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misterearl
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1/12/2012  11:21 AM    LAST EDITED: 1/12/2012  11:22 AM
AnubisADL wrote:Shumpert gives me flashbacks of Crawford. Hopefully he gets his mind right.

"gets his mind right."?

Are you watching the games or just making ish up?

Shump changes things. An anger to win. Look in his eyes. He plays with the ferocity of Michael Jordan.

Yeah I said it.

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1/12/2012  11:29 AM
misterearl wrote:
AnubisADL wrote:Shumpert gives me flashbacks of Crawford. Hopefully he gets his mind right.

Shump changes things. An anger to win. Look in his eyes. He plays with the ferocity of Michael Jordan.

Yeah I said it.

Jrodmc say misterE knows well that misterE is way over the top at this point with the MJ comment based on respective "careers".

Shump more like Sprewell at this point. Same D. Similiar chip on the shoulder. Plus cramps. Minus the pure j/scorer type.
The kid's game is electric.

God, I'm happy...

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1/12/2012  11:32 AM
Love Shumps, but let's not mention him in same breathe as MJ yet lol.
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1/12/2012  2:57 PM
ChuckBuck wrote:Love Shumps, but let's not mention him in same breathe as MJ yet lol.

Let's. Let's mention Shumpert in the context of Michael Jordans fierce will to win. This is not about stats, rings, sneaker endorsements or the NBA Hall Of Fame. It is simply an observation on intensity.

When Shumpert hit Stoudemire with the sweet assist after the steal - his plea to his running buddies (with lip reading) was along the lines of, "dammit, c'mon... we should be KILLIN' this thing..."

Translation: Follow Me.

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1/12/2012  3:06 PM
misterearl wrote:
ChuckBuck wrote:Love Shumps, but let's not mention him in same breathe as MJ yet lol.

Let's. Let's mention Shumpert in the context of Michael Jordans fierce will to win. This is not about stats, rings, sneaker endorsements or the NBA Hall Of Fame. It is simply an observation on intensity.

When Shumpert hit Stoudemire with the sweet assist after the steal - his plea to his running buddies (with lip reading) was along the lines of, "dammit, c'mon... we should be KILLIN' this thing..."

Translation: Follow Me.

Can't find fault there, dude is really intense and chatty lol. Glad we made the change, he's a huge catalyst in the beginning of games. TD goes hard, but his demeanor and personality is more suited to a backup role. Shumps don't care if you're All NBA or making $20 mill/yr, he's yelling "SWITCH!" "PICK!" or "HELP!" to you no matter what.

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1/12/2012  3:20 PM
misterearl wrote:
ChuckBuck wrote:Love Shumps, but let's not mention him in same breathe as MJ yet lol.

Let's. Let's mention Shumpert in the context of Michael Jordans fierce will to win. This is not about stats, rings, sneaker endorsements or the NBA Hall Of Fame. It is simply an observation on intensity.

When Shumpert hit Stoudemire with the sweet assist after the steal - his plea to his running buddies (with lip reading) was along the lines of, "dammit, c'mon... we should be KILLIN' this thing..."

Translation: Follow Me.

MJ has been known to maximize the production from his team mates. He does mostly by asserting himself with his own play, leading by example, a lot of negative reinforcements, and some positive reinforcements as well. Many do not know that Jordan verbally and physically abused his team, striking fear to gaining production.

Tyson Chandler and Iman Shumpert bring a great level of intensity but use more positive reinforcements for guidance and gain productiveness. Iman Shumpert has that "killer instinct" and confidence on both ends, that many players lack. Those are ingredients needed to be considered in the pedigree of an "all star" level player. Aside from his physical skills, hard work ethic, communication, and positive attitude to increase his teammates confidence.

