making the rules. They did a great job of rigging things so the money flows up and stays there.

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arkrud wrote:Also I have a simple question - why people in US have to label themselves with some ethnic group?
Why they cannot be just American ethnicity and be treated by all laws and regulations as such?
I am 20 years in US and this is the biggest mystery I still cannot understand.
To me there are only Humans from Earth and aliens from Space (who supposed to be green spiders).

If the distribution of wealth was close to even among all races that would be more plausible. But eliminating ethnic groups also would be dangerous as it could be an avenue to hide oppression.

Whites have had a major head start in acquiring and controlling wealth in America and a lot of that was off the backs of others. How do African Americans start to generate some type of wealth for themselves? By doing things like having our own league. This is all hypothetical though.

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simrud wrote:My personal opinion is sure go for it. If African Americans would like to have their own pro league just do it. And that goes for everything - if you want to be like Jews just do your thing and stop worrying about what others think unless they are actively opposing your plans - then deal with it through internal unity.

Wow. First off this post should not have been bumped--it was what it was at the time-- a really poor statement by LJ When I see posts that validate what LJ said I have to shake my head. What he said was wrong--its completely divisive and highly obtuse.

How about focus on the National debt better and more affordable education health care fixing the US infrastructure and make the 15mm illegal immigrants and their employers pay some pretty big fines and their fair share in taxes. Worry about white collar crime and drugs. But the divisive sht is boring and has to end.

Not that its realistic. But don't see the big deal if hypothetically African Americans did start there own league. Unless they refused to allow any other races from playing or watching. The only real difference would be the owners and possibly the networks that distributed the program.

I dont get this--this is a contradiction at best?

I'm saying the only difference in a black owned league would be the black owners and probably the networks. Wouldn't be legal to exclude other races from participating.

And the only way it would be possible is if black million-billionaires pooled money together started building arenas and formed there own league. Then star NBA players decide to leave the NBA to join the new league that has majority black owners.

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