mrKnickShot wrote:

nixluva wrote:

Coach Eric Spoelstra’s new offensive philosophy, termed the “pace and space,” is already paying dividends. When you feature two of the NBA’s best players, it only makes sense to intensify your attack and maximize offensive opportunities.

Read more: http://articles.businessinsider.com/2011-12-28/sports/30564133_1_nba-jam-james-and-wade-video-game#ixzz23Rk4RVqE

Spoelstra is a good, smart coach, and I give him credit for tweaking the Heat’s early offense this season by incorporating a three-man pick-and-roll game on either side of the floor on semi-transition possessions when no set play has been called.

Only two other teams in the league have run such an action this season: the Knicks, when they were coached by Mike D’Antoni, and the Suns, who still run his offense.

http://www.spoelstraheat.com/tag/mike-d%E2%80%99antoni/

With Stoudemire out for Game 3 (and according to the Knicks, likely beyond that), New York is expected to spread the floor more often and play a more perimeter-oriented lineup, with Carmelo Anthony switching from small forward to power forward. That puts the onus on the Heat to stick close to the Knicks’ three-point shooters.

“That is exactly what we do,” Heat forward Chris Bosh said. “We have the speed, we have the IQ to chase those guys down.”

Read more here: http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/05/03/2780434/miami-heat-expects-spread-offense.html#storylink=cpy

So my assumption was correct.

Though, good data to back it up Nixluva

MDA definitely has a good offensive mind. My only issue with it was: If you don't have the horses to run your "system" then you have to be willing to switch it up. I felt that MDA would not / will not change his system based on personnel as Pat Riley has done with the Lakers, Knicks and Heat.

no it wasn't, not close. Nix did not attribute Miami's sucess with MDA, just pointed out similarities. Big difference.

mrKnickShot wrote:

nixluva wrote:

Coach Eric Spoelstra’s new offensive philosophy, termed the “pace and space,” is already paying dividends. When you feature two of the NBA’s best players, it only makes sense to intensify your attack and maximize offensive opportunities.

Read more: http://articles.businessinsider.com/2011-12-28/sports/30564133_1_nba-jam-james-and-wade-video-game#ixzz23Rk4RVqE

Spoelstra is a good, smart coach, and I give him credit for tweaking the Heat’s early offense this season by incorporating a three-man pick-and-roll game on either side of the floor on semi-transition possessions when no set play has been called.

Only two other teams in the league have run such an action this season: the Knicks, when they were coached by Mike D’Antoni, and the Suns, who still run his offense.

http://www.spoelstraheat.com/tag/mike-d%E2%80%99antoni/

With Stoudemire out for Game 3 (and according to the Knicks, likely beyond that), New York is expected to spread the floor more often and play a more perimeter-oriented lineup, with Carmelo Anthony switching from small forward to power forward. That puts the onus on the Heat to stick close to the Knicks’ three-point shooters.

“That is exactly what we do,” Heat forward Chris Bosh said. “We have the speed, we have the IQ to chase those guys down.”

Read more here: http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/05/03/2780434/miami-heat-expects-spread-offense.html#storylink=cpy

So my assumption was correct.

Though, good data to back it up Nixluva

MDA definitely has a good offensive mind. My only issue with it was: If you don't have the horses to run your "system" then you have to be willing to switch it up. I felt that MDA would not / will not change his system based on personnel as Pat Riley has done with the Lakers, Knicks and Heat.

What has been most frustrating for me over the years and why i've defended MDA is that i've never held him out to be the best ALL AROUND NBA coach. He's a system guy, but when you hire him you KNOW that he's a system guy and what he needs to run that system. There's almost not excuse for a team to hire this man and not give him what he needs to be successful.

Over the years i've pointed out that when the Knicks actually gave him a decent PG that was able to run a PnR, push the ball, penetrate and make good passes, his offense was very successful. Felton and Lin being the best examples. There's no excuse for the fact that he's had decent PG's for less then 82 games of the nearly 4 years he was here.

