Juice wrote:The positive about this thread it should fall off the 1rst page now that he can't play anymore meaningless/meaningful games.

and summer league is cancelled so the AR lap dogs like myself can't post about his triple doubles on guys who will be in the D league.

martin wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

Juice wrote:The kid finished strong and like a Pro....23ptson 11-17fg

I just saw that. His not being here is totally on D'Antoni. As far as the argument that you can't play young guys that need to develop how did Moz fit into that. He certainly had his moments and I don't think he has the upside that Randolph does. It is a big blemish on D'Antoni's tenure in NY. How this kid was coming off the bench after Rautins in some blow outs is unbelieveable.

hey, if you want to ever look at 2 sides to an argument, you would probably garner a bit more discussion and respect for your thoughts.

BTW, AR was traded for the Billups/Melo deal, right? And traded by Donnie.

martin i think the fair response to this would be IF he had done what he's done on the other NBA teams he's played on (GSW, Minny) and put up 11/5/1/1 in 20mpg for the knicks, perhaps they could've kept mozgov or maybe the draft picks traded wouldn't have been so harsh (because his individual value would've been higher and thus the knicks would've been giving up more)? or maybe they could've got something more than corey brewer in a deal for him? (i never really looked into it -- so we got a pick from minny which we then forwarded to denver for carmelo?)

BigSm00th wrote:

martin wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

Juice wrote:The kid finished strong and like a Pro....23ptson 11-17fg

I just saw that. His not being here is totally on D'Antoni. As far as the argument that you can't play young guys that need to develop how did Moz fit into that. He certainly had his moments and I don't think he has the upside that Randolph does. It is a big blemish on D'Antoni's tenure in NY. How this kid was coming off the bench after Rautins in some blow outs is unbelieveable.

hey, if you want to ever look at 2 sides to an argument, you would probably garner a bit more discussion and respect for your thoughts.

BTW, AR was traded for the Billups/Melo deal, right? And traded by Donnie.

martin i think the fair response to this would be IF he had done what he's done on the other NBA teams he's played on (GSW, Minny) and put up 11/5/1/1 in 20mpg for the knicks, perhaps they could've kept mozgov or maybe the draft picks traded wouldn't have been so harsh (because his individual value would've been higher and thus the knicks would've been giving up more)? or maybe they could've got something more than corey brewer in a deal for him? (i never really looked into it -- so we got a pick from minny which we then forwarded to denver for carmelo?)

AR looked crappy during the first part of the season pretty much every time he played. Reportedly, he also pretty much dogged it in practice.

As a coach who needs his team to get to the playoffs, you, as the coach would:

1) Play him more?
2) Play him less until he earns playing time (through stuff like practice)?

SupremeCommander wrote:I think AR's best-case scenario is to have a career like Charlie Villanueva or Darko Milicic. Disappointing, but good enough to lead to one cap killing contract

what are you gonna do? the kid has talent and the kid is a nut case. mike d'antoni is absolutely not the coach you’d want working with him, it's just not in his resume to be effective with a kid like this.

franco12 wrote:

loweyecue wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:Randolph was D'Antoni's last man off the bench for some games and yet he is putting up these numbers with just limited minutes.

He's put up strong numbers when given playing time with five double-doubles in nine games when playing over 20 minutes, so he's someone to keep an eye on this summer when Minnesota inevitably overhauls their roster again.

(Rotowire.com)

He was worse than complete garbage in limited minutes over here. Or is it the coach's fault that he thought he was playing point for the Knicks with Felton and TD on the floor? This "Crush" you have for AR has gone on long enough, don't you think? I mean how much is "a lot"?

Yes. I think D'Antoni believed AR could play that kind of role - he clearly stated such during the summer we acquired him:

At summer league in Las Vegas, I asked D’Antoni where Randolph fits in with this Knicks club, and the answer was clear, D’Antoni knows Randolph’s value lies in his versatility.

“He’s a multi-position player that has a world of talent whose athleticism is off the charts. He’s only played two years in the league and just turned 21. There’s a lot of positives and we’ll figure out where we fit him in, and figure out what the best position is for him, but he can play a lot of places. “

http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/07/17/mike-dantoni-on-anthony-randolph-and-his-plural-position/

UH Where exactly did he say Randolph was going to play the "point" every time he touched the ball and jack up horrible ill advised shots? Saying someone is versatile is now supposed to be "proof" that he agreed to play him Point Forward? That's the best you can do? Why even bother..

