dk7th wrote:

TeamBall wrote:

dk7th wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

tkf wrote:

dk7th wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

dk7th wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

callmened wrote:Exactly...next step is getting an elite all-around player so melo can be the side kick

That's the next step for 90% of the league!

I still belive that melo should have waited until Free Agency to sign with us. Then we could have used those assets we traded to get another top player along with melo

It's true but we can never blame him for wanting security in a lockout season. We would all want the same. I'm sure if he could do it all over again he would have structured his contract like the big 3 who were all free agents at the same time and all from his draft class. Then he would have signed with us outright in 2010 with amare.

speak for yourself! nobody seems to understand "order of magnitude", ie powers of ten.

The Nuggets were not waiting to lose Melo for nothing like the Raps and Cavs had just done with their franchise players. Melo wanted a deal before the owners locked out the players to reign in free agency with a new cba. The whole Melo has a flawed character thing because he 'didn't wait' to sign as a free agent is so off base in my opinion. It really is like a twelve year old making up a ridiculous trade proposal. The Nuggets were supposed to let Melo leave for nothing so that the Knicks could sign him without giving up anything and Melo was supposed to wait until after the lockout with a new cha in place and take 25 million less so that he could leave and become a knick. I don't know how any logical person that knows what the situation can suggest that this was what was supposed to happen.

15 million less and yes he should have taken less money. if denver tried to move him somewhere and he said "i am not signing an extension with anyone but the knicks" they would have been forced to keep him because no other team would take a 3 month rental and the knicks could have simply waited it out. my opinion is that he had control over his own destiny but he kept mum because money was more important than a winning situation.

please tell me where i am wrong here as i am not as savvy as you when it come to all the contractual nuances. i think what i have said makes perfect sense and should have happened especially now that some melo supporters are starting to express regret on his behalf.

order of magnitude is not too difficult to grasp, especially when we are talking tens of millions. i don't know why you can't address that head on.

exactly, I am not sure why it is hard to understand that denver had very little leverage here.. had carmelo said, no matter where you trade me, other than NY I will not sign an extension.... but no, he kept quiet, played stupid and pretty much watched the team he was going to, get into a cold war with the nets as he price was run up... He just wanted his money.. so Yea, I can blame him.. dude is a joke.. always has been to be honest..

I guess if you ignore that the figure was actually 25 million less, that the owners were telling the players they were locking them out to reign in free agency, that other teams were chasing Melo hard, and Denver wasn't going to lose him for nothing like the raps and cavs had with their franchise players your theory makes sense. Denver getting nothing for Melo and Melo giving up 25 million so the Knicks could get him makes sense? Everyone loses except for the Knicks who win big. Does that really sound realistic?

nobody seems to want to address the possibility of him making the statement i have now put in 3 different posts.

all he had to do was say "i am not signing an extension with anyone but the new york knicks. if another team wants my services for the balance of the season they are welcome to them but i have no intention of playing anywhere else in 2011-2012. if there are no takers then i will fulfill my duties as an employee of the denver nuggets."

i take the non-answers and evasions as a tacit acknowledgement that he could have said those words.

you see here is what some knick fans resent about carmelo anthony: he thinks he is getting paid to play and entertain but in reality these professionals are being paid to win. that is what being a professional athlete is really about: winning.

when you stop to think about how much carmelo anthony will have earned as an nba player you soon realize how terribly misguided it was for him to prioritize making as much money as possible at that moment in time. he will have earned around 200 million dollars by the time of his retirement. therefore 25 million represents only a 13% decrease. now if he were earning $200,000 per year that would be hard to take.

if he were earning 2 million a year that would be not nearly so hard to take.

but he is earning 20 million a year. that is not hard to take at all and in fact, in reality, the difference between 20 million and 17.5 million a year has zero impact on his way of life.

what it does affect, clearly, is his ego. i think he made stupid choice.

