Bonn1997 wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:Gallo > Melo

End of story!!!

End of story!

Finally!

Now, we can end a thread after 8 pages just because it mentioned our main player had an injury and played through it.

This guy must be really polarizing or something, huh?

jrodmc wrote:

dk7th wrote:

jrodmc wrote:Gallo. We are still posting about Gallo.

Building around Stat. Memories from 2010. Good morning, it's 2013 and no one really cares anymore about broken glass and glass knees! Stat has gotten a career pass here, and will retire a Knick because no one else wants that contract.

Equating Melo with Marbles, possibly because they both start with M.

Followed by the requisite back pats.
Have you three ever considered creating your own Knicks site?

Imagine the fun and lucid conversations you could have on the glories of Gallo come home, Stat in the HOF, and the "rail" we were on in 2010, all completely uniterrupted by .... Knicks fans.

you may not want to talk about the trade but apparently holfresh and other fans of dolan, isaiah, and melo do.

without it they have absolutely no argumentative leverage at all because, looking at carmelo anthony's career as a whole, the trade is the only "unprovable hypothetical" from which to argue his value. that is, "the knicks are in far better shape with melo" versus "the knicks are in worse shape with melo."

if you remove the trade from the argument and look at melo's body of work over ten years what you come away with is an also-ran fool's gold player who is far closer to zero-sum than his acolytes want to believe.

there are always excuses for melo's underachieving in the nba and it's also never melo's fault. gallinari HAS TO get maligned as part of this meme because he is the opposite of carmelo anthony in so many ways: many of these ways come under the category of advanced stats, he plays at a bargain salary, he has zero interest in playing hero-ball, and prefers to do all the little things, the detail things.

if you wanna stop talking about gallinari then start assessing carmelo anthony honestly!

The difference between the second round of the playoffs versus seasons of .300 ball never did and never will sway your thinking much, will it?

Gallo plays at a bargain salary? This is what you lead with? Do you have some sort of Marxist Nirvana complex you're suffering from? Have you heard the USSR fell apart about 20 years ago?

Did you ever consider your boy has zero interest in playing hero ball for a reason other than your deranged fantasies of advanced stats? Is that even possible to you? How were Gallo's advanced stats during these playoffs? Bet they were pretty advanced, huh?

Let me ask you, were you one of those who thought the Bulls should have been built around Toni Kukoc?

CrushAlot wrote:

3G4G wrote:

TeamBall wrote:

3G4G wrote:

TeamBall wrote:

3G4G wrote:

TeamBall wrote:Frank Isola @FisolaNYDN

An MRI reveals that Carmelo Anthony is suffering from a small left shoulder tear, Daily News has learned. Knicks hopeful no surgery needed

Frank Isola @FisolaNYDN

The plan, according to a Knicks source, is to give Carmelo's shoulder 3 to 4 weeks to heal on its own. If not, then surgery is probable

http://theknicksblog.com/knicks/isola-mri-shows-melo-has-slight-tear-in-left-shoulder/

Yet he kept shooting at an alarming rate, even higher than regular season. Should have been going for more.... "HOCKEY ASSISTS"

Oh well the excuses may continue to eternity.

3G c'mon man. The past couple of days you've been exclusively talking about his shooting percentage (__ PACENT!!). Before you jump to the next thing you can use to put him down, at least acknowledge that maybe his horrible shooting percentage can be attributed to his injury. For the record, I agree that he should have found other ways to contribute.

Yet fans want to bash Amar'e for being injured even when he came back and played, although at times not his best? Yet fans slammed Lin for not coming back from a tear in his knee? I'm questioning how injured he was. If you're that injured then do less of what causes injury aggravation....such as other things.

Fans are looking for an out, I'm looking for what will change outcome...in particular the future. Let's say he's injured in next year's playoffs and it's his knee does he adjust?

Also Melo the past 2yrs has been very injury prone to the extent it affects results....I guess that comes with getting older and the body breaking down. But he said at season's begin this is the best shape he's ever been in.

At some point TeamBall the excuses have to stop but when it comes to Carmelo he's had 1 every yr. Can you name me another athlete where this is the case?

Im talking about how you went around the boards after we were eliminated killing Melo for specifically his shooting percentage. Now that info has come out that could explain his poor shooting, cant you let up a little?

And im agreeing with you that he needs to do other things. I got on Felton for shooting so much when his hand was messed up so its only fair that I treat Melo the same way. However, this isnt really an excuse so much as it is recognition that he played with a serious injury. One that could have had an impact on his shooting.

