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Bonn1997 wrote:

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tkf wrote:

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Dagger wrote:

ApophisADL wrote:Lol. Then Melo will change his mind 24 hours later.

Only way I trade Melo is for Griffin.

Chandler and Memo
For
Jordan and Griffin plus trash

That's a bad trade. I don't know what yall see in Jordan he sucks, I want nothing to do with him. Griffin is also a very flawed star if you can even call him that.

NO THANK YOU

+1 Dagger.

All this talk about Melo not making players better is true, that's the biggest flaw in his game, but the same crew that has been dreaming about the day Melo leaves also want to bring Griffin here? That's ****ing insane. Can't create his own shot like Melo, doesn't make players better either, but after years of Melo this and Melo that, Blake Griffin? Are you kidding me?

If Melo wants to leave, fine, but we need a quality PG first and foremost, and a big with whatever is left.

Blake griffin is a better player.. no way in hell do the clippers even consider such a deal.. the end..

Yeah, he's definitely better. I'd love the trade because it's an upgrade, not because Blake is a franchise player. He's more of a 2 or even 2b, and I'm not crazy about using that much salary on him but you'd have to do this upgrade.

yea, Blake is at 16-17 mil now, and 20 mil in his final year, would like to have him more around the 14-15 mil as he is a great core player to have, but not a franchise player in the mold of lebron, durant, etc... He is a fantastic player tho, and would be an upgrade for us in such a deal.. if the clippers were crazy enough to do it, I would jump all over that...

Please explain how he is better without pulling some numbers from where the sun don't shine.

If he can't give #s, then what kind of evidence are you looking for. You have to ask a more concrete question first.

If you went to a Clippers game and had no idea who he was or what his numbers were, what is it about Griffin that leads you to believe that he is a better player than Melo?

Based on their career records and assuming I saw a large sample of games, I'd probably notice that's he's putting up a lot of points at a better shooting rate, passing the ball better than Melo does, and rebounding better than Melo does.

I know you said no numbers, and I didn't give any above, but just thinking about this for a second:
Blake's average game is 8.6 shots made on 15.8 attempts. Melo's is 9.4 on 22.2 shots. Melo's taking 6 1/2 more shots and not even making 1 more a game.

I'm talking about the eye test, as NardDog put it. Since I couldn't get a straight answer, I see a player who is too passive at times, who isn't a good defender in spite of his freakish athleticism, who doesn't make players better, who isn't as polished offensively, who cant post up like Melo, can play multiple positions like Melo.

This is the last player I would have guessed that either of you would have wanted in exchange for Melo considering that they have some of the same flaws and Griffin has some flaws that Melo doesn't have. Efficiency alone doesn't make a player better.

passive? come on man that is BS.. he plays within the framework of that offense? doesn't make people better? ask Dudley how much he loves coming off those Griffin Screens for open shots.. Blake is good finding the open man, he does it a lot.. guy is a Brahma Bull... but yet he is some finesse... damn good player and still improving.... needs to develop a jump hook, but right now not bad at all.

and stop with melo posting up. that is such BS. Blake can't post up? are you kidding me? caremelo has no post game at all. He post up to receive the ball because he doesn't like to move and work for it.. carmelo has no moves or shots with his back to the basket.. he post up, gets the ball and turns around.. pretty much what any player in this league can and has done at some point.. Jeez you guys with these melo myths!!!!!!!!!

can play multiple positions like Melo.

I give up... smdh

Smart move since his own teammates have called him out for being too passive. Never said he can't post up, I said he can't post up like Melo, not that he can't post up at all. Since Melo is playing PF for the most part, we don't see him shooting off the dribble as much, you going to tell me he can't do that now?. He isn't a better passer than Melo, neither one is stellar.

A lot of people here give more weight to the eye test than to stats but that doesn't seem to be what you want. You seem to want a blind eye test - a test that does everything possible to ignore every available stat.

As I've told you more than once, stats have their place in a discussion, but if you are going to factor in stats you also have to factor in who they are playing with.

Well what place do they have then? What stats are you taking into account?

If I never had never heard of a player, I would want to know their numbers were. But I would also want to see what kind of skills they have, the quality of his teammates, how he is being utilized, what he is and isn't doing on the floor. If it was only about the numbers we would have an app making trades, which considering who is the GM now might not be a bad idea.

ok, carmelo on two occasions has played with DPOY, in camby and tyson. He has played with 6th man of the year and a HOF player.. so throw that BS excuse out.

