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holfresh wrote:

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misterearl wrote:Bootleg Alert

dk7th. - carmelo is frightened of doing hard work on the defensive end. it's unimaginable that he will not balk having to work under thibs.

Interesting

So you think the NBA leader in minutes played, responsibility accepted and most pressure for winning to be a recalcitrant issue for a former Knicks assistant coach?

Why?

he has a penchant of conserving his energy on the uphill side of the court so he can slalom on the downhill side. if that were not the case he would demand the privilege of guarding the opposing teams best wing player. but most of the time he doesn't, won't or probably just can't. he is overpowered by legit pfs and too slow to stay in front of sfs and fight over the picks. these are facts.

thibs will not kowtow to anthony. anthony knows that. chicago front office knows that and you better believe paxson has thibs back over there in spite of shedding deng. no way in hell melo goes to chicago. bad fit, especially with rose. in fact melo at this point is a bad fit no matter where he goes. the league has figured this out.

that is a fact. good news: even if he demands a trade from here there will be no takers, which means the knick front office can dictate terms to him. 12-13 million a year will be fair.

I guarantee one thing, Melo plays a lot harder than the guy you are all broken up about being traded..

yeah i don't see it that way. one thing i liked about gallinari is that he asked his coaches that he be allowed to guard the hardest assignments. admirable and he was effective.

melo? nope. narcissism means you want to hide your deficiencies so people can't figure out how close to a zero-sum player you really are. that's why melo shirks the tough assignments-- he doesn't like being exposed. he is not worth more than 12-13 million a year.

for the record it is not about who was traded for melo at this point, it's about what kind of maneuverability the knicks have as they continue along this ludicrous win-now with melo track. hint: they have none.

you happy about that?

The guy u are fawning over pulls 5 boards a game at 6'10" and u call Melo lazy...As for guarding the best player, it is silly for Melo to guard the best player, you want to keep him fresh for the entire game ..Gallo is of no consequence ..Bron doesn't guard Melo, have u noticed that??..Is he a bum too??

were you actually expecting these donkees to hold their heros to the same standards they hold Melo to??? You aint seen nothing yet! When Gallo gets healthy in 2018 he's going tear it up and average 6 rebs a game and then you will see!!!

+1
We're on Maneuvers!

Gallo will lead the league in MANEUVERABILITY!!!
Ever notice how the sombers start arguing in circles when things start going slightly well again? Now the record isn't what we traded away for Melo (after four years of posting what a great franchise Denver is and will become and is maneuvered into being) it's that our stupidly run franchise has no maneuverability! Imagine, a franchise having win-now ludicrousness in NYC!!! And with one of the most prolific scorers the franchise has ever had!!!

Oh the humanity!!!

18-27 doesn't look like win-now to me. what does it look like to you?

It looks better than a Rooster on permanent IR.
It looks like 1/2 game out of the playoffs. Remember 1999?
It looks better with each win.

I know it can never look like anything but a constantly half-empty powder blue and yellow urine cup to you.

enuf chitchat. lets get to the bottom line: how much should melo be paid?

i say 12-13 million. what do you say?

of course you say that. There is zero, zilch basis or reality behind your 12mm a year. Its stupid for anyone who follows the NBA to even address that statement. Your saying Melo isnt a max player? By every definition he is. Who in the NBA takes less? Lebron? Bosh? Is Bosh making $12mm? No. He makes $20mm. Mr. I took less to help the heat. Thats TWENTY million a year for guy whos half the player Melo is. Not market value. Not reality based = stupid post.

he is not a franchise player therefore not a max player. you cannot build around him because he has too many holes. bosh is overpaid but then if you look how miami is assembled they have a very sixer/iverson era roster outside the big three in terms of defenders-- but they sacrifice rebounding. but it is hard to not notice the cheap contracts after the big 3.

