Solace wrote:Chandler and Melo for Howard.. no thanks. The combo of Chandler and Melo is better than the combo of Howard and Hedo Turkoglu. Why make our team worse?

rvwink wrote:"How much more egotistical can a player get than dismantling a team you're going to sign with anyway? How come no one is willing to comment on this fact?!"

Melo had just witnessed how Lebron became hated in Cleveland. He liked his time in Denver, and wanted to leave on good terms with both the fans and the management. He didn't want to have to go back to play in Denver and have all of his former fans boo him.

I don't see that as a egotistical behavior. He likely told his agent about his concerns and listened to them when they came up with a plan to accomplish what he wanted. I don't see how you can blame Melo for Dolan's stupidity. The Knicks team had to get rid of salaries to sign Melo. It turned into being "dismantled" because of the what Dolan agreed to do, not because of what Melo did.

Now that I have answered your question, I would like to answer a question you didn't ask. Your idea of trading Melo because he hasn't worked out for the Knicks in the past, is not first rate thinking. Just because he didn't work out previously, doesn't mean Melo will never work out. Waiting to see how Amare and Melo work out now that we have an excellent point guard on the team is not rocket science. Btw, did you know that Melo's spokesperson put out a story that said that Melo was lobbying MDA to give Lin playing time?

You actually think MElo did this as a favor to Denver? LOL, no chance. Denver had enough depth without him. There is not one shred of evidence to support the crazy hypothesis of what is being put out here. Look, I think we can succeed with MElo and this lineup (now, with Lin) but I can see him pretty clearly, both in interviews and on the court. That guy is about "ME" it's even in his name. People are what they are, we don't separate them into two different personalities - one at work and one at home. e.g. - If you are an aggressive person at work you can't be a soft loving one at home. You can try to act it, but it just doesn't work like that.

I agree as in the quote above that it was really selfish to help dismantle the team here when all he had to do was say the right things, play it low key and come as a FA. Luckily we were able to get some talent, it seems. It wasn't easy, we again were great in the draft and then were able to get Lin. But all of this was chancy at the time.

He did this for the money. If he wanted to really do something for the team he should have accepted less money to play here like the big 3 did in Miami. Then we would have had more free money for other players.

This is just absolutely crazy what is being said now here but if it makes you feel better about him then go on believing it. Great thing about belief systems.

Bonn1997 wrote:Our core has not shown cohesion. Jared Jeffries and other role players (who were not involved in the trade proposal) have shown cohesion.

The Peoples Captain is Tyson Chandler. Cohesion on defense starts with him because of his experience as a champion. Jeffries is a good defender. So is Shumpert, who is borderline great on d. Landry Fields can hold his own. Lin shows the ability to stay between his man and the hoop.

On offense, the cohesion with Lin (or hopefully, Baron Davis) is a work in progress. The ball movement will continue with Carmelo where Bill Walker used to be. To diss the vets and Lin working together, before they have played ONE game together, is just a temper tantrum.

What else can it be?

misterearl wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:Our core has not shown cohesion. Jared Jeffries and other role players (who were not involved in the trade proposal) have shown cohesion.

The Peoples Captain is Tyson Chandler. Cohesion on defense starts with him because of his experience as a champion. Jeffries is a good defender. So is Shumpert, who is borderline great on d. Landry Fields can hold his own. Lin shows the ability to stay between his man and the hoop.

On offense, the cohesion with Lin (or hopefully, Baron Davis) is a work in progress. The ball movement will continue with Carmelo where Bill Walker used to be. To diss the vets and Lin working together, before they have played ONE game together, is just a temper tantrum.

What else can it be?

http://ultimateknicks.com/forum/topic.asp?t=40908

From Alan Hahn (disclaimer: the article posted in this thread contains real info and actual quotes from players)

Melo is still out with a groin strain, but could return to the lineup later this week, perhaps by Friday's game against the New Orleans Hornets. But the turnaround of the Knicks in his absence has not been lost on the all-star forward. Actually, what few people know is he's one of the reasons why Lin got that chance against the Nets. Melo was one of the voices that encouraged D'Antoni to give the unknown, undrafted point guard more minutes.

And now people expect him to destroy what he helped create? Lin, as Carmelo said, is "thriving" in "the system that we're running" and that's undeniable. It should be pointed out here that Melo's highest scoring season came while playing with Andre Miller, a traditional point guard, and Allen Iverson, a ball-dominant scoring guard. Not to mention that with the ball in Lin's hands, the pressure is now off Melo to be a facilitator and now he can focus on what he does best: scoring.

Bonn1997 wrote:Melo's play on the court is what will make critics of his ability to fit with teammates (including Lin) shut their mouths. If he helps the team win lots of games, criticism will go away. Until then, it's well-earned.

You describe Melo in a way more fit for Marbury. All Melo has ever done in the NBA is play on winning teams. All of them. Winning. You would describe him as some malcontent cancer. Good job. I wonder if while the Knicks are working their way up the playoff seeding chart if you will still subject us to this drivel. Pretty sure we all already know

Bonn1997 wrote:I merely did not think your description of the past was accurate (that we should keep Melo and Chandler because our team has shown cohesion).

Bonn1997 - the past is so last week. If you prefer to remain stuck in it, please be my guest.

The future is so bright, The Answer Man Has gotta wear shades.

Knick fans, over value players on other teams while undervaluing their own players. I'm not sure what to make of "Today's' fans