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3/18/2011  10:32 PM
SupremeCommander wrote:hahaha, funny joke. y'all can stop ****ing with me now

C'mon man...you're the funniest man in the world.

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3/18/2011  10:32 PM
crzymdups wrote:for what it's worth - Pacers scored 115pts on the Bulls tonight and beat them. Tyler Hansbrough had 29pts. if only the bulls could play defense or had a center...

Knicks are learning on the fly. We just saw Game 8 of Billups/Melo/Amar'e all together... and it was ugly. I'm going to give it a little more time.

Obviously we need a center. But I still think THIS specific group can play better.

When Turiaf was on the floor tonight we looked real good. I wonder if he can give us 25min a night? And I watched the whole second half and I don't think I saw Jeffries once. What's up with that?

Turiaf can't stay healthy if his minutes go above 20. Also, do you think the #1 defense would lose a back to back to the Pacers and allow him to do the same thing again with Thibs coaching?
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3/18/2011  10:33 PM
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crzymdups wrote:for what it's worth - Pacers scored 115pts on the Bulls tonight and beat them. Tyler Hansbrough had 29pts. if only the bulls could play defense or had a center...

Knicks are learning on the fly. We just saw Game 8 of Billups/Melo/Amar'e all together... and it was ugly. I'm going to give it a little more time.

Obviously we need a center. But I still think THIS specific group can play better.

When Turiaf was on the floor tonight we looked real good. I wonder if he can give us 25min a night? And I watched the whole second half and I don't think I saw Jeffries once. What's up with that?

Yeah, shocking that the #1 defense in the league looked mortal for one game.

Our defense will never be as good as their defense. They will give up 115 points and be pissed off and have the next 20 teams under 90 points. We can get owned by the Pacers back-to-back. That wouldn't happen in Chicago. That's not our mentality and never will be under this coach. And it falls on the "superstars" we have too. Derrick Rose is the defensive leader on that team. That team was missing Noah for most of the season and they still had one of the best records in the NBA with Kurt Thomas at center. Why? Defense. How? Derrick Rose leading the defense with his actions on the defensive end. Plus having a great defensive coach doesn't hurt.

Bulls have also played together for more than 8 games. That helps, too. Things like training camp help, too.

And, I have to say, I've not been too impressed in the 5 or 6 games I've watched of the Bulls this season.

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3/18/2011  10:33 PM
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crzymdups wrote:for what it's worth - Pacers scored 115pts on the Bulls tonight and beat them. Tyler Hansbrough had 29pts. if only the bulls could play defense or had a center...

Knicks are learning on the fly. We just saw Game 8 of Billups/Melo/Amar'e all together... and it was ugly. I'm going to give it a little more time.

Obviously we need a center. But I still think THIS specific group can play better.

When Turiaf was on the floor tonight we looked real good. I wonder if he can give us 25min a night? And I watched the whole second half and I don't think I saw Jeffries once. What's up with that?

Turiaf can't stay healthy if his minutes go above 20. Also, do you think the #1 defense would lose a back to back to the Pacers and allow him to do the same thing again with Thibs coaching?

I don't know. Maybe if the Bulls were playing the Pacers on Sunday we could know the answer to your fascinating hypothetical.

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3/18/2011  10:34 PM
14 games, now.
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3/18/2011  10:35 PM    LAST EDITED: 3/18/2011  10:38 PM
crzymdups wrote:
Childs2Dudley wrote:
crzymdups wrote:for what it's worth - Pacers scored 115pts on the Bulls tonight and beat them. Tyler Hansbrough had 29pts. if only the bulls could play defense or had a center...

Knicks are learning on the fly. We just saw Game 8 of Billups/Melo/Amar'e all together... and it was ugly. I'm going to give it a little more time.

Obviously we need a center. But I still think THIS specific group can play better.

When Turiaf was on the floor tonight we looked real good. I wonder if he can give us 25min a night? And I watched the whole second half and I don't think I saw Jeffries once. What's up with that?

Yeah, shocking that the #1 defense in the league looked mortal for one game.

Our defense will never be as good as their defense. They will give up 115 points and be pissed off and have the next 20 teams under 90 points. We can get owned by the Pacers back-to-back. That wouldn't happen in Chicago. That's not our mentality and never will be under this coach. And it falls on the "superstars" we have too. Derrick Rose is the defensive leader on that team. That team was missing Noah for most of the season and they still had one of the best records in the NBA with Kurt Thomas at center. Why? Defense. How? Derrick Rose leading the defense with his actions on the defensive end. Plus having a great defensive coach doesn't hurt.

