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tkf
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11/16/2012  10:21 AM    LAST EDITED: 11/16/2012  10:23 AM
fishmike wrote:last night was great. I finally see a role for MElo that I can fully embrace... decoy. Perfect. Pretend your going to jack shots and let the real men do the work

I am wondering if lebron or any other player shot 3-12 and got his shot blocked all night if people would be big upping them for getting 12 boards and saying "use me as a decoy".. I mean come on now... How is anyone going to use him as decoy when he couldn't buy a basket, again, the guy is begging for attention even when not relevant to the outcome of the game.... he was brutal last night plain and simple, and if not for the late heroics of kidd, it would have been their first loss... Kudos to jason kidd, I am a fan of his for sure, have been for some time.. Good team win.. not going to let anyone steal the team shine for one joker craving for attention..

sorry...

Anyone who sits around and waits for the lottery to better themselves, either in real life or in sports, Is a Loser............... TKF
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11/16/2012  10:22 AM
JrZyHuStLa wrote:
tkf wrote:
GodNa7ion wrote:On a sidenote bum ass Gallo shot an air ball in the clutch costing Denver a shot at beating Miami

it was a bad shot

Yea, like the wide open layup he missed against the Lakers which cost the game.

it could be worse, he could be 16-36 in the playoffs. go figure..

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11/16/2012  10:23 AM
tkf wrote:
JrZyHuStLa wrote:
tkf wrote:
GodNa7ion wrote:On a sidenote bum ass Gallo shot an air ball in the clutch costing Denver a shot at beating Miami

it was a bad shot

Yea, like the wide open layup he missed against the Lakers which cost the game.

it could be worse, he could be 16-36 in the playoffs. go figure..

look there is no doubt melo has to be better in the playoffs without question but i feel this will be the year he will take that next step

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11/16/2012  10:24 AM    LAST EDITED: 11/16/2012  10:25 AM
IrishKnickFan wrote:
tkf wrote:
JrZyHuStLa wrote:
tkf wrote:
GodNa7ion wrote:On a sidenote bum ass Gallo shot an air ball in the clutch costing Denver a shot at beating Miami

it was a bad shot

Yea, like the wide open layup he missed against the Lakers which cost the game.

it could be worse, he could be 16-36 in the playoffs. go figure..

look there is no doubt melo has to be better in the playoffs without question but i feel this will be the year he will take that next step

hey, not here to even argue that, and honestly shouldn't even respond to the baiting and trolling post about gallo.... just silly, with every intent to bait..

Anyone who sits around and waits for the lottery to better themselves, either in real life or in sports, Is a Loser............... TKF
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11/16/2012  10:25 AM
LMAO @ Gallo and Carmelo comparisons.

That's as close as it gets to comparing a man to a child lol.

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11/16/2012  10:26 AM    LAST EDITED: 11/16/2012  10:27 AM
Great win like this can't even keep the *******s at bay for a day????


Guess the knicks are just going to have to keep winning..............

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11/16/2012  12:04 PM
tkf wrote:
fishmike wrote:last night was great. I finally see a role for MElo that I can fully embrace... decoy. Perfect. Pretend your going to jack shots and let the real men do the work

I am wondering if lebron or any other player shot 3-12 and got his shot blocked all night if people would be big upping them for getting 12 boards and saying "use me as a decoy".. I mean come on now... How is anyone going to use him as decoy when he couldn't buy a basket, again, the guy is begging for attention even when not relevant to the outcome of the game.... he was brutal last night plain and simple, and if not for the late heroics of kidd, it would have been their first loss... Kudos to jason kidd, I am a fan of his for sure, have been for some time.. Good team win.. not going to let anyone steal the team shine for one joker craving for attention..

sorry...