He has that demeanor, charisma, swagger, and confidence that really separates him from many of the talented rookies that come in the league.
He virtually inserts himself as a leader and is very surprising to have those qualities coming right out of college and in to the NBA, without a summer/training camp to work with the coach and staff. It has been a pleasure watching him so far and will continue to watch him develop with the rest of the Knicks, as he will probably be one of the faces of the franchise within time.

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1/12/2012  3:40 PM
misterearl wrote:
AnubisADL wrote:Shumpert gives me flashbacks of Crawford. Hopefully he gets his mind right.

"gets his mind right."?

Are you watching the games or just making ish up?

Shump changes things. An anger to win. Look in his eyes. He plays with the ferocity of Michael Jordan.

Yeah I said it.

Dude makes stupid mistakes. Rookie or not the guy played 3 years in college.

Bone headed plays are bone headed plays.

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1/12/2012  3:56 PM    LAST EDITED: 1/12/2012  3:58 PM
RonRon - your outstanding take brings to mind another angle on playing personality. As Tyson Chandler has assumed the role of traffic cop on defense - and Shumpert jumps in with both feet directing the offense - could it create some creative tension with the two "stars"?

Carmelo and Stoudemire have barely played 40 games together and all of a sudden... BOOM... here come two new (vocal) guys, Chandler and Shumpert. Fortunately, the effort has been channeled into better team defense. The defensive leaders are Chandler, Shump and Carmelo. Stoudemire and Fields are along for the ride.

Now it gets interesting. The personalities must also learn to share the ball. 13 total assists last night is not enough. On offense, Shumpert is the floor manager. Carmelo is the so-called "go-to" guy. Shump adds a second solo virtuoso who can create off the dribble. Stoudemire requires the ball in a spot where he is not required to dribble more than twice. Fields and Chandler get the scraps.

Shumpert's "demeanor, charisma, swagger, and confidence" has jump started the veterans who were floundering with you-know-who. The only question is how much he asserts himself in the fourth quarter. It should be one of the great sub plots of the season.

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1/13/2012  9:20 AM
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"Reggie Miller late in the 2nd quarter - "You need a strong will point guard, to come in and say okay now it's your touches and now it's your touches. Right now you've got a rookie leading them and he's never seen situations like this before." Which reminds me of the comment that Chauncey made after the season was over last year and he was asked what he could do for this team if he were brought back and what his role would be. Chauncey made that comment about when you have 2 alpha males like Amare and Carmelo who always want the ball, you need an experienced point guard out there, who can deal with that type of situation and is not afraid to stand up to them. And Reggie's right. Shumpert should have never been put in that situation. There's a hell of a lot more than just bringing the ball up court, when it comes to playing point guard in the NBA. The point guard situation should have been resolved before the season even started and should have never come down to this."

- Stllaknick, NYDaily News

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1/13/2012  3:54 PM
Ok, I can't take it anymore.. I'm currently watching the Memphis game... and SHumpert is TERRIBLE. I hate the guy, really. It's the second quarter and that guy is 3-14, taking terrible shots very early in the clock. This is so bad... Stoudemire has taken only taken one shot so far... what's wrong with that kid ?

Can anyone tell him a guy wo's not a good shooter shold never take shots early in the clock without even one single pass in the possession... geez, he plays with Melo and STAT, does he think he's btter than them ? I don't understand what people see in him... he plays high energy like Nate or Balkman, hardly basketball examples if you ask me.

I guess people love emotion and energy, I love smart basketball.

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1/13/2012  3:59 PM
The guys on TNT are now ripping Sumhpert for his play, saying that in past years, noone would have allowed a rookie to play like that, not looking for his teammates and taking those early shots. They can't understand noone talks to Shumpert about that. I'm glad I'm not alone, I kinda felt like it looking at this FANboard ! Shump has taken 14 shots in 15 minutes, how crazy is that ???
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1/13/2012  4:00 PM
FrenchKnicks wrote:Ok, I can't take it anymore.. I'm currently watching the Memphis game... and SHumpert is TERRIBLE. I hate the guy, really. It's the second quarter and that guy is 3-14, taking terrible shots very early in the clock. This is so bad... Stoudemire has taken only taken one shot so far... what's wrong with that kid ?