Bulls have also played together for more than 8 games. That helps, too. Things like training camp help, too.

And, I have to say, I've not been too impressed in the 5 or 6 games I've watched of the Bulls this season.

Defense has to be practiced too. But it is also 50% effort. The effort isn't there and the coach is doing nothing tohold anyone accountable for it or change his philosophy.

What you said still doesn't explain why derrick Rose is a great defender. Is it because he spent training camp with Keith Bogans and Taj Gibson? Or is it a little of Tom Thibodeau and a little of his own personal pride and effort on that end? I'd say both but more the latter.

The Bulls are tied for the 1st seed in the East and you're not impressed. Yet the Knicks are somehow a team that is more dangerous even without a killer instinct on defense from the coach and star players. Okay.

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3/18/2011  10:37 PM
crzymdups wrote:
Childs2Dudley wrote:
crzymdups wrote:for what it's worth - Pacers scored 115pts on the Bulls tonight and beat them. Tyler Hansbrough had 29pts. if only the bulls could play defense or had a center...

Knicks are learning on the fly. We just saw Game 8 of Billups/Melo/Amar'e all together... and it was ugly. I'm going to give it a little more time.

Obviously we need a center. But I still think THIS specific group can play better.

When Turiaf was on the floor tonight we looked real good. I wonder if he can give us 25min a night? And I watched the whole second half and I don't think I saw Jeffries once. What's up with that?

Yeah, shocking that the #1 defense in the league looked mortal for one game.

Our defense will never be as good as their defense. They will give up 115 points and be pissed off and have the next 20 teams under 90 points. We can get owned by the Pacers back-to-back. That wouldn't happen in Chicago. That's not our mentality and never will be under this coach. And it falls on the "superstars" we have too. Derrick Rose is the defensive leader on that team. That team was missing Noah for most of the season and they still had one of the best records in the NBA with Kurt Thomas at center. Why? Defense. How? Derrick Rose leading the defense with his actions on the defensive end. Plus having a great defensive coach doesn't hurt.

Bulls have also played together for more than 8 games. That helps, too. Things like training camp help, too.

And, I have to say, I've not been too impressed in the 5 or 6 games I've watched of the Bulls this season.


I think you will be impresseed with them in the playoffs. Being the number one defensive team, having an mvp canidate, and having one of the most highly regarded defensive coaches in the game usually translates into playoff success.
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3/18/2011  10:39 PM
crzymdups wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
crzymdups wrote:for what it's worth - Pacers scored 115pts on the Bulls tonight and beat them. Tyler Hansbrough had 29pts. if only the bulls could play defense or had a center...

Knicks are learning on the fly. We just saw Game 8 of Billups/Melo/Amar'e all together... and it was ugly. I'm going to give it a little more time.

Obviously we need a center. But I still think THIS specific group can play better.

When Turiaf was on the floor tonight we looked real good. I wonder if he can give us 25min a night? And I watched the whole second half and I don't think I saw Jeffries once. What's up with that?

Turiaf can't stay healthy if his minutes go above 20. Also, do you think the #1 defense would lose a back to back to the Pacers and allow him to do the same thing again with Thibs coaching?

I don't know. Maybe if the Bulls were playing the Pacers on Sunday we could know the answer to your fascinating hypothetical.


I think if you are the number one seed in the east and the number one defensive team in the league on 3/18 it isn't a hypothetical.
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3/18/2011  10:45 PM
markvmc wrote:
SupremeCommander wrote:hahaha, funny joke. y'all can stop ****ing with me now

C'mon man...you're the funniest man in the world.

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3/18/2011  10:46 PM
Gotta say, you did make me laugh there!
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3/18/2011  10:51 PM
markvmc wrote:Gotta say, you did make me laugh there!

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3/18/2011  11:27 PM
At what point do the players just come ready to play D from the start on their own. Forget about the Media, Fans or coaches for a second. They know to a man that their one big flaw is that they tend to play with less than the necessary intensity on D. After all the attention given to this, why should any coach have to say or do anything more to get the players to give more effort? The only thing I see is that they have huge parts of each game where they just don't play hard. If you and I know what the problem is and we're not at practice or in film sessions, why is it so hard for these players?