1 Chris Bosh $19,067,500
2 LeBron James $19,067,500
3 Dwyane Wade $18,673,000
4 Udonis Haslem $4,340,000
5 Mario Chalmers $4,000,000
6 Joel Anthony $3,800,000
7 Shane Battier $3,270,000
8 Ray Allen $3,229,050
9 Rashard Lewis $1,399,507
10 Chris Andersen $1,399,507
11 Norris Cole $1,129,200
12 Greg Oden $1,027,424
13 Michael Beasley $1,027,424
14 Jarvis Varnado $788,872

given the knicks' situation it is insanity to pay carmelo anthony a penny more than 13 million. and make no mistake, carmelo himself was instrumental in creating the situation he finds himself in. so it is incumbent upon him to lay a major role in improving the situation.

people like holfresh like to blame walsh and d'antoni and stoudemire for this situation. perhaps melo feels the same way. but asking to be paid 20 million is cutting off ones nose to spite ones face.

acually your wrong. You can build around Melo. Thats why despite never having a consistent second star to play with his teams ALWAYS WIN. Do you understand what that means? That Melo has played with a revolving door off supporting casts and coaches over his 12 years in the NBA but one thing has been constant.. his teams NEVER HAVE A LOSING SEASON.

So.. once again your simply wrong.

My favorite is when you say stuff like Melo and coach Thibs woulnt work because Melo isnt a 2 way player, but you clearly havent followed or watched that team over the years and your clearly not familiar with a player named Derrick Rose, who won an MVP with never having played much defense. Know why? Because teams like to keep their scorers fresh. Keep sticking around fella, you might learn something

I doubt he's impressed with 1st round appearances. I long for the 90s - when first round finishes were considered disasters here.

yes i have been repeating this for weeks on end now: in a bloated league with too many teams there will be a dilution of talent. and with the playoff format allowing in more than half the teams it only rewards mediocrity. and when you can't get out of the first round it confirms mediocrity. that is what melo's career has been-- mediocre. he has never improved so the results remain the same year in year out. that is why it is crucial that he realize his actual worth to a winning cause. he has been vastly overpaid here.

You are a piece of work....I showed you why Melo's teams lost in the first round year after year (because they were usually the lower seed losing to the Spurs and Lakers), and you switch the argument and trash Melo for not dragging Rueben Patterson and Greg Buckner to a better reg season record.

I showed you that the west was very good most of Melo's run with the Nuggs (Mavs, Suns, Rockets, Lakers, Spurs) and yet you ignore that, and continue to rehash the same rhetoric....

i don't like rhetoric or sophistry. i am all for having an honest dialogue, which requires honest answers to simple questions. most of the time i get <crickets> when i ask such questions. maybe you will be different.

1) who is the superior player, garnett or anthony? i mean when they were with their respective clubs
2) who had the better rosters to work with over their respective times on their former teams

I don't like send closk 2.0. It's fugly.

Uncle Drew in The Garden? Be still my heart. #pocketpass

dk7th wrote
i don't like rhetoric or sophistry. i am all for having an honest dialogue, which requires honest answers to simple questions. most of the time i get <crickets> when i ask such questions. maybe you will be different.
1) who is the superior player, garnett or anthony? i mean when they were with their respective clubs
2) who had the better rosters to work with over their respective times on their former teams

1) Garnett, in his prime, was the better all around player than Melo.
2) Both had **** rosters to work with, neither having a legit shot in Hell to get out of the loaded west. The one year Garnett had a legit roster with Spree and Cassell they advanced deep into the playoffs. The one year Melo had Billups, he also advanced to the WCF. So in essence, give both of them a fighting chance and both have proven that they can win big in this league.

Speaking of crickets, I asked you a question months ago and you vanished from the thread. Since I answered yours, I expect you to answer mine. Question: When you were on Realgm, didn't you say that you would never post on that site again if Melo becomes a Knick?

dk7th wrote:

Uptown wrote:

dk7th wrote
i don't like rhetoric or sophistry. i am all for having an honest dialogue, which requires honest answers to simple questions. most of the time i get <crickets> when i ask such questions. maybe you will be different.
1) who is the superior player, garnett or anthony? i mean when they were with their respective clubs
2) who had the better rosters to work with over their respective times on their former teams

1) Garnett, in his prime, was the better all around player than Melo.
2) Both had **** rosters to work with, neither having a legit shot in Hell to get out of the loaded west. The one year Garnett had a legit roster with Spree and Cassell they advanced deep into the playoffs. The one year Melo had Billups, he also advanced to the WCF. So in essence, give both of them a fighting chance and both have proven that they can win big in this league.

