fishmike wrote:

playa2 wrote:People that are really quick to laugh and ridicule under estimate what some groups will do to have a certain end result. Even in the Columbine shooting it seemed to be the same way, many students reported that it was grown men wearing ski masks doing the shooting, others named different members from the trench coat mafia, feds were at the school that morning before the shooting, hospital was called before the shooting started.

You guys really need to do more research.

so do you. But if you only look to like minded folks you will always find exactly what you want to see.

Lots of sources out there also proving dinosaurs didnt exist. Its true playa... just google it.

Are you aware of how utterly distastefull your comments are? And how utterly lacking in any truth they are?

You can't even talk about the 2nd shooter in the woods theory without reverting to some off based comment. Look I don't like the way this country is going, our rights are being taking away in the name of security. We have signs of this repeating in our country and you might be afraid, personally I'm not.

I love the American people enough to tell them the truth about what's going on in our country.

Being naive about it only helps those who perpetrate this mess more. I agree we have crazies in this country , but I also know we hype mass shootings here and blame unstable people and blast it for days over the airwaves and brainwash the people. It's all been about taking away your freedoms in the name of security. History is repeating itself , but it's now being played out in AMERICA !

arkrud wrote:

fishmike wrote:

playa2 wrote:People that are really quick to laugh and ridicule under estimate what some groups will do to have a certain end result. Even in the Columbine shooting it seemed to be the same way, many students reported that it was grown men wearing ski masks doing the shooting, others named different members from the trench coat mafia, feds were at the school that morning before the shooting, hospital was called before the shooting started.

You guys really need to do more research.

so do you. But if you only look to like minded folks you will always find exactly what you want to see.

Lots of sources out there also proving dinosaurs didnt exist. Its true playa... just google it.

Are you aware of how utterly distastefull your comments are? And how utterly lacking in any truth they are?

playa likes fascinating stuff. We all do. People are looking for simple explanations and conspiracy is both simple and exiting.
playa - the government is dumb, you put too much faith in a bunch of bureaucrats running this country.
They are not capable of any conspiracy. Come on...

Fascinating indeed.

playa2 wrote:

fishmike wrote:

playa2 wrote:People that are really quick to laugh and ridicule under estimate what some groups will do to have a certain end result. Even in the Columbine shooting it seemed to be the same way, many students reported that it was grown men wearing ski masks doing the shooting, others named different members from the trench coat mafia, feds were at the school that morning before the shooting, hospital was called before the shooting started.

You guys really need to do more research.

so do you. But if you only look to like minded folks you will always find exactly what you want to see.

Lots of sources out there also proving dinosaurs didnt exist. Its true playa... just google it.

Are you aware of how utterly distastefull your comments are? And how utterly lacking in any truth they are?

You can't even talk about the 2nd shooter in the woods theory without reverting to some off based comment. Look I don't like the way this country is going, our rights are being taking away in the name of security. We have signs of this repeating in our country and you might be afraid, personally I'm not.

I love the American people enough to tell them the truth about what's going on in our country.

Being naive about it only helps those who perpetrate this mess more. I agree we have crazies in this country , but I also know we hype mass shootings here and blame unstable people and blast it for days over the airwaves and brainwash the people. It's all been about taking away your freedoms in the name of security. History is repeating itself , but it's now being played out in AMERICA !

Im not being naive any more than your being dangerous man. Your regurgitation what mental cases are spreading on the internet. What 2nd shooter?

If you use your brain, and consider the means needed to create such a coverup it falls incredibly short. But you would rather cry naive and sheep then look at what is plausable.

"children living in the high-gun states
(Louisiana, Alabama, Mississippi, Arkansas, and West Virginia)
were 16 times as likely to die from unintentional
firearm injury, 7 times as likely to die from firearm suicide,
3 times as likely to die from firearm homicide and, overall,
twice as likely to die from suicide and homicide."
http://timeopinions.files.wordpress.com/2012/02/firearm-availability.pdf

fishmike wrote:

arkrud wrote:Making guns illegal is a solution but I do not think it is a possibility in US.
It is possible to do and was done in totalitarian countries because to make it work you need a total control of people lives.
It was done in countries which are advanced enough to reject violence. US is surrey not - we embrace it in movies, comic books, video games, sports, entertainment. So we collectively get what we are asking for.
In US this ban will only lead to creation of all-powerful gun mafia same as it did with boos and drags.
Mafia will get the biggest gains from this ban.
Every kid can get drugs from drug dealers any time he want in any place in this country. He just need money and sometimes he will get drugs for free to make him an addict and a "good customer" in the future.Why this will be different with guns?
We need to stop glorify violence even if violence is done by "good guys" and "superheros". Can we?
I am not sure. It is much more difficult that just ban the guns.

ahhh... no, no they cant. Again, more totally fabricated notions to support an opnion.