His skills? he is an efficient score who doesn't defend or pass, and is getting ripped by role players for being lazy and not defending..

Should I continue?

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gunsnewing wrote:Blake averages 3assists as a legit PF. Melo 1

Melo on the Clippers would work because Paul is already there. It won't be all about Melo as it is here. 3-13

I don't know. They'd have very tough competition in the west. I think Paul would want to kill Melo half way into the season.

Disagree. Melo pounds it all day but playing alongside a PG that demands alot of his team, controls the offense, is the unquestioned leader and gets guys uncontested shots would benefit him immensely.

He'd have alot less pressure and actually trust Paul, which seems to be an issue as many execs have pointed out. He doesn't make guys around better and never has, which is why he will never be on a LeBron, Durant, Paul level.

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tkf wrote:

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Bonn1997 wrote:

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Dagger wrote:

ApophisADL wrote:Lol. Then Melo will change his mind 24 hours later.

Only way I trade Melo is for Griffin.

Chandler and Memo
For
Jordan and Griffin plus trash

That's a bad trade. I don't know what yall see in Jordan he sucks, I want nothing to do with him. Griffin is also a very flawed star if you can even call him that.

NO THANK YOU

+1 Dagger.

All this talk about Melo not making players better is true, that's the biggest flaw in his game, but the same crew that has been dreaming about the day Melo leaves also want to bring Griffin here? That's ****ing insane. Can't create his own shot like Melo, doesn't make players better either, but after years of Melo this and Melo that, Blake Griffin? Are you kidding me?

If Melo wants to leave, fine, but we need a quality PG first and foremost, and a big with whatever is left.

Blake griffin is a better player.. no way in hell do the clippers even consider such a deal.. the end..

Yeah, he's definitely better. I'd love the trade because it's an upgrade, not because Blake is a franchise player. He's more of a 2 or even 2b, and I'm not crazy about using that much salary on him but you'd have to do this upgrade.

yea, Blake is at 16-17 mil now, and 20 mil in his final year, would like to have him more around the 14-15 mil as he is a great core player to have, but not a franchise player in the mold of lebron, durant, etc... He is a fantastic player tho, and would be an upgrade for us in such a deal.. if the clippers were crazy enough to do it, I would jump all over that...

Please explain how he is better without pulling some numbers from where the sun don't shine.

If he can't give #s, then what kind of evidence are you looking for. You have to ask a more concrete question first.

If you went to a Clippers game and had no idea who he was or what his numbers were, what is it about Griffin that leads you to believe that he is a better player than Melo?

Based on their career records and assuming I saw a large sample of games, I'd probably notice that's he's putting up a lot of points at a better shooting rate, passing the ball better than Melo does, and rebounding better than Melo does.

I know you said no numbers, and I didn't give any above, but just thinking about this for a second:
Blake's average game is 8.6 shots made on 15.8 attempts. Melo's is 9.4 on 22.2 shots. Melo's taking 6 1/2 more shots and not even making 1 more a game.

I'm talking about the eye test, as NardDog put it. Since I couldn't get a straight answer, I see a player who is too passive at times, who isn't a good defender in spite of his freakish athleticism, who doesn't make players better, who isn't as polished offensively, who cant post up like Melo, can play multiple positions like Melo.

This is the last player I would have guessed that either of you would have wanted in exchange for Melo considering that they have some of the same flaws and Griffin has some flaws that Melo doesn't have. Efficiency alone doesn't make a player better.

passive? come on man that is BS.. he plays within the framework of that offense? doesn't make people better? ask Dudley how much he loves coming off those Griffin Screens for open shots.. Blake is good finding the open man, he does it a lot.. guy is a Brahma Bull... but yet he is some finesse... damn good player and still improving.... needs to develop a jump hook, but right now not bad at all.

and stop with melo posting up. that is such BS. Blake can't post up? are you kidding me? caremelo has no post game at all. He post up to receive the ball because he doesn't like to move and work for it.. carmelo has no moves or shots with his back to the basket.. he post up, gets the ball and turns around.. pretty much what any player in this league can and has done at some point.. Jeez you guys with these melo myths!!!!!!!!!

can play multiple positions like Melo.