It depends on who you ask. Im sure theres players on other teams that get all the excuses from fans while others get bashed. Hell, 2 seasons ago, Gallinari used to get praised for doing a lot of the things Wilson would get killed for. It just depends on who you ask. I actually think this the first year Melo hasnt gotten destroyed by the general public. Unless you're only talking about here when you say he always has an excuse.

No TeamBall I'm not going to ease up on his shooting PACENTAGE due to shoulder injury because IMO his shooting PACENTAGE wouldn't have been that bad if he facilitated more.

Not sure what it's going to take to get this point through your thick skull.

You do understand he shot more FGA in the Playoffs with what you deem a serious injury than he did during the regular season. Explain to me why his FGA increased by 5-6/gm in the playoffs?

Pre shoulder injury he shot almost 60% for the month of April. If you are not going to ease up it is not about what he should have done it is about biases and prejudices you have towards this player. The games were just on. Did you see how the rest of the team preformed?

Pablo/Shump(throughout playoffs/Felton played really well Celtic series... not sure what paint brush you're stroking with but dollars to donuts it's broad.

If you're injured find another way to impact the game than just shooting and shooting lights out in 1 month when he shot 45PACENT for the season doesn't define what a player WAS GOING TO DO as you're trying to imply. He shot 54% in April, if you think that's what he was going to do during the playoffs you're simply naive like you prove in the majority of your posting.

Bonn1997 wrote:

Papabear wrote:Papabear Says

It amaze me how we have die hard haters who won't give Melo a pass. well all I can say is get use to it they won't change. All the haters can do is complain. This was a good season compared to the past 13 years. You must understand the Knick ain't going anywhere until we get 2 more star players. The haters will be complaining about Melo for the next 8 years.
Remember Melo will retire a Knick so the haters better get use to Melo because he ain't going anywhere so every negative blog someone writes about Melo. There are 10,000 fans who love him. So until Tkf has enough money to be an owner of the knicks and get rid of Melo you are just blowing in the wind. Nothing you can say nothing you can do will change a thing in the Knicks plans with having Melo here. It would do you good to think positive about Melo because it will keep your blood pressure down.

From me, at least, there are two separate issues. I'll give him a pass for the low FG% for the playoffs because of the shoulder issue. I won't give him a pass for the bad decision-making on offense and not finding other ways to contribute though.

BTW, Maybe thinking more positively about all your fellow Knicks fans (including the so called "die hard haters") will keep your blood pressure down!

My blood pressure was down all season. I didn't think they were better that the Pacers. As a Matter of fact if Melo wants to play another 8 years he better leave the Knicks. First of all they are not going to put a great team around him. they should have waited for Chris Paul instead of Chandler. Now we are stuck. We have a big man who can't score which will make Melos job that much harder. The pounding his body he got this season is the worse in his career. I hope the Knicks do something for him or just let him walk because we are destroying the man. And what the hell was Camby doing sitting on his ass during the playoffs was he injured?? I will say this that the reason why Woody did not play Copeland was because if teams saw how really good he could be they would go after him. Woody thought he could win without Copeland and if he sat him there would be a chance to sign him long term. But I believe that there are better players overseas than Copeland. We just have to find them.

3G4G wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

3G4G wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

3G4G wrote:

TeamBall wrote:

3G4G wrote:

TeamBall wrote:

3G4G wrote:

TeamBall wrote:Frank Isola @FisolaNYDN

An MRI reveals that Carmelo Anthony is suffering from a small left shoulder tear, Daily News has learned. Knicks hopeful no surgery needed

Frank Isola @FisolaNYDN

The plan, according to a Knicks source, is to give Carmelo's shoulder 3 to 4 weeks to heal on its own. If not, then surgery is probable

http://theknicksblog.com/knicks/isola-mri-shows-melo-has-slight-tear-in-left-shoulder/

Yet he kept shooting at an alarming rate, even higher than regular season. Should have been going for more.... "HOCKEY ASSISTS"

Oh well the excuses may continue to eternity.

3G c'mon man. The past couple of days you've been exclusively talking about his shooting percentage (__ PACENT!!). Before you jump to the next thing you can use to put him down, at least acknowledge that maybe his horrible shooting percentage can be attributed to his injury. For the record, I agree that he should have found other ways to contribute.

Yet fans want to bash Amar'e for being injured even when he came back and played, although at times not his best? Yet fans slammed Lin for not coming back from a tear in his knee? I'm questioning how injured he was. If you're that injured then do less of what causes injury aggravation....such as other things.

Fans are looking for an out, I'm looking for what will change outcome...in particular the future. Let's say he's injured in next year's playoffs and it's his knee does he adjust?

Also Melo the past 2yrs has been very injury prone to the extent it affects results....I guess that comes with getting older and the body breaking down. But he said at season's begin this is the best shape he's ever been in.

