dk7th wrote:

knickscity wrote:

dk7th wrote:

knickscity wrote:

dk7th wrote:

knickscity wrote:I cant fault any player for getting what they can, and even if they take less there's no guarantee they win even then.

But the Knicks have history of rewarding loyalty...Melo will get his money.

I wouldnt be suprised if Amare got longer deal as well....of course not max.

i can. with some people too much money is never enough. ah the guaranteed contract... no incentive required.

surely there is a point at which a person has exploited a situation to his advantage such that all that remains is a legacy. he got his big payday in 2011 and has now been struggling to win as a result.

carmelo anthony will have earned 136 million dollars by the end of this season-- first round exit, second round exit... he still gets paid.

if he values his legacy-- very doubtful actually-- then he should wrap his feeble mind around making merely another 100 million dollars over the following 8 years after that, or the balance of is career.

that means he will have made 235 million dollars over his career and if he plays until he is 38 he will have averaged 12,600,000 dollars a season for his career.

I hear you, just me, as a man, i cant count this guys money.

Sure I'd love for him to take less to HOPEFULLY build a better squad, but there's no guarantees the team could do it even if he took a min salary, him making less doesnt equal better team, just opens up the possibility.

Speaking of legacy, he could actually retire today and go into the HOF, the only thing he hasnt accomplished is an NBA title.

And thats not bad company as others whom have been better players didnt win either.

better to have a possibility than no chance at all. the hard thing about this situation is that of all the max players i can think of he tops the list of being the most difficult to win with as the main guy. the smarter ring-chasing vets that might come here might well recognize the futility of playing on a carmelo-centric team if the goal is winning... and decide to look elsewhere. therein lies the rub and is why i would love to be able to trade him and start over.

So essentially it really doesnt matter if he takes a reduce pay or not.

To build around melo, you have to have two main components.

1) Players that he respects, and I dont mean friends and former teammmates, but players he knows are about the "W", and can go out and get it....why is why I truly believe the Knicks are gonna miss those old cats....they knew Melo was the star, but when THEY played, he didnt play his normal way...he played inspired.

If you keep Melo...you have to bring in a true "alpha" whom will not allow melo to do what he winds up doing.

There is one player that would make him fly right, but he isnt available at the moment...Kobe, but he's available next season.

2) Some players who are efficient on offense and at what they do best.....there are some pieces of that on the latter part.

This would be the hardest to achieve imo.

Even with a sizeable reduction, I cant see the team bringing in whats needed to compete.

i like rondo. he has a ring and cane thisclose to a second one. some question his character and his psyche, but frankly the issue of carmelo "respecting" another may have more to do with melo as anything else regardless. hence the argument for getting rid of carmelo anthony the sooner the better.

i just wish he would dedicate himself to being in supreme shape and aim to be an all-nba defender. he just exudes complacency, conceitedness, and laziness. at the same time he lacks savvy and guile.

CrushAlot wrote:

dk7th wrote:

knickscity wrote:

dk7th wrote:

knickscity wrote:

dk7th wrote:

knickscity wrote:I cant fault any player for getting what they can, and even if they take less there's no guarantee they win even then.

But the Knicks have history of rewarding loyalty...Melo will get his money.

I wouldnt be suprised if Amare got longer deal as well....of course not max.

i can. with some people too much money is never enough. ah the guaranteed contract... no incentive required.

surely there is a point at which a person has exploited a situation to his advantage such that all that remains is a legacy. he got his big payday in 2011 and has now been struggling to win as a result.

carmelo anthony will have earned 136 million dollars by the end of this season-- first round exit, second round exit... he still gets paid.

if he values his legacy-- very doubtful actually-- then he should wrap his feeble mind around making merely another 100 million dollars over the following 8 years after that, or the balance of is career.

that means he will have made 235 million dollars over his career and if he plays until he is 38 he will have averaged 12,600,000 dollars a season for his career.

I hear you, just me, as a man, i cant count this guys money.