"order of magnitude" would mean that he would go from earning 20 million dollars to only 2 million dollars a year. but he is still averaging 10s of millions of dollars for the bulk of his career.

he saw losing out on 25 million dollars as if in a vacuum, without the context i have now v.e.r.y c.a.r.e.f.u.l.l.y spelled out for you and others of similar mindsets.

Who exactly are you talking about? Me and like 4 other posters have said the same exact thing in other threads. You're correct. Had he said and maintained that he would sign extension with NY and NY only, things may have turned out differently.

okay thank you! now who are these others you are mentioning?

I dont really see how you can dispute that point either. The only reason the Nets stayed in it as long as they did is because Melo allowed them to by entertaining the idea of signing an extension with them. Im not mad at him for wanting his money though.

Knixkik wrote:

dk7th wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

tkf wrote:

dk7th wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

dk7th wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

callmened wrote:Exactly...next step is getting an elite all-around player so melo can be the side kick

That's the next step for 90% of the league!

I still belive that melo should have waited until Free Agency to sign with us. Then we could have used those assets we traded to get another top player along with melo

It's true but we can never blame him for wanting security in a lockout season. We would all want the same. I'm sure if he could do it all over again he would have structured his contract like the big 3 who were all free agents at the same time and all from his draft class. Then he would have signed with us outright in 2010 with amare.

speak for yourself! nobody seems to understand "order of magnitude", ie powers of ten.

The Nuggets were not waiting to lose Melo for nothing like the Raps and Cavs had just done with their franchise players. Melo wanted a deal before the owners locked out the players to reign in free agency with a new cba. The whole Melo has a flawed character thing because he 'didn't wait' to sign as a free agent is so off base in my opinion. It really is like a twelve year old making up a ridiculous trade proposal. The Nuggets were supposed to let Melo leave for nothing so that the Knicks could sign him without giving up anything and Melo was supposed to wait until after the lockout with a new cha in place and take 25 million less so that he could leave and become a knick. I don't know how any logical person that knows what the situation can suggest that this was what was supposed to happen.

15 million less and yes he should have taken less money. if denver tried to move him somewhere and he said "i am not signing an extension with anyone but the knicks" they would have been forced to keep him because no other team would take a 3 month rental and the knicks could have simply waited it out. my opinion is that he had control over his own destiny but he kept mum because money was more important than a winning situation.

please tell me where i am wrong here as i am not as savvy as you when it come to all the contractual nuances. i think what i have said makes perfect sense and should have happened especially now that some melo supporters are starting to express regret on his behalf.

order of magnitude is not too difficult to grasp, especially when we are talking tens of millions. i don't know why you can't address that head on.

exactly, I am not sure why it is hard to understand that denver had very little leverage here.. had carmelo said, no matter where you trade me, other than NY I will not sign an extension.... but no, he kept quiet, played stupid and pretty much watched the team he was going to, get into a cold war with the nets as he price was run up... He just wanted his money.. so Yea, I can blame him.. dude is a joke.. always has been to be honest..

I guess if you ignore that the figure was actually 25 million less, that the owners were telling the players they were locking them out to reign in free agency, that other teams were chasing Melo hard, and Denver wasn't going to lose him for nothing like the raps and cavs had with their franchise players your theory makes sense. Denver getting nothing for Melo and Melo giving up 25 million so the Knicks could get him makes sense? Everyone loses except for the Knicks who win big. Does that really sound realistic?

nobody seems to want to address the possibility of him making the statement i have now put in 3 different posts.

all he had to do was say "i am not signing an extension with anyone but the new york knicks. if another team wants my services for the balance of the season they are welcome to them but i have no intention of playing anywhere else in 2011-2012. if there are no takers then i will fulfill my duties as an employee of the denver nuggets."

i take the non-answers and evasions as a tacit acknowledgement that he could have said those words.

you see here is what some knick fans resent about carmelo anthony: he thinks he is getting paid to play and entertain but in reality these professionals are being paid to win. that is what being a professional athlete is really about: winning.

when you stop to think about how much carmelo anthony will have earned as an nba player you soon realize how terribly misguided it was for him to prioritize making as much money as possible at that moment in time. he will have earned around 200 million dollars by the time of his retirement. therefore 25 million represents only a 13% decrease. now if he were earning $200,000 per year that would be hard to take.

if he were earning 2 million a year that would be not nearly so hard to take.

but he is earning 20 million a year. that is not hard to take at all and in fact, in reality, the difference between 20 million and 17.5 million a year has zero impact on his way of life.

what it does affect, clearly, is his ego. i think he made stupid choice.