I give up... smdh

Smart move since his own teammates have called him out for being too passive. Never said he can't post up, I said he can't post up like Melo, not that he can't post up at all. Since Melo is playing PF for the most part, we don't see him shooting off the dribble as much, you going to tell me he can't do that now?. He isn't a better passer than Melo, neither one is stellar.

no, smart move because you have no clue wht you are talking about.. carmelo is a loser.. plain and simple... you are using the "passive" argument to knock blake, it is a flat out admission that you really can't defend your point.. we can use the eye test, stats, and team record to prove my point, or even defend my argument. You have neither, so now you want to use "passive" please don't insult me with that drivel.. really it is weak..

case closed..

More like door slammed in a huff lol. The first thing I said in this thread was that Melo doesn't make players better but neither does Griffin, also have brought up hero ball many times so spare me the fanboy accusations. You can't even bring yourself to admit when Melo is playing well, blinders anyone?

All this Melo trade PTSD and you have the cojones to cream over Blake fing Griffin? LMAO

nah, that doesn't work bro. i already stated how blake makes others and the team better, working within the framework of the team.. if you can't get that, then I am sorry there is just no hope..

now is when I slam the door, and in a huff because i have low tolerance for ignorance...

Rofl

lol

haha

smh

Nalod wrote:Griffin not as savior, but as an asset to play, or trade fodder for other player(s) or pick.

Better than nothing!!!

He'll resign with the Clipppers and they will be better.

Bonn, I think waiting three years to start the rebuild is not gonna happen. The business model won't permit it. Dolan won't permit it and I doubt fans who are freaking out (with cause) after 16 games won't permit it. Just my take.

The only way to use cap space is to over pay like Houstan did to grab Asik and Lin and hope those type of players have upside. They have to come from cap space limited teams. How much is Lance Stephanson worth? IF they don't pan out they are liabilities. We tried this once with Anderson and Eisley. They were not horrible, but for the money they were! Lin and Asik are nice players but not as cornerstones and are not starphuch attractions.

Im can't see how we crawl out of this hole for a while. The harder the try we seem to dig down further.

Can dolan not see that no matter how many guys he fires the problem is in the mirror???

When Dolan give up on his personal involvement in hockey it took 5 years to rebuild the team after starpunching bonanza...
looks like we are looking at the same scenario with Knicks.

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tkf wrote:

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Bonn1997 wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

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tkf wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

tkf wrote:

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Dagger wrote:

ApophisADL wrote:Lol. Then Melo will change his mind 24 hours later.

Only way I trade Melo is for Griffin.

Chandler and Memo
For
Jordan and Griffin plus trash

That's a bad trade. I don't know what yall see in Jordan he sucks, I want nothing to do with him. Griffin is also a very flawed star if you can even call him that.

NO THANK YOU

+1 Dagger.

All this talk about Melo not making players better is true, that's the biggest flaw in his game, but the same crew that has been dreaming about the day Melo leaves also want to bring Griffin here? That's ****ing insane. Can't create his own shot like Melo, doesn't make players better either, but after years of Melo this and Melo that, Blake Griffin? Are you kidding me?

If Melo wants to leave, fine, but we need a quality PG first and foremost, and a big with whatever is left.

Blake griffin is a better player.. no way in hell do the clippers even consider such a deal.. the end..

Yeah, he's definitely better. I'd love the trade because it's an upgrade, not because Blake is a franchise player. He's more of a 2 or even 2b, and I'm not crazy about using that much salary on him but you'd have to do this upgrade.

yea, Blake is at 16-17 mil now, and 20 mil in his final year, would like to have him more around the 14-15 mil as he is a great core player to have, but not a franchise player in the mold of lebron, durant, etc... He is a fantastic player tho, and would be an upgrade for us in such a deal.. if the clippers were crazy enough to do it, I would jump all over that...

Please explain how he is better without pulling some numbers from where the sun don't shine.

If he can't give #s, then what kind of evidence are you looking for. You have to ask a more concrete question first.

If you went to a Clippers game and had no idea who he was or what his numbers were, what is it about Griffin that leads you to believe that he is a better player than Melo?

Based on their career records and assuming I saw a large sample of games, I'd probably notice that's he's putting up a lot of points at a better shooting rate, passing the ball better than Melo does, and rebounding better than Melo does.

