Felton a 3 year starter for a team was the long term leader for a fews that came together.

Melo was a one and done player. Still a nice thing and an accomplishment.

Im not a lover of MDA, but the in the past we learn that the coaching changes we have seen are not that great.

Chaney was doing a good job but Isiah loved change to sell tickets. Wilkens was a bad hire. It was botched from the start. Herb? Larry was a great coach for the wrong team. Dolan made Isiah coach like you stick your dogs nose in his poop to "Teach him a lesson". It don't work.

Now we are in the third incarnation of a team MDA has to coach and now I hear the cries of blame.

His remarks are not satisfying the masses so its time for him to go? Dude is being real. We suck at Defense and you can't fix it over nite. Calling time outs and yelling to 20 million dollar guys don't make it work.

Nalod wrote:Melo won a tournament, not a "ring".

Felton a 3 year starter for a team was the long term leader for a fews that came together.

Melo was a one and done player. Still a nice thing and an accomplishment.

Im not a lover of MDA, but the in the past we learn that the coaching changes we have seen are not that great.

Chaney was doing a good job but Isiah loved change to sell tickets. Wilkens was a bad hire. It was botched from the start. Herb? Larry was a great coach for the wrong team. Dolan made Isiah coach like you stick your dogs nose in his poop to "Teach him a lesson". It don't work.

Now we are in the third incarnation of a team MDA has to coach and now I hear the cries of blame.

His remarks are not satisfying the masses so its time for him to go? Dude is being real. We suck at Defense and you can't fix it over nite. Calling time outs and yelling to 20 million dollar guys don't make it work.

yup yup

crzymdups wrote:yeah, for everyone saying Melo won an NCAA tournament - so did Felton.

True. But big difference winning as a pawn in NC and the KING in SU. SU was zero without him. NC probably wins with another PG. We gotta give credit where