People knock his defense, but that defense we saw last year WAS MDA's DEFENSE!!! Woody didn't come here with some different defensive scheme that he employed all year and after MDA left. He may have tweaked it, but the overall system was what MDA has always used. Only this time with a DPOY to anchor it and a perimeter defender like Shump to help extend it. His PHX teams were never horrible on D. They just lacked a defensive anchor to make it all work.

During Linsanity we saw what MDA could do with less talent, but a willing team, decent PG that fit what he does and a defensive group featuring Tyson, Shump & Jared. It was very successful despite a lack of shooting and depth. The thought was that Melo couldn't excel playing the way MDA wanted him to and yet we see that he did in fact excel doing that with the Olympic team and he actually did well in his 1st yr with the Knicks playing that kind of role. MDA isn't the best coach in the NBA, but he's proven that he can help teams win if you work with him rather than against him.

nixluva wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

nixluva wrote:

Coach Eric Spoelstra’s new offensive philosophy, termed the “pace and space,” is already paying dividends. When you feature two of the NBA’s best players, it only makes sense to intensify your attack and maximize offensive opportunities.

Read more: http://articles.businessinsider.com/2011-12-28/sports/30564133_1_nba-jam-james-and-wade-video-game#ixzz23Rk4RVqE

Spoelstra is a good, smart coach, and I give him credit for tweaking the Heat’s early offense this season by incorporating a three-man pick-and-roll game on either side of the floor on semi-transition possessions when no set play has been called.

Only two other teams in the league have run such an action this season: the Knicks, when they were coached by Mike D’Antoni, and the Suns, who still run his offense.

http://www.spoelstraheat.com/tag/mike-d%E2%80%99antoni/

With Stoudemire out for Game 3 (and according to the Knicks, likely beyond that), New York is expected to spread the floor more often and play a more perimeter-oriented lineup, with Carmelo Anthony switching from small forward to power forward. That puts the onus on the Heat to stick close to the Knicks’ three-point shooters.

“That is exactly what we do,” Heat forward Chris Bosh said. “We have the speed, we have the IQ to chase those guys down.”

Read more here: http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/05/03/2780434/miami-heat-expects-spread-offense.html#storylink=cpy

So my assumption was correct.

Though, good data to back it up Nixluva

MDA definitely has a good offensive mind. My only issue with it was: If you don't have the horses to run your "system" then you have to be willing to switch it up. I felt that MDA would not / will not change his system based on personnel as Pat Riley has done with the Lakers, Knicks and Heat.

What has been most frustrating for me over the years and why i've defended MDA is that i've never held him out to be the best ALL AROUND NBA coach. He's a system guy, but when you hire him you KNOW that he's a system guy and what he needs to run that system. There's almost not excuse for a team to hire this man and not give him what he needs to be successful.

Over the years i've pointed out that when the Knicks actually gave him a decent PG that was able to run a PnR, push the ball, penetrate and make good passes, his offense was very successful. Felton and Lin being the best examples. There's no excuse for the fact that he's had decent PG's for less then 82 games of the nearly 4 years he was here.

People knock his defense, but that defense we saw last year WAS MDA's DEFENSE!!! Woody didn't come here with some different defensive scheme that he employed all year and after MDA left. He may have tweaked it, but the overall system was what MDA has always used. Only this time with a DPOY to anchor it and a perimeter defender like Shump to help extend it. His PHX teams were never horrible on D. They just lacked a defensive anchor to make it all work.

During Linsanity we saw what MDA could do with less talent, but a willing team, decent PG that fit what he does and a defensive group featuring Tyson, Shump & Jared. It was very successful despite a lack of shooting and depth. The thought was that Melo couldn't excel playing the way MDA wanted him to and yet we see that he did in fact excel doing that with the Olympic team and he actually did well in his 1st yr with the Knicks playing that kind of role. MDA isn't the best coach in the NBA, but he's proven that he can help teams win if you work with him rather than against him.