I know you said no numbers, and I didn't give any above, but just thinking about this for a second:
Blake's average game is 8.6 shots made on 15.8 attempts. Melo's is 9.4 on 22.2 shots. Melo's taking 6 1/2 more shots and not even making 1 more a game.

I'm talking about the eye test, as NardDog put it. Since I couldn't get a straight answer, I see a player who is too passive at times, who isn't a good defender in spite of his freakish athleticism, who doesn't make players better, who isn't as polished offensively, who cant post up like Melo, can play multiple positions like Melo.

This is the last player I would have guessed that either of you would have wanted in exchange for Melo considering that they have some of the same flaws and Griffin has some flaws that Melo doesn't have. Efficiency alone doesn't make a player better.

passive? come on man that is BS.. he plays within the framework of that offense? doesn't make people better? ask Dudley how much he loves coming off those Griffin Screens for open shots.. Blake is good finding the open man, he does it a lot.. guy is a Brahma Bull... but yet he is some finesse... damn good player and still improving.... needs to develop a jump hook, but right now not bad at all.

and stop with melo posting up. that is such BS. Blake can't post up? are you kidding me? caremelo has no post game at all. He post up to receive the ball because he doesn't like to move and work for it.. carmelo has no moves or shots with his back to the basket.. he post up, gets the ball and turns around.. pretty much what any player in this league can and has done at some point.. Jeez you guys with these melo myths!!!!!!!!!

can play multiple positions like Melo.

I give up... smdh

Smart move since his own teammates have called him out for being too passive. Never said he can't post up, I said he can't post up like Melo, not that he can't post up at all. Since Melo is playing PF for the most part, we don't see him shooting off the dribble as much, you going to tell me he can't do that now?. He isn't a better passer than Melo, neither one is stellar.

no, smart move because you have no clue wht you are talking about.. carmelo is a loser.. plain and simple... you are using the "passive" argument to knock blake, it is a flat out admission that you really can't defend your point.. we can use the eye test, stats, and team record to prove my point, or even defend my argument. You have neither, so now you want to use "passive" please don't insult me with that drivel.. really it is weak..

case closed..

More like door slammed in a huff lol. The first thing I said in this thread was that Melo doesn't make players better but neither does Griffin, also have brought up hero ball many times so spare me the fanboy accusations. You can't even bring yourself to admit when Melo is playing well, blinders anyone?

All this Melo trade PTSD and you have the cojones to cream over Blake fing Griffin? LMAO

nah, that doesn't work bro. i already stated how blake makes others and the team better, working within the framework of the team.. if you can't get that, then I am sorry there is just no hope..

now is when I slam the door, and in a huff because i have low tolerance for ignorance...

Rofl

lol

haha

smh

Like I said, you can't even admit when Melo has a good game. Blinders.

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tkf wrote:

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Bonn1997 wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

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tkf wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

tkf wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

Dagger wrote:

ApophisADL wrote:Lol. Then Melo will change his mind 24 hours later.

Only way I trade Melo is for Griffin.

Chandler and Memo
For
Jordan and Griffin plus trash

That's a bad trade. I don't know what yall see in Jordan he sucks, I want nothing to do with him. Griffin is also a very flawed star if you can even call him that.

NO THANK YOU

+1 Dagger.

All this talk about Melo not making players better is true, that's the biggest flaw in his game, but the same crew that has been dreaming about the day Melo leaves also want to bring Griffin here? That's ****ing insane. Can't create his own shot like Melo, doesn't make players better either, but after years of Melo this and Melo that, Blake Griffin? Are you kidding me?

If Melo wants to leave, fine, but we need a quality PG first and foremost, and a big with whatever is left.

Blake griffin is a better player.. no way in hell do the clippers even consider such a deal.. the end..

Yeah, he's definitely better. I'd love the trade because it's an upgrade, not because Blake is a franchise player. He's more of a 2 or even 2b, and I'm not crazy about using that much salary on him but you'd have to do this upgrade.

yea, Blake is at 16-17 mil now, and 20 mil in his final year, would like to have him more around the 14-15 mil as he is a great core player to have, but not a franchise player in the mold of lebron, durant, etc... He is a fantastic player tho, and would be an upgrade for us in such a deal.. if the clippers were crazy enough to do it, I would jump all over that...

Please explain how he is better without pulling some numbers from where the sun don't shine.

If he can't give #s, then what kind of evidence are you looking for. You have to ask a more concrete question first.

