Anji wrote:Oh god........... I watch other teams because their bench could be starters for but Melo is letting his team down here in New York??? Did I just that Shit??? SMH, keep digging that hole bro, just own up to it during the season.

own up to what? the knicks had better end up being a top 2 seed, top 3 seed at worst-- forget the record it's who they face in the first round that matters. that means first and foremost winning the atlantic division and convincingly.

anything short of a strong second round appearance by dolan's folly and everyone will be screaming for anther overhaul.

arkrud wrote:

tkf wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

tkf wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

tkf wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:Bump. GMs vote Melo 3rd most likely to win NBA MVP!
http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york/knicks/post/_/id/26482/gms-nyk-2nd-in-atlantic-melo-3rd-in-mvp
This further reinforces my view that now is the time to trade him.

I am for this.

He does not have a good enough team around him to seriously contend. We might as well get asses for him while his value is extremely high.

actually this team does not have a good enough max player to contend.. that is how things need to be looked at with carmelo.. enough with blaming the team.. it is getting old as hell.... the guy fails his team more than the team fails him... it has been that way for 10 years now!

The knicks don't have THREE good enough max players to contend. You are in a fog.

You need to get a life

no they don't.. one can't stay healthy( and I am an amare fan) the other in chandler is a good player, but he shouldn't be considered a max talent, and carmelo, please, the guy is a colossal playoff failure in sneakers..... if anything you are in a fog, you have nothing to back up your beliefs except that " you believe".. that is good if you are rolling with Jessie jackson, but this is the NBA and you are in another world bro...

talk about get a life? rofl, look in the mirror bro..

Well Tyson is not on a max contract anyway. I think the max you can get depends on how long you've been in the league but is usually around $80 mil or more. Tyson got $56 mil. He easily earned his money last year.

he got paid on par with other centers in the league pretty much... as i said, he is not a max talent or player which is why I am not sure the poster said we had 3 max contracts or players..... but i have no problem with how he played last year...

NBA players cost is based on demand and supply.
Players with unique talent like LeBron, Durant, Kobe, Waid, Supperman are counted. Not every team can get it not tlaking about getting 2 or 3. So here is max price.
Chandler is good defensive center with limited offense and he prised in his range fairly.
Melo is overpaid becouse he is a unique offensive player but his other qualities - defense, team skills, passing and court vision, leadesheep are lacking. Dolan need somebody who looks like max guy so he took Melo as it was no other player willing to play for Knicks and Jimmy sore a..ss.
Stat was always overpaid because of his health issues and zero defense.
We also paid a lot of money for players who should retire or get veteran minimum.
Jimmy get scared of Russian in Brooklyn and panicked big time.
You cannot show Russians from Brooklyn any fier. They will get you a...sss get hang in a NY minute.

Exactly! Supply and demand.

How many teams with cap room would offer Melo the max? MOST. Would they if they can get Lebron, Wade or Durant instead? Of course NOT!

How many teams with cap room would offer Amare the max? Just us - nobody would offer him anything close and that is not just now, that was true when we signed him.

How many teams with cap room would offer Tyson what we paid him? Some but not at the cost of the Amnesty with a player like Amare on board. Back when we signed him, only Golden State made an offer and that was after winning a ring.

SUPPLY AND DEMAND!

Anji wrote:Oh god........... I watch other teams because their bench could be starters for but Melo is letting his team down here in New York??? Did I just that Shit??? SMH, keep digging that hole bro, just own up to it during the season.

What's there going to be to own up to? Melo will still be here. Hate will remain alive!

dk7th wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

arkrud wrote:

tkf wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

tkf wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

tkf wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:Bump. GMs vote Melo 3rd most likely to win NBA MVP!
http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york/knicks/post/_/id/26482/gms-nyk-2nd-in-atlantic-melo-3rd-in-mvp
This further reinforces my view that now is the time to trade him.

I am for this.

He does not have a good enough team around him to seriously contend. We might as well get asses for him while his value is extremely high.

actually this team does not have a good enough max player to contend.. that is how things need to be looked at with carmelo.. enough with blaming the team.. it is getting old as hell.... the guy fails his team more than the team fails him... it has been that way for 10 years now!

The knicks don't have THREE good enough max players to contend. You are in a fog.

You need to get a life

no they don't.. one can't stay healthy( and I am an amare fan) the other in chandler is a good player, but he shouldn't be considered a max talent, and carmelo, please, the guy is a colossal playoff failure in sneakers..... if anything you are in a fog, you have nothing to back up your beliefs except that " you believe".. that is good if you are rolling with Jessie jackson, but this is the NBA and you are in another world bro...

talk about get a life? rofl, look in the mirror bro..