At some point TeamBall the excuses have to stop but when it comes to Carmelo he's had 1 every yr. Can you name me another athlete where this is the case?

Im talking about how you went around the boards after we were eliminated killing Melo for specifically his shooting percentage. Now that info has come out that could explain his poor shooting, cant you let up a little?

And im agreeing with you that he needs to do other things. I got on Felton for shooting so much when his hand was messed up so its only fair that I treat Melo the same way. However, this isnt really an excuse so much as it is recognition that he played with a serious injury. One that could have had an impact on his shooting.

It depends on who you ask. Im sure theres players on other teams that get all the excuses from fans while others get bashed. Hell, 2 seasons ago, Gallinari used to get praised for doing a lot of the things Wilson would get killed for. It just depends on who you ask. I actually think this the first year Melo hasnt gotten destroyed by the general public. Unless you're only talking about here when you say he always has an excuse.

No TeamBall I'm not going to ease up on his shooting PACENTAGE due to shoulder injury because IMO his shooting PACENTAGE wouldn't have been that bad if he facilitated more.

Not sure what it's going to take to get this point through your thick skull.

You do understand he shot more FGA in the Playoffs with what you deem a serious injury than he did during the regular season. Explain to me why his FGA increased by 5-6/gm in the playoffs?

Pre shoulder injury he shot almost 60% for the month of April. If you are not going to ease up it is not about what he should have done it is about biases and prejudices you have towards this player. The games were just on. Did you see how the rest of the team preformed?

Pablo/Shump(throughout playoffs/Felton played really well Celtic series... not sure paint brush you're stroking with but dollars to donuts it's broad.

If you injured find another way to impact the game than just shooting and shooting lights out in 1 month when he shot 45PACENT for the season doesn't define what a player WAS GOING TO DO as you're trying to imply. He shot 54% in April, if you think that's what he was going to do during the playoffs you're simply naive like you prove in the majority of your posting.

He shot 56% for the month of April per-injury. He was shooting like he did at the start of the season. Did it guarantee he would be unstoppable? nothing is guaranteed but to claim that having his shoulder pop out if socket and his labrom torn didnt impact his shooting or slow him down is just wrong. Pablo shump and Felton had some good moments in the playoffs. They also had games where they provided no offense because they couldn't hit the shots they normally make. If you are suggesting Pablo, shump and Felton had their offense stifled by Anthony and it prevented the Knicks from winning I think you are naive. It isn't about someone being naive with you when it comes to melo. This is about your biases against this player.

Melo shot 53.8% in April Crush that's not 56%...Geeezzzz this is what I'm talking about....

3G4G wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

3G4G wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

3G4G wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

3G4G wrote:

TeamBall wrote:

3G4G wrote:

TeamBall wrote:

3G4G wrote:

TeamBall wrote:Frank Isola @FisolaNYDN

An MRI reveals that Carmelo Anthony is suffering from a small left shoulder tear, Daily News has learned. Knicks hopeful no surgery needed

Frank Isola @FisolaNYDN

The plan, according to a Knicks source, is to give Carmelo's shoulder 3 to 4 weeks to heal on its own. If not, then surgery is probable

http://theknicksblog.com/knicks/isola-mri-shows-melo-has-slight-tear-in-left-shoulder/

Yet he kept shooting at an alarming rate, even higher than regular season. Should have been going for more.... "HOCKEY ASSISTS"

Oh well the excuses may continue to eternity.

3G c'mon man. The past couple of days you've been exclusively talking about his shooting percentage (__ PACENT!!). Before you jump to the next thing you can use to put him down, at least acknowledge that maybe his horrible shooting percentage can be attributed to his injury. For the record, I agree that he should have found other ways to contribute.

Yet fans want to bash Amar'e for being injured even when he came back and played, although at times not his best? Yet fans slammed Lin for not coming back from a tear in his knee? I'm questioning how injured he was. If you're that injured then do less of what causes injury aggravation....such as other things.

Fans are looking for an out, I'm looking for what will change outcome...in particular the future. Let's say he's injured in next year's playoffs and it's his knee does he adjust?

Also Melo the past 2yrs has been very injury prone to the extent it affects results....I guess that comes with getting older and the body breaking down. But he said at season's begin this is the best shape he's ever been in.

At some point TeamBall the excuses have to stop but when it comes to Carmelo he's had 1 every yr. Can you name me another athlete where this is the case?

Im talking about how you went around the boards after we were eliminated killing Melo for specifically his shooting percentage. Now that info has come out that could explain his poor shooting, cant you let up a little?