"order of magnitude" would mean that he would go from earning 20 million dollars to only 2 million dollars a year. but he is still averaging 10s of millions of dollars for the bulk of his career.

he saw losing out on 25 million dollars as if in a vacuum, without the context i have now v.e.r.y c.a.r.e.f.u.l.l.y spelled out for you and others of similar mindsets.

Of course he wanted to get paid, but you keep forgetting it was also a lockout season. Having that security of a guaranteed contract was equally, if not more important than the specific dollar amount. Anyone who plays basketball know they can go down with a career ending injury playing pickup. Its a huge part of the equation you seem to forget. Had it not been for the pending lockout with all the question marks, it may have gone differently as well.

you might have a point there, albeit extremely weak. it's a deplorable position to negotiate from. you are saying that he really wanted to get traded so that if he got hurt he would still be able to earn millions? don't know how any man can live that way. seems like guys are coming back from achilles tears, acl and mcl and meniscus stuff, herniated discs, etc all the time.

dk7th wrote:

Knixkik wrote:Of course he wanted to get paid, but you keep forgetting it was also a lockout season. Having that security of a guaranteed contract was equally, if not more important than the specific dollar amount. Anyone who plays basketball know they can go down with a career ending injury playing pickup. Its a huge part of the equation you seem to forget. Had it not been for the pending lockout with all the question marks, it may have gone differently as well.

you might have a point there, albeit extremely weak. it's a deplorable position to negotiate from. you are saying that he really wanted to get traded so that if he got hurt he would still be able to earn millions? don't know how any man can live that way. seems like guys are coming back from achilles tears, acl and mcl and meniscus stuff, herniated discs, etc all the time.

tkf wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

ShellTopAdidas wrote:I don't care how hard it is, what we've been doing hasn't been working. First Marbury and his crew, now Melo and his cronies. Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results. Maybe it's time to try the draft route, just to shake things up!

We tried the draft route. Our lottery picks consisted of Sweetneu, frye, Galliani, and Jordan hill. 3 duds and 1 ok pick.

sweetney is out of the league.. gallo is a future allstar starting on a 57 win team... Jordan hill was a rotation player for the lakers and frye for the suns... 3 duds? the only dud in this deal is the one making 20 mil shooting bricks for the knicks..

Overhyping gallo much? He's a good role player. The dud you referring to led the league in scoring. Good try though.

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Knixkik wrote:

tkf wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

ShellTopAdidas wrote:I don't care how hard it is, what we've been doing hasn't been working. First Marbury and his crew, now Melo and his cronies. Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results. Maybe it's time to try the draft route, just to shake things up!

We tried the draft route. Our lottery picks consisted of Sweetneu, frye, Galliani, and Jordan hill. 3 duds and 1 ok pick.

sweetney is out of the league.. gallo is a future allstar starting on a 57 win team... Jordan hill was a rotation player for the lakers and frye for the suns... 3 duds? the only dud in this deal is the one making 20 mil shooting bricks for the knicks..

Overhyping gallo much? He's a good role player. The dud you referring to led the league in scoring. Good try though.

of course he is, he's too busy caressing his gallo and jeremy. Of course he'd love a foursome with Landry, but ever since he knocked up his model chick, that's not too likely. Maybe DK can join the foursome fun.

Sorry dude, but Gallo's probably not going to be an all star anytime soon. Just way too many guys ahead of him on the totem pole. Durant and Griffin will lead the west in votes for the next decade or so. Howard, if in the West, will probably be in the game too. Dirk and Timmy will be around for at least 4-5 years. Kevin Love will be an all star, if healthy, and LMA should be there too, leaving the Gallo out of the game.

are you proud of this post?