If you went to a Clippers game and had no idea who he was or what his numbers were, what is it about Griffin that leads you to believe that he is a better player than Melo?

Based on their career records and assuming I saw a large sample of games, I'd probably notice that's he's putting up a lot of points at a better shooting rate, passing the ball better than Melo does, and rebounding better than Melo does.

I know you said no numbers, and I didn't give any above, but just thinking about this for a second:
Blake's average game is 8.6 shots made on 15.8 attempts. Melo's is 9.4 on 22.2 shots. Melo's taking 6 1/2 more shots and not even making 1 more a game.

I'm talking about the eye test, as NardDog put it. Since I couldn't get a straight answer, I see a player who is too passive at times, who isn't a good defender in spite of his freakish athleticism, who doesn't make players better, who isn't as polished offensively, who cant post up like Melo, can play multiple positions like Melo.

This is the last player I would have guessed that either of you would have wanted in exchange for Melo considering that they have some of the same flaws and Griffin has some flaws that Melo doesn't have. Efficiency alone doesn't make a player better.

passive? come on man that is BS.. he plays within the framework of that offense? doesn't make people better? ask Dudley how much he loves coming off those Griffin Screens for open shots.. Blake is good finding the open man, he does it a lot.. guy is a Brahma Bull... but yet he is some finesse... damn good player and still improving.... needs to develop a jump hook, but right now not bad at all.

and stop with melo posting up. that is such BS. Blake can't post up? are you kidding me? caremelo has no post game at all. He post up to receive the ball because he doesn't like to move and work for it.. carmelo has no moves or shots with his back to the basket.. he post up, gets the ball and turns around.. pretty much what any player in this league can and has done at some point.. Jeez you guys with these melo myths!!!!!!!!!

can play multiple positions like Melo.

I give up... smdh

Smart move since his own teammates have called him out for being too passive. Never said he can't post up, I said he can't post up like Melo, not that he can't post up at all. Since Melo is playing PF for the most part, we don't see him shooting off the dribble as much, you going to tell me he can't do that now?. He isn't a better passer than Melo, neither one is stellar.

no, smart move because you have no clue wht you are talking about.. carmelo is a loser.. plain and simple... you are using the "passive" argument to knock blake, it is a flat out admission that you really can't defend your point.. we can use the eye test, stats, and team record to prove my point, or even defend my argument. You have neither, so now you want to use "passive" please don't insult me with that drivel.. really it is weak..

case closed..

More like door slammed in a huff lol. The first thing I said in this thread was that Melo doesn't make players better but neither does Griffin, also have brought up hero ball many times so spare me the fanboy accusations. You can't even bring yourself to admit when Melo is playing well, blinders anyone?

All this Melo trade PTSD and you have the cojones to cream over Blake fing Griffin? LMAO

nah, that doesn't work bro. i already stated how blake makes others and the team better, working within the framework of the team.. if you can't get that, then I am sorry there is just no hope..

now is when I slam the door, and in a huff because i have low tolerance for ignorance...

Rofl

lol

haha

smh

Like I said, you can't even admit when Melo has a good game. Blinders.

what I can admit is that he is a loser, a bum, a douchebag.. the evidence is in your FACE... we are 3-13.. we suck.... Talk about blinders.. rofl..

you guys are so in love with this dude it has gotten not only scary, but unhealthy... You want to hold on so bad.. It is just so odd, this type of behavior.. LOL

to hell with the knicks... Its all about meloooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

Sorry but a 3-13 season doesn't say much to me because i am not a knee-jerk reaction type like many appear to be. I will hold last season's 54 wins to a much higher regard then the first 16 games of a season. Considering tyson has been out, it doesn't tell me a whole lot about this team. Is it bad, yes. But it's nothing but a small sample size. Get back to me again at the end of the season, let's see where this team is then. I know where you stand so i'm not going to get into it, just pointing out that a 3-13 start is not a good basis for argument.

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tkf wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

tkf wrote:

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Bonn1997 wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

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Bonn1997 wrote:

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Dagger wrote:

ApophisADL wrote:Lol. Then Melo will change his mind 24 hours later.

Only way I trade Melo is for Griffin.

Chandler and Memo
For
Jordan and Griffin plus trash

That's a bad trade. I don't know what yall see in Jordan he sucks, I want nothing to do with him. Griffin is also a very flawed star if you can even call him that.

