I agree with TFK and DK about some things, I would even admit I don't like certain things about Melo's character, but I do think Melo is very talented and is better than Lin
Although Lin makes others around him better and his abilities allow his team mates to play a better fit at times
In the end, you need both pieces, actually even more, in order to contend

I have said in the past, I hold Woodson more responsible than Melo, because he allows things to happen
Even the roster itself was divided, never mind the fans

While Lin showed he was a big part of our future and could have been a piece to the puzzle
Instead of trying to find a balance between the two, Woodson took sides and favored Melo, but in reality we needed a PG (or player) that could penetrate/finish/facilitate and constantly push the tempo

Some players are leaders, some are great defenders on top of scorers, and some are facilitators, some are all of the above
Melo is talented but he needs a PG to say NO to him, that was why Billups has much more success with him though he was starting to decline in Denver already

Papabear wrote:

dk7th wrote:

Papabear wrote:

Dagger wrote:

dk7th wrote:

foosballnick wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

foosballnick wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

Swishfm3 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

Swishfm3 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:He has much more than that. Lots of people jumped to his defense within minutes in the other thread. I'd take not fitting in at realgm as a badge of honor. He's obviously lasted 13 years here.
Sucks to be him? Doesn't suck to be any Knicks fan?!

Here you go again!! Seriously dude, what kind of relationship do you guys have?? You talk about Tkf and DK7 getting picked on but it seems like you three are the bullies around here since you all are so quick to triple team any member that disagree's with whatever you say!

I normally don't care but this is in every gotdamn thread...get off each other nuts already.

A more reasonable question might be why do Fish and a few others post several dozen messages a day hating them? I'm starting to find it odd that you care so much about my posting too though.

I care because I am forced to read the same non-sense in every thread and the majority of the argument is being initiated by you and DK7.

Eventually, Fish, Jrod and TKF will tire themselves out but you two always seem to jump in keep the fire burning. I honestly can't believe you guys haven't been banned yet.

Anyway, I'm going back in lurk mode. good luck

Sounds like you just don't want a discussion. DK and I keep it to basketball. The others have been doing name-calling. I wouldn't say they deserve a ban - maybe a warning but that's not my call. You must be upset and not serious about that. A ban without even a warning? I think that only goes to people who make terrible racist or other terrible comments and don't apologize.

Perhaps you didn't read DK's racist rant about Melo's Puerto Rican genetics. Or maybe you just agree with him. I dont know how you consider that just keeping it to basketball. Or his psychological fangs about Melo's narcisism, basketball talk?

I don't know the post. Yellowboy mentioned something about that but I couldn't find it.
I'd have to see what you're talking about.

The DK Quote was as follows.....

i think i know the one but looks can be deceiving. he is not genetically gifted the way that jordan, garnett, payton, miner etc. were but all that means is that he should be working much harder to achieve that level. if he did he would have the quickness necessary to play on both sides of the ball at the small forward position. people like to tout that he is a matchup nightmare on offense but he remains a liability on defense and this will dog him. people like to say that he needs to conserve energy but i call bull**** on that. he's part puerto rican, right? i played football, baseball, and basketball with plenty of borinquenos in my day in new york. most of them had conditioning issues in spite of their athletic skills. native new yorkers know exactly what i am talking about. in baseball you can get away with it but not basketball.

so lets be clear you are posting this because by posting this you assert that this is a racist statement?

if yes, tell me something: are you a native new yorker born and raised or are you an outsider like crushalot?

if you are new york born and raised have you played all the major sports on some level in new york city? grade school, high school, college, playgrounds, ymca, etc etc

just curious, because my statement is based on my personal experience and backed up by epidemiological studies related to obesity rates and diabetes rates in the city.

looking forward to a fruitful chat now that melo has catalyzed the downfall of his own era.

Yup, this is definitely keeping the discussion to basketball, 100%. I suggest you stop before you expose yourself further. I can tolerate your dislike for melo, not a big fan either, but when you start bringing the discussion to a racial level it's time to stop and consider what you're writing. Crushalot is an outsider, okay what are you suggesting? And why can't someone of puerto rican descent be a native new yorker, surely many puerto ricans have been "born and raised" in the city, the same as any other "native new yorkers". The sad thing is you are using this ridiculous racially-charged argument to suggest that melo is out of shape, which is utterly ridiculous. As I've said before I'm sure he's in better shape than 99% of the people posting here. Who are you to call a professional athlete that plays 40+ minutes a night fat?

Papabear Says

This is the same analogy white racists and the KKK used against black people. We were called lazy, couldn't play sports, couldn't read, genetically almost a monkey. Dagger and Crush this really paint a picture who dk7 really is.The man has a dark side that is very scary. His grammar is excellent and he articulates like a college professor but so did the racists who held us back for years and they still are. I never new the man could stoop that low. His hate is beyond basketball and for anyone to defend him have a problem. I'm very surprised Martin didn't address this. Maybe he didn't see it because if he did he would address it.

Papabear Says

The sad part is that he feels too proud to just come out and say I'm sorry I made a mistake in using racist statements regarding Carmelo Anthony because he is part PR. I should have kept it basketball.

LMAO@U and all over this FUCKING knick team.

