Always exceptions of course!

I think any team in the east is vulnerable. Miami and Boston have fragile spots.

Knicks on paper are very good but we are unproven and its possible to have an epic Knick train wreck.

I know N*ts are not in the mix with most UKers but I can see them winning 49-50 games and if healthy being a very good team. They have that Veteran mix with some youth off the bench. Im not preaching it but I can see it. Don't aske me about boston cuz im old school about them. Any knick finish higher than a celtic team is a good year!

VCoug wrote:

Nalod wrote:

NUPE wrote:

biglove44 wrote:

NUPE wrote:NYNY, don't waste your time. There are several posters on this board whose sole agenda is to overrate Gallo, Chandler, Mozgov and Lin and be overly-critical of the current team. These are the same people claiming Melo is not a superstar, Melo ran Lin out of town, Melo is selfish, Melo is a loser, etc. These people also tend to try to insinuate that Gallo will be as good or better than Melo eventually....

Really, this current Knicks roster is head and shoulders above and superior in just about every way to the Gallo, Mozgov, Amar'e, Felton, Fields Knick team. You know someone is either trolling or not rational when they try to claim otherwise.

There are a lot of Melo homers too. Homers that think of as many excuses as possible as to why he hasn't made the finals/won a championship. It's always someone else's fault or he didn't have X team mate.

It goes both ways. You don't like reading homer posts about other players and I don't like reading homer posts related to Melo.

Rational analysis of Melo's playoff performances and playoff teams does not equate to being a homer. What is irrational are the people that cling to this idea that Melo ran Lin out of town and somehow is in control of the Knicks front office. LoL!

Also, I think Melo is a superstar player that still has a lot to prove in regards to playoff success. This applies to ton of superstars (such as Deron and Love). We will see how the Knicks do this year. I don't think they have any more excuses barring a massive injury riddled playoffs like the last two years.

Deron's record in playoffs are 19-20 with a trip to the conf. finals. But really there are so many variables to the team dynamic that the arguemt of "Melo in the playoffs" insinuates the individual nature of the game of basketball. Its a team game.

ITs hard to quantify the arguement of playoff failures when your first round opponent could be enroute to a long playoff run, injuries, and a ton of other variables.

We can argue the intangables but unless we watched every game of those series in Denver I don't think anyone can really lay blame on Melo for his individual play in those series.

Melo will get you to the playoffs and that keeps ticket sales going pretty good.

Fans want champioinships but some owners want the balance sheet to look good and don't want to risk losing money in the years it would take to build a club properly.

Does this mean because Dolan and the knicks have been constrcuted this way it holds true in the future? Only on internet forums.

The stars can always align when your a top 4 seed.

Winning a champoinship is not easy. Losing one is.

Usually they don't for a top 4 seed. Going back 45 years, to 1967 when the playoffs were expanded to four teams from each conference, there have only been seven championship teams that weren't either a first or second seed and only two that weren't a top 3 seed. Of those 45 champions there were 26 1st, 12 2nd, 5 3rd, 1 4th (the 1966 Boston Celtics), and 1 6th (the 1995 Houston Rockets) seeds. Basically, if we think we have a shot at a championship we need to finish as one of the top two teams in the East.

yes these are chilling and sobering stats. what the math says is that the knicks must be a top 1 or 2 seed if the melo trade is to be justified. the problem is that melo's teams have been a 3rd seed only once and a second seed only once in the west. i have never liked the fact that melo's teams have always seemed to underachieve in the regular season, as though there was some loafing going on. and lets face it the "loafer" tag has followed carmelo anthony his entire career.

if he does not show up in supreme shape and with a maniacal focus on defending the position the knicks are in big big trouble.

dk7th wrote:

VCoug wrote:

Nalod wrote:

NUPE wrote:

biglove44 wrote:

NUPE wrote:NYNY, don't waste your time. There are several posters on this board whose sole agenda is to overrate Gallo, Chandler, Mozgov and Lin and be overly-critical of the current team. These are the same people claiming Melo is not a superstar, Melo ran Lin out of town, Melo is selfish, Melo is a loser, etc. These people also tend to try to insinuate that Gallo will be as good or better than Melo eventually....