Damn dude, you are dangerously close to IslesFan territory. Take a cue from EPMD & chill

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11/16/2012  12:11 PM    LAST EDITED: 11/16/2012  12:16 PM
tkf wrote:
fishmike wrote:last night was great. I finally see a role for MElo that I can fully embrace... decoy. Perfect. Pretend your going to jack shots and let the real men do the work

I am wondering if lebron or any other player shot 3-12 and got his shot blocked all night if people would be big upping them for getting 12 boards and saying "use me as a decoy".. I mean come on now... How is anyone going to use him as decoy when he couldn't buy a basket, again, the guy is begging for attention even when not relevant to the outcome of the game.... he was brutal last night plain and simple, and if not for the late heroics of kidd, it would have been their first loss... Kudos to jason kidd, I am a fan of his for sure, have been for some time.. Good team win.. not going to let anyone steal the team shine for one joker craving for attention..

sorry...

wow, your Melo hatred really is disgusting TKF. I'll never forget how on RGM, even year(s) after the Melo trade, how you still had a Danilo Gallinari avatar up. As if you couldn't have it in you to support any of current Knick players. Face it TKF, you're still butthurt about losing Gallo, and it's showing with each and every one of your negative post's in which attacks Melo.

For two years after the trade for Melo, you stated since day one, that our future was (pretty much) "destroyed" due to the Melo deal and/or how our future would've been "much better" had we not landed Melo. You've now been proven wrong. We now feature the leagues number one defense with Melo banging hard down low. You continued to mention how Denver walked away with such a "great deal" etc, etc. You've been proven wrong once again in regards to Denver. That's a struggling team over there.

You're Melo hatred will never stop, but is what I don't understand, is how can a Gallo lover such as yourself, feel you have the right to harp all over Melo after a bad game? You consider 3/12, 9 points, 12 boards and 3 assists as being brutal? Then what's that saying about your favorite Gallo in which you've supported and talked for years on end now? That Melo at his worst, is still a better basketball player than a Gallo at his best?

Melo: A record of 6-0. 37.4 minutes per. 22.6 points, 7.8 boards, 1.8 assists, 1.0 blocks and 0.4 steals per game. A field goal percentage of .456%.

Gallo: A record of 4-5. 35.4 minutes per. 13.0 points, 6.5 boards, 2.6 assists, 0.8 blocks and 0.4 steals per game. A field goal percentage of .322%

But yet, you mean to tell me, that this is the same Gallo in which you've been butthurt with losing over the past two-three years TKF? I may be new to this Knicks forum, but that doesn't change the fact that I know you very well and/or have seen your Melo hated once before over the years. It's getting old.

You've been a major hypocrite in regards to Melo over the years.

You feel the need to mention how "brutal" Melo was last night, while also refusing to mention how you favorite Gallo's been awful during the entire season. You mention how good our current Knicks team is, but forget that (after the Melo trade) you continued to mention how our future was 'bleak' moving foward with Melo as our center-piece. Hopefully you're enjoying this 6-0 start, because Melo has been our M.V.P. Our front office has built our current 6-0 team around our franchise leader in Melo. You mention how Melo couldn't buy a bucket, but yet, no talk of your favorite Gallo (only) shooting .322 on the season? You mention how Melo went 3-12 last night but then again, where were you during the nights where Melo has gone 7/16, 10/18, 10/22 and 11/22 from the field? Those shooting performances of .438%-.556% doesn't fit your negative agenda against Melo, now does it TKF? Because we all know that 3/12 fell right into your negative Melo agenda. You bring up an off night in which he only put up 9 points, but then again, forget the fact that he's already had games of 21, 25, 27, 30 and 31 points ala leading the entire NBA in scoring.

Last but not least, no mention of Gallo's off nights thus far ala shooting 1/9 from 3, 2/9 from 3, 2/8 from 3, 1/5 from 3, 0/2 from 3, 3/11 from 3 and/or how he's struggled during games while only shooting 2/11, 3/17, 5/14, 8/22 etc, etc. You harp all over Melo 24/7, but yet, no mention of Gallo's struggles. You've been quiet as a mouse, more like silent as a lamb in regards to the overrated player you've talked up in Gallo over the years, in order to attack Melo (post-trade). I not only find this to be quite pathetic, but very hypocritical.

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11/16/2012  12:13 PM
Danilo Gallinari is a scrub who will never see an all star game.
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11/16/2012  12:15 PM

Gallo vs. Melo chatter on both sides is really bringing the site down.