Sure I'd love for him to take less to HOPEFULLY build a better squad, but there's no guarantees the team could do it even if he took a min salary, him making less doesnt equal better team, just opens up the possibility.

Speaking of legacy, he could actually retire today and go into the HOF, the only thing he hasnt accomplished is an NBA title.

And thats not bad company as others whom have been better players didnt win either.

better to have a possibility than no chance at all. the hard thing about this situation is that of all the max players i can think of he tops the list of being the most difficult to win with as the main guy. the smarter ring-chasing vets that might come here might well recognize the futility of playing on a carmelo-centric team if the goal is winning... and decide to look elsewhere. therein lies the rub and is why i would love to be able to trade him and start over.

So essentially it really doesnt matter if he takes a reduce pay or not.

To build around melo, you have to have two main components.

1) Players that he respects, and I dont mean friends and former teammmates, but players he knows are about the "W", and can go out and get it....why is why I truly believe the Knicks are gonna miss those old cats....they knew Melo was the star, but when THEY played, he didnt play his normal way...he played inspired.

If you keep Melo...you have to bring in a true "alpha" whom will not allow melo to do what he winds up doing.

There is one player that would make him fly right, but he isnt available at the moment...Kobe, but he's available next season.

2) Some players who are efficient on offense and at what they do best.....there are some pieces of that on the latter part.

This would be the hardest to achieve imo.

Even with a sizeable reduction, I cant see the team bringing in whats needed to compete.

i like rondo. he has a ring and cane thisclose to a second one. some question his character and his psyche, but frankly the issue of carmelo "respecting" another may have more to do with melo as anything else regardless. hence the argument for getting rid of carmelo anthony the sooner the better.

i just wish he would dedicate himself to being in supreme shape and aim to be an all-nba defender. he just exudes complacency, conceitedness, and laziness. at the same time he lacks savvy and guile.

Just wondering who Carmelo is accused of disrespecting. I haven't heard any of his teammates say this about him but I may have missed it.

there may be a nuanced distinction between "disrespecting" and "lacking respect" for another. one is overt and and the other is more passive-aggressive. trust is closely linked with respect. carmelo has been rightfully accused of not trusting his teammates so can lack of respect be far away?

so if his teammates won't simply state it then it can be chalked up to that phenomenon and of course "politics."

dk7th wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

dk7th wrote:

knickscity wrote:

dk7th wrote:

knickscity wrote:

dk7th wrote:

knickscity wrote:I cant fault any player for getting what they can, and even if they take less there's no guarantee they win even then.

But the Knicks have history of rewarding loyalty...Melo will get his money.

I wouldnt be suprised if Amare got longer deal as well....of course not max.

i can. with some people too much money is never enough. ah the guaranteed contract... no incentive required.

surely there is a point at which a person has exploited a situation to his advantage such that all that remains is a legacy. he got his big payday in 2011 and has now been struggling to win as a result.

carmelo anthony will have earned 136 million dollars by the end of this season-- first round exit, second round exit... he still gets paid.

if he values his legacy-- very doubtful actually-- then he should wrap his feeble mind around making merely another 100 million dollars over the following 8 years after that, or the balance of is career.

that means he will have made 235 million dollars over his career and if he plays until he is 38 he will have averaged 12,600,000 dollars a season for his career.

I hear you, just me, as a man, i cant count this guys money.

Sure I'd love for him to take less to HOPEFULLY build a better squad, but there's no guarantees the team could do it even if he took a min salary, him making less doesnt equal better team, just opens up the possibility.

Speaking of legacy, he could actually retire today and go into the HOF, the only thing he hasnt accomplished is an NBA title.

And thats not bad company as others whom have been better players didnt win either.

better to have a possibility than no chance at all. the hard thing about this situation is that of all the max players i can think of he tops the list of being the most difficult to win with as the main guy. the smarter ring-chasing vets that might come here might well recognize the futility of playing on a carmelo-centric team if the goal is winning... and decide to look elsewhere. therein lies the rub and is why i would love to be able to trade him and start over.

So essentially it really doesnt matter if he takes a reduce pay or not.