Really, this current Knicks roster is head and shoulders above and superior in just about every way to the Gallo, Mozgov, Amar'e, Felton, Fields Knick team. You know someone is either trolling or not rational when they try to claim otherwise.

There are a lot of Melo homers too. Homers that think of as many excuses as possible as to why he hasn't made the finals/won a championship. It's always someone else's fault or he didn't have X team mate.

It goes both ways. You don't like reading homer posts about other players and I don't like reading homer posts related to Melo.

Rational analysis of Melo's playoff performances and playoff teams does not equate to being a homer. What is irrational are the people that cling to this idea that Melo ran Lin out of town and somehow is in control of the Knicks front office. LoL!

Also, I think Melo is a superstar player that still has a lot to prove in regards to playoff success. This applies to ton of superstars (such as Deron and Love). We will see how the Knicks do this year. I don't think they have any more excuses barring a massive injury riddled playoffs like the last two years.

Deron's record in playoffs are 19-20 with a trip to the conf. finals. But really there are so many variables to the team dynamic that the arguemt of "Melo in the playoffs" insinuates the individual nature of the game of basketball. Its a team game.

ITs hard to quantify the arguement of playoff failures when your first round opponent could be enroute to a long playoff run, injuries, and a ton of other variables.

We can argue the intangables but unless we watched every game of those series in Denver I don't think anyone can really lay blame on Melo for his individual play in those series.

Melo will get you to the playoffs and that keeps ticket sales going pretty good.

Fans want champioinships but some owners want the balance sheet to look good and don't want to risk losing money in the years it would take to build a club properly.

Does this mean because Dolan and the knicks have been constrcuted this way it holds true in the future? Only on internet forums.

The stars can always align when your a top 4 seed.

Winning a champoinship is not easy. Losing one is.

Usually they don't for a top 4 seed. Going back 45 years, to 1967 when the playoffs were expanded to four teams from each conference, there have only been seven championship teams that weren't either a first or second seed and only two that weren't a top 3 seed. Of those 45 champions there were 26 1st, 12 2nd, 5 3rd, 1 4th (the 1966 Boston Celtics), and 1 6th (the 1995 Houston Rockets) seeds. Basically, if we think we have a shot at a championship we need to finish as one of the top two teams in the East.

yes these are chilling and sobering stats. what the math says is that the knicks must be a top 1 or 2 seed if the melo trade is to be justified. the problem is that melo's teams have been a 3rd seed only once and a second seed only once in the west. i have never liked the fact that melo's teams have always seemed to underachieve in the regular season, as though there was some loafing going on. and lets face it the "loafer" tag has followed carmelo anthony his entire career.

if he does not show up in supreme shape and with a maniacal focus on defending the position the knicks are in big big trouble.

How do you underachieve when you are competing in the same conference as the Suns, Spurs, Lakers, Kings and Mavs? Those teams consistently put better products on the floor when Melo was still with the Nuggs. Seriously, have you really analyzed those Nuggs rosters?

BTW, speaking of underachieving, 1 year the Nuggs won 50 games and ended up being an 8th seed.

Mediocre teams fight to get out of the 1st and 2nd round. As long as the owner makes his money all is well

Uptown wrote:

dk7th wrote:

VCoug wrote:

Nalod wrote:

NUPE wrote:

biglove44 wrote:

NUPE wrote:NYNY, don't waste your time. There are several posters on this board whose sole agenda is to overrate Gallo, Chandler, Mozgov and Lin and be overly-critical of the current team. These are the same people claiming Melo is not a superstar, Melo ran Lin out of town, Melo is selfish, Melo is a loser, etc. These people also tend to try to insinuate that Gallo will be as good or better than Melo eventually....

Really, this current Knicks roster is head and shoulders above and superior in just about every way to the Gallo, Mozgov, Amar'e, Felton, Fields Knick team. You know someone is either trolling or not rational when they try to claim otherwise.

There are a lot of Melo homers too. Homers that think of as many excuses as possible as to why he hasn't made the finals/won a championship. It's always someone else's fault or he didn't have X team mate.

It goes both ways. You don't like reading homer posts about other players and I don't like reading homer posts related to Melo.

Rational analysis of Melo's playoff performances and playoff teams does not equate to being a homer. What is irrational are the people that cling to this idea that Melo ran Lin out of town and somehow is in control of the Knicks front office. LoL!