Papabear Says

He refuse to Apologize for making racial statements regarding Carmelo Anthony and his PR heritage. Every PR should take offense to dk7 racial slurs. This man is going crazy. Fancy words but a racist heart. That's really who he is. APOLOGIZE FOR WHAT YOU SAID ABOUT CARMELO ANTHONY.

wow, accusing people of racism is pretty strong.. Not sure where I see any of that in Dk's post....

dk7th wrote:

Papabear wrote:

dk7th wrote:

Papabear wrote:

Dagger wrote:

dk7th wrote:

foosballnick wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

foosballnick wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

Swishfm3 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

Swishfm3 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:He has much more than that. Lots of people jumped to his defense within minutes in the other thread. I'd take not fitting in at realgm as a badge of honor. He's obviously lasted 13 years here.
Sucks to be him? Doesn't suck to be any Knicks fan?!

Here you go again!! Seriously dude, what kind of relationship do you guys have?? You talk about Tkf and DK7 getting picked on but it seems like you three are the bullies around here since you all are so quick to triple team any member that disagree's with whatever you say!

I normally don't care but this is in every gotdamn thread...get off each other nuts already.

A more reasonable question might be why do Fish and a few others post several dozen messages a day hating them? I'm starting to find it odd that you care so much about my posting too though.

I care because I am forced to read the same non-sense in every thread and the majority of the argument is being initiated by you and DK7.

Eventually, Fish, Jrod and TKF will tire themselves out but you two always seem to jump in keep the fire burning. I honestly can't believe you guys haven't been banned yet.

Anyway, I'm going back in lurk mode. good luck

Sounds like you just don't want a discussion. DK and I keep it to basketball. The others have been doing name-calling. I wouldn't say they deserve a ban - maybe a warning but that's not my call. You must be upset and not serious about that. A ban without even a warning? I think that only goes to people who make terrible racist or other terrible comments and don't apologize.

Perhaps you didn't read DK's racist rant about Melo's Puerto Rican genetics. Or maybe you just agree with him. I dont know how you consider that just keeping it to basketball. Or his psychological fangs about Melo's narcisism, basketball talk?

I don't know the post. Yellowboy mentioned something about that but I couldn't find it.
I'd have to see what you're talking about.

The DK Quote was as follows.....

i think i know the one but looks can be deceiving. he is not genetically gifted the way that jordan, garnett, payton, miner etc. were but all that means is that he should be working much harder to achieve that level. if he did he would have the quickness necessary to play on both sides of the ball at the small forward position. people like to tout that he is a matchup nightmare on offense but he remains a liability on defense and this will dog him. people like to say that he needs to conserve energy but i call bull**** on that. he's part puerto rican, right? i played football, baseball, and basketball with plenty of borinquenos in my day in new york. most of them had conditioning issues in spite of their athletic skills. native new yorkers know exactly what i am talking about. in baseball you can get away with it but not basketball.

so lets be clear you are posting this because by posting this you assert that this is a racist statement?

if yes, tell me something: are you a native new yorker born and raised or are you an outsider like crushalot?

if you are new york born and raised have you played all the major sports on some level in new york city? grade school, high school, college, playgrounds, ymca, etc etc

just curious, because my statement is based on my personal experience and backed up by epidemiological studies related to obesity rates and diabetes rates in the city.

looking forward to a fruitful chat now that melo has catalyzed the downfall of his own era.

Yup, this is definitely keeping the discussion to basketball, 100%. I suggest you stop before you expose yourself further. I can tolerate your dislike for melo, not a big fan either, but when you start bringing the discussion to a racial level it's time to stop and consider what you're writing. Crushalot is an outsider, okay what are you suggesting? And why can't someone of puerto rican descent be a native new yorker, surely many puerto ricans have been "born and raised" in the city, the same as any other "native new yorkers". The sad thing is you are using this ridiculous racially-charged argument to suggest that melo is out of shape, which is utterly ridiculous. As I've said before I'm sure he's in better shape than 99% of the people posting here. Who are you to call a professional athlete that plays 40+ minutes a night fat?

Papabear Says

This is the same analogy white racists and the KKK used against black people. We were called lazy, couldn't play sports, couldn't read, genetically almost a monkey. Dagger and Crush this really paint a picture who dk7 really is.The man has a dark side that is very scary. His grammar is excellent and he articulates like a college professor but so did the racists who held us back for years and they still are. I never new the man could stoop that low. His hate is beyond basketball and for anyone to defend him have a problem. I'm very surprised Martin didn't address this. Maybe he didn't see it because if he did he would address it.

Papabear Says

The sad part is that he feels too proud to just come out and say I'm sorry I made a mistake in using racist statements regarding Carmelo Anthony because he is part PR. I should have kept it basketball.

LMAO@U and all over this FUCKING knick team.

Papabear Says

He refuse to Apologize for making racial statements regarding Carmelo Anthony and his PR heritage. Every PR should take offense to dk7 racial slurs. This man is going crazy. Fancy words but a racist heart. That's really who he is. APOLOGIZE FOR WHAT YOU SAID ABOUT CARMELO ANTHONY.

i apologize

Didn't see any sarcasm smilies, so I'm guessing this was a legit apology.

dktf, I salute you.