NO THANK YOU

+1 Dagger.

All this talk about Melo not making players better is true, that's the biggest flaw in his game, but the same crew that has been dreaming about the day Melo leaves also want to bring Griffin here? That's ****ing insane. Can't create his own shot like Melo, doesn't make players better either, but after years of Melo this and Melo that, Blake Griffin? Are you kidding me?

If Melo wants to leave, fine, but we need a quality PG first and foremost, and a big with whatever is left.

Blake griffin is a better player.. no way in hell do the clippers even consider such a deal.. the end..

Yeah, he's definitely better. I'd love the trade because it's an upgrade, not because Blake is a franchise player. He's more of a 2 or even 2b, and I'm not crazy about using that much salary on him but you'd have to do this upgrade.

yea, Blake is at 16-17 mil now, and 20 mil in his final year, would like to have him more around the 14-15 mil as he is a great core player to have, but not a franchise player in the mold of lebron, durant, etc... He is a fantastic player tho, and would be an upgrade for us in such a deal.. if the clippers were crazy enough to do it, I would jump all over that...

Please explain how he is better without pulling some numbers from where the sun don't shine.

If he can't give #s, then what kind of evidence are you looking for. You have to ask a more concrete question first.

If you went to a Clippers game and had no idea who he was or what his numbers were, what is it about Griffin that leads you to believe that he is a better player than Melo?

Based on their career records and assuming I saw a large sample of games, I'd probably notice that's he's putting up a lot of points at a better shooting rate, passing the ball better than Melo does, and rebounding better than Melo does.

I know you said no numbers, and I didn't give any above, but just thinking about this for a second:
Blake's average game is 8.6 shots made on 15.8 attempts. Melo's is 9.4 on 22.2 shots. Melo's taking 6 1/2 more shots and not even making 1 more a game.

I'm talking about the eye test, as NardDog put it. Since I couldn't get a straight answer, I see a player who is too passive at times, who isn't a good defender in spite of his freakish athleticism, who doesn't make players better, who isn't as polished offensively, who cant post up like Melo, can play multiple positions like Melo.

This is the last player I would have guessed that either of you would have wanted in exchange for Melo considering that they have some of the same flaws and Griffin has some flaws that Melo doesn't have. Efficiency alone doesn't make a player better.

passive? come on man that is BS.. he plays within the framework of that offense? doesn't make people better? ask Dudley how much he loves coming off those Griffin Screens for open shots.. Blake is good finding the open man, he does it a lot.. guy is a Brahma Bull... but yet he is some finesse... damn good player and still improving.... needs to develop a jump hook, but right now not bad at all.

and stop with melo posting up. that is such BS. Blake can't post up? are you kidding me? caremelo has no post game at all. He post up to receive the ball because he doesn't like to move and work for it.. carmelo has no moves or shots with his back to the basket.. he post up, gets the ball and turns around.. pretty much what any player in this league can and has done at some point.. Jeez you guys with these melo myths!!!!!!!!!

can play multiple positions like Melo.

I give up... smdh

Smart move since his own teammates have called him out for being too passive. Never said he can't post up, I said he can't post up like Melo, not that he can't post up at all. Since Melo is playing PF for the most part, we don't see him shooting off the dribble as much, you going to tell me he can't do that now?. He isn't a better passer than Melo, neither one is stellar.

no, smart move because you have no clue wht you are talking about.. carmelo is a loser.. plain and simple... you are using the "passive" argument to knock blake, it is a flat out admission that you really can't defend your point.. we can use the eye test, stats, and team record to prove my point, or even defend my argument. You have neither, so now you want to use "passive" please don't insult me with that drivel.. really it is weak..

case closed..

More like door slammed in a huff lol. The first thing I said in this thread was that Melo doesn't make players better but neither does Griffin, also have brought up hero ball many times so spare me the fanboy accusations. You can't even bring yourself to admit when Melo is playing well, blinders anyone?

All this Melo trade PTSD and you have the cojones to cream over Blake fing Griffin? LMAO

nah, that doesn't work bro. i already stated how blake makes others and the team better, working within the framework of the team.. if you can't get that, then I am sorry there is just no hope..

now is when I slam the door, and in a huff because i have low tolerance for ignorance...