And im agreeing with you that he needs to do other things. I got on Felton for shooting so much when his hand was messed up so its only fair that I treat Melo the same way. However, this isnt really an excuse so much as it is recognition that he played with a serious injury. One that could have had an impact on his shooting.

It depends on who you ask. Im sure theres players on other teams that get all the excuses from fans while others get bashed. Hell, 2 seasons ago, Gallinari used to get praised for doing a lot of the things Wilson would get killed for. It just depends on who you ask. I actually think this the first year Melo hasnt gotten destroyed by the general public. Unless you're only talking about here when you say he always has an excuse.

No TeamBall I'm not going to ease up on his shooting PACENTAGE due to shoulder injury because IMO his shooting PACENTAGE wouldn't have been that bad if he facilitated more.

Not sure what it's going to take to get this point through your thick skull.

You do understand he shot more FGA in the Playoffs with what you deem a serious injury than he did during the regular season. Explain to me why his FGA increased by 5-6/gm in the playoffs?

Pre shoulder injury he shot almost 60% for the month of April. If you are not going to ease up it is not about what he should have done it is about biases and prejudices you have towards this player. The games were just on. Did you see how the rest of the team preformed?

Pablo/Shump(throughout playoffs/Felton played really well Celtic series... not sure paint brush you're stroking with but dollars to donuts it's broad.

If you injured find another way to impact the game than just shooting and shooting lights out in 1 month when he shot 45PACENT for the season doesn't define what a player WAS GOING TO DO as you're trying to imply. He shot 54% in April, if you think that's what he was going to do during the playoffs you're simply naive like you prove in the majority of your posting.

He shot 56% for the month of April per-injury. He was shooting like he did at the start of the season. Did it guarantee he would be unstoppable? nothing is guaranteed but to claim that having his shoulder pop out if socket and his labrom torn didnt impact his shooting or slow him down is just wrong. Pablo shump and Felton had some good moments in the playoffs. They also had games where they provided no offense because they couldn't hit the shots they normally make. If you are suggesting Pablo, shump and Felton had their offense stifled by Anthony and it prevented the Knicks from winning I think you are naive. It isn't about someone being naive with you when it comes to melo. This is about your biases against this player.

Melo shot 53.8% in April Crush that's not 56%...Geeezzzz this is what I'm talking about....

He was injured in the Pacer game but kept playing. I didn't count that game. That was why I said pre-injury.

Of course not because you're in love with him but what's ironic is...

While dealing with this SO SERIOUS OF A SHOULDER INJURY he managed to increase his shooting PACENTAGE 38 to 43 PACENT.... from the Boston series to the Pacers series?

Sorry all games count in April he shot 53.8% I rounded up to give him 54%

3G4G wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

3G4G wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

3G4G wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

3G4G wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

3G4G wrote:

TeamBall wrote:

3G4G wrote:

TeamBall wrote:

3G4G wrote:

TeamBall wrote:Frank Isola @FisolaNYDN

An MRI reveals that Carmelo Anthony is suffering from a small left shoulder tear, Daily News has learned. Knicks hopeful no surgery needed

Frank Isola @FisolaNYDN

The plan, according to a Knicks source, is to give Carmelo's shoulder 3 to 4 weeks to heal on its own. If not, then surgery is probable

http://theknicksblog.com/knicks/isola-mri-shows-melo-has-slight-tear-in-left-shoulder/

Yet he kept shooting at an alarming rate, even higher than regular season. Should have been going for more.... "HOCKEY ASSISTS"

Oh well the excuses may continue to eternity.

3G c'mon man. The past couple of days you've been exclusively talking about his shooting percentage (__ PACENT!!). Before you jump to the next thing you can use to put him down, at least acknowledge that maybe his horrible shooting percentage can be attributed to his injury. For the record, I agree that he should have found other ways to contribute.

Yet fans want to bash Amar'e for being injured even when he came back and played, although at times not his best? Yet fans slammed Lin for not coming back from a tear in his knee? I'm questioning how injured he was. If you're that injured then do less of what causes injury aggravation....such as other things.

Fans are looking for an out, I'm looking for what will change outcome...in particular the future. Let's say he's injured in next year's playoffs and it's his knee does he adjust?

Also Melo the past 2yrs has been very injury prone to the extent it affects results....I guess that comes with getting older and the body breaking down. But he said at season's begin this is the best shape he's ever been in.

At some point TeamBall the excuses have to stop but when it comes to Carmelo he's had 1 every yr. Can you name me another athlete where this is the case?

Im talking about how you went around the boards after we were eliminated killing Melo for specifically his shooting percentage. Now that info has come out that could explain his poor shooting, cant you let up a little?