You want drugs you have to look and ask, and that looking and asking alone may lead to you getting caught. Yes, in high school (80s) weed and beer were mostly available if you knew someone with an older sybling or connection. Anything harder was rare, and if you got desperate for weed and had go buy off the street you were at pretty big risk of getting caught, getting your ass kicked or getting ripped off. So no, any kid that says "lets get high" cant just go out and do it. Sorry.

Mentall illness is a much bigger issue.

Its not the mafia and drug guns that are the problem. Those are mostly used on other mafia and drug gangs/dealers.

I agree that this small provincial places have less drag availability but in NY, NJ, LA... you go to certain place and you will find drug dealer at every corner.
Yes you can get in trouble by asking... but with guns when somebody determined to go on shooting spree... he will take chance to ask.
Guns are banned in Russia but terrorist came to school in Beslan and killed hundreds of people, mostly kids.
There are better solutions but they are costly.
For example with all the endless Jihad and Islamic terror attacks that hit Israel, kids in schools are safe because every school has armed guards at points of entry. People never barge into schools in Israel and start a shooting rampage. They would be shot and killed immediately. You cannot murder children in Israeli schools because the adults treat them like the priceless treasures they are.
We do have guards in NYC schools especially in bad neighborhoods so why not to make it a requirement. It will be a good use of Army and Reserve to serve the society and will create a lot of jobs in security firms.

arkrud wrote:

fishmike wrote:

arkrud wrote:Making guns illegal is a solution but I do not think it is a possibility in US.
It is possible to do and was done in totalitarian countries because to make it work you need a total control of people lives.
It was done in countries which are advanced enough to reject violence. US is surrey not - we embrace it in movies, comic books, video games, sports, entertainment. So we collectively get what we are asking for.
In US this ban will only lead to creation of all-powerful gun mafia same as it did with boos and drags.
Mafia will get the biggest gains from this ban.
Every kid can get drugs from drug dealers any time he want in any place in this country. He just need money and sometimes he will get drugs for free to make him an addict and a "good customer" in the future.Why this will be different with guns?
We need to stop glorify violence even if violence is done by "good guys" and "superheros". Can we?
I am not sure. It is much more difficult that just ban the guns.

ahhh... no, no they cant. Again, more totally fabricated notions to support an opnion.

You want drugs you have to look and ask, and that looking and asking alone may lead to you getting caught. Yes, in high school (80s) weed and beer were mostly available if you knew someone with an older sybling or connection. Anything harder was rare, and if you got desperate for weed and had go buy off the street you were at pretty big risk of getting caught, getting your ass kicked or getting ripped off. So no, any kid that says "lets get high" cant just go out and do it. Sorry.

Mentall illness is a much bigger issue.

Its not the mafia and drug guns that are the problem. Those are mostly used on other mafia and drug gangs/dealers.

I agree that this small provincial places have less drag availability but in NY, NJ, LA... you go to certain place and you will find drug dealer at every corner.
Yes you can get in trouble by asking... but with guns when somebody determined to go on shooting spree... he will take chance to ask.
Guns are banned in Russia but terrorist came to school in Beslan and killed hundreds of people, mostly kids.
There are better solutions but they are costly.
For example with all the endless Jihad and Islamic terror attacks that hit Israel, kids in schools are safe because every school has armed guards at points of entry. People never barge into schools in Israel and start a shooting rampage. They would be shot and killed immediately. You cannot murder children in Israeli schools because the adults treat them like the priceless treasures they are.
We do have guards in NYC schools especially in bad neighborhoods so why not to make it a requirement. It will be a good use of Army and Reserve to serve the society and will create a lot of jobs in security firms.

If we will give the money now paid in salaries to useless school boards and other educational system bureaucrats to establish security in schools it will be enough to make school the most protected place in US alone.

arkrud wrote:

fishmike wrote:

arkrud wrote:Making guns illegal is a solution but I do not think it is a possibility in US.
It is possible to do and was done in totalitarian countries because to make it work you need a total control of people lives.
It was done in countries which are advanced enough to reject violence. US is surrey not - we embrace it in movies, comic books, video games, sports, entertainment. So we collectively get what we are asking for.
In US this ban will only lead to creation of all-powerful gun mafia same as it did with boos and drags.
Mafia will get the biggest gains from this ban.
Every kid can get drugs from drug dealers any time he want in any place in this country. He just need money and sometimes he will get drugs for free to make him an addict and a "good customer" in the future.Why this will be different with guns?
We need to stop glorify violence even if violence is done by "good guys" and "superheros". Can we?
I am not sure. It is much more difficult that just ban the guns.

ahhh... no, no they cant. Again, more totally fabricated notions to support an opnion.