Rofl

lol

haha

smh

Like I said, you can't even admit when Melo has a good game. Blinders.

what I can admit is that he is a loser, a bum, a douchebag.. the evidence is in your FACE... we are 3-13.. we suck.... Talk about blinders.. rofl..

you guys are so in love with this dude it has gotten not only scary, but unhealthy... You want to hold on so bad.. It is just so odd, this type of behavior.. LOL

to hell with the knicks... Its all about meloooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

Sorry but a 3-13 season doesn't say much to me because i am not a knee-jerk reaction type like many appear to be. I will hold last season's 54 wins to a much higher regard then the first 16 games of a season. Considering tyson has been out, it doesn't tell me a whole lot about this team. Is it bad, yes. But it's nothing but a small sample size. Get back to me again at the end of the season, let's see where this team is then. I know where you stand so i'm not going to get into it, just pointing out that a 3-13 start is not a good basis for argument.

how many 3-13 teams make it to the finals.

conference finals?
conference semifinals?
first round of playoffs?

the team has imploded. it has gotten so bad that there's a rumor that barkley will be the guest color man on tonight's national broadcast, making laughing stock status official.

then there's the irrelevance quotient to follow.

thanks dolan, thanks <meh>lo

tick tock

Also, I think the weight of being asked to be a leader is weighing on him. To be a leader he would have to care about someone other then himself and he just isn't that.

I hope he is traded for some foundational pieces and picks. Let the rebuild start now.

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Dagger wrote:

ApophisADL wrote:Lol. Then Melo will change his mind 24 hours later.

Only way I trade Melo is for Griffin.

Chandler and Memo
For
Jordan and Griffin plus trash

That's a bad trade. I don't know what yall see in Jordan he sucks, I want nothing to do with him. Griffin is also a very flawed star if you can even call him that.

NO THANK YOU

+1 Dagger.

All this talk about Melo not making players better is true, that's the biggest flaw in his game, but the same crew that has been dreaming about the day Melo leaves also want to bring Griffin here? That's ****ing insane. Can't create his own shot like Melo, doesn't make players better either, but after years of Melo this and Melo that, Blake Griffin? Are you kidding me?

If Melo wants to leave, fine, but we need a quality PG first and foremost, and a big with whatever is left.

Blake griffin is a better player.. no way in hell do the clippers even consider such a deal.. the end..

Yeah, he's definitely better. I'd love the trade because it's an upgrade, not because Blake is a franchise player. He's more of a 2 or even 2b, and I'm not crazy about using that much salary on him but you'd have to do this upgrade.

yea, Blake is at 16-17 mil now, and 20 mil in his final year, would like to have him more around the 14-15 mil as he is a great core player to have, but not a franchise player in the mold of lebron, durant, etc... He is a fantastic player tho, and would be an upgrade for us in such a deal.. if the clippers were crazy enough to do it, I would jump all over that...

Please explain how he is better without pulling some numbers from where the sun don't shine.

If he can't give #s, then what kind of evidence are you looking for. You have to ask a more concrete question first.

If you went to a Clippers game and had no idea who he was or what his numbers were, what is it about Griffin that leads you to believe that he is a better player than Melo?

Based on their career records and assuming I saw a large sample of games, I'd probably notice that's he's putting up a lot of points at a better shooting rate, passing the ball better than Melo does, and rebounding better than Melo does.

I know you said no numbers, and I didn't give any above, but just thinking about this for a second:
Blake's average game is 8.6 shots made on 15.8 attempts. Melo's is 9.4 on 22.2 shots. Melo's taking 6 1/2 more shots and not even making 1 more a game.

I'm talking about the eye test, as NardDog put it. Since I couldn't get a straight answer, I see a player who is too passive at times, who isn't a good defender in spite of his freakish athleticism, who doesn't make players better, who isn't as polished offensively, who cant post up like Melo, can play multiple positions like Melo.

This is the last player I would have guessed that either of you would have wanted in exchange for Melo considering that they have some of the same flaws and Griffin has some flaws that Melo doesn't have. Efficiency alone doesn't make a player better.

passive? come on man that is BS.. he plays within the framework of that offense? doesn't make people better? ask Dudley how much he loves coming off those Griffin Screens for open shots.. Blake is good finding the open man, he does it a lot.. guy is a Brahma Bull... but yet he is some finesse... damn good player and still improving.... needs to develop a jump hook, but right now not bad at all.

and stop with melo posting up. that is such BS. Blake can't post up? are you kidding me? caremelo has no post game at all. He post up to receive the ball because he doesn't like to move and work for it.. carmelo has no moves or shots with his back to the basket.. he post up, gets the ball and turns around.. pretty much what any player in this league can and has done at some point.. Jeez you guys with these melo myths!!!!!!!!!

can play multiple positions like Melo.

