umynot wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:Ford is saying the Nets pick is unprotected. This might not be a bad move for the Jazz.

This year?

Yes, this year.

So again: Utah got a #3 overall pick from the 2010 draft who is 19yrs old, a probable top 5 pick from 2011 and a pick that is only top 7 protected from the Warriors who will most likely be in that 8-14 range.

That is three lottery picks.

The Knicks had nowhere near that stash of draft picks to offer the Jazz. Nets paid a lot more in future potential assets than the Knicks did.

umynot wrote:

knickstorrents wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:Rebuilding teams like lottery picks.

I think this deal was driven by the realities of the upcoming CBA. They are now in a very good position to handle whatever the new agreement might bring. I think they realized they weren't going to win it all with the roster they had, so they decided to go into rebuilding mode.

This is a very good move for the Jazz.

Is it?

You lose D Will and get Harris?

Favors gets minutes in Utah?..... Over Millsap?

This was a loss for Utah but this was pay back for Sloan

Plain and simple...... Utah's GM and King are friends

Thats how this happened

It ain't about the players.. it's about the flexibility.. amassing picks now is a very good move as new players will conform to whatever the new agreed upon scale will be (which will likely be smaller). So they are setting themselves up very nicely for the future.

Also I'm not sure if you watch the games, but Millsap is a small forward. Favors is clearly a Power Forward/Center

crzymdups wrote:

umynot wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:Ford is saying the Nets pick is unprotected. This might not be a bad move for the Jazz.

This year?

Yes, this year.

So again: Utah got a #3 overall pick from the 2010 draft who is 19yrs old, a probable top 5 pick from 2011 and a pick that is only top 7 protected from the Warriors who will most likely be in that 8-14 range.

That is three lottery picks.

The Knicks had nowhere near that stash of draft picks to offer the Jazz. Nets paid a lot more in future potential assets than the Knicks did.

Yeah that is a huge price

knickstorrents wrote:

umynot wrote:

knickstorrents wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:Rebuilding teams like lottery picks.

I think this deal was driven by the realities of the upcoming CBA. They are now in a very good position to handle whatever the new agreement might bring. I think they realized they weren't going to win it all with the roster they had, so they decided to go into rebuilding mode.

This is a very good move for the Jazz.

Is it?

You lose D Will and get Harris?

Favors gets minutes in Utah?..... Over Millsap?

This was a loss for Utah but this was pay back for Sloan

Plain and simple...... Utah's GM and King are friends

Thats how this happened

It ain't about the players.. it's about the flexibility.. amassing picks now is a very good move as new players will conform to whatever the new agreed upon scale will be (which will likely be smaller). So they are setting themselves up very nicely for the future.

Also I'm not sure if you watch the games, but Millsap is a small forward. Favors is clearly a Power Forward/Center

Milsap is a power foward

I obviously didnt realize they got NJ #1 pick unprotected

Makes deal sweeter

And your right they did considering

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SupremeCommander wrote:

VCoug wrote:

SupremeCommander wrote:

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fishmike wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

SupremeCommander wrote:The minutes HAVE TO BE factored in, as well as his age and the pace he will be asked to play. Look, i'm not upset that Chauncey Billups is going to be giving the Knicks 30 MPG. But what's going to happen when he has to play 42 the first night of a back-to-back

Pace is relatively the same.

And he averages 32.3m a game. Last year he averaged 35. The difference is likely more due to Lawson being a very capable back-up.

Nash is averaging 33.3.

Kidd 33.7.

Playing the age card is pretty weak.

If there is evidence that Chauncey Billups can't 33m a night, produce it.

"34" doesn't cut the mustard.

age is a huge factor and Billups isnt a long term solution. His play has tailed off because he's not the defensive player he was 2-3 years ago.

Billups is a short term upgrade, but Felton was a good fall back option if we couldnt sign or trade for a star PG. Thats exhasted now. Same with Mosgov at center. Would have been nice to keep one of those guys but thus is life

Age is a huge factor. But no one should point to stats - Felton averaged 12pts and 5assists before coming here. Mike's system pumps up PG numbers. I bet Chauncey averages 18ppg and 9apg the rest of this season in NY. Mike's system is a point guard's dream - as is playing with Amar'e.

one of you said pace is the same, yet the other says Pringles' system pumps up numbers... I'm confused

I cannot stress age enough. Seemingly every PG Mike has played outside of Nash breaks down and gets injured... probably not a coincidence that Nash does some crazy fitness/nutrition stuff. So, great, Billups puts up 18 and 9 for the rest of the season and breaks down in the playoffs

I don't remember reading anything that said Duhon or Felton were playing hurt under MDA. Isn't it more like that their reduced numbers had more to do with regressing to the mean as opposed to some phantom injury?