Well Tyson is not on a max contract anyway. I think the max you can get depends on how long you've been in the league but is usually around $80 mil or more. Tyson got $56 mil. He easily earned his money last year.

he got paid on par with other centers in the league pretty much... as i said, he is not a max talent or player which is why I am not sure the poster said we had 3 max contracts or players..... but i have no problem with how he played last year...

NBA players cost is based on demand and supply.
Players with unique talent like LeBron, Durant, Kobe, Waid, Supperman are counted. Not every team can get it not tlaking about getting 2 or 3. So here is max price.
Chandler is good defensive center with limited offense and he prised in his range fairly.
Melo is overpaid becouse he is a unique offensive player but his other qualities - defense, team skills, passing and court vision, leadesheep are lacking. Dolan need somebody who looks like max guy so he took Melo as it was no other player willing to play for Knicks and Jimmy sore a..ss.
Stat was always overpaid because of his health issues and zero defense.
We also paid a lot of money for players who should retire or get veteran minimum.
Jimmy get scared of Russian in Brooklyn and panicked big time.
You cannot show Russians from Brooklyn any fier. They will get you a...sss get hang in a NY minute.

Exactly! Supply and demand.

How many teams with cap room would offer Melo the max? MOST. Would they if they can get Lebron, Wade or Durant instead? Of course NOT!

How many teams with cap room would offer Amare the max? Just us - nobody would offer him anything close and that is not just now, that was true when we signed him.

How many teams with cap room would offer Tyson what we paid him? Some but not at the cost of the Amnesty with a player like Amare on board. Back when we signed him, only Golden State made an offer and that was after winning a ring.

SUPPLY AND DEMAND!

giving out a max contract is one thing, giving out a max contract and trying to build a champion around someone getting max money is quite another.

people are not upset about the money if it was only that. it is the conceit that he was worth trading away players in order to build a winner around him. it can't be done!

at least with stoudemire we have a track record of success: get him an elite pick and roll point guard and the guy will deliver to the point of where he is a positive-sum player despite his defensive woes.

with melo it is the more he stuffs his statsheet the more the team suffers-- it's the marbury syndrome all over again.

Orangeboobs?? or Marbs Crossdresser??

dk7th wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

dk7th wrote:

Anji wrote:Oh god........... I watch other teams because their bench could be starters for but Melo is letting his team down here in New York??? Did I just that Shit??? SMH, keep digging that hole bro, just own up to it during the season.

own up to what? the knicks had better end up being a top 2 seed, top 3 seed at worst-- forget the record it's who they face in the first round that matters. that means first and foremost winning the atlantic division and convincingly.

anything short of a strong second round appearance by dolan's folly and everyone will be screaming for anther overhaul.

Ah ... interesting ... so you equate them to a 2 or 3 seed talent wise? WOW!

no i said they had better end up being a top 2 seed or 3 seed. right now i see their ceiling as a 4 seed because i don't see them winning the division and i don't see them compiling a better record than the heat, pacers, or the celtics. do you? they have to be better than mediocre and they have to face a worse than mediocre team. that means facing a 6 7 or 8 in the first round.

once they do that and prevail they must not be annihilated in 4 or 5 games. nobody will be content with a second round disaster which is all woodson's teams have ever known.

Well instead of saying what the BETTER do and NOT LESS THAN, how about predicting where you think they will finish?

I see them at the 5 or 6.

And, what ever happens, they are not getting by Miami (I don't care what round they play them, its irrelevant). Will fans not be happy with that? Who cares! Many fans of all teams will be unhappy.

But but but we have a drought!

So what - now we will have a longer drought!

DAMN MELO!

mrKnickShot wrote:

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

arkrud wrote:

tkf wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

tkf wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

tkf wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:Bump. GMs vote Melo 3rd most likely to win NBA MVP!
http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york/knicks/post/_/id/26482/gms-nyk-2nd-in-atlantic-melo-3rd-in-mvp
This further reinforces my view that now is the time to trade him.

I am for this.

He does not have a good enough team around him to seriously contend. We might as well get asses for him while his value is extremely high.

actually this team does not have a good enough max player to contend.. that is how things need to be looked at with carmelo.. enough with blaming the team.. it is getting old as hell.... the guy fails his team more than the team fails him... it has been that way for 10 years now!

The knicks don't have THREE good enough max players to contend. You are in a fog.