To build around melo, you have to have two main components.

1) Players that he respects, and I dont mean friends and former teammmates, but players he knows are about the "W", and can go out and get it....why is why I truly believe the Knicks are gonna miss those old cats....they knew Melo was the star, but when THEY played, he didnt play his normal way...he played inspired.

If you keep Melo...you have to bring in a true "alpha" whom will not allow melo to do what he winds up doing.

There is one player that would make him fly right, but he isnt available at the moment...Kobe, but he's available next season.

2) Some players who are efficient on offense and at what they do best.....there are some pieces of that on the latter part.

This would be the hardest to achieve imo.

Even with a sizeable reduction, I cant see the team bringing in whats needed to compete.

i like rondo. he has a ring and cane thisclose to a second one. some question his character and his psyche, but frankly the issue of carmelo "respecting" another may have more to do with melo as anything else regardless. hence the argument for getting rid of carmelo anthony the sooner the better.

i just wish he would dedicate himself to being in supreme shape and aim to be an all-nba defender. he just exudes complacency, conceitedness, and laziness. at the same time he lacks savvy and guile.

Just wondering who Carmelo is accused of disrespecting. I haven't heard any of his teammates say this about him but I may have missed it.

there may be a nuanced distinction between "disrespecting" and "lacking respect" for another. one is overt and and the other is more passive-aggressive. trust is closely linked with respect. carmelo has been rightfully accused of not trusting his teammates so can lack of respect be far away?

so if his teammates won't simply state it then it can be chalked up to that phenomenon and of course "politics."

I haven't seen the accusations of Melo not trusting his teammates. Are you referring to the opinions of some who post here? Not sure where you are going with that. I know Breen likes to be highly critical but that has lessened some as the months have turned into years since D'Antoni left.

dk7th wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

dk7th wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

dk7th wrote:

knickscity wrote:

dk7th wrote:

knickscity wrote:

dk7th wrote:

knickscity wrote:I cant fault any player for getting what they can, and even if they take less there's no guarantee they win even then.

But the Knicks have history of rewarding loyalty...Melo will get his money.

I wouldnt be suprised if Amare got longer deal as well....of course not max.

i can. with some people too much money is never enough. ah the guaranteed contract... no incentive required.

surely there is a point at which a person has exploited a situation to his advantage such that all that remains is a legacy. he got his big payday in 2011 and has now been struggling to win as a result.

carmelo anthony will have earned 136 million dollars by the end of this season-- first round exit, second round exit... he still gets paid.

if he values his legacy-- very doubtful actually-- then he should wrap his feeble mind around making merely another 100 million dollars over the following 8 years after that, or the balance of is career.

that means he will have made 235 million dollars over his career and if he plays until he is 38 he will have averaged 12,600,000 dollars a season for his career.

I hear you, just me, as a man, i cant count this guys money.

Sure I'd love for him to take less to HOPEFULLY build a better squad, but there's no guarantees the team could do it even if he took a min salary, him making less doesnt equal better team, just opens up the possibility.

Speaking of legacy, he could actually retire today and go into the HOF, the only thing he hasnt accomplished is an NBA title.

And thats not bad company as others whom have been better players didnt win either.

better to have a possibility than no chance at all. the hard thing about this situation is that of all the max players i can think of he tops the list of being the most difficult to win with as the main guy. the smarter ring-chasing vets that might come here might well recognize the futility of playing on a carmelo-centric team if the goal is winning... and decide to look elsewhere. therein lies the rub and is why i would love to be able to trade him and start over.

So essentially it really doesnt matter if he takes a reduce pay or not.

To build around melo, you have to have two main components.

1) Players that he respects, and I dont mean friends and former teammmates, but players he knows are about the "W", and can go out and get it....why is why I truly believe the Knicks are gonna miss those old cats....they knew Melo was the star, but when THEY played, he didnt play his normal way...he played inspired.

If you keep Melo...you have to bring in a true "alpha" whom will not allow melo to do what he winds up doing.

There is one player that would make him fly right, but he isnt available at the moment...Kobe, but he's available next season.

