CrushAlot wrote:

tkf wrote:

dk7th wrote:people want to ignore the fact that Ujiri is the raptors GM and this was essentially his first move, dumping yet another overpaid and inefficient tweener on the knicks.

and got 3 picks out of it.. wow!

The man is brilliant. Kind of casts doubt on the theory that he would have allowed Carmelo to become a free agent without getting anything for him though.

tkf wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

tkf wrote:

NYKBocker wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

azamatbagatov wrote:All you guys talking up Bargnani's game know damn well you wouldn't have been saying the same things about it 2 months ago when he was wearing a Raptors jersey. The guy is a terribly flawed player who is ok at scoring and putrid in every other option of the game. My opinion on his game hasn't changed in years because his game hasn't changed in years. He wears a knicks uniform now and all of those things go away? He's untapped potential at 28? (His age when the season starts)Please

I cant argue with anything you said. Look we all love the knicks and we all hope Bargnani actually contributes well for us. However liek you said Bargnani does has flaws and he has to make improvements in order to get more positive reaction for the fanbase. I always support the knicks players but they still need to earn it

I think I am actually one of the few that liked Bargs game. djsunyc is his number one fan. I think he would have been perfect here last year also. I followed the Rockets also last year and thought he would be perfect there as well as a stretch 4. Gotta stop looking at imperfections and look more if the player fits the team as is. Bargs is going to surprise a lot of people.

the only way he will surprise me is if he defends and rebounds.. I won't be holding my breath..

will he have some good scoring games? probably.. but again, how will that surprise anyone?

This is from the coach of the Italian Team in response to Bargs missing the first two games of euro basket,

"It disrupts our technical process by not allowing us to make use of options that only a center with the characteristics of 'il Mago' [Bargnani] can give us.

I think it has been said a number of times, it is important to focus on Bargs strengths. I think he will be a grat addition to the Knicks.

you guys are reaching.... the cliche's are fine, but then there is reality.. you can say that about any player.. "focus on their strenghts".. Ok, so why didn't we do that with novak? camby? why do we complain about amare?

here are two things I know the knicks need... Rebounding and points in the paint.. he provides none of that...

so yea, focus on his strenghts.. which are?

tkf wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

tkf wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

tkf wrote:

NYKBocker wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

azamatbagatov wrote:All you guys talking up Bargnani's game know damn well you wouldn't have been saying the same things about it 2 months ago when he was wearing a Raptors jersey. The guy is a terribly flawed player who is ok at scoring and putrid in every other option of the game. My opinion on his game hasn't changed in years because his game hasn't changed in years. He wears a knicks uniform now and all of those things go away? He's untapped potential at 28? (His age when the season starts)Please

I cant argue with anything you said. Look we all love the knicks and we all hope Bargnani actually contributes well for us. However liek you said Bargnani does has flaws and he has to make improvements in order to get more positive reaction for the fanbase. I always support the knicks players but they still need to earn it

I think I am actually one of the few that liked Bargs game. djsunyc is his number one fan. I think he would have been perfect here last year also. I followed the Rockets also last year and thought he would be perfect there as well as a stretch 4. Gotta stop looking at imperfections and look more if the player fits the team as is. Bargs is going to surprise a lot of people.

the only way he will surprise me is if he defends and rebounds.. I won't be holding my breath..

will he have some good scoring games? probably.. but again, how will that surprise anyone?

This is from the coach of the Italian Team in response to Bargs missing the first two games of euro basket,

"It disrupts our technical process by not allowing us to make use of options that only a center with the characteristics of 'il Mago' [Bargnani] can give us.

I think it has been said a number of times, it is important to focus on Bargs strengths. I think he will be a grat addition to the Knicks.

you guys are reaching.... the cliche's are fine, but then there is reality.. you can say that about any player.. "focus on their strenghts".. Ok, so why didn't we do that with novak? camby? why do we complain about amare?

here are two things I know the knicks need... Rebounding and points in the paint.. he provides none of that...

so yea, focus on his strenghts.. which are?

I was focusing on his coaches comments and the fact that he has unique talents for a guy that is 7'1 in shoes.

That Italian coach is going to speak in a positive tone about every single one of his players.. what the coach didn't say is that those unique talents hasn't translated to much on the NBA level.. something basketball fans who are not trying to sell this guy as some sort of savior understands...

I never could understand knicks fans... if you are dying of thirst and someone hands you peanut butter instead of water.. you will spin it as it being the creamiest peanut butter on the market... You well know as does everyone else trying to sell this guy, that he is not what the knicks needed... This stretch 4 Bull crap is hilarious... we clearly got our azzes handed to us in the paint and on the board.. and we add a 7'1 soft, non rebounding jump shooter...

I don't care what his italian coach says.. as far as I am concerned that fool is party responsible why bargnani isn't worth a damn for his size... teach this guy how to rebound and play 7'1...

I would not be quoting that coach.....

CrushAlot wrote:

tkf wrote:

dk7th wrote:people want to ignore the fact that Ujiri is the raptors GM and this was essentially his first move, dumping yet another overpaid and inefficient tweener on the knicks.

and got 3 picks out of it.. wow!

The man is brilliant. Kind of casts doubt on the theory that he would have allowed Carmelo to become a free agent without getting anything for him though.

what it shows is that ujiri played on carmelo's "money comes first" approach combined with an all-too-willing trade partner in isaiah dolan.

with bargnani it was a simple matter of preying upon a knicks franchise that increasingly looks like it is making isaiah thomas-like moves.

where there's smoke there's fire.