Knixkik wrote:

tkf wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

ShellTopAdidas wrote:I don't care how hard it is, what we've been doing hasn't been working. First Marbury and his crew, now Melo and his cronies. Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results. Maybe it's time to try the draft route, just to shake things up!

We tried the draft route. Our lottery picks consisted of Sweetneu, frye, Galliani, and Jordan hill. 3 duds and 1 ok pick.

sweetney is out of the league.. gallo is a future allstar starting on a 57 win team... Jordan hill was a rotation player for the lakers and frye for the suns... 3 duds? the only dud in this deal is the one making 20 mil shooting bricks for the knicks..

Overhyping gallo much? He's a good role player. The dud you referring to led the league in scoring. Good try though.

LOL... gotta hang onto that gift from durant..

guess what the dud also leads in... worst playoff record.... yikes...

tkf wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

tkf wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

tkf wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

ShellTopAdidas wrote:I don't care how hard it is, what we've been doing hasn't been working. First Marbury and his crew, now Melo and his cronies. Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results. Maybe it's time to try the draft route, just to shake things up!

We tried the draft route. Our lottery picks consisted of Sweetneu, frye, Galliani, and Jordan hill. 3 duds and 1 ok pick.

sweetney is out of the league.. gallo is a future allstar starting on a 57 win team... Jordan hill was a rotation player for the lakers and frye for the suns... 3 duds? the only dud in this deal is the one making 20 mil shooting bricks for the knicks..

Frye was a disappointment and now has been diagnosed with an enlarged heart. I don't think there is a time line for him coming back. Gallo broke down again and may miss most if not all of next season. His career appeared to be on the upswing but the guy can't keep healthy. He was unable to play internationally over the summer because of back and shoulder problems if I recall correctly. Jordan Hill was also a disappointment and certainly wasn't done any favors during his time in NY. I liked him on the Lakers this year before he tore something in his hip but this was the first year that he actually did anything consistently. I used to post his stats after he had decent games because I was really upset with how he was coached in NY and with the McGrady trade. Melo is a top 5 player whether you like him or not. He is a world beater compared to those guys collectively or individually in my opinion.

Gallo broke down again? rofl this is the first majop injury of his career..

lakers gave jordan hill a new contract.. what are you talking about?

Frye was a goodplayer for the suns before his situation...

Melo is a top 5 player whether you like him or not.

in your eyes.. and even so.. what has that gotten the knicks?

NOTHING!!!

This guy and his greed and stupidity along with dolan set this franchise back years.... just watch...

Gallinari has missed significant time every year but his second. He has played over 2000 minutes twice in a 6 year career. You could exclude the lockout shortened season but he missed a third of it. He may miss all of next year. In year 8 he will be trying to complete his second season without missing significant time due to injury.

thanks to tractor traylor gallo missed a lot of his rookie year.. since then he played in 257 games, just 11 games less than the 20 million dollar loser.... go figure..

tkf wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

tkf wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

tkf wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

ShellTopAdidas wrote:I don't care how hard it is, what we've been doing hasn't been working. First Marbury and his crew, now Melo and his cronies. Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results. Maybe it's time to try the draft route, just to shake things up!

We tried the draft route. Our lottery picks consisted of Sweetneu, frye, Galliani, and Jordan hill. 3 duds and 1 ok pick.

sweetney is out of the league.. gallo is a future allstar starting on a 57 win team... Jordan hill was a rotation player for the lakers and frye for the suns... 3 duds? the only dud in this deal is the one making 20 mil shooting bricks for the knicks..

Overhyping gallo much? He's a good role player. The dud you referring to led the league in scoring. Good try though.

LOL... gotta hang onto that gift from durant..

guess what the dud also leads in... worst playoff record.... yikes...