When they meet just before the game the coaches are preaching D. When they come back to the bench the coaches are screaming for them to dig in on D. It's obvious by the fact that the other team is scoring that they need stops. Yet the best players on this team aren't leading the way in that regard. TD seems to get the message. Williams is playing hard. Turiaf and Jared always seem to give great effort. Are they the only ones who are getting coached up on D?

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3/18/2011  11:31 PM
nixluva wrote:At what point do the players just come ready to play D from the start on their own. Forget about the Media, Fans or coaches for a second. They know to a man that their one big flaw is that they tend to play with less than the necessary intensity on D. After all the attention given to this, why should any coach have to say or do anything more to get the players to give more effort? The only thing I see is that they have huge parts of each game where they just don't play hard. If you and I know what the problem is and we're not at practice or in film sessions, why is it so hard for these players?

When they meet just before the game the coaches are preaching D. When they come back to the bench the coaches are screaming for them to dig in on D. It's obvious by the fact that the other team is scoring that they need stops. Yet the best players on this team aren't leading the way in that regard. TD seems to get the message. Williams is playing hard. Turiaf and Jared always seem to give great effort. Are they the only ones who are getting coached up on D?

Maybe you haven't paid attention to their careers but Carmelo and Amare have never been good defenders. In fact, they've been awful.

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3/18/2011  11:40 PM
The coach was just on his show on MSG and was talking about the 119 point Indiana game. He said it shouldn't have gotten down to the final shot with .3 seconds left if they had just held them to 100 and the Knicks won by 17. So his defensive goal is to keep teams at 100 or less. A true coach who is serious about that end should demand 90 points or less, regardless of the team executing it or not. Giving them that much freedom allows them to relax on plays like they do now.
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3/19/2011  12:11 AM
Childs2Dudley wrote:The coach was just on his show on MSG and was talking about the 119 point Indiana game. He said it shouldn't have gotten down to the final shot with .3 seconds left if they had just held them to 100 and the Knicks won by 17. So his defensive goal is to keep teams at 100 or less. A true coach who is serious about that end should demand 90 points or less, regardless of the team executing it or not. Giving them that much freedom allows them to relax on plays like they do now.

With the pace they want to play I understand why he set the number higher. It doesn't matter how many points as much as the effort they put into getting stops. I don't think he's saying go ahead and let them score. This is just a warped interpretation of what he was saying. We avg 106 so keeping teams to 100 or less should always be the goal. that's not saying let them score 100. They had a 2 hour practice just on D alone and this isn't the only practice where they've been going over things defensively. They didn't lose this game due to schemes or lack of being prepared. They simply didn't bring the intensity and take it serious enough. And just so you know we all know the reputations of STAT and Melo on D, but that doesn't excuse them from giving an honest effort.

Also there were mistakes made on the offensive end tonight that had nothing to do with effort on D. Just bad play and decision making from guys that aren't supposed to do such things. Billups and Melo shouldn't be the cause of a loss due to bad offense.

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3/19/2011  12:18 AM
I'm real disappointed in this game. The guys that make the big bucks for closing out did not.
Bill Simmons on Tyreke Evans "The prototypical 0-guard: Someone who handles the ball all the time, looks for his own shot, gets to the rim at will and operates best if his teammates spread the floor to watch him."
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3/19/2011  12:21 AM
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tkf wrote:other than TD tonight, this team stinks..

Amare still has his explosing

Send billups to the glue factory

This team just doesn't fall apart.. they fall absolutely apart.. to pieces..

this team sucks!!!!!!!


Never was for the trade. Not for one sec. I didn't even want Melo at all to be honest. Only as a Free Agent and that would have been very reluctantly. Told you we are boring and we're no good

STARPHUCKING and sounds like we're trying to get a CLUSTER of them

It will get you every time

No sad faces though, not allowed

well you knew where I stood before the trade.. wanted melo as a FA.. didn't want this trade... knew we would gut this team and become a two man iso show...

and we stink

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3/19/2011  12:23 AM    LAST EDITED: 3/19/2011  12:27 AM
nixluva wrote:
Childs2Dudley wrote:The coach was just on his show on MSG and was talking about the 119 point Indiana game. He said it shouldn't have gotten down to the final shot with .3 seconds left if they had just held them to 100 and the Knicks won by 17. So his defensive goal is to keep teams at 100 or less. A true coach who is serious about that end should demand 90 points or less, regardless of the team executing it or not. Giving them that much freedom allows them to relax on plays like they do now.