I give up... smdh

Smart move since his own teammates have called him out for being too passive. Never said he can't post up, I said he can't post up like Melo, not that he can't post up at all. Since Melo is playing PF for the most part, we don't see him shooting off the dribble as much, you going to tell me he can't do that now?. He isn't a better passer than Melo, neither one is stellar.

no, smart move because you have no clue wht you are talking about.. carmelo is a loser.. plain and simple... you are using the "passive" argument to knock blake, it is a flat out admission that you really can't defend your point.. we can use the eye test, stats, and team record to prove my point, or even defend my argument. You have neither, so now you want to use "passive" please don't insult me with that drivel.. really it is weak..

case closed..

More like door slammed in a huff lol. The first thing I said in this thread was that Melo doesn't make players better but neither does Griffin, also have brought up hero ball many times so spare me the fanboy accusations. You can't even bring yourself to admit when Melo is playing well, blinders anyone?

All this Melo trade PTSD and you have the cojones to cream over Blake fing Griffin? LMAO

nah, that doesn't work bro. i already stated how blake makes others and the team better, working within the framework of the team.. if you can't get that, then I am sorry there is just no hope..

now is when I slam the door, and in a huff because i have low tolerance for ignorance...

Rofl

lol

haha

smh

Like I said, you can't even admit when Melo has a good game. Blinders.

what I can admit is that he is a loser, a bum, a douchebag.. the evidence is in your FACE... we are 3-13.. we suck.... Talk about blinders.. rofl..

you guys are so in love with this dude it has gotten not only scary, but unhealthy... You want to hold on so bad.. It is just so odd, this type of behavior.. LOL

to hell with the knicks... Its all about meloooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

So in love with Melo that I admit that he doesn't make his teammates better, plays hero ball too much, needs to ask for less if its the only way to build a contender, that if he leaves its no skin off my back. Riiiiiight that's love right there.

There might be some posters where that argument will wash, not with me. If Blake Griffin comes here in spite of what I think of him as a player, I sure as hell won't be trolling every thread, regardless of the topic, to remind people how much I don't like what he brings to the table because its the height of immaturity. If he's doing things that don't fit my frame, I will say so, just like I have with every player on this team. Can you say the same? I'll leave it at that.

you see you are conceding one point in order to use that to knock another player in a way that just isn't accurate..

If blake comes here, I don't care what you do... honestly, if you don't like him that is your business...

but blake isn't coming here.. end of story.

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NumberTwoPencil wrote:"Melo for Asik, Lin, Chandler Parsons, and a #1 pick."

Ha, interestingly, Lin, Parsons and Asik are all out until Dec 15th- hmm...

Seriously though, Melo is not a Morey kind of guy- he likes efficency etc, plus Melo and Harden could never co-exist. I think if we move him the Clips are the most likely trade partner, simply because he's more likely to re-sign there and he's friends with CP3, while CP3 and Griffin are said to be feuding. Still, don't see it happening- Dolan will refuse to believe Melo will walk, offer a max contract and then refuse to trade him out of a loyalty/spite principal.

I agree. I really believe Melo either stays or we deal him to LA in a package for Blake.

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smackeddog wrote:

NumberTwoPencil wrote:"Melo for Asik, Lin, Chandler Parsons, and a #1 pick."

Ha, interestingly, Lin, Parsons and Asik are all out until Dec 15th- hmm...

Seriously though, Melo is not a Morey kind of guy- he likes efficency etc, plus Melo and Harden could never co-exist. I think if we move him the Clips are the most likely trade partner, simply because he's more likely to re-sign there and he's friends with CP3, while CP3 and Griffin are said to be feuding. Still, don't see it happening- Dolan will refuse to believe Melo will walk, offer a max contract and then refuse to trade him out of a loyalty/spite principal.

I agree. I really believe Melo either stays or we deal him to LA in a package for Blake.

steve Blake? If you believe the clippers would deal blake Griffin for carmelo, I have a bridge that stretches from the US to Europe I want to sell you...