Speaking of crickets, I asked you a question months ago and you vanished from the thread. Since I answered yours, I expect you to answer mine. Question: When you were on Realgm, didn't you say that you would never post on that site again if Melo becomes a Knick?

i said i would never post again there, yes. my words were actually quoted by one of the higer buttholes there, godshamgod. i said "this deal goes down this is my final post" or something like that. and then i proceeded to post anyway. probably should have kept that promise since i eventually was banned. not that i miss being there. most of the good posters get shouted down over there. the forum mods are generally lousy (except for tkf who was great) and the "global mods" are absolutely the worst-- moocow especially likes gargling melo's balls. a real lowlife that guy was. another douche was kane. there are two kanes but one of them was like a cellblock kingpin.

I do not post there, but do view the forum from time to time. A follow up question to you would be, why say you would never post there if Melo joins the Knicks? This statement implies that you are more concerned about the names on the back of the jersey as opposed to the name on the front. I was never a big Melo fan when he was in Denver, but the moment he put on the blue and orange, I ride with him because he's apart of the home team.

(except for tkf who was great)

This made me LOL.......

dk7th wrote:

Uptown wrote:

dk7th wrote
i don't like rhetoric or sophistry. i am all for having an honest dialogue, which requires honest answers to simple questions. most of the time i get <crickets> when i ask such questions. maybe you will be different.
1) who is the superior player, garnett or anthony? i mean when they were with their respective clubs
2) who had the better rosters to work with over their respective times on their former teams

1) Garnett, in his prime, was the better all around player than Melo.
2) Both had **** rosters to work with, neither having a legit shot in Hell to get out of the loaded west. The one year Garnett had a legit roster with Spree and Cassell they advanced deep into the playoffs. The one year Melo had Billups, he also advanced to the WCF. So in essence, give both of them a fighting chance and both have proven that they can win big in this league.

Speaking of crickets, I asked you a question months ago and you vanished from the thread. Since I answered yours, I expect you to answer mine. Question: When you were on Realgm, didn't you say that you would never post on that site again if Melo becomes a Knick?

i said i would never post again there, yes. my words were actually quoted by one of the higer buttholes there, godshamgod. i said "this deal goes down this is my final post" or something like that. and then i proceeded to post anyway. probably should have kept that promise since i eventually was banned. not that i miss being there. most of the good posters get shouted down over there. the forum mods are generally lousy (except for tkf who was great) and the "global mods" are absolutely the worst-- moocow especially likes gargling melo's balls. a real lowlife that guy was. another douche was kane. there are two kanes but one of them was like a cellblock kingpin.

Edit:

so far as tkf is concerned, he was a mainstay on realgm. awesome postgame threads, called "tkf's keys to the game." his posts led to great threads. it's a shame that his insights and genuine expertise were squandered on those who prefer to sniff melo's jock than actually ponder what is best for the knicks if winning titles is the ultimate goal.

TeamBall wrote:

dk7th wrote:

Uptown wrote:

dk7th wrote
i don't like rhetoric or sophistry. i am all for having an honest dialogue, which requires honest answers to simple questions. most of the time i get <crickets> when i ask such questions. maybe you will be different.
1) who is the superior player, garnett or anthony? i mean when they were with their respective clubs
2) who had the better rosters to work with over their respective times on their former teams

1) Garnett, in his prime, was the better all around player than Melo.
2) Both had **** rosters to work with, neither having a legit shot in Hell to get out of the loaded west. The one year Garnett had a legit roster with Spree and Cassell they advanced deep into the playoffs. The one year Melo had Billups, he also advanced to the WCF. So in essence, give both of them a fighting chance and both have proven that they can win big in this league.

Speaking of crickets, I asked you a question months ago and you vanished from the thread. Since I answered yours, I expect you to answer mine. Question: When you were on Realgm, didn't you say that you would never post on that site again if Melo becomes a Knick?

i said i would never post again there, yes. my words were actually quoted by one of the higer buttholes there, godshamgod. i said "this deal goes down this is my final post" or something like that. and then i proceeded to post anyway. probably should have kept that promise since i eventually was banned. not that i miss being there. most of the good posters get shouted down over there. the forum mods are generally lousy (except for tkf who was great) and the "global mods" are absolutely the worst-- moocow especially likes gargling melo's balls. a real lowlife that guy was. another douche was kane. there are two kanes but one of them was like a cellblock kingpin.