The baiting and the Melo Hate is both equally down.

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11/16/2012  12:18 PM
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Gallo vs. Melo chatter on both sides is really bringing the site down.

The baiting and the Melo Hate is both equally down.

At least talk about Melo vs. Pierce, Granger, Gay, etc.

Gallo?? How is this even for real??

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11/16/2012  12:26 PM
As I've said early on in this thread...

The team is managing to win "IN SPITE OF MELO'S PRODUCTION" and his impact is being overblown. While I questioned if the pieces here would come together and thus far have been proven wrong...it's all good....I have been correct in that Melo isn't necessarily a player who makes people around him better, it's highly debatable if it's the other way around. I said this even when Amar'e was the main man here. These guys and their talents are more self contained than anything else.

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11/16/2012  12:30 PM
3G4G wrote:As I've said early on in this thread...

The team is managing to win "IN SPITE OF MELO'S PRODUCTION" and his impact is being overblown. While I questioned if the pieces here would come together and thus far have been proven wrong...it's all good....I have been correct in that Melo isn't necessarily a player who makes people around him better, it's highly debatable if it's the other way around. I said this even when Amar'e was the main man here. These guys and their talents are more self contained than anything else.

In spite of....GTFOH....Did you not see how the Spurs game-planned to take Melo ut of the game? Did you not see them sending two guys his way and semi-zoning up on the opposite side? Even Sean Elliot, the Spurs color commentator, said as much....

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11/16/2012  12:32 PM
JrZyHuStLa wrote:
Nalod wrote:
Gallo vs. Melo chatter on both sides is really bringing the site down.

The baiting and the Melo Hate is both equally down.

At least talk about Melo vs. Pierce, Granger, Gay, etc.

Gallo?? How is this even for real??

Its about the trade and the banter that goes with it.

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11/16/2012  12:33 PM
Nalod wrote:
JrZyHuStLa wrote:
Nalod wrote:
Gallo vs. Melo chatter on both sides is really bringing the site down.

The baiting and the Melo Hate is both equally down.

At least talk about Melo vs. Pierce, Granger, Gay, etc.

Gallo?? How is this even for real??

Its about the trade and the banter that goes with it.

Right, but its so obvious who made out better in the trade.

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11/16/2012  12:37 PM
I wish I had the Billy Crytal clip from analyze this. "See you can't have an intelligent conversation with this guy." On the real at this point why respond to make your point against posters who doesn't care what you say. Change the convo or move on.
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11/16/2012  12:37 PM    LAST EDITED: 11/16/2012  1:02 PM
Uptown wrote:
3G4G wrote:As I've said early on in this thread...

The team is managing to win "IN SPITE OF MELO'S PRODUCTION" and his impact is being overblown. While I questioned if the pieces here would come together and thus far have been proven wrong...it's all good....I have been correct in that Melo isn't necessarily a player who makes people around him better, it's highly debatable if it's the other way around. I said this even when Amar'e was the main man here. These guys and their talents are more self contained than anything else.

In spite of....GTFOH....Did you not see how the Spurs game-planned to take Melo ut of the game? Did you not see them sending two guys his way and semi-zoning up on the opposite side? Even Sean Elliot, the Spurs color commentator, said as much....


There were moments and have been moments in all the games we've played where he's seen a couple guys come at him. He's primarily guarded by the other team's best defender with decisions when to double him if at all. I didn't see the first half of last night's game but saw the second half and sorry he was not in constant double cover 2 coverage....not even close.

There's also this part of the game(all 6 we've played) you have to watch and it's called what the team does when he's not even on the floor.

Melo was 1 of only 3 players with a negative +/- the rest were all positive last night

We've also seen Felton and J.R. the last few games in particular make individual plays(several of them) by themselves or involving others not named Melo

Kidd is knocking down 3's not because of Melo, it's because of our spread pick and roll offense with guys moving the ball finding the open man

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11/16/2012  12:42 PM    LAST EDITED: 11/16/2012  12:43 PM
The team not needing Carmelo to win only makes his case to be an MVP candidate more strong, since the award goes to a player on a team with a high number of wins.