Nix, good take but a word of advice: Your not going to convince the few no matter what proof you bring. ITs ok to have your view and its one I pretty much share but arguing it is redundant. The same retort on how MDA could/would not adapt. Hes not "riles" so he ain't ****.

Until he wins a championship he won't get his due. Took Larry Brown not just an NCAA championship but an NBA one in Detroit to solidify his career.

I think with the right roster MDA SSOL is a fun thing to watch. I hope he lands a good job and gets a chance to prove himself.

Just so long as his success is not in conflict with the Knicks!

Bonn1997 wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:Nixluva,

Linsanity did not prove anything other than the fact that Lin is a good player. The schedule was awful.

The fact that he is a system guy and cannot adjust is a large blemish since many really good coaches are adaptable

Why did the Knicks hire Woody? Why did PHX want MDA to hire a defensive coach? And, who says that the defensive philosophy did not change under Woody from the beginning of the season? I though I saw a change in philosophy.

That point has gotten exaggerated more by the week. The schedule during that stretch was just slightly easier than our season schedule (winning percentage in the low .400s vs. mid .400s)

The difference was .059 to be exact (.425 vs. .484)

Here is a breakdown of the Linsanity schedule:

Feb. 4 vs. New Jersey Nets (13-20 on road)
Feb. 6 vs. Utah Jazz (11-22 on road)
Feb. 8 at Washington (11-22 at home)
Feb. 10 vs. Los Angeles Lakers (15-18 on road)
Feb. 11 at Minnesota Timberwolves (13-20 at home)
Feb. 14 at Toronto (13-20 at home)
Feb. 15 vs. Sacramento (6-27 on road)
Feb. 17 vs. New Orleans Hornets (10-23 on road)
Feb. 19 vs. Dallas Mavericks (13-20 on road)

combined 105 wins vs 192 losses

Can it get any easier???

CASE CLOSED

Look in the end, BOTH Woody and MDA depend on the teams players to make them look good. Woody certainly benefited from a HOT Melo in April. If Melo could've given half of what he gave the team in April the rest of the year they likely wouldn't have had to play the Heat in round 1. When you distill it down to the raw essence of what happened that's it in a nutshell.

This coming year the team will again depend on Melo being the GOOD Melo and not the bad Melo we saw most of last year.

mrKnickShot wrote:So since you claim that the Linsanity schedule has gotten exaggerated more by the week, here we go!

Here is a breakdown of the Linsanity schedule:

Feb. 4 vs. New Jersey Nets (13-20 on road)
Feb. 6 vs. Utah Jazz (11-22 on road)
Feb. 8 at Washington (11-22 at home)
Feb. 10 vs. Los Angeles Lakers (15-18 on road)
Feb. 11 at Minnesota Timberwolves (13-20 at home)
Feb. 14 at Toronto (13-20 at home)
Feb. 15 vs. Sacramento (6-27 on road)
Feb. 17 vs. New Orleans Hornets (10-23 on road)
Feb. 19 vs. Dallas Mavericks (13-20 on road)

combined 105 wins vs 192 losses

Can it get any easier???

CASE CLOSED

knicks1248 wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:Nixluva,

Linsanity did not prove anything other than the fact that Lin is a good player. The schedule was awful.

The fact that he is a system guy and cannot adjust is a large blemish since many really good coaches are adaptable

Why did the Knicks hire Woody? Why did PHX want MDA to hire a defensive coach? And, who says that the defensive philosophy did not change under Woody from the beginning of the season? I though I saw a change in philosophy.

Why do keep saying the schedule was soft during the linsanity begining....vegas odds had us losing evey game other then the wizards..on paper we were worse then anyteam we faced...

Not true...excluding the Nets where the Knicks were 7 point favorites, the 8 games were split 4 to 4 fav/dog. The Knicks were getting 2 againt the Wizzards. Besides gambling odds are not indicative of who should win a game, just who the house would like you to bet on.

Bonn1997 wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:So since you claim that the Linsanity schedule has gotten exaggerated more by the week, here we go!