You want drugs you have to look and ask, and that looking and asking alone may lead to you getting caught. Yes, in high school (80s) weed and beer were mostly available if you knew someone with an older sybling or connection. Anything harder was rare, and if you got desperate for weed and had go buy off the street you were at pretty big risk of getting caught, getting your ass kicked or getting ripped off. So no, any kid that says "lets get high" cant just go out and do it. Sorry.

Mentall illness is a much bigger issue.

Its not the mafia and drug guns that are the problem. Those are mostly used on other mafia and drug gangs/dealers.

I agree that this small provincial places have less drag availability but in NY, NJ, LA... you go to certain place and you will find drug dealer at every corner.
Yes you can get in trouble by asking... but with guns when somebody determined to go on shooting spree... he will take chance to ask.
Guns are banned in Russia but terrorist came to school in Beslan and killed hundreds of people, mostly kids.
There are better solutions but they are costly.
For example with all the endless Jihad and Islamic terror attacks that hit Israel, kids in schools are safe because every school has armed guards at points of entry. People never barge into schools in Israel and start a shooting rampage. They would be shot and killed immediately. You cannot murder children in Israeli schools because the adults treat them like the priceless treasures they are.
We do have guards in NYC schools especially in bad neighborhoods so why not to make it a requirement. It will be a good use of Army and Reserve to serve the society and will create a lot of jobs in security firms.

And I live in NJ, and if you dont know someone you have to go to an area of very high risk if you want to buy drugs off a street. There's a damn good chance that dopey rich kids driving around slummy areas in nice cars asking random dudes where they can get some hooch are gonna get caught and fast. It *seems* easy but its not that easy and its high risk. The deterent works (breaking the law).

Its got to be harder to get these types of weapons. They were all legally aquired. You cant stop this crime, but the laws work and the evidence cant be refuted. There is no solution, but it doesnt mean there cant be progress. (assuming fake crying Obamo doesnt order more attacks on children to push his legislation)

fishmike wrote:

arkrud wrote:

fishmike wrote:

arkrud wrote:Making guns illegal is a solution but I do not think it is a possibility in US.
It is possible to do and was done in totalitarian countries because to make it work you need a total control of people lives.
It was done in countries which are advanced enough to reject violence. US is surrey not - we embrace it in movies, comic books, video games, sports, entertainment. So we collectively get what we are asking for.
In US this ban will only lead to creation of all-powerful gun mafia same as it did with boos and drags.
Mafia will get the biggest gains from this ban.
Every kid can get drugs from drug dealers any time he want in any place in this country. He just need money and sometimes he will get drugs for free to make him an addict and a "good customer" in the future.Why this will be different with guns?
We need to stop glorify violence even if violence is done by "good guys" and "superheros". Can we?
I am not sure. It is much more difficult that just ban the guns.

ahhh... no, no they cant. Again, more totally fabricated notions to support an opnion.

You want drugs you have to look and ask, and that looking and asking alone may lead to you getting caught. Yes, in high school (80s) weed and beer were mostly available if you knew someone with an older sybling or connection. Anything harder was rare, and if you got desperate for weed and had go buy off the street you were at pretty big risk of getting caught, getting your ass kicked or getting ripped off. So no, any kid that says "lets get high" cant just go out and do it. Sorry.

Mentall illness is a much bigger issue.

Its not the mafia and drug guns that are the problem. Those are mostly used on other mafia and drug gangs/dealers.

I agree that this small provincial places have less drag availability but in NY, NJ, LA... you go to certain place and you will find drug dealer at every corner.
Yes you can get in trouble by asking... but with guns when somebody determined to go on shooting spree... he will take chance to ask.
Guns are banned in Russia but terrorist came to school in Beslan and killed hundreds of people, mostly kids.
There are better solutions but they are costly.
For example with all the endless Jihad and Islamic terror attacks that hit Israel, kids in schools are safe because every school has armed guards at points of entry. People never barge into schools in Israel and start a shooting rampage. They would be shot and killed immediately. You cannot murder children in Israeli schools because the adults treat them like the priceless treasures they are.
We do have guards in NYC schools especially in bad neighborhoods so why not to make it a requirement. It will be a good use of Army and Reserve to serve the society and will create a lot of jobs in security firms.

agree... but your examples are not good because they have little relevence here. The Russian attack came in an area of a hundred years of ethnic hate and violence. The Israeli school example also doesnt fit as they are a military state and under constant attack of that nature.

And I live in NJ, and if you dont know someone you have to go to an area of very high risk if you want to buy drugs off a street. There's a damn good chance that dopey rich kids driving around slummy areas in nice cars asking random dudes where they can get some hooch are gonna get caught and fast. It *seems* easy but its not that easy and its high risk. The deterent works (breaking the law).