Don't fool yourselves, there were plenty of nights when previous MVPs hurt their teams a little more than they helped, but the rest of the team was strong enough to grind out wins.

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11/16/2012  12:56 PM    LAST EDITED: 11/16/2012  12:58 PM
JrZyHuStLa wrote:The team not needing Carmelo to win only makes his case to be an MVP candidate more strong, since the award goes to a player on a team with a high number of wins.

Don't fool yourselves, there were plenty of nights when previous MVPs hurt their teams a little more than they helped, but the rest of the team was strong enough to grind out wins.


This has been mentioned too. The best player on a winning team will win by default regardless of what the stats say.


Case in point I'll mention another team....The Clippers


De'Andre Jordan is a vastly improved player this year. CP3 has contributed to him evolving as a player but most of Jordan's improved play this season has to do with his ability to post up, makes moves, and convert around the basket at a very high percentage. Which has very little to do with CP3... unless it was CP3 the one delivering post entry passes on every single one of his conversions(he hasn't).

Another player on their team Jamal Crawford, who's averaging like 20pts off the bench. Well he plays most of his minutes along side Bledsoe....CP3's not even on the court and Jamal converts the majority on 1 on 1 plays..... once again not involving CP3.

We all know if the Clippers top the West/League with a great reg season record CP3 will be right in the thick of discussion for MVP. Now being CP3 is a point guard and has the ball in his hands quite a bit yes it can be said he's the reason for their success but looked at deeper, it's primarily because the Clippers are an overall well rounded better basketball TEAM.

If we can go 6-0 IN SPITE OF MISSING....Amar'e and Shump who are pretty darn good basketball players then it's not farfetched to say we've won games this year IN SPITE OF MELO'S PRODUCTION...actually factual.

No need to prop up or overhype Melo unnecessarily. Yes Melo is our best player no one can argue this. Game impact this season ummmmmm Kidd/Smith/Felton have more than proved to be right there with Melo if not more so in some cases.

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11/16/2012  12:57 PM
NYKMentality wrote:
tkf wrote:
fishmike wrote:last night was great. I finally see a role for MElo that I can fully embrace... decoy. Perfect. Pretend your going to jack shots and let the real men do the work

I am wondering if lebron or any other player shot 3-12 and got his shot blocked all night if people would be big upping them for getting 12 boards and saying "use me as a decoy".. I mean come on now... How is anyone going to use him as decoy when he couldn't buy a basket, again, the guy is begging for attention even when not relevant to the outcome of the game.... he was brutal last night plain and simple, and if not for the late heroics of kidd, it would have been their first loss... Kudos to jason kidd, I am a fan of his for sure, have been for some time.. Good team win.. not going to let anyone steal the team shine for one joker craving for attention..

sorry...

wow, your Melo hatred really is disgusting TKF. I'll never forget how on RGM, even year(s) after the Melo trade, how you still had a Danilo Gallinari avatar up. As if you couldn't have it in you to support any of current Knick players. Face it TKF, you're still butthurt about losing Gallo, and it's showing with each and every one of your negative post's in which attacks Melo.

For two years after the trade for Melo, you stated since day one, that our future was (pretty much) "destroyed" due to the Melo deal and/or how our future would've been "much better" had we not landed Melo. You've now been proven wrong. We now feature the leagues number one defense with Melo banging hard down low. You continued to mention how Denver walked away with such a "great deal" etc, etc. You've been proven wrong once again in regards to Denver. That's a struggling team over there.

You're Melo hatred will never stop, but is what I don't understand, is how can a Gallo lover such as yourself, feel you have the right to harp all over Melo after a bad game? You consider 3/12, 9 points, 12 boards and 3 assists as being brutal? Then what's that saying about your favorite Gallo in which you've supported and talked for years on end now? That Melo at his worst, is still a better basketball player than a Gallo at his best?

Melo: A record of 6-0. 37.4 minutes per. 22.6 points, 7.8 boards, 1.8 assists, 1.0 blocks and 0.4 steals per game. A field goal percentage of .456%.