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NEW YORK -- If Raymond Felton gets an invite to the All-Star Game, he certainly didn't earn it with his play against the Dallas Mavericks on Wednesday night.

Raymond Felton has to hope coaches have been too busy filling out their All-Star ballots to keep a close eye on him lately.
The point guard finished with 11 points on 4-of-14 shooting as the New York Knicks were manhandled by the Mavs in a 113-97 blowout loss.

After the game, Knicks coach Mike D'Antoni suggested Felton has been bothered by a hand injury he suffered against the Boston Celtics on Dec. 15.

But Felton didn't want to use the injury as a defense for what he did (or didn't do) against Dallas.

"I'm battling an injury but I'm out there on the court, so there's no excuse," he said.

Felton is likely battling guards Rajon Rondo, Ray Allen and Joe Johnson for a reserve spot on the Eastern Conference All-Star squad. The remaining seven spots are voted on by the coaches, with the results announced Thursday.

No coach can vote for his own player, but you have to wonder if Felton would even get a vote from D'Antoni after his inconsistent play recently.

Felton, who seemed like a strong candidate for an All-Star spot in late December, has done plenty of damage to his candidacy over the past five weeks, the latest example being his sub-par night against Dallas.

At times in 2011, Felton has been as icy as Manhattan street corners in this particularly cold winter. He's shot under 40 percent in 12 of the Knicks' past 16 games. He's reached his season average (17.2 points per game) just six times since Jan. 2, when he went off for 28 points against the Spurs.

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His scoring average has dipped by a full point since then and his assist average has also taken a hit.

"His hand is still bothering him, swollen up pretty good," D'Antoni said. "But I just don't think it makes a difference. Obviously, it would be nice to hit all his shots, but we have to be a little bit more aggressive on the defensive end and get into people and want it a little bit more than them."

Making matters worse on Wednesday, Felton's Dallas counterparts, Jose Juan Barea and Jason Kidd, outscored him 15-2 during the Mavs' decisive 26-6 run early in the third quarter. To be fair, both Barea and Kidd were on the floor at the same time. But Felton's missed layup with 9:53 to go in the third -- early in the Mavs' run -- could have pulled the Knicks within four. Three minutes later, they were down 15. Less than three minutes later, the Knicks trailed by 24.

"We get down on a team like that, [24] points, it's tough," Felton said. "They're one of the best teams in the league, one of the best teams in the West, so it's hard to come back on a team like that."

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Like a politician stumbling as Election Day approaches, Felton's played his worst at the worst possible time as he attempts to make his first All-Star team.

He seems to be nonchalant about the opportunity.

"We'll see what happens," Felton said. "If I'm there, great. If I'm not, great. Life still goes on."

If he gets the nod Thursday, the coaches voting for him likely would have ignored what they saw from Felton on Wednesday night and the weeks before it.

Ian Begley is a regular contributor to ESPNNewYork.com.

maybe y'all should stop being revisionist historians

Sorry to point this out but don't most NBA players battle small injuries through the season. That's why Felton was probably saying he can't use it as an excuse. Excuses are for losers. Kobe battles injuries every year. Much worse then Felton's hand injury.

dude, he started one game with a hand brace and ripped it off after the first shot. I'm sorry, YOUR HAND is important in basketball and probably a little moreso as a PG

As for the Nets. They did a great job of bouncing back, but will they be able to complete the deal in 2012? They still have a TON of work to do improving the team and convincing Deron to stay.

SupremeCommander wrote:

FoeDiddy wrote:

SupremeCommander wrote:

VCoug wrote:

SupremeCommander wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

SupremeCommander wrote:The minutes HAVE TO BE factored in, as well as his age and the pace he will be asked to play. Look, i'm not upset that Chauncey Billups is going to be giving the Knicks 30 MPG. But what's going to happen when he has to play 42 the first night of a back-to-back

Pace is relatively the same.

And he averages 32.3m a game. Last year he averaged 35. The difference is likely more due to Lawson being a very capable back-up.

Nash is averaging 33.3.

Kidd 33.7.

Playing the age card is pretty weak.

If there is evidence that Chauncey Billups can't 33m a night, produce it.

"34" doesn't cut the mustard.

age is a huge factor and Billups isnt a long term solution. His play has tailed off because he's not the defensive player he was 2-3 years ago.