2) Some players who are efficient on offense and at what they do best.....there are some pieces of that on the latter part.

This would be the hardest to achieve imo.

Even with a sizeable reduction, I cant see the team bringing in whats needed to compete.

i like rondo. he has a ring and cane thisclose to a second one. some question his character and his psyche, but frankly the issue of carmelo "respecting" another may have more to do with melo as anything else regardless. hence the argument for getting rid of carmelo anthony the sooner the better.

i just wish he would dedicate himself to being in supreme shape and aim to be an all-nba defender. he just exudes complacency, conceitedness, and laziness. at the same time he lacks savvy and guile.

Just wondering who Carmelo is accused of disrespecting. I haven't heard any of his teammates say this about him but I may have missed it.

there may be a nuanced distinction between "disrespecting" and "lacking respect" for another. one is overt and and the other is more passive-aggressive. trust is closely linked with respect. carmelo has been rightfully accused of not trusting his teammates so can lack of respect be far away?

so if his teammates won't simply state it then it can be chalked up to that phenomenon and of course "politics."

I haven't seen the accusations of Melo not trusting his teammates. Are you referring to the opinions of some who post here? Not sure where you are going with that. I know Breen likes to be highly critical but that has lessened some as the months have turned into years since D'Antoni left.

it's a reasonable issue to raise since he holds on to the ball too much and takes too many ill-advised shots. his entire career is colored by these unfortunate habits.

but perhaps it isn't question of disrespecting teammates or not trusting them. in which case how do you account for an entire career of the ball sticking and ill-advised shots?

or maybe you disagree that he holds on to the ball too much and takes too many ill-advised shots?

CrushAlot wrote:

dk7th wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

dk7th wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

dk7th wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

dk7th wrote:

knickscity wrote:

dk7th wrote:

knickscity wrote:

dk7th wrote:

knickscity wrote:I cant fault any player for getting what they can, and even if they take less there's no guarantee they win even then.

But the Knicks have history of rewarding loyalty...Melo will get his money.

I wouldnt be suprised if Amare got longer deal as well....of course not max.

i can. with some people too much money is never enough. ah the guaranteed contract... no incentive required.

surely there is a point at which a person has exploited a situation to his advantage such that all that remains is a legacy. he got his big payday in 2011 and has now been struggling to win as a result.

carmelo anthony will have earned 136 million dollars by the end of this season-- first round exit, second round exit... he still gets paid.

if he values his legacy-- very doubtful actually-- then he should wrap his feeble mind around making merely another 100 million dollars over the following 8 years after that, or the balance of is career.

that means he will have made 235 million dollars over his career and if he plays until he is 38 he will have averaged 12,600,000 dollars a season for his career.

I hear you, just me, as a man, i cant count this guys money.

Sure I'd love for him to take less to HOPEFULLY build a better squad, but there's no guarantees the team could do it even if he took a min salary, him making less doesnt equal better team, just opens up the possibility.

Speaking of legacy, he could actually retire today and go into the HOF, the only thing he hasnt accomplished is an NBA title.

And thats not bad company as others whom have been better players didnt win either.

better to have a possibility than no chance at all. the hard thing about this situation is that of all the max players i can think of he tops the list of being the most difficult to win with as the main guy. the smarter ring-chasing vets that might come here might well recognize the futility of playing on a carmelo-centric team if the goal is winning... and decide to look elsewhere. therein lies the rub and is why i would love to be able to trade him and start over.

So essentially it really doesnt matter if he takes a reduce pay or not.

To build around melo, you have to have two main components.

1) Players that he respects, and I dont mean friends and former teammmates, but players he knows are about the "W", and can go out and get it....why is why I truly believe the Knicks are gonna miss those old cats....they knew Melo was the star, but when THEY played, he didnt play his normal way...he played inspired.

If you keep Melo...you have to bring in a true "alpha" whom will not allow melo to do what he winds up doing.

There is one player that would make him fly right, but he isnt available at the moment...Kobe, but he's available next season.