And the picks we gave up are can be had again if we ever trade out a player.

Then there are guys like Leslie that get picked up because some teams want to stash euro's.

TKF, I'd have to say you usually make sense but your fighting every move under a false concept that the team looks out into the future using blue chip players.

Tyler is a defective former wunderkind who ignorantly left highschool at 17 and has not found his bluechip status. Greg Oden at the same time was the no. 1 pick and has been an utter disaster! Basically no. 1 picks can be a trecherous place to be in some years. Durant, like Mike JOrdan was the alternative pick (jordan went 3rd behind Hakeem).

Point:

This is the Knicks and this is how your team is going about its business. It will try to trade and/or keep salary cap open to get the starphuch and build around it. No clear way to build a champion in any route you go.

I've thrown in the towel and accept it. Whats the choice? Rant on and on?

YOu think doing so will change anything?

Nalod wrote:Point:

This is the Knicks and this is how your team is going about its business. It will try to trade and/or keep salary cap open to get the starphuch and build around it. No clear way to build a champion in any route you go.

I've thrown in the towel and accept it. Whats the choice? Rant on and on?

YOu think doing so will change anything?

This.

ChuckBuck wrote:

dk7th wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

tkf wrote:

dk7th wrote:people want to ignore the fact that Ujiri is the raptors GM and this was essentially his first move, dumping yet another overpaid and inefficient tweener on the knicks.

and got 3 picks out of it.. wow!

The man is brilliant. Kind of casts doubt on the theory that he would have allowed Carmelo to become a free agent without getting anything for him though.

what it shows is that ujiri played on carmelo's "money comes first" approach combined with an all-too-willing trade partner in isaiah dolan.

with bargnani it was a simple matter of preying upon a knicks franchise that increasingly looks like it is making isaiah thomas-like moves.

where there's smoke there's fire.

But isn't Bargnani the anti Isiah move? He's only on the books for the next 2 seasons.

We shed salary(Camby and Novak) for 2015 didn't we?!!!

Dam, Isiah Dolan getting fiscally responsible in his old age.

look at what you're saying-- the fact that we're even talking 2015 means concession.

and two years on bargnani is pure happenstance-- it remains a slapdash lineup of overpaid underachievers. thomas likes to recycle and use retreads-- "welcome to the playoffs!" yuuuuck

dk7th wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

tkf wrote:

dk7th wrote:people want to ignore the fact that Ujiri is the raptors GM and this was essentially his first move, dumping yet another overpaid and inefficient tweener on the knicks.

and got 3 picks out of it.. wow!

The man is brilliant. Kind of casts doubt on the theory that he would have allowed Carmelo to become a free agent without getting anything for him though.

what it shows is that ujiri played on carmelo's "money comes first" approach combined with an all-too-willing trade partner in isaiah dolan.

with bargnani it was a simple matter of preying upon a knicks franchise that increasingly looks like it is making isaiah thomas-like moves.

where there's smoke there's fire.

Trade was a long time ago. Denver and knicks long moved on.

Nothing on TV watching Denver and see how out old friends are doing. Other than that, moved on.

Want to see CJ leslie dunk in traffic, hang 22 in his 10th game and we can lament how we can't afford to resign him!

dk7th wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

dk7th wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

tkf wrote:

dk7th wrote:people want to ignore the fact that Ujiri is the raptors GM and this was essentially his first move, dumping yet another overpaid and inefficient tweener on the knicks.

and got 3 picks out of it.. wow!

The man is brilliant. Kind of casts doubt on the theory that he would have allowed Carmelo to become a free agent without getting anything for him though.

what it shows is that ujiri played on carmelo's "money comes first" approach combined with an all-too-willing trade partner in isaiah dolan.

with bargnani it was a simple matter of preying upon a knicks franchise that increasingly looks like it is making isaiah thomas-like moves.

where there's smoke there's fire.

But isn't Bargnani the anti Isiah move? He's only on the books for the next 2 seasons.

We shed salary(Camby and Novak) for 2015 didn't we?!!!

Dam, Isiah Dolan getting fiscally responsible in his old age.

look at what you're saying-- the fact that we're even talking 2015 means concession.

and two years on bargnani is pure happenstance-- it remains a slapdash lineup of overpaid underachievers. thomas likes to recycle and use retreads-- "welcome to the playoffs!" yuuuuck

One cannot look ahead while still being competitive? Isn't that a good thing to have? Isn't that what Miami, LA, and a bunch of other really good teams are doing too?

To each to their own, I guess.

I like finally making the playoffs and at least having a chance to advance now.

dk7th wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

tkf wrote:

dk7th wrote:people want to ignore the fact that Ujiri is the raptors GM and this was essentially his first move, dumping yet another overpaid and inefficient tweener on the knicks.

and got 3 picks out of it.. wow!

The man is brilliant. Kind of casts doubt on the theory that he would have allowed Carmelo to become a free agent without getting anything for him though.

what it shows is that ujiri played on carmelo's "money comes first" approach combined with an all-too-willing trade partner in isaiah dolan.

with bargnani it was a simple matter of preying upon a knicks franchise that increasingly looks like it is making isaiah thomas-like moves.

where there's smoke there's fire.

Didn't the godly Ujiri trade Afflalo and a first rounder for nothing? (Iggy walked)