Billups is a short term upgrade, but Felton was a good fall back option if we couldnt sign or trade for a star PG. Thats exhasted now. Same with Mosgov at center. Would have been nice to keep one of those guys but thus is life

Age is a huge factor. But no one should point to stats - Felton averaged 12pts and 5assists before coming here. Mike's system pumps up PG numbers. I bet Chauncey averages 18ppg and 9apg the rest of this season in NY. Mike's system is a point guard's dream - as is playing with Amar'e.

one of you said pace is the same, yet the other says Pringles' system pumps up numbers... I'm confused

I cannot stress age enough. Seemingly every PG Mike has played outside of Nash breaks down and gets injured... probably not a coincidence that Nash does some crazy fitness/nutrition stuff. So, great, Billups puts up 18 and 9 for the rest of the season and breaks down in the playoffs

I don't remember reading anything that said Duhon or Felton were playing hurt under MDA. Isn't it more like that their reduced numbers had more to do with regressing to the mean as opposed to some phantom injury?

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NEW YORK -- If Raymond Felton gets an invite to the All-Star Game, he certainly didn't earn it with his play against the Dallas Mavericks on Wednesday night.

Raymond Felton has to hope coaches have been too busy filling out their All-Star ballots to keep a close eye on him lately.
The point guard finished with 11 points on 4-of-14 shooting as the New York Knicks were manhandled by the Mavs in a 113-97 blowout loss.

After the game, Knicks coach Mike D'Antoni suggested Felton has been bothered by a hand injury he suffered against the Boston Celtics on Dec. 15.

But Felton didn't want to use the injury as a defense for what he did (or didn't do) against Dallas.

"I'm battling an injury but I'm out there on the court, so there's no excuse," he said.

Felton is likely battling guards Rajon Rondo, Ray Allen and Joe Johnson for a reserve spot on the Eastern Conference All-Star squad. The remaining seven spots are voted on by the coaches, with the results announced Thursday.

No coach can vote for his own player, but you have to wonder if Felton would even get a vote from D'Antoni after his inconsistent play recently.

Felton, who seemed like a strong candidate for an All-Star spot in late December, has done plenty of damage to his candidacy over the past five weeks, the latest example being his sub-par night against Dallas.

At times in 2011, Felton has been as icy as Manhattan street corners in this particularly cold winter. He's shot under 40 percent in 12 of the Knicks' past 16 games. He's reached his season average (17.2 points per game) just six times since Jan. 2, when he went off for 28 points against the Spurs.

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His scoring average has dipped by a full point since then and his assist average has also taken a hit.

"His hand is still bothering him, swollen up pretty good," D'Antoni said. "But I just don't think it makes a difference. Obviously, it would be nice to hit all his shots, but we have to be a little bit more aggressive on the defensive end and get into people and want it a little bit more than them."

Making matters worse on Wednesday, Felton's Dallas counterparts, Jose Juan Barea and Jason Kidd, outscored him 15-2 during the Mavs' decisive 26-6 run early in the third quarter. To be fair, both Barea and Kidd were on the floor at the same time. But Felton's missed layup with 9:53 to go in the third -- early in the Mavs' run -- could have pulled the Knicks within four. Three minutes later, they were down 15. Less than three minutes later, the Knicks trailed by 24.

"We get down on a team like that, [24] points, it's tough," Felton said. "They're one of the best teams in the league, one of the best teams in the West, so it's hard to come back on a team like that."

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Like a politician stumbling as Election Day approaches, Felton's played his worst at the worst possible time as he attempts to make his first All-Star team.

He seems to be nonchalant about the opportunity.

"We'll see what happens," Felton said. "If I'm there, great. If I'm not, great. Life still goes on."

If he gets the nod Thursday, the coaches voting for him likely would have ignored what they saw from Felton on Wednesday night and the weeks before it.

Ian Begley is a regular contributor to ESPNNewYork.com.

maybe y'all should stop being revisionist historians

Sorry to point this out but don't most NBA players battle small injuries through the season. That's why Felton was probably saying he can't use it as an excuse. Excuses are for losers. Kobe battles injuries every year. Much worse then Felton's hand injury.

dude, he started one game with a hand brace and ripped it off after the first shot. I'm sorry, YOUR HAND is important in basketball and probably a little moreso as a PG

And that is why I used Kobe as an example..he battled hand injuries for a whole season. Look at his numbers..they are not far off from his career numbers. Felton is who he is outside those great 10 to 15 games he played during our streak. He is a solid competitor with several flaws.

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Jazz's Williams is not happy with trade.

Knickoftime wrote:

crzymdups wrote:Deron Williams / Farmar Supastar
Anthony Morrow / Sasha Vujacic
Travis Outlaw / Quinton Ross
Kris Humpries / ????
Brook Lopez / Johan Petro

SERIOUSLY??? that's a 30 win team.

And Humphries is a soon to be UFA having a nice little year for himself.

He's likely out the door.

you think he MIGHT want to go to LA to be closer to Kim Kardashian? maybe?