Gallo: A record of 4-5. 35.4 minutes per. 13.0 points, 6.5 boards, 2.6 assists, 0.8 blocks and 0.4 steals per game. A field goal percentage of .322%

But yet, you mean to tell me, that this is the same Gallo in which you've been butthurt with losing over the past two-three years TKF? I may be new to this Knicks forum, but that doesn't change the fact that I know you very well and/or have seen your Melo hated once before over the years. It's getting old.

You've been a major hypocrite in regards to Melo over the years.

You feel the need to mention how "brutal" Melo was last night, while also refusing to mention how you favorite Gallo's been awful during the entire season. You mention how good our current Knicks team is, but forget that (after the Melo trade) you continued to mention how our future was 'bleak' moving foward with Melo as our center-piece. Hopefully you're enjoying this 6-0 start, because Melo has been our M.V.P. Our front office has built our current 6-0 team around our franchise leader in Melo. You mention how Melo couldn't buy a bucket, but yet, no talk of your favorite Gallo (only) shooting .322 on the season? You mention how Melo went 3-12 last night but then again, where were you during the nights where Melo has gone 7/16, 10/18, 10/22 and 11/22 from the field? Those shooting performances of .438%-.556% doesn't fit your negative agenda against Melo, now does it TKF? Because we all know that 3/12 fell right into your negative Melo agenda. You bring up an off night in which he only put up 9 points, but then again, forget the fact that he's already had games of 21, 25, 27, 30 and 31 points ala leading the entire NBA in scoring.

Last but not least, no mention of Gallo's off nights thus far ala shooting 1/9 from 3, 2/9 from 3, 2/8 from 3, 1/5 from 3, 0/2 from 3, 3/11 from 3 and/or how he's struggled during games while only shooting 2/11, 3/17, 5/14, 8/22 etc, etc. You harp all over Melo 24/7, but yet, no mention of Gallo's struggles. You've been quiet as a mouse, more like silent as a lamb in regards to the overrated player you've talked up in Gallo over the years, in order to attack Melo (post-trade). I not only find this to be quite pathetic, but very hypocritical.

really I didn't bother reading all of this.. but from I am reading, when carmelo plays bad, I need to point out the flaws of gallo and lin everytime.. so when he plays well should I do the same..

truth is, you guys talk about gallo more than I do.. your post is prime example..

Again, what is the point of posting the knicks record and carmelo stats, the trade is so much bigger than that for me, again, YOU guys are the one's with the GAllo problem, you and others can't help but to bring him up every time you can... Do you think for one minute that I just don't like carmelo at all? that my feelings towards him have nothing to do with gallo scoring 5 or 50 points...

That just seems to bee to much for you to grasp..

As far as hypocrite.. lol.. i have been consistent in my feelings,I think the hypocrite are guys like you, who jockride players when they are here and then take every advantage of trying to discredit them when they leave in order to make yourself feel better about your current team.... the knicks are 6-0 and you are worried about my feelings towards melo.. You are absolutely consumed... My so called hatred should be of no concern to you..

I am pointing out the hypocrisy I see, because it makes the board that much less fun to post in.. which is why I made my post... you say gallo is playing horrible, yet you will take a 3-12 performance from carmelo and make it seem like a wilt moment... the knicks just could not win a game, no, but carmelo's 3-12 shooting had to be the highlight because of what..

he says" use me as a decoy" what a great teamate!! LOL

he grabbed 12 boards.. LOL.. so what!! half of them were his own misses after getting his shot rejected..


Your constant kool aid drinking and homerism makes it hard to have enjoyable dialouge when everything leads back to carmelo.. and honestly he isn't that good and for those of us that want to enjoy other parts of the team.. just suffocating and annoying..

so forgive me if I am not a fan of that donkey... He is an attention whore and last night was another example.. I just can't get over the "use me as a decoy" rofl.. if he were shooting 10-12 instead of 3-12, I damn well bet he doesn't mention anything other than giving him the damn ball.. keyshawn johnson style!!!

don't try to sit here and judge me, take a look in the mirror homie...

Anyone who sits around and waits for the lottery to better themselves, either in real life or in sports, Is a Loser............... TKF
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