You need to get a life

no they don't.. one can't stay healthy( and I am an amare fan) the other in chandler is a good player, but he shouldn't be considered a max talent, and carmelo, please, the guy is a colossal playoff failure in sneakers..... if anything you are in a fog, you have nothing to back up your beliefs except that " you believe".. that is good if you are rolling with Jessie jackson, but this is the NBA and you are in another world bro...

talk about get a life? rofl, look in the mirror bro..

Well Tyson is not on a max contract anyway. I think the max you can get depends on how long you've been in the league but is usually around $80 mil or more. Tyson got $56 mil. He easily earned his money last year.

he got paid on par with other centers in the league pretty much... as i said, he is not a max talent or player which is why I am not sure the poster said we had 3 max contracts or players..... but i have no problem with how he played last year...

NBA players cost is based on demand and supply.
Players with unique talent like LeBron, Durant, Kobe, Waid, Supperman are counted. Not every team can get it not tlaking about getting 2 or 3. So here is max price.
Chandler is good defensive center with limited offense and he prised in his range fairly.
Melo is overpaid becouse he is a unique offensive player but his other qualities - defense, team skills, passing and court vision, leadesheep are lacking. Dolan need somebody who looks like max guy so he took Melo as it was no other player willing to play for Knicks and Jimmy sore a..ss.
Stat was always overpaid because of his health issues and zero defense.
We also paid a lot of money for players who should retire or get veteran minimum.
Jimmy get scared of Russian in Brooklyn and panicked big time.
You cannot show Russians from Brooklyn any fier. They will get you a...sss get hang in a NY minute.

Exactly! Supply and demand.

How many teams with cap room would offer Melo the max? MOST. Would they if they can get Lebron, Wade or Durant instead? Of course NOT!

How many teams with cap room would offer Amare the max? Just us - nobody would offer him anything close and that is not just now, that was true when we signed him.

How many teams with cap room would offer Tyson what we paid him? Some but not at the cost of the Amnesty with a player like Amare on board. Back when we signed him, only Golden State made an offer and that was after winning a ring.

SUPPLY AND DEMAND!

giving out a max contract is one thing, giving out a max contract and trying to build a champion around someone getting max money is quite another.

people are not upset about the money if it was only that. it is the conceit that he was worth trading away players in order to build a winner around him. it can't be done!

at least with stoudemire we have a track record of success: get him an elite pick and roll point guard and the guy will deliver to the point of where he is a positive-sum player despite his defensive woes.

with melo it is the more he stuffs his statsheet the more the team suffers-- it's the marbury syndrome all over again.

Orangeboobs?? or Marbs Crossdresser??

Wrong Guy - That is 3G4G no doubt.

DK is not nearly as vindictive.

They all have a boner for Melo don't they?...

mrKnickShot wrote:

dk7th wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

dk7th wrote:

Anji wrote:Oh god........... I watch other teams because their bench could be starters for but Melo is letting his team down here in New York??? Did I just that Shit??? SMH, keep digging that hole bro, just own up to it during the season.

own up to what? the knicks had better end up being a top 2 seed, top 3 seed at worst-- forget the record it's who they face in the first round that matters. that means first and foremost winning the atlantic division and convincingly.

anything short of a strong second round appearance by dolan's folly and everyone will be screaming for anther overhaul.

Ah ... interesting ... so you equate them to a 2 or 3 seed talent wise? WOW!

no i said they had better end up being a top 2 seed or 3 seed. right now i see their ceiling as a 4 seed because i don't see them winning the division and i don't see them compiling a better record than the heat, pacers, or the celtics. do you? they have to be better than mediocre and they have to face a worse than mediocre team. that means facing a 6 7 or 8 in the first round.

once they do that and prevail they must not be annihilated in 4 or 5 games. nobody will be content with a second round disaster which is all woodson's teams have ever known.

Well instead of saying what the BETTER do and NOT LESS THAN, how about predicting where you think they will finish?

I see them at the 5 or 6.

And, what ever happens, they are not getting by Miami (I don't care what round they play them, its irrelevant). Will fans not be happy with that? Who cares! Many fans of all teams will be unhappy.

But but but we have a drought!

So what - now we will have a longer drought!

DAMN MELO!

Not many, not fans of the lakers, or the celtics, or teams that are supposed to be legit contnders.. If I were a sixers or pacers fan, sure I would be happy... A young team, progressing and getting better, next year we would look to improve on the previous year with the team we have...