And im agreeing with you that he needs to do other things. I got on Felton for shooting so much when his hand was messed up so its only fair that I treat Melo the same way. However, this isnt really an excuse so much as it is recognition that he played with a serious injury. One that could have had an impact on his shooting.

It depends on who you ask. Im sure theres players on other teams that get all the excuses from fans while others get bashed. Hell, 2 seasons ago, Gallinari used to get praised for doing a lot of the things Wilson would get killed for. It just depends on who you ask. I actually think this the first year Melo hasnt gotten destroyed by the general public. Unless you're only talking about here when you say he always has an excuse.

No TeamBall I'm not going to ease up on his shooting PACENTAGE due to shoulder injury because IMO his shooting PACENTAGE wouldn't have been that bad if he facilitated more.

Not sure what it's going to take to get this point through your thick skull.

You do understand he shot more FGA in the Playoffs with what you deem a serious injury than he did during the regular season. Explain to me why his FGA increased by 5-6/gm in the playoffs?

Pre shoulder injury he shot almost 60% for the month of April. If you are not going to ease up it is not about what he should have done it is about biases and prejudices you have towards this player. The games were just on. Did you see how the rest of the team preformed?

Pablo/Shump(throughout playoffs/Felton played really well Celtic series... not sure paint brush you're stroking with but dollars to donuts it's broad.

If you injured find another way to impact the game than just shooting and shooting lights out in 1 month when he shot 45PACENT for the season doesn't define what a player WAS GOING TO DO as you're trying to imply. He shot 54% in April, if you think that's what he was going to do during the playoffs you're simply naive like you prove in the majority of your posting.

He shot 56% for the month of April per-injury. He was shooting like he did at the start of the season. Did it guarantee he would be unstoppable? nothing is guaranteed but to claim that having his shoulder pop out if socket and his labrom torn didnt impact his shooting or slow him down is just wrong. Pablo shump and Felton had some good moments in the playoffs. They also had games where they provided no offense because they couldn't hit the shots they normally make. If you are suggesting Pablo, shump and Felton had their offense stifled by Anthony and it prevented the Knicks from winning I think you are naive. It isn't about someone being naive with you when it comes to melo. This is about your biases against this player.

Melo shot 53.8% in April Crush that's not 56%...Geeezzzz this is what I'm talking about....

He was injured in the Pacer game but kept playing. I didn't count that game. That was why I said pre-injury.

Of course not because you're in love with him but what's ironic is...

While dealing with this SO SERIOUS OF A SHOULDER INJURY he managed to increase his shooting PACENTAGE 38 to 43 PACENT.... from the Boston series to the Pacers series?

Sorry all games count in April he shot 53.8% I rounded up to give him 54%

I disagree. If we are discussing pre injury and post injury that wouldn't be the case. Especially when there is a dramatic decline in his shooting after his shoulder was dislocated and his labrum was torn.

He increased his shooting percentage close to his season percentage from series to series sorry...You couldn't Sail this to a Boat....

Move Along...

CrushAlot wrote:

3G4G wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

3G4G wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

3G4G wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

3G4G wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

3G4G wrote:

TeamBall wrote:

3G4G wrote:

TeamBall wrote:

3G4G wrote:

TeamBall wrote:Frank Isola @FisolaNYDN

An MRI reveals that Carmelo Anthony is suffering from a small left shoulder tear, Daily News has learned. Knicks hopeful no surgery needed

Frank Isola @FisolaNYDN

The plan, according to a Knicks source, is to give Carmelo's shoulder 3 to 4 weeks to heal on its own. If not, then surgery is probable

http://theknicksblog.com/knicks/isola-mri-shows-melo-has-slight-tear-in-left-shoulder/

Yet he kept shooting at an alarming rate, even higher than regular season. Should have been going for more.... "HOCKEY ASSISTS"

Oh well the excuses may continue to eternity.

3G c'mon man. The past couple of days you've been exclusively talking about his shooting percentage (__ PACENT!!). Before you jump to the next thing you can use to put him down, at least acknowledge that maybe his horrible shooting percentage can be attributed to his injury. For the record, I agree that he should have found other ways to contribute.

Yet fans want to bash Amar'e for being injured even when he came back and played, although at times not his best? Yet fans slammed Lin for not coming back from a tear in his knee? I'm questioning how injured he was. If you're that injured then do less of what causes injury aggravation....such as other things.

Fans are looking for an out, I'm looking for what will change outcome...in particular the future. Let's say he's injured in next year's playoffs and it's his knee does he adjust?

Also Melo the past 2yrs has been very injury prone to the extent it affects results....I guess that comes with getting older and the body breaking down. But he said at season's begin this is the best shape he's ever been in.

At some point TeamBall the excuses have to stop but when it comes to Carmelo he's had 1 every yr. Can you name me another athlete where this is the case?