BigSm00th wrote:

loweyecue wrote:You want NBA coaches to do the job of a college coach and you make it sound like it's their fault for not doing it. The Knicks head coaching job is arguably hottest seat in all pro sports and no coach in that position can focus large chnks of their time building up confidence of mentally weak players. If AR needed that level of mollycoddling to bhandle pressure he should have stayed in college. He made a huge mistake coming into the NBA and I don't see how you can transfer the blame for that incredibly stupid decision to an NBA head coach fighting to keep his job where his starting rotation changes each season. Stop comparing what an average coach on losing team could have done because the Knicks coaching job is not an average job and yes we have the most incredibly high pressure environment. I thnk this whole argument is weak and vapid and has been repeats ad nauseum and it needs to stop. This environment is not conducive to coddling people and if MDA even attempted to do it fans would be calling to fire him for playing favorites which they frequently do with other players.

what about the lakers development of andrew bynum, drafted when he was 17?

why should a pro coaching staff with however many coaches the knicks have just let this guy fall by the wayside?

what exactly does herb williams do every day? he's been here for how many years now and all of the young bigs we've had have been busts (i mean, how long is this list starting with maciej lampe & sweetney and going thru jordan hill & AR).

how hard would it have been to get in this kid's ear the minute he got traded for lee and say "listen AR we believe in your skilllz and if you listen to us and work hard you are gonna be a star." they should've been playing marcus camby tapes around the clock from 1999. instead it looks like MDA just talked to him through the media, gave him an "opportunity" by playing him in preseason and the first game, and the first airball from MDA's favorite spot (the corner 3) MDA was sizing up his bench and deciding who to put in there that "fit". AR was then reckoned to the bench, never to be heard from again unless the knicks were up or down by 30 points. this is a guy who people around the league knew was a fragile ego. baptism by fire baby!!! enjoy the double-doubles, minnesota!

your argument (who cares that the knicks lost a talented 21 yr old 7 footer who'd be a top 5 pick in the draft! we are in the playoffs!) is shortsighted and "vapid" as you say.

how did he make a "huge mistake" by leaving early LOL he has CLEARLY shown he can play. just in the last 10 games he's had nights of:
3/24 v. dallas: 31 pts 11 reb 3 ast 2 stl 1 blk
3/25 v. OKC: 24 pts 15 reb 2 ast 2 stl 1 blk
4/5 v. NJ: 20 pts 10 reb 2 blk 1 stl
4/11 v. PHX: 24 pts 10 reb 3 ast 2 stl

that is 4 double doubles out of his last 10 games and not one THREE POINTER taken! and there is the crux of at least my AR argument -- that this guy didnt play because he didn't fit into MDA's system, MDA needed to win, and MDA can only win with guys who fit into his scheme.

good coaches figure out ways to fit talented players into their system! ron artest and lamar odom are both in the triangle offense! phil jax didn't just send those guys to the bench and say "get me smarter players" he made the system work with them. that AR just came and went like that b/c he couldn't hit a corner 3 is a tremendous waste of an asset.

if AR was a top 5 pick from the 2010 draft do you trade him after seeing him in a handful of meaningful minutes? do you treat him like MDA and his staff did? i don't think so. blunder by MDA. rome wasn't built in a day. the knicks have stat and melo and they are back in the playoffs but it takes a roster of 8 to 9 solid players who bring different things to the table to compete at a championship level -- this guy could've been one of those guys.

I think you totally and completely missed the point of my post. This is New York. Its the biggest stage where the lights are he brightest, the expectation the highest and the fans most vocal. The media is rabid and every thing you do is second guessed to death and beyond 3 million times over. (Just read this thread again for proof). You get thrown in to the pond with everyone else, if you don't know how to swim...TOUGH SHIT.

Anthony Randolph has zero mental toughness and that is evident from all the people asking about why he wasn't "coddled" by MDA. And this guy will not survive on any team where these conditions apply whether it be in LA, Chicago, Boston or NY. He was stupid to come out of college becuase staying in college would have helped him develop his confidence because that is where coaches are supposed to develop players. And it would have done him a world of good. I wanted this kid to succeed as much as anyone when he got here. But everything about him was negative from get go and it was obvious he couldn't handle the pressure.

On top of that he was selfish with the ball and didn't even try to fit into the offense. I don't watch Minny games (Thank goodness!) but I can bet he doesn't play in the flow of the offense over there either (if there is such a thing in Miny).