Can anyone tell him a guy wo's not a good shooter shold never take shots early in the clock without even one single pass in the possession... geez, he plays with Melo and STAT, does he think he's btter than them ? I don't understand what people see in him... he plays high energy like Nate or Balkman, hardly basketball examples if you ask me.

I guess people love emotion and energy, I love smart basketball.

Kobe did the same thing when he came into the league. It's called being a rookie.

The rookie does have to get better, but with time.

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1/13/2012  4:00 PM
FrenchKnicks wrote:Ok, I can't take it anymore.. I'm currently watching the Memphis game... and SHumpert is TERRIBLE. I hate the guy, really. It's the second quarter and that guy is 3-14, taking terrible shots very early in the clock. This is so bad... Stoudemire has taken only taken one shot so far... what's wrong with that kid ?

Can anyone tell him a guy wo's not a good shooter shold never take shots early in the clock without even one single pass in the possession... geez, he plays with Melo and STAT, does he think he's btter than them ? I don't understand what people see in him... he plays high energy like Nate or Balkman, hardly basketball examples if you ask me.

I guess people love emotion and energy, I love smart basketball.

I prefer smart hoops too, but the guy is the only player on the roster of this type. And we need his fearless attitude on both offense and defense.

Stupid shots are a consequence of his unbridled energy. He should come into his own and find a balance after gaining more experience.

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1/13/2012  4:15 PM
Patience Patience! One game out of what, his 7 games, doesn't make a career. 7 NBA games he's played, and he had ONE terrible one. He will learn, he is coachable, and he did acknowledge and apologize for his performance on Twitter.
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1/13/2012  4:19 PM
Here's the thing I want from Shumpert - play more like he did in the Washington game, particularly the third quarter he started. In that game, he was a true facilitator. He had 7 assists, which is more than double what he's had in any other game.

He needs to get back to that Shump. Focus on facilitating on offense, not trying to create his own shot from the halfcourt set. Let his own offense come naturally out of trying to facilitate.

I think the hype went to his head a bit and he tried to have a big game on TNT (don't think these guys don't pay attention to when they're on TNT).

I think he'll be fine. But I do hope that D'Antoni is stressing for Shump to play like he did in Washington.

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1/13/2012  5:22 PM
ChuckBuck wrote: and he did acknowledge and apologize for his performance on Twitter.

Oh, well, if that's the case...

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1/13/2012  5:47 PM
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ChuckBuck wrote: and he did acknowledge and apologize for his performance on Twitter.

Oh, well, if that's the case...

Yup

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1/13/2012  5:58 PM
Shump being allowed to jack and not be repremanded is on the coach. Didn't get a chance to watch much of the game, but my question is, did the coach yank him out after he went 1 on 4 and jacked an early, illadvised jumper? Did MDA coach him on the floor? Pull him aside during freethrows? Something? I mean, if the coach gives everyone a green-light, what do you expect, especially from a rook who doesn't have NBA experience yet?
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1/13/2012  6:36 PM
He would benefit from being benched for a game, but the thought of again having TD running the point, is beyond unbearable.
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2/8/2012  11:12 PM
Et tu Baron?

ChuckBuck wrote:Patience Patience! One game out of what, his 7 games, doesn't make a career. 7 NBA games he's played, and he had ONE terrible one. He will learn, he is coachable, and he did acknowledge and apologize for his performance on Twitter.

Shumpert has been displaying a lot more discipline on offense lately. Almost to the point where he has been turning down open looks. The rookie has benefitted from his new role as sixth man, which could be a perfect role for him, along with Novak. Add Harrellson with Jeffries and the second unit suddenly has some firepower, defense and rebounding.

If we could bring a quality lead guard off the bench, things could get very interesting.

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