Im talking about how you went around the boards after we were eliminated killing Melo for specifically his shooting percentage. Now that info has come out that could explain his poor shooting, cant you let up a little?

And im agreeing with you that he needs to do other things. I got on Felton for shooting so much when his hand was messed up so its only fair that I treat Melo the same way. However, this isnt really an excuse so much as it is recognition that he played with a serious injury. One that could have had an impact on his shooting.

It depends on who you ask. Im sure theres players on other teams that get all the excuses from fans while others get bashed. Hell, 2 seasons ago, Gallinari used to get praised for doing a lot of the things Wilson would get killed for. It just depends on who you ask. I actually think this the first year Melo hasnt gotten destroyed by the general public. Unless you're only talking about here when you say he always has an excuse.

No TeamBall I'm not going to ease up on his shooting PACENTAGE due to shoulder injury because IMO his shooting PACENTAGE wouldn't have been that bad if he facilitated more.

Not sure what it's going to take to get this point through your thick skull.

You do understand he shot more FGA in the Playoffs with what you deem a serious injury than he did during the regular season. Explain to me why his FGA increased by 5-6/gm in the playoffs?

Pre shoulder injury he shot almost 60% for the month of April. If you are not going to ease up it is not about what he should have done it is about biases and prejudices you have towards this player. The games were just on. Did you see how the rest of the team preformed?

Pablo/Shump(throughout playoffs/Felton played really well Celtic series... not sure paint brush you're stroking with but dollars to donuts it's broad.

If you injured find another way to impact the game than just shooting and shooting lights out in 1 month when he shot 45PACENT for the season doesn't define what a player WAS GOING TO DO as you're trying to imply. He shot 54% in April, if you think that's what he was going to do during the playoffs you're simply naive like you prove in the majority of your posting.

He shot 56% for the month of April per-injury. He was shooting like he did at the start of the season. Did it guarantee he would be unstoppable? nothing is guaranteed but to claim that having his shoulder pop out if socket and his labrom torn didnt impact his shooting or slow him down is just wrong. Pablo shump and Felton had some good moments in the playoffs. They also had games where they provided no offense because they couldn't hit the shots they normally make. If you are suggesting Pablo, shump and Felton had their offense stifled by Anthony and it prevented the Knicks from winning I think you are naive. It isn't about someone being naive with you when it comes to melo. This is about your biases against this player.

Melo shot 53.8% in April Crush that's not 56%...Geeezzzz this is what I'm talking about....

He was injured in the Pacer game but kept playing. I didn't count that game. That was why I said pre-injury.

Of course not because you're in love with him but what's ironic is...

While dealing with this SO SERIOUS OF A SHOULDER INJURY he managed to increase his shooting PACENTAGE 38 to 43 PACENT.... from the Boston series to the Pacers series?

Sorry all games count in April he shot 53.8% I rounded up to give him 54%

I disagree. If we are discussing pre injury and post injury that wouldn't be the case. Especially when there is a dramatic decline in his shooting after his shoulder was dislocated and his labrum was torn.

He increased his shooting percentage close to his season percentage from series to series sorry...You couldn't Sail this to a Boat....

Move Along...

He said he just had to play through it. Maybe his rhythm got better as he adjusted for the bad shoulder. I know there was one game, game 2?, where he came out in the second half and looked like his old self after appearing to be close to done with his shoulder. I remember thinking he must have received some sort of shot or pain killer at the half. Whatever. As I said it is about personal biases towards a player.

This is no different than the team shooting lights out from 3pt range early in the season and not being able to sustain this in the playoffs(which I said would happen). I'd wager to say part of the reason they couldn't do it besides getting D'd up is because playing 82gms during the regular season wears on players. Melo's is no different.

Try and magnify this shoulder injury all you want....in order for us to get better results Melo has to alter his game injury or no injury and the roster needs a serious upgrade....a roster in which you big up all throughout the yr.

I know it's tough dealing with some things now because they didn't turn out like you expected...wait until next yr to beat your drums Crush...

If it makes you happy and full of joy painting Melo as some basketball Martry have at it. I know otherwise.

dk7th wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

3G4G wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

3G4G wrote:

TeamBall wrote:

3G4G wrote:

TeamBall wrote:

3G4G wrote:

TeamBall wrote:Frank Isola @FisolaNYDN

An MRI reveals that Carmelo Anthony is suffering from a small left shoulder tear, Daily News has learned. Knicks hopeful no surgery needed

Frank Isola @FisolaNYDN

The plan, according to a Knicks source, is to give Carmelo's shoulder 3 to 4 weeks to heal on its own. If not, then surgery is probable

http://theknicksblog.com/knicks/isola-mri-shows-melo-has-slight-tear-in-left-shoulder/

Yet he kept shooting at an alarming rate, even higher than regular season. Should have been going for more.... "HOCKEY ASSISTS"

Oh well the excuses may continue to eternity.

