gunsnewing wrote:

tkf wrote:I think a lot of the ewing criticism came late in his career.. but during the bulk of his career, ewing was loved and respected here.. i don't see any similarities at all...

I agree Ewing in his prime was more of an MVP than Melo but with Melo we have one of the best players in the game today and that counts for something when you are 16-5 and in the mix for a championship. Not just because of MElo but the players he was surrounded with

I view him as one of the better scorers.. players? I don't agree with that... no biggie..

tkf wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:

tkf wrote:I think a lot of the ewing criticism came late in his career.. but during the bulk of his career, ewing was loved and respected here.. i don't see any similarities at all...

I agree Ewing in his prime was more of an MVP than Melo but with Melo we have one of the best players in the game today and that counts for something when you are 16-5 and in the mix for a championship. Not just because of MElo but the players he was surrounded with

I view him as one of the better scorers.. players? I don't agree with that... no biggie..

Still makes him one of the better players. Jamal Crawford is a scorer but he doesn't Average 27. You can definitely argue Melo will never win MVP because he is a scorer. So was Jordan but he was all world defense and efficient. But you can't deny Melo is one of the best players in the game. Definitely top 10 and there aren't many of those to go around

Jason Kidd just gave Melo the ultimate compliment as a teammate when you listen to that Steven A. Smith video.

There is nothing more to be said when Kidd states "that they are winning because Carmelo Anthony is playing unselfish and trusting us and I'm going to ensure he gets the credit he deserves".

gunsnewing wrote:

tkf wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:

tkf wrote:I think a lot of the ewing criticism came late in his career.. but during the bulk of his career, ewing was loved and respected here.. i don't see any similarities at all...

I agree Ewing in his prime was more of an MVP than Melo but with Melo we have one of the best players in the game today and that counts for something when you are 16-5 and in the mix for a championship. Not just because of MElo but the players he was surrounded with

I view him as one of the better scorers.. players? I don't agree with that... no biggie..

Still makes him one of the better players. Jamal Crawford is a scorer but he doesn't Average 27. You can definitely argue Melo will never win MVP because he is a scorer. So was Jordan but he was all world defense and efficient. But you can't deny Melo is one of the best players in the game. Definitely top 10 and there aren't many of those to go around

top 10 is arguable and I don't want to get off on that topic, but lets say we agree to dissagree here...

newyorknewyork wrote:Melo being accepted on this level by his peers is very important for the Knicks. He may start getting superstar calls by the refs and other star players will be more interested in joining the Knicks when we have major cap space in 3yrs.

Jason Kidd just gave Melo the ultimate compliment as a teammate when you listen to that Steven A. Smith video.

There is nothing more to be said when Kidd states "that they are winning because Carmelo Anthony is playing unselfish and trusting us and I'm going to ensure he gets the credit he deserves".

Same interview, he said that melo is making every right decision on the court. From someone that knows the game inside n out ... That speaks volume compared to anything we think we may know

TheloniusMonk wrote:Never thought I'd see the day that Knick "fans" root against the guy who is a main piece in leading them Knicks to success. It's baffling. Bets being made with the beter hoping that the Knick player DOESN'T get MVP of the NBA? Once upon a time stuff like that didn't happen around this proud city. This board either. These days, the prisoners are running the jail. It's weird. What happened here? Maybe these types of things bother me more than some others. Is everyone here from NY? Sometimes I get the feeling that the opinions I'm hearing are from that of a person from Tennessee somewhere, who happens to be a Knick "fan" but far from a New Yorker. Not saying every Knicks fan has to be from NYC but there is a pride that's missing with some. That diehard, ride or die, win-lose-or draw type thing. I don't know man....

I would never bet against the Knicks. I can barely stand picking them to lose on gamepicker because if I do I dont feel right. As a somewhat reformed degenerate gambler its a personal rule I dont ever bet against my own team. Ever.

Im a Giants fan also. If I bet Eli doesnt throw for 500 yards vs. the Falcons this Sunday am I hating? Am I wanted my team to lose? Or am I just confident that scenario is so unlikely I would risk a $100 to prove it?

Same with Melo. Sure he's playing great and the KNicks are winning. Sure he's going to get noticed around the league. Good for him. Good for Knicks. But he's not MVP. Sorry. Doesnt make me less a fan. Just an observation.

gunsnewing wrote:

Anji wrote:

Anji wrote:http://espn.go.com/new-york/nba/story/_/id/8744028/past-present-collide-carmelo-anthony-new-york-knicks

Dat Dat Dat Dat debate is really happening.

Don't see them talking about David Lee being on a power ranking poster.

its happening because Melo is coming off a 45pt effort against the Nets. Knicks lose 2 games in a row and the media will go back to blaming Melo. There opinions only matter at the end of the year if Melo is in the MVP discussion.

The biggest point to me though is they are watching.

http://espn.go.com/new-york/nba/story/_/id/8744028/past-present-collide-carmelo-anthony-new-york-knicks

gunsnewing wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:There is nothing more to be said when Kidd states "that they are winning because Carmelo Anthony is playing unselfish and trusting us and I'm going to ensure he gets the credit he deserves".

Certainly a nice push for MVP from his teammate. He is going to need it to beat out Lebron and Durant. But again 21 games, no Amare, way too early for MVP talks. Talk to me come March

If Melo was playing like crap right now would you be saying its to early to criticism him lets wait until March to see how the season ends?

ChuckBuck wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:Ewing plays a more premium position that effects winning. Superstar Bigmen can anchor offenses and defenses. Its a lot harder to do at the SF position.

Exactly. Thats why guys like Duncan, KG, Shaq and Drob win mvps. For a guard or forward to win he needs to be a COMPLETE player. Score, reb, pass, efficiency and play ALL WORLD DEFENSE

That is where guys like Lebron, Kobe, Jordan, Magic win mvps

The only hole in your argument is when guys like Derrick Rose, Charles Barkley, or Steve Nash win MVP. They all were mediocre defenders that didn't make all defensive teams.

They did make All NBA 1st team, something Melo is on pace to be on for the first time in his career.

I said you need more than one stat. Nash and Barkley had more than 1. Rose is very questionable I agree. He only won because they didn't want to give it to Lebron again and Durant wasn't the Durant he is now. Also Rose got the respect because he is a PG. Melo won't beat out Lebron and Durant this year. His numbers aren't good enough

newyorknewyork wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:There is nothing more to be said when Kidd states "that they are winning because Carmelo Anthony is playing unselfish and trusting us and I'm going to ensure he gets the credit he deserves".

Certainly a nice push for MVP from his teammate. He is going to need it to beat out Lebron and Durant. But again 21 games, no Amare, way too early for MVP talks. Talk to me come March

If Melo was playing like crap right now would you be saying its to early to criticism him lets wait until March to see how the season ends?

No but i'm not saying Melo isn't great. Just that he won't win MVP when all is said and done