Been there 11 out of 11 years. Got us to the second round. I'm sure gallo's 15 pts 5 Rebs and 41% shooting would have got us much further. You can hate a player like Melo and love and player like gallo, but your opinions of them are pure comedy.

Sorry man but with the Knicks winning a playoff series and the division, the nuggets flopping, gallo the same player he's been for 4 years, and Melos huge year, you should stop why you're not too much further behind. I know, I know the Knicks are going nowhere and the nuggets are a title contender, gallo an allstar, and every team building thru the draft right now a contender within 3 years. Sounds good.

I dunno would have loved to see where walsh was taking that team, maybe he trades gallo in a deal for a real star, maybe we add a real star in free agency.. who knows.. what I do know is that gallo was part of a fun Nugget team that won 57 games in the west... His career is far from being written.

instead we are saddled with a physically breaking down hump who makes 20 mil a year and is a playoff loser.. you are just delusional about carmelo bro... I will take this one step further for you since you keep wanting to pull the gallo card.. I had no problem with the knicks to trading gallo for a REAL star.. so now you can't keep riding that horse... try another argument.. make carmelo stand on his own.. you can't.. you know why, his ugly history speaks for itself... if you are ok with sending the knicks into the abyss to get this clown, then have at it... I want more..

it's sad you have to go at gallo to try to defend carmelo.. ok, lets do this.. gallo sucks, chandler sucks, the picks in the future will suck.. NOW... man up MAKE Carmelo stand on his own..... I know you won't and can't.....

I think gallo was brought into the conversation because you said gallo, hill, and frye were good picks by the Knicks when another poster used those players as an example of why the Knicks should not try to build through the draft.

CrushAlot wrote:

tkf wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

tkf wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

tkf wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

ShellTopAdidas wrote:I don't care how hard it is, what we've been doing hasn't been working. First Marbury and his crew, now Melo and his cronies. Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results. Maybe it's time to try the draft route, just to shake things up!

We tried the draft route. Our lottery picks consisted of Sweetneu, frye, Galliani, and Jordan hill. 3 duds and 1 ok pick.

sweetney is out of the league.. gallo is a future allstar starting on a 57 win team... Jordan hill was a rotation player for the lakers and frye for the suns... 3 duds? the only dud in this deal is the one making 20 mil shooting bricks for the knicks..

Overhyping gallo much? He's a good role player. The dud you referring to led the league in scoring. Good try though.

LOL... gotta hang onto that gift from durant..

guess what the dud also leads in... worst playoff record.... yikes...

Been there 11 out of 11 years. Got us to the second round. I'm sure gallo's 15 pts 5 Rebs and 41% shooting would have got us much further. You can hate a player like Melo and love and player like gallo, but your opinions of them are pure comedy.

Sorry man but with the Knicks winning a playoff series and the division, the nuggets flopping, gallo the same player he's been for 4 years, and Melos huge year, you should stop why you're not too much further behind. I know, I know the Knicks are going nowhere and the nuggets are a title contender, gallo an allstar, and every team building thru the draft right now a contender within 3 years. Sounds good.

I dunno would have loved to see where walsh was taking that team, maybe he trades gallo in a deal for a real star, maybe we add a real star in free agency.. who knows.. what I do know is that gallo was part of a fun Nugget team that won 57 games in the west... His career is far from being written.

instead we are saddled with a physically breaking down hump who makes 20 mil a year and is a playoff loser.. you are just delusional about carmelo bro... I will take this one step further for you since you keep wanting to pull the gallo card.. I had no problem with the knicks to trading gallo for a REAL star.. so now you can't keep riding that horse... try another argument.. make carmelo stand on his own.. you can't.. you know why, his ugly history speaks for itself... if you are ok with sending the knicks into the abyss to get this clown, then have at it... I want more..

it's sad you have to go at gallo to try to defend carmelo.. ok, lets do this.. gallo sucks, chandler sucks, the picks in the future will suck.. NOW... man up MAKE Carmelo stand on his own..... I know you won't and can't.....