3G c'mon man. The past couple of days you've been exclusively talking about his shooting percentage (__ PACENT!!). Before you jump to the next thing you can use to put him down, at least acknowledge that maybe his horrible shooting percentage can be attributed to his injury. For the record, I agree that he should have found other ways to contribute.

Yet fans want to bash Amar'e for being injured even when he came back and played, although at times not his best? Yet fans slammed Lin for not coming back from a tear in his knee? I'm questioning how injured he was. If you're that injured then do less of what causes injury aggravation....such as other things.

Fans are looking for an out, I'm looking for what will change outcome...in particular the future. Let's say he's injured in next year's playoffs and it's his knee does he adjust?

Also Melo the past 2yrs has been very injury prone to the extent it affects results....I guess that comes with getting older and the body breaking down. But he said at season's begin this is the best shape he's ever been in.

At some point TeamBall the excuses have to stop but when it comes to Carmelo he's had 1 every yr. Can you name me another athlete where this is the case?

Im talking about how you went around the boards after we were eliminated killing Melo for specifically his shooting percentage. Now that info has come out that could explain his poor shooting, cant you let up a little?

And im agreeing with you that he needs to do other things. I got on Felton for shooting so much when his hand was messed up so its only fair that I treat Melo the same way. However, this isnt really an excuse so much as it is recognition that he played with a serious injury. One that could have had an impact on his shooting.

It depends on who you ask. Im sure theres players on other teams that get all the excuses from fans while others get bashed. Hell, 2 seasons ago, Gallinari used to get praised for doing a lot of the things Wilson would get killed for. It just depends on who you ask. I actually think this the first year Melo hasnt gotten destroyed by the general public. Unless you're only talking about here when you say he always has an excuse.

No TeamBall I'm not going to ease up on his shooting PACENTAGE due to shoulder injury because IMO his shooting PACENTAGE wouldn't have been that bad if he facilitated more.

Not sure what it's going to take to get this point through your thick skull.

You do understand he shot more FGA in the Playoffs with what you deem a serious injury than he did during the regular season. Explain to me why his FGA increased by 5-6/gm in the playoffs?

Pre shoulder injury he shot almost 60% for the month of April. If you are not going to ease up it is not about what he should have done it is about biases and prejudices you have towards this player. The games were just on. Did you see how the rest of the team preformed?

Pablo/Shump(throughout playoffs/Felton played really well Celtic series... not sure paint brush you're stroking with but dollars to donuts it's broad.

If you injured find another way to impact the game than just shooting and shooting lights out in 1 month when he shot 45PACENT for the season doesn't define what a player WAS GOING TO DO as you're trying to imply. He shot 54% in April, if you think that's what he was going to do during the playoffs you're simply naive like you prove in the majority of your posting.

He shot 56% for the month of April per-injury. He was shooting like he did at the start of the season. Did it guarantee he would be unstoppable? nothing is guaranteed but to claim that having his shoulder pop out if socket and his labrom torn didnt impact his shooting or slow him down is just wrong. Pablo shump and Felton had some good moments in the playoffs. They also had games where they provided no offense because they couldn't hit the shots they normally make. If you are suggesting Pablo, shump and Felton had their offense stifled by Anthony and it prevented the Knicks from winning I think you are naive. It isn't about someone being naive with you when it comes to melo. This is about your biases against this player.

what's really sad about all this is that the entire conversation for you and a good many other so-called knick fans is that the issue centers around his SHOOTING. being a winner in basketball is about a host of other things other than SHOOTING.

he isn't good at much of any of those other things that are necessary to be a positive contributor. if all you can hang your hat on with this dude is his SHOOTING then you have no real point to make. complete players find other ways to contribute. dude was not worth the expense and he ain't gonna change even if he wants to!

I was just thinking the same thing, but to add on to what your saying, I hear some ppl saying that we need to upgrade the roster at the same time blame woodson for his playoff follies which cost us the series.

If woodson is the cause for the early playoff exit, your pretty much saying he had enough to win and takes us deeper..

If most are saying we need to upgrade the roster, then woodson had no one to turn to (which we all know would be a lie) The problem lies with woodson and his way of coaching melo, the way he utilize's melo..