This is not the knicks situation.... they are old, capped out, no flexibility, no youth( and shumpert is one player, that is not having youth!) and no picks.... It is this year or blow it up... this is the course the knicks have taken and this is the course most knick fans like yourself have cosigned, and you show it every day when you go out of your way to bash former players to seek validation for this suicide all or nothing course this team has taken...

mrKnickShot wrote:

dk7th wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

dk7th wrote:

Anji wrote:Oh god........... I watch other teams because their bench could be starters for but Melo is letting his team down here in New York??? Did I just that Shit??? SMH, keep digging that hole bro, just own up to it during the season.

own up to what? the knicks had better end up being a top 2 seed, top 3 seed at worst-- forget the record it's who they face in the first round that matters. that means first and foremost winning the atlantic division and convincingly.

anything short of a strong second round appearance by dolan's folly and everyone will be screaming for anther overhaul.

Ah ... interesting ... so you equate them to a 2 or 3 seed talent wise? WOW!

no i said they had better end up being a top 2 seed or 3 seed. right now i see their ceiling as a 4 seed because i don't see them winning the division and i don't see them compiling a better record than the heat, pacers, or the celtics. do you? they have to be better than mediocre and they have to face a worse than mediocre team. that means facing a 6 7 or 8 in the first round.

once they do that and prevail they must not be annihilated in 4 or 5 games. nobody will be content with a second round disaster which is all woodson's teams have ever known.

Well instead of saying what the BETTER do and NOT LESS THAN, how about predicting where you think they will finish?

I see them at the 5 or 6.

And, what ever happens, they are not getting by Miami (I don't care what round they play them, its irrelevant). Will fans not be happy with that? Who cares! Many fans of all teams will be unhappy.

But but but we have a drought!

So what - now we will have a longer drought!

DAMN MELO!

tough to say right now-- i need to see them play several games before i feel confident enough to make a prediction. they're going into the season banged up as it is. i am mildly surprised you seed them that low but maybe you are playing it safe so you don't set yourself up for disappointment.

i know it's a taboo subject but i still say stat should be the 6th man and novak should be a floor stretcher. i don't know if woodson will take advantage of stat being hurt to start the season to even do this but any good team has a floor spreader these days. and i have heard that novak has started to put the ball on the floor, so...

if prigoni is a good pick and roll player then he and stat should play the two-man game.

if the knicks against all odds and common sense actually gel then yes they have the talent to get by either the celtics or the pacers in the regular season and capture a third seed.

i am not confident in woodson's coaching ability.

all i want at the end of the day is a strong competitive second round season-- i have zero hope that this group can win a championship.

dk7th wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

dk7th wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

dk7th wrote:

Anji wrote:Oh god........... I watch other teams because their bench could be starters for but Melo is letting his team down here in New York??? Did I just that Shit??? SMH, keep digging that hole bro, just own up to it during the season.

own up to what? the knicks had better end up being a top 2 seed, top 3 seed at worst-- forget the record it's who they face in the first round that matters. that means first and foremost winning the atlantic division and convincingly.

anything short of a strong second round appearance by dolan's folly and everyone will be screaming for anther overhaul.

Ah ... interesting ... so you equate them to a 2 or 3 seed talent wise? WOW!

no i said they had better end up being a top 2 seed or 3 seed. right now i see their ceiling as a 4 seed because i don't see them winning the division and i don't see them compiling a better record than the heat, pacers, or the celtics. do you? they have to be better than mediocre and they have to face a worse than mediocre team. that means facing a 6 7 or 8 in the first round.

once they do that and prevail they must not be annihilated in 4 or 5 games. nobody will be content with a second round disaster which is all woodson's teams have ever known.

Well instead of saying what the BETTER do and NOT LESS THAN, how about predicting where you think they will finish?

I see them at the 5 or 6.

And, what ever happens, they are not getting by Miami (I don't care what round they play them, its irrelevant). Will fans not be happy with that? Who cares! Many fans of all teams will be unhappy.

But but but we have a drought!

So what - now we will have a longer drought!

DAMN MELO!

tough to say right now-- i need to see them play several games before i feel confident enough to make a prediction. they're going into the season banged up as it is. i am mildly surprised you seed them that low but maybe you are playing it safe so you don't set yourself up for disappointment.

i know it's a taboo subject but i still say stat should be the 6th man and novak should be a floor stretcher. i don't know if woodson will take advantage of stat being hurt to start the season to even do this but any good team has a floor spreader these days. and i have heard that novak has started to put the ball on the floor, so...

if prigoni is a good pick and roll player then he and stat should play the two-man game.

if the knicks against all odds and common sense actually gel then yes they have the talent to get by either the celtics or the pacers in the regular season and capture a third seed.

i am not confident in woodson's coaching ability.

all i want at the end of the day is a strong competitive second round season-- i have zero hope that this group can win a championship.

I agree with everything you said.

I am not sold on Woodson, Stat should not start ...