Here is a breakdown of the Linsanity schedule:

Feb. 4 vs. New Jersey Nets (13-20 on road)
Feb. 6 vs. Utah Jazz (11-22 on road)
Feb. 8 at Washington (11-22 at home)
Feb. 10 vs. Los Angeles Lakers (15-18 on road)
Feb. 11 at Minnesota Timberwolves (13-20 at home)
Feb. 14 at Toronto (13-20 at home)
Feb. 15 vs. Sacramento (6-27 on road)
Feb. 17 vs. New Orleans Hornets (10-23 on road)
Feb. 19 vs. Dallas Mavericks (13-20 on road)

combined 105 wins vs 192 losses

Can it get any easier???

CASE CLOSED

That can't be right. You're claiming that those 11 teams played a combined 297 games last season.

I did not total their winning pct as a whole, that would not be an accurate assessment since it depends on if the games were at Home or Away.

I totaled up the full season winning pct for either their home or away record depending on where the game was played. How is that not fair and accurate? And, I did the same for the post Linsanity record to give it proper context.

I compared the Linsanity games to the 10 games post Linsanity (when Melo came back) until MDA left.

So, the Linsanity oppositions adjusted winning pct was .353 vs the post Linsanity oppositions adjusted winning pct of .621

Far from the same no? So who killed Linsanity? Looks like the schedule did to me.

Bonn1997 wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:So since you claim that the Linsanity schedule has gotten exaggerated more by the week, here we go!

Here is a breakdown of the Linsanity schedule:

Feb. 4 vs. New Jersey Nets (13-20 on road)
Feb. 6 vs. Utah Jazz (11-22 on road)
Feb. 8 at Washington (11-22 at home)
Feb. 10 vs. Los Angeles Lakers (15-18 on road)
Feb. 11 at Minnesota Timberwolves (13-20 at home)
Feb. 14 at Toronto (13-20 at home)
Feb. 15 vs. Sacramento (6-27 on road)
Feb. 17 vs. New Orleans Hornets (10-23 on road)
Feb. 19 vs. Dallas Mavericks (13-20 on road)

combined 105 wins vs 192 losses

Can it get any easier???

CASE CLOSED

That can't be right. You're claiming that those 11 teams played a combined 297 games last season.

I did not total their winning pct as a whole, that would not be an accurate assessment since it depends on if the games were at Home or Away.

I totaled up the full season winning pct for either their home or away record depending on where the game was played. How is that not fair and accurate? And, I did the same for the post Linsanity record to give it proper context.

I compared the Linsanity games to the 10 games post Linsanity (when Melo came back) until MDA left.

So, the Linsanity oppositions adjusted winning pct was .362 vs the post Linsanity oppositions adjusted winning pct of .621

Far from the same no? So who killed Linsanity? Looks like the schedule did to me.

Now that you've explained what you did, I would say it is reasonable.
Given that our opponents winning percentage was .480 for the season, you could say that the Linsanity run was a little closer to the level of opponent we'd be seeing regularly than the post-Linsanity run was, although the Linsanity run still was easier.

Well yes. .480 is closer to .350 then .350 is to .621. However, many stated that Melo killed Linsanity and I am just proving that this is completely not the case.

So lets look at the full picture:

Pre-Linsanity, the knicks had TD as the PG. Lin turned out to be a very good player and TD was not. That, and the fact that the Linsanity schedule was easy as 123 was a bit of a camouflager to what Linsanity really was. As I said, it did not prove much about the system as it proved that we needed any viable PG that was not named Toney. Let's not forget that the system was so un-adaptable to it's players that MDA allowed TD to lead the knicks by a decent margin in 3 pt attempts while shooting a whopping 25% from downtown.

MDA knows offense. But its only his offense that he is really good at executing.

And, all the blanket statements of how Melo killed Linsanity and comparing the two records is stupider than stupid.

I loved Lin and will miss him on the Knicks. I can't say that I hope he does well since he is now playing for an enemy. Did the knicks make the correct move by not bringing him back? I can't say because I am not a capologist but I did wish that they brought him back.