I think gallo was brought into the conversation because you said gallo, hill, and frye were good picks by the Knicks when another poster used those players as an example of why the Knicks should not try to build through the draft.

Yup this is the extent of it.

Jmpasq wrote:

tkf wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

tkf wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

tkf wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

ShellTopAdidas wrote:I don't care how hard it is, what we've been doing hasn't been working. First Marbury and his crew, now Melo and his cronies. Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results. Maybe it's time to try the draft route, just to shake things up!

We tried the draft route. Our lottery picks consisted of Sweetneu, frye, Galliani, and Jordan hill. 3 duds and 1 ok pick.

sweetney is out of the league.. gallo is a future allstar starting on a 57 win team... Jordan hill was a rotation player for the lakers and frye for the suns... 3 duds? the only dud in this deal is the one making 20 mil shooting bricks for the knicks..

Overhyping gallo much? He's a good role player. The dud you referring to led the league in scoring. Good try though.

LOL... gotta hang onto that gift from durant..

guess what the dud also leads in... worst playoff record.... yikes...

Been there 11 out of 11 years. Got us to the second round. I'm sure gallo's 15 pts 5 Rebs and 41% shooting would have got us much further. You can hate a player like Melo and love and player like gallo, but your opinions of them are pure comedy.

Sorry man but with the Knicks winning a playoff series and the division, the nuggets flopping, gallo the same player he's been for 4 years, and Melos huge year, you should stop why you're not too much further behind. I know, I know the Knicks are going nowhere and the nuggets are a title contender, gallo an allstar, and every team building thru the draft right now a contender within 3 years. Sounds good.

I dunno would have loved to see where walsh was taking that team, maybe he trades gallo in a deal for a real star, maybe we add a real star in free agency.. who knows.. what I do know is that gallo was part of a fun Nugget team that won 57 games in the west... His career is far from being written.

instead we are saddled with a physically breaking down hump who makes 20 mil a year and is a playoff loser.. you are just delusional about carmelo bro... I will take this one step further for you since you keep wanting to pull the gallo card.. I had no problem with the knicks to trading gallo for a REAL star.. so now you can't keep riding that horse... try another argument.. make carmelo stand on his own.. you can't.. you know why, his ugly history speaks for itself... if you are ok with sending the knicks into the abyss to get this clown, then have at it... I want more..

it's sad you have to go at gallo to try to defend carmelo.. ok, lets do this.. gallo sucks, chandler sucks, the picks in the future will suck.. NOW... man up MAKE Carmelo stand on his own..... I know you won't and can't.....

My guess is Walsh signs Steve Nash to a 3 or 4 year deal at 15 per and the Knicks have 2 broken down players making huge money instead of 1. That is the most logical conclusion where the money would go by the way. Dantoni is still here and the Knicks were hot for Nash.
At least we would be able to build through the draft though because we would be picking in the lottery for sure with Galo,Amare and Nash all injured or just finished.

This would be are likely starting lineup , Probably would of upgraded the Center spot with a mid level exception Center here Starting because we would be capped out at this point with this roster. OJ Mayo probably is on the team 2 as Walsh was always hot for him.

Mozgov

Amare

Galo

Shumpert

Nash

or maybe

Amare

Galo

W CHandler

Shumpert

Nash

I love how u have no problem praising Walsh And his less then stellar picks and talk about building through the draft when the guy gave away basically 2 1st rounders so a team would take Jared Jeffries. Those assets dont matter for some reason with your thinking. Only the assets in the Melo trade are to be scrutinized to death.
I get it the opportunity to sign the best FA in 20 years was there but we DIDN'T GET HIM so we pissed away those assets and then Walsh because of those give away trades compounded the problem panicked & signed Amare. That move for some reason deserves praise. Walsh convinced Dolan to rip it down but his Basketball decisions weren't good. The only move that worked out that I didnt like at the time was drafting Shumpert. Had he drafted better maybe the Knicks dont need to trade for Melo or dont give up as many players because we have guys the Nuggets would want.28-26 that team was with Amare playing out of his mind they werent 37-18.