They are old and injury prone and do not have a good enough starting PG. They don't have any shooting guard who can actually shoot. They don't have a post player.

If they are healthy they might win a bunch of games on defense.

If they get to the second round, they've exceeded my expectations as well.

I will still watch the games though and root for the team.

arkrud wrote:

holfresh wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

arkrud wrote:

tkf wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

tkf wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

tkf wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:Bump. GMs vote Melo 3rd most likely to win NBA MVP!
http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york/knicks/post/_/id/26482/gms-nyk-2nd-in-atlantic-melo-3rd-in-mvp
This further reinforces my view that now is the time to trade him.

I am for this.

He does not have a good enough team around him to seriously contend. We might as well get asses for him while his value is extremely high.

actually this team does not have a good enough max player to contend.. that is how things need to be looked at with carmelo.. enough with blaming the team.. it is getting old as hell.... the guy fails his team more than the team fails him... it has been that way for 10 years now!

The knicks don't have THREE good enough max players to contend. You are in a fog.

You need to get a life

no they don't.. one can't stay healthy( and I am an amare fan) the other in chandler is a good player, but he shouldn't be considered a max talent, and carmelo, please, the guy is a colossal playoff failure in sneakers..... if anything you are in a fog, you have nothing to back up your beliefs except that " you believe".. that is good if you are rolling with Jessie jackson, but this is the NBA and you are in another world bro...

talk about get a life? rofl, look in the mirror bro..

Well Tyson is not on a max contract anyway. I think the max you can get depends on how long you've been in the league but is usually around $80 mil or more. Tyson got $56 mil. He easily earned his money last year.

he got paid on par with other centers in the league pretty much... as i said, he is not a max talent or player which is why I am not sure the poster said we had 3 max contracts or players..... but i have no problem with how he played last year...

NBA players cost is based on demand and supply.
Players with unique talent like LeBron, Durant, Kobe, Waid, Supperman are counted. Not every team can get it not tlaking about getting 2 or 3. So here is max price.
Chandler is good defensive center with limited offense and he prised in his range fairly.
Melo is overpaid becouse he is a unique offensive player but his other qualities - defense, team skills, passing and court vision, leadesheep are lacking. Dolan need somebody who looks like max guy so he took Melo as it was no other player willing to play for Knicks and Jimmy sore a..ss.
Stat was always overpaid because of his health issues and zero defense.
We also paid a lot of money for players who should retire or get veteran minimum.
Jimmy get scared of Russian in Brooklyn and panicked big time.
You cannot show Russians from Brooklyn any fier. They will get you a...sss get hang in a NY minute.

Exactly! Supply and demand.

How many teams with cap room would offer Melo the max? MOST. Would they if they can get Lebron, Wade or Durant instead? Of course NOT!

How many teams with cap room would offer Amare the max? Just us - nobody would offer him anything close and that is not just now, that was true when we signed him.

How many teams with cap room would offer Tyson what we paid him? Some but not at the cost of the Amnesty with a player like Amare on board. Back when we signed him, only Golden State made an offer and that was after winning a ring.

SUPPLY AND DEMAND!

giving out a max contract is one thing, giving out a max contract and trying to build a champion around someone getting max money is quite another.

people are not upset about the money if it was only that. it is the conceit that he was worth trading away players in order to build a winner around him. it can't be done!

at least with stoudemire we have a track record of success: get him an elite pick and roll point guard and the guy will deliver to the point of where he is a positive-sum player despite his defensive woes.

with melo it is the more he stuffs his statsheet the more the team suffers-- it's the marbury syndrome all over again.

Orangeboobs?? or Marbs Crossdresser??

Wrong Guy - That is 3G4G no doubt.

DK is not nearly as vindictive.

They all have a boner for Melo don't they?...

Melo is not Marbs. He is not a minus, but he is not a plus.
Melo is very expensive luxury complimentary player for the team to win it all.
The Olympics showed this clearly. Melo was great in his element - finishing the opponents.
Some people just cannot lead. They can just do their work at high level under good supervision and leadership.
This is Melo. Give him the leader role and you are screwed.
He may win the chip one day but behind another real Alfa-dog or if he will surrender to a team concept where he is not a focal point.
Clyde mentioned many times that Melo is great when he is playing in team concept and let ball come to him, when he is patient, sharing the ball, getting back on defense and rebounding.
But this kind of Melo is not the one who is liked by his fans - this is boring Melo.
But this will be winning Melo and unfortunately he is not exists.

Melo is NOT a leader and definitely needs an alpha dog to lead.

A KG, Shaq, Lebron, CP3 or even Rondo would be really really nice.