Its got to be harder to get these types of weapons. They were all legally aquired. You cant stop this crime, but the laws work and the evidence cant be refuted. There is no solution, but it doesnt mean there cant be progress. (assuming fake crying Obamo doesnt order more attacks on children to push his legislation)

fishmike wrote:research. Yea... its like researching the negative impact abolition of slavery has caused this nation. There are lot of white supremicist orgs happy to provide detailed info. Or we could pick the jews who control the nations money (and movies!). Or I could offer you good 'research' that Islam is ruining the world. If you decide what you believe first, the research to prove it is pretty easy to come by, not matter how ridiculous or in poor taste.

Yes... Playa... please let me go back to sleep and you go back to posting videos of people claiming Obama's tears are fake because he knew and had a hand in this attack. nighty night fishy.

Do be careful, stumbling upon this info might get you dead. They are watching.

arkrud wrote:

fishmike wrote:research. Yea... its like researching the negative impact abolition of slavery has caused this nation. There are lot of white supremicist orgs happy to provide detailed info. Or we could pick the jews who control the nations money (and movies!). Or I could offer you good 'research' that Islam is ruining the world. If you decide what you believe first, the research to prove it is pretty easy to come by, not matter how ridiculous or in poor taste.

Yes... Playa... please let me go back to sleep and you go back to posting videos of people claiming Obama's tears are fake because he knew and had a hand in this attack. nighty night fishy.

Do be careful, stumbling upon this info might get you dead. They are watching.

Not sure why playa makes you so exited.
He thinks that live is simple as a Comic book... not a biggy... a lot of people in US were raised on this.
Good guys... bad guys... boom...bamm...good guys beat the sheet of bad guys... happy endings!!!!

I found posting a youtube video claiming Obama was fake crying as he had a part in the killings to be beyond bad taste. I found it blasphemy. Twisting facts around for attention. Horrible. There's poor taste and then there is something wrong. Honestly believing that is a red flag in itself.

First you think Obama is fake crying and had a part in the killings.
Next you organize and use propaganda.
Get some guns and shoot some lawmakers. Like that nice lady in Arizona Gifford(?) who was a dedicated public servant and was shot by some lunatic who no doubt did his own 'research'

Stay safe playa and dont hurt anyone please man. You want to find evil in the world there are better places to look.

playa2 wrote:

fishmike wrote:

playa2 wrote:

fishmike wrote:

playa2 wrote:People that are really quick to laugh and ridicule under estimate what some groups will do to have a certain end result. Even in the Columbine shooting it seemed to be the same way, many students reported that it was grown men wearing ski masks doing the shooting, others named different members from the trench coat mafia, feds were at the school that morning before the shooting, hospital was called before the shooting started.

You guys really need to do more research.

so do you. But if you only look to like minded folks you will always find exactly what you want to see.

Lots of sources out there also proving dinosaurs didnt exist. Its true playa... just google it.

Are you aware of how utterly distastefull your comments are? And how utterly lacking in any truth they are?

You can't even talk about the 2nd shooter in the woods theory without reverting to some off based comment. Look I don't like the way this country is going, our rights are being taking away in the name of security. We have signs of this repeating in our country and you might be afraid, personally I'm not.

I love the American people enough to tell them the truth about what's going on in our country.

Being naive about it only helps those who perpetrate this mess more. I agree we have crazies in this country , but I also know we hype mass shootings here and blame unstable people and blast it for days over the airwaves and brainwash the people. It's all been about taking away your freedoms in the name of security. History is repeating itself , but it's now being played out in AMERICA !

yes, and spreading fear and misinformation undermines what good government and law enforcement is able to accomplish.

Im not being naive any more than your being dangerous man. Your regurgitation what mental cases are spreading on the internet. What 2nd shooter?

If you use your brain, and consider the means needed to create such a coverup it falls incredibly short. But you would rather cry naive and sheep then look at what is plausable.

Fishmike, I can't talk to you anymore about this, you haven't done ANY RESEARCH to talk to me about these matters. If you haven't learned anything about the 2nd shooter by now then Go back to sleep man.

The key phrase that this commentator said was "if this is confirmed". What date and time was this video you posted taken? If it's just some commentator and anchor filling time with fleshing out the barest of leads from a small town's active investigation sometime last week, I hope you have more evidence than that, playa. I like my research sourced.

I had the TV on when they first announced the shooting, and the details were crazy sketchy. I left the house thinking the shooter was the son of a teacher who got let in because he was recognized. I come back at the end of the day and the mother is revealed to have been a former stockbroker.

I also saw today the AP video of someone chasing someone in the woods. Also read stuff about a second shooter on Google 3 days ago. I don't see anything today. Scrubbed news 1984-style? I can't say it's not a possibility. But I don't think it is likely.