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An MRI reveals that Carmelo Anthony is suffering from a small left shoulder tear, Daily News has learned. Knicks hopeful no surgery needed

Frank Isola @FisolaNYDN

The plan, according to a Knicks source, is to give Carmelo's shoulder 3 to 4 weeks to heal on its own. If not, then surgery is probable

http://theknicksblog.com/knicks/isola-mri-shows-melo-has-slight-tear-in-left-shoulder/

Yet he kept shooting at an alarming rate, even higher than regular season. Should have been going for more.... "HOCKEY ASSISTS"

Oh well the excuses may continue to eternity.

3G c'mon man. The past couple of days you've been exclusively talking about his shooting percentage (__ PACENT!!). Before you jump to the next thing you can use to put him down, at least acknowledge that maybe his horrible shooting percentage can be attributed to his injury. For the record, I agree that he should have found other ways to contribute.

Yet fans want to bash Amar'e for being injured even when he came back and played, although at times not his best? Yet fans slammed Lin for not coming back from a tear in his knee? I'm questioning how injured he was. If you're that injured then do less of what causes injury aggravation....such as other things.

Fans are looking for an out, I'm looking for what will change outcome...in particular the future. Let's say he's injured in next year's playoffs and it's his knee does he adjust?

Also Melo the past 2yrs has been very injury prone to the extent it affects results....I guess that comes with getting older and the body breaking down. But he said at season's begin this is the best shape he's ever been in.

At some point TeamBall the excuses have to stop but when it comes to Carmelo he's had 1 every yr. Can you name me another athlete where this is the case?

Im talking about how you went around the boards after we were eliminated killing Melo for specifically his shooting percentage. Now that info has come out that could explain his poor shooting, cant you let up a little?

And im agreeing with you that he needs to do other things. I got on Felton for shooting so much when his hand was messed up so its only fair that I treat Melo the same way. However, this isnt really an excuse so much as it is recognition that he played with a serious injury. One that could have had an impact on his shooting.

It depends on who you ask. Im sure theres players on other teams that get all the excuses from fans while others get bashed. Hell, 2 seasons ago, Gallinari used to get praised for doing a lot of the things Wilson would get killed for. It just depends on who you ask. I actually think this the first year Melo hasnt gotten destroyed by the general public. Unless you're only talking about here when you say he always has an excuse.

No TeamBall I'm not going to ease up on his shooting PACENTAGE due to shoulder injury because IMO his shooting PACENTAGE wouldn't have been that bad if he facilitated more.

Not sure what it's going to take to get this point through your thick skull.

You do understand he shot more FGA in the Playoffs with what you deem a serious injury than he did during the regular season. Explain to me why his FGA increased by 5-6/gm in the playoffs?

Pre shoulder injury he shot almost 60% for the month of April. If you are not going to ease up it is not about what he should have done it is about biases and prejudices you have towards this player. The games were just on. Did you see how the rest of the team preformed?

Pablo/Shump(throughout playoffs/Felton played really well Celtic series... not sure paint brush you're stroking with but dollars to donuts it's broad.

If you injured find another way to impact the game than just shooting and shooting lights out in 1 month when he shot 45PACENT for the season doesn't define what a player WAS GOING TO DO as you're trying to imply. He shot 54% in April, if you think that's what he was going to do during the playoffs you're simply naive like you prove in the majority of your posting.

He shot 56% for the month of April per-injury. He was shooting like he did at the start of the season. Did it guarantee he would be unstoppable? nothing is guaranteed but to claim that having his shoulder pop out if socket and his labrom torn didnt impact his shooting or slow him down is just wrong. Pablo shump and Felton had some good moments in the playoffs. They also had games where they provided no offense because they couldn't hit the shots they normally make. If you are suggesting Pablo, shump and Felton had their offense stifled by Anthony and it prevented the Knicks from winning I think you are naive. It isn't about someone being naive with you when it comes to melo. This is about your biases against this player.

what's really sad about all this is that the entire conversation for you and a good many other so-called knick fans is that the issue centers around his SHOOTING. being a winner in basketball is about a host of other things other than SHOOTING.

he isn't good at much of any of those other things that are necessary to be a positive contributor. if all you can hang your hat on with this dude is his SHOOTING then you have no real point to make. complete players find other ways to contribute. dude was not worth the expense and he ain't gonna change even if he wants to!

I was just thinking the same thing, but to add on to what your saying, I hear some ppl saying that we need to upgrade the roster at the same time blame woodson for his playoff follies which cost us the series.

If woodson is the cause for the early playoff exit, your pretty much saying he had enough to win and takes us deeper..

If most are saying we need to upgrade the roster, then woodson had no one to turn to (which we all know would be a lie) The problem lies with woodson and his way of coaching melo, the way he utilize's melo..

Or, the current roster isn't good enough AND Woodson mismanaged it in the playoffs.