2) Some players who are efficient on offense and at what they do best.....there are some pieces of that on the latter part.

This would be the hardest to achieve imo.

Even with a sizeable reduction, I cant see the team bringing in whats needed to compete.

i like rondo. he has a ring and cane thisclose to a second one. some question his character and his psyche, but frankly the issue of carmelo "respecting" another may have more to do with melo as anything else regardless. hence the argument for getting rid of carmelo anthony the sooner the better.

i just wish he would dedicate himself to being in supreme shape and aim to be an all-nba defender. he just exudes complacency, conceitedness, and laziness. at the same time he lacks savvy and guile.

Just wondering who Carmelo is accused of disrespecting. I haven't heard any of his teammates say this about him but I may have missed it.

there may be a nuanced distinction between "disrespecting" and "lacking respect" for another. one is overt and and the other is more passive-aggressive. trust is closely linked with respect. carmelo has been rightfully accused of not trusting his teammates so can lack of respect be far away?

so if his teammates won't simply state it then it can be chalked up to that phenomenon and of course "politics."

I haven't seen the accusations of Melo not trusting his teammates. Are you referring to the opinions of some who post here? Not sure where you are going with that. I know Breen likes to be highly critical but that has lessened some as the months have turned into years since D'Antoni left.

it's a reasonable issue to raise since he holds on to the ball too much and takes too many ill-advised shots. his entire career is colored by these unfortunate habits.

but perhaps it isn't question of disrespecting teammates or not trusting them. in which case how do you account for an entire career of the ball sticking and ill-advised shots?

or maybe you disagree that he holds on to the ball too much and takes too many ill-advised shots?

Just wondering where you got your information that you posted. Are you making the accusations because the way it was written you seem to be citing others in regard to his disrespecting and not trusting his teammates.

information? like a stat or something or some quote from a teammate off the record and such?

Yeah information. If you write something like that I assume you have a source. Media, teammates or your opinion. Where did that come from?

well it's my opinion based on what i have seen of the way he plays.

what, in your opinion, is the reason for the ball sticking too much and taking too many ill-advised shots?

or perhaps you don't share the opinion that the ball sticks to him too much and he takes too many ill-advised shots? do you see something different in the way he plays?

before you answer i will remind you that his usage rate last year was a career high and in fact highest in the nba, while the ratio of that astronomical usage to the percent of time there was an assist made with him on the floor ended up being over 2.5 to 1

CrushAlot wrote:

dk7th wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

dk7th wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

dk7th wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

dk7th wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

dk7th wrote:

knickscity wrote:

dk7th wrote:

knickscity wrote:

dk7th wrote:

knickscity wrote:I cant fault any player for getting what they can, and even if they take less there's no guarantee they win even then.

But the Knicks have history of rewarding loyalty...Melo will get his money.

I wouldnt be suprised if Amare got longer deal as well....of course not max.

i can. with some people too much money is never enough. ah the guaranteed contract... no incentive required.

surely there is a point at which a person has exploited a situation to his advantage such that all that remains is a legacy. he got his big payday in 2011 and has now been struggling to win as a result.

carmelo anthony will have earned 136 million dollars by the end of this season-- first round exit, second round exit... he still gets paid.

if he values his legacy-- very doubtful actually-- then he should wrap his feeble mind around making merely another 100 million dollars over the following 8 years after that, or the balance of is career.

that means he will have made 235 million dollars over his career and if he plays until he is 38 he will have averaged 12,600,000 dollars a season for his career.

I hear you, just me, as a man, i cant count this guys money.

Sure I'd love for him to take less to HOPEFULLY build a better squad, but there's no guarantees the team could do it even if he took a min salary, him making less doesnt equal better team, just opens up the possibility.

Speaking of legacy, he could actually retire today and go into the HOF, the only thing he hasnt accomplished is an NBA title.

And thats not bad company as others whom have been better players didnt win either.

better to have a possibility than no chance at all. the hard thing about this situation is that of all the max players i can think of he tops the list of being the most difficult to win with as the main guy. the smarter ring-chasing vets that might come here might well recognize the futility of playing on a carmelo-centric team if the goal is winning... and decide to look elsewhere. therein lies the rub and is why i would love to be able to trade him and start over.