With the pace they want to play I understand why he set the number higher. It doesn't matter how many points as much as the effort they put into getting stops. I don't think he's saying go ahead and let them score. This is just a warped interpretation of what he was saying. We avg 106 so keeping teams to 100 or less should always be the goal. that's not saying let them score 100. They had a 2 hour practice just on D alone and this isn't the only practice where they've been going over things defensively. They didn't lose this game due to schemes or lack of being prepared. They simply didn't bring the intensity and take it serious enough. And just so you know we all know the reputations of STAT and Melo on D, but that doesn't excuse them from giving an honest effort.

Also there were mistakes made on the offensive end tonight that had nothing to do with effort on D. Just bad play and decision making from guys that aren't supposed to do such things. Billups and Melo shouldn't be the cause of a loss due to bad offense.

Then why are the players confused as what to do on D if there's this much focus on it in downtime? Maybe he's spending time going over the wrong defensive principles per his personnel. Maybe the coach has a major problem identifying offensive and defensive matchups from game to game.

Melo openly admitted they didn't scout Hansbrough to prep for the Pacers. So while coaching involves teaching offense and defense and maybe just maybe in your wildest dream he's intensely focusing on both sides...Well he's dropping the ball elsewhere and it's obvious because he isn't maximizing what he's had here all year. Not even the previous 2 seasons considering.

We haven't OVERACHIEVED under his watch 3yrs here and we should have at least 1 of these seasons. This you can't deny and don't have a case for.

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nixluva wrote:
Childs2Dudley wrote:The coach was just on his show on MSG and was talking about the 119 point Indiana game. He said it shouldn't have gotten down to the final shot with .3 seconds left if they had just held them to 100 and the Knicks won by 17. So his defensive goal is to keep teams at 100 or less. A true coach who is serious about that end should demand 90 points or less, regardless of the team executing it or not. Giving them that much freedom allows them to relax on plays like they do now.

With the pace they want to play I understand why he set the number higher. It doesn't matter how many points as much as the effort they put into getting stops. I don't think he's saying go ahead and let them score. This is just a warped interpretation of what he was saying. We avg 106 so keeping teams to 100 or less should always be the goal. that's not saying let them score 100. They had a 2 hour practice just on D alone and this isn't the only practice where they've been going over things defensively. They didn't lose this game due to schemes or lack of being prepared. They simply didn't bring the intensity and take it serious enough. And just so you know we all know the reputations of STAT and Melo on D, but that doesn't excuse them from giving an honest effort.

Also there were mistakes made on the offensive end tonight that had nothing to do with effort on D. Just bad play and decision making from guys that aren't supposed to do such things. Billups and Melo shouldn't be the cause of a loss due to bad offense.

Then why are the players confused as what to do on D if there's this much focus on it in downtime? Maybe he's spending time going over the wrong defensive principles per his personnel. Maybe the coach has a major problem identifying offensive and defensive matchups from game to game.

Melo openly admitted they didn't scout Hansbrough to prep for the Pacers. So while coaching involves teaching offense and defense and maybe just maybe in your wildest dream he's intensely focusing on both sides...Well he's dropping the ball elsewhere and it's obvious because he isn't maximizing what he's had here all year. Not even the previous 2 seasons considering.

We haven't OVERACHIEVED under his watch 3yrs here and we should have at least 1 of these seasons. This you can't deny and don't have a case for.


They weren't confused that often tonight. The biggest issue I saw was a lack of urgency to start the game. This allowed the Pistons to gain confidence. Weak teams know our reputation is that we play down to the competition. They've seen our games too. So it's the mental approach of our players that has to change. They think they're better than they are and that they can turn it on when they have to, but what they don't realize is that they let the other team gain a comfort level and confidence and then it's hard to close them out, cuz they can smell they have a chance to win. These teams give us their best effort and we aren't matching the intensity. They view the Knicks like the Heat now.

You're wrong about Melo saying we didn't scout Hansbrough. He was complaining about schemes not changing and then he contradicted himself and asked that they not make so many changes. He should keep his mouth shut and just play some D. I think you're paying too much attention to what's written and said around here by some with agendas. There were a few instances where the team was out of synch defensively, but that wasn't the main reason they lost. Watch the game again if you can and then break down what actually happened in the game, cuz it doesn't seem like you watched what was happening.

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3/19/2011  5:03 AM
“I thought our defense was solid,” D’Antoni said.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/19/sports/basketball/19knicks.html?_r=1&ref=basketball

Exactly why he needs to get fired ASAP.

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