Also, I think Melo is a superstar player that still has a lot to prove in regards to playoff success. This applies to ton of superstars (such as Deron and Love). We will see how the Knicks do this year. I don't think they have any more excuses barring a massive injury riddled playoffs like the last two years.

Deron's record in playoffs are 19-20 with a trip to the conf. finals. But really there are so many variables to the team dynamic that the arguemt of "Melo in the playoffs" insinuates the individual nature of the game of basketball. Its a team game.

ITs hard to quantify the arguement of playoff failures when your first round opponent could be enroute to a long playoff run, injuries, and a ton of other variables.

We can argue the intangables but unless we watched every game of those series in Denver I don't think anyone can really lay blame on Melo for his individual play in those series.

Melo will get you to the playoffs and that keeps ticket sales going pretty good.

Fans want champioinships but some owners want the balance sheet to look good and don't want to risk losing money in the years it would take to build a club properly.

Does this mean because Dolan and the knicks have been constrcuted this way it holds true in the future? Only on internet forums.

The stars can always align when your a top 4 seed.

Winning a champoinship is not easy. Losing one is.

Usually they don't for a top 4 seed. Going back 45 years, to 1967 when the playoffs were expanded to four teams from each conference, there have only been seven championship teams that weren't either a first or second seed and only two that weren't a top 3 seed. Of those 45 champions there were 26 1st, 12 2nd, 5 3rd, 1 4th (the 1966 Boston Celtics), and 1 6th (the 1995 Houston Rockets) seeds. Basically, if we think we have a shot at a championship we need to finish as one of the top two teams in the East.

yes these are chilling and sobering stats. what the math says is that the knicks must be a top 1 or 2 seed if the melo trade is to be justified. the problem is that melo's teams have been a 3rd seed only once and a second seed only once in the west. i have never liked the fact that melo's teams have always seemed to underachieve in the regular season, as though there was some loafing going on. and lets face it the "loafer" tag has followed carmelo anthony his entire career.

if he does not show up in supreme shape and with a maniacal focus on defending the position the knicks are in big big trouble.

How do you underachieve when you are competing in the same conference as the Suns, Spurs, Lakers, Kings and Mavs? Those teams consistently put better products on the floor when Melo was still with the Nuggs. Seriously, have you really analyzed those Nuggs rosters?

BTW, speaking of underachieving, 1 year the Nuggs won 50 games and ended up being an 8th seed.

here's how: you lose more games on the road against inferior teams. you play down to the competition in both conferences. you lose to mediocre teams you should be beating. all this points to a distinct lack of: leadership, focus, will, offensive efficiency, and defensive intensity.

players worth signing to the max AND trading for possess these qualities... and melo is not one of them.

if melo had possessed these qualities the nuggets should have been a legit top 3 seed almost every year. the one year the nuggets made it to 3rd seed do you know what their record was? a 44-38 mediocre record but enough to top the division-- still, based on the record, they were really a 6th seed.

billups elevated the team to legitimate 2nd seed with a 54-28 record.

How high is the bar? Seems fans are more excited than the media. The Media tends to be more accurate.

newyorknewyork wrote:

dk7th wrote:

VCoug wrote:

Nalod wrote:

NUPE wrote:

biglove44 wrote:

NUPE wrote:NYNY, don't waste your time. There are several posters on this board whose sole agenda is to overrate Gallo, Chandler, Mozgov and Lin and be overly-critical of the current team. These are the same people claiming Melo is not a superstar, Melo ran Lin out of town, Melo is selfish, Melo is a loser, etc. These people also tend to try to insinuate that Gallo will be as good or better than Melo eventually....

Really, this current Knicks roster is head and shoulders above and superior in just about every way to the Gallo, Mozgov, Amar'e, Felton, Fields Knick team. You know someone is either trolling or not rational when they try to claim otherwise.

There are a lot of Melo homers too. Homers that think of as many excuses as possible as to why he hasn't made the finals/won a championship. It's always someone else's fault or he didn't have X team mate.

It goes both ways. You don't like reading homer posts about other players and I don't like reading homer posts related to Melo.