So essentially it really doesnt matter if he takes a reduce pay or not.

To build around melo, you have to have two main components.

1) Players that he respects, and I dont mean friends and former teammmates, but players he knows are about the "W", and can go out and get it....why is why I truly believe the Knicks are gonna miss those old cats....they knew Melo was the star, but when THEY played, he didnt play his normal way...he played inspired.

If you keep Melo...you have to bring in a true "alpha" whom will not allow melo to do what he winds up doing.

There is one player that would make him fly right, but he isnt available at the moment...Kobe, but he's available next season.

2) Some players who are efficient on offense and at what they do best.....there are some pieces of that on the latter part.

This would be the hardest to achieve imo.

Even with a sizeable reduction, I cant see the team bringing in whats needed to compete.

i like rondo. he has a ring and cane thisclose to a second one. some question his character and his psyche, but frankly the issue of carmelo "respecting" another may have more to do with melo as anything else regardless. hence the argument for getting rid of carmelo anthony the sooner the better.

i just wish he would dedicate himself to being in supreme shape and aim to be an all-nba defender. he just exudes complacency, conceitedness, and laziness. at the same time he lacks savvy and guile.

Just wondering who Carmelo is accused of disrespecting. I haven't heard any of his teammates say this about him but I may have missed it.

there may be a nuanced distinction between "disrespecting" and "lacking respect" for another. one is overt and and the other is more passive-aggressive. trust is closely linked with respect. carmelo has been rightfully accused of not trusting his teammates so can lack of respect be far away?

so if his teammates won't simply state it then it can be chalked up to that phenomenon and of course "politics."

I haven't seen the accusations of Melo not trusting his teammates. Are you referring to the opinions of some who post here? Not sure where you are going with that. I know Breen likes to be highly critical but that has lessened some as the months have turned into years since D'Antoni left.

it's a reasonable issue to raise since he holds on to the ball too much and takes too many ill-advised shots. his entire career is colored by these unfortunate habits.

but perhaps it isn't question of disrespecting teammates or not trusting them. in which case how do you account for an entire career of the ball sticking and ill-advised shots?

or maybe you disagree that he holds on to the ball too much and takes too many ill-advised shots?

Just wondering where you got your information that you posted. Are you making the accusations because the way it was written you seem to be citing others in regard to his disrespecting and not trusting his teammates.

information? like a stat or something or some quote from a teammate off the record and such?

Yeah information. If you write something like that I assume you have a source. Media, teammates or your opinion. Where did that come from?

well it's my opinion based on what i have seen of the way he plays.

what, in your opinion, is the reason for the ball sticking too much and taking too many ill-advised shots?

or perhaps you don't share the opinion that the ball sticks to him too much and he takes too many ill-advised shots? do you see something different in the way he plays?

before you answer i will remind you that his usage rate last year was a career high and in fact highest in the nba, while the ratio of that astronomical usage to the percent of time there was an assist made with him on the floor ended up being over 2.5 to 1

Um we were talking about his disrespecting his teammates. I assume that he hasn't as I have never read or heard anything from a teammate or media member. I haven't changed my opinion based on anything you have written.

so when the ball sticks to him too much and he takes too many ill-advised shots you don't deduce that he doesn't respect his teammates or doesn't trust his teammates. ok fine.

then what do you deduce about his regard for his teammates when you see the ball sticking to him too much and he takes too many ill-advised shots?

CrushAlot wrote:

dk7th wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

dk7th wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

dk7th wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

dk7th wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

dk7th wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

dk7th wrote:

knickscity wrote:

dk7th wrote:

knickscity wrote:

dk7th wrote:

knickscity wrote:I cant fault any player for getting what they can, and even if they take less there's no guarantee they win even then.

But the Knicks have history of rewarding loyalty...Melo will get his money.