My brother posts there actually and has for a VERY long time. His recollection of the whole thing is a little different but I will say he doesn't care for some of those guys either.

Edit:

so far as tkf is concerned, he was a mainstay on realgm. awesome postgame threads, called "tkf's keys to the game." his posts led to great threads. it's a shame that his insights and genuine expertise were squandered on those who prefer to sniff melo's jock than actually ponder what is best for the knicks if winning titles is the ultimate goal.

Sorry, that's the instance where his recollection is a little different.

i don't see how that can be. prior to the melo trade things became animated but never vehement and vitriolic. then the trade happened and things began to descend into chaos. to me the biggest problem was moocow. he was powermad and could not stomach people criticizing melo and the trade.

dk7th wrote:

TeamBall wrote:

dk7th wrote:

Uptown wrote:

dk7th wrote
i don't like rhetoric or sophistry. i am all for having an honest dialogue, which requires honest answers to simple questions. most of the time i get <crickets> when i ask such questions. maybe you will be different.
1) who is the superior player, garnett or anthony? i mean when they were with their respective clubs
2) who had the better rosters to work with over their respective times on their former teams

1) Garnett, in his prime, was the better all around player than Melo.
2) Both had **** rosters to work with, neither having a legit shot in Hell to get out of the loaded west. The one year Garnett had a legit roster with Spree and Cassell they advanced deep into the playoffs. The one year Melo had Billups, he also advanced to the WCF. So in essence, give both of them a fighting chance and both have proven that they can win big in this league.

Speaking of crickets, I asked you a question months ago and you vanished from the thread. Since I answered yours, I expect you to answer mine. Question: When you were on Realgm, didn't you say that you would never post on that site again if Melo becomes a Knick?

i said i would never post again there, yes. my words were actually quoted by one of the higer buttholes there, godshamgod. i said "this deal goes down this is my final post" or something like that. and then i proceeded to post anyway. probably should have kept that promise since i eventually was banned. not that i miss being there. most of the good posters get shouted down over there. the forum mods are generally lousy (except for tkf who was great) and the "global mods" are absolutely the worst-- moocow especially likes gargling melo's balls. a real lowlife that guy was. another douche was kane. there are two kanes but one of them was like a cellblock kingpin.

My brother posts there actually and has for a VERY long time. His recollection of the whole thing is a little different but I will say he doesn't care for some of those guys either.

Edit:

so far as tkf is concerned, he was a mainstay on realgm. awesome postgame threads, called "tkf's keys to the game." his posts led to great threads. it's a shame that his insights and genuine expertise were squandered on those who prefer to sniff melo's jock than actually ponder what is best for the knicks if winning titles is the ultimate goal.

Sorry, that's the instance where his recollection is a little different.

i don't see how that can be. prior to the melo trade things became animated but never vehement and vitriolic. then the trade happened and things began to descend into chaos. to me the biggest problem was moocow. he was powermad and could not stomach people criticizing melo and the trade.

Does "Moocow" haunt your dreams? Lmao you talk about this stuff so seriously, it's just an Internet forum.

fishmike wrote:

Marcala12 wrote:it's like the Melo haters feel obliged to go at it 200% when Melo is playing his best basketball.

Who cares if prime Garnett was slightly better than Melo? That being the case certainly isn't a knock on Melo.

yea... here's some perspective. Your a poster on sports forum who hates your teams best player and have spent the last couple of years dogging him to anyone that will listen all over the internet, and after in pouring word after word you might *just* have convinced someone on the internet that Melo might be a slight notch below a guy whos been MVP and is a first ballot HOF player.

Yea... good job DK-TFK... keep fighting the good fight

Hey, fish, leave tkf's little brother alone.

And have you noticed how Somberly quiet it gets in here when some douchebag cancer franchise record holding selfish smiling doesn't make anyone better Knick has a few nights shooting 50% from the field?