Rational analysis of Melo's playoff performances and playoff teams does not equate to being a homer. What is irrational are the people that cling to this idea that Melo ran Lin out of town and somehow is in control of the Knicks front office. LoL!

Also, I think Melo is a superstar player that still has a lot to prove in regards to playoff success. This applies to ton of superstars (such as Deron and Love). We will see how the Knicks do this year. I don't think they have any more excuses barring a massive injury riddled playoffs like the last two years.

Deron's record in playoffs are 19-20 with a trip to the conf. finals. But really there are so many variables to the team dynamic that the arguemt of "Melo in the playoffs" insinuates the individual nature of the game of basketball. Its a team game.

ITs hard to quantify the arguement of playoff failures when your first round opponent could be enroute to a long playoff run, injuries, and a ton of other variables.

We can argue the intangables but unless we watched every game of those series in Denver I don't think anyone can really lay blame on Melo for his individual play in those series.

Melo will get you to the playoffs and that keeps ticket sales going pretty good.

Fans want champioinships but some owners want the balance sheet to look good and don't want to risk losing money in the years it would take to build a club properly.

Does this mean because Dolan and the knicks have been constrcuted this way it holds true in the future? Only on internet forums.

The stars can always align when your a top 4 seed.

Winning a champoinship is not easy. Losing one is.

Usually they don't for a top 4 seed. Going back 45 years, to 1967 when the playoffs were expanded to four teams from each conference, there have only been seven championship teams that weren't either a first or second seed and only two that weren't a top 3 seed. Of those 45 champions there were 26 1st, 12 2nd, 5 3rd, 1 4th (the 1966 Boston Celtics), and 1 6th (the 1995 Houston Rockets) seeds. Basically, if we think we have a shot at a championship we need to finish as one of the top two teams in the East.

yes these are chilling and sobering stats. what the math says is that the knicks must be a top 1 or 2 seed if the melo trade is to be justified. the problem is that melo's teams have been a 3rd seed only once and a second seed only once in the west. i have never liked the fact that melo's teams have always seemed to underachieve in the regular season, as though there was some loafing going on. and lets face it the "loafer" tag has followed carmelo anthony his entire career.

if he does not show up in supreme shape and with a maniacal focus on defending the position the knicks are in big big trouble.

Thats not how you judge if the trade is justified or not. The proper way to judge if the trade is justified or not would be based on Melo's success and achievements in terms of winning compared to the success and achievements of the players that were traded away. I can tell you right now that Melo is being judged on expectations that all the players that we gave up for Melo will not be expected to achieve.

that is inherently false: you make trades to improve your TEAM and ideally find stability as a foundation for identity. the nuggets have achieved both stability and identity and are going against two teams that will be aging themselves out of contention while the nuggets mature. they had a plan and are building on that plan.

the knicks have been anything but stable since the trade, shipping vanloads in and out in an attempt to solve a problem that won't go away. the trade for melo was not based on any plan and that is the main reason they are having issues. had dolan stayed out of the way we would have been working towards success based on a plan instead of sputtering.

NYKBocker wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:The knicks are stuck as well but its new york and there is still hope that after this present team reaches its ceiling which likly has them never getting out of the 2nd round maybe ecf that superstars will want to come play in new york. No chance of of that in Denver. Denver will eventually trade gallo and co and do a full on rebuild. And it will be another 10yrs of rebuilding again until they win the lottery and grab the next big star. Hopefully this time they win the lottery and not fall short of Lebron

I think the Knuggets will surprise. They have a 3 headed center monster in Javale/Mozgov/Koufos. They have wing players in Gallo/Wilson/Iggy/Brewer. They have Lawson starting at the point and old man Miller backing him up. They have UK favorite Faried coming off the bench. I think they are closed to passing the 2nd round than the Knicks.

Its funny when UKers spend all this time on the knicks and never lift their head to look at other teams. Their fans have reason to be excited. Are they championship caliber? Not yet.

Are we despite the "stars" we have?

I don't know. Knugget fans have reaon to excited about their team as do we.

Are we better than the Knuggs? Is that how we measure the Trade?

I am looking forward to those two teams playing each other! Especially Melo back in Denver!

Honestly, would it be better for him to score 45 pts but knicks lose or him score 10 and knicks win?

Anyone care to answer this??