I wouldnt be suprised if Amare got longer deal as well....of course not max.

i can. with some people too much money is never enough. ah the guaranteed contract... no incentive required.

surely there is a point at which a person has exploited a situation to his advantage such that all that remains is a legacy. he got his big payday in 2011 and has now been struggling to win as a result.

carmelo anthony will have earned 136 million dollars by the end of this season-- first round exit, second round exit... he still gets paid.

if he values his legacy-- very doubtful actually-- then he should wrap his feeble mind around making merely another 100 million dollars over the following 8 years after that, or the balance of is career.

that means he will have made 235 million dollars over his career and if he plays until he is 38 he will have averaged 12,600,000 dollars a season for his career.

I hear you, just me, as a man, i cant count this guys money.

Sure I'd love for him to take less to HOPEFULLY build a better squad, but there's no guarantees the team could do it even if he took a min salary, him making less doesnt equal better team, just opens up the possibility.

Speaking of legacy, he could actually retire today and go into the HOF, the only thing he hasnt accomplished is an NBA title.

And thats not bad company as others whom have been better players didnt win either.

better to have a possibility than no chance at all. the hard thing about this situation is that of all the max players i can think of he tops the list of being the most difficult to win with as the main guy. the smarter ring-chasing vets that might come here might well recognize the futility of playing on a carmelo-centric team if the goal is winning... and decide to look elsewhere. therein lies the rub and is why i would love to be able to trade him and start over.

So essentially it really doesnt matter if he takes a reduce pay or not.

To build around melo, you have to have two main components.

1) Players that he respects, and I dont mean friends and former teammmates, but players he knows are about the "W", and can go out and get it....why is why I truly believe the Knicks are gonna miss those old cats....they knew Melo was the star, but when THEY played, he didnt play his normal way...he played inspired.

If you keep Melo...you have to bring in a true "alpha" whom will not allow melo to do what he winds up doing.

There is one player that would make him fly right, but he isnt available at the moment...Kobe, but he's available next season.

2) Some players who are efficient on offense and at what they do best.....there are some pieces of that on the latter part.

This would be the hardest to achieve imo.

Even with a sizeable reduction, I cant see the team bringing in whats needed to compete.

i like rondo. he has a ring and cane thisclose to a second one. some question his character and his psyche, but frankly the issue of carmelo "respecting" another may have more to do with melo as anything else regardless. hence the argument for getting rid of carmelo anthony the sooner the better.

i just wish he would dedicate himself to being in supreme shape and aim to be an all-nba defender. he just exudes complacency, conceitedness, and laziness. at the same time he lacks savvy and guile.

Just wondering who Carmelo is accused of disrespecting. I haven't heard any of his teammates say this about him but I may have missed it.

there may be a nuanced distinction between "disrespecting" and "lacking respect" for another. one is overt and and the other is more passive-aggressive. trust is closely linked with respect. carmelo has been rightfully accused of not trusting his teammates so can lack of respect be far away?

so if his teammates won't simply state it then it can be chalked up to that phenomenon and of course "politics."

I haven't seen the accusations of Melo not trusting his teammates. Are you referring to the opinions of some who post here? Not sure where you are going with that. I know Breen likes to be highly critical but that has lessened some as the months have turned into years since D'Antoni left.

it's a reasonable issue to raise since he holds on to the ball too much and takes too many ill-advised shots. his entire career is colored by these unfortunate habits.

but perhaps it isn't question of disrespecting teammates or not trusting them. in which case how do you account for an entire career of the ball sticking and ill-advised shots?

or maybe you disagree that he holds on to the ball too much and takes too many ill-advised shots?

Just wondering where you got your information that you posted. Are you making the accusations because the way it was written you seem to be citing others in regard to his disrespecting and not trusting his teammates.

information? like a stat or something or some quote from a teammate off the record and such?

Yeah information. If you write something like that I assume you have a source. Media, teammates or your opinion. Where did that come from?

well it's my opinion based on what i have seen of the way he plays.

what, in your opinion, is the reason for the ball sticking too much and taking too many ill-advised shots?

or perhaps you don't share the opinion that the ball sticks to him too much and he takes too many ill-advised shots? do you see something different in the way he plays?

before you answer i will remind you that his usage rate last year was a career high and in fact highest in the nba, while the ratio of that astronomical usage to the percent of time there was an assist made with him on the floor ended up being over 2.5 to 1

Um we were talking about his disrespecting his teammates. I assume that he hasn't as I have never read or heard anything from a teammate or media member. I haven't changed my opinion based on anything you have written.

so when the ball sticks to him too much and he takes too many ill-advised shots you don't deduce that he doesn't respect his teammates or doesn't trust his teammates. ok fine.

then what do you deduce about his regard for his teammates when you see the ball sticking to him too much and he takes too many ill-advised shots?

I deduced that you were writing your opinion and not something factual or reported. Similar to your analysis of Carmelo's shoulder through your television or when you shared your view on genetics I don't agree with you.

never mind my opinion about his minor shoulder tear on his left non-shooting shoulder or the fact that he has never been in supreme nba shape.

i am asking about something totally unrelated: what do you deduce about his regard for his teammates when you see the ball sticking to him too much and him taking too many ill-advised shots?

dk7th wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

I deduced that you were writing your opinion and not something factual or reported. Similar to your analysis of Carmelo's shoulder through your television or when you shared your view on genetics I don't agree with you.

never mind my opinion about his minor shoulder tear on his left non-shooting shoulder or the fact that he has never been in supreme nba shape.

i am asking about something totally unrelated: what do you deduce about his regard for his teammates when you see the ball sticking to him too much and him taking too many ill-advised shots?

I deduce that he is a very good to great offensive player who is surrounded by not so good offensive players and is being told by his coach to hold the ball and take shots. I further deduce that this strategy was effective during the regular season leading to 54 wins. I deduce that it did not work out as well in the playoffs, so the Knicks added a player this year who they think can help with their offensive strategy going forward.

I deduce that nothing that most of us say on this board means anything to you as based on your posts, you think you are smarter regarding basketball than most here. I deduce that your opinion of Melo is deep rooted and will not change because in the past you have expressed genetic/racial bias regarding his work ethic and you continue to downplay any injuries he might have. I deduce that it is a wasted effort for me to even make this post, however I was looking for something to pass the time over my cheerios.

jrodmc wrote:

foosballnick wrote:

dk7th wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:
I deduced that you were writing your opinion and not something factual or reported. Similar to your analysis of Carmelo's shoulder through your television or when you shared your view on genetics I don't agree with you.

never mind my opinion about his minor shoulder tear on his left non-shooting shoulder or the fact that he has never been in supreme nba shape.

i am asking about something totally unrelated: what do you deduce about his regard for his teammates when you see the ball sticking to him too much and him taking too many ill-advised shots?

I deduce that he is a very good to great offensive player who is surrounded by not so good offensive players and is being told by his coach to hold the ball and take shots. I further deduce that this strategy was effective during the regular season leading to 54 wins. I deduce that it did not work out as well in the playoffs, so the Knicks added a player this year who they think can help with their offensive strategy going forward.

I deduce that nothing that most of us say on this board means anything to you as based on your posts, you think you are smarter regarding basketball than most here. I deduce that your opinion of Melo is deep rooted and will not change because in the past you have expressed genetic/racial bias regarding his work ethic and you continue to downplay any injuries he might have. I deduce that it is a wasted effort for me to even make this post, however I was looking for something to pass the time over my cheerios.

+1 to the 115th power. Very good deductive reasoning.

Still, everyone knows that Melo's a fat, ball-hogging slob, who's selfish, black hole approach to both the game and life itself has kept this franchise from fulfilling it's destiny of building a team the "right" way and winning several chips in the process.

Although there's little to no documentation to support most of those deductions, anyone who watches at least a dozen games per year can tell that his teammates loathe him, and he obviously loathes them.

[Hey Bonn, a lot of this is just sarcasm, okay?]

dk7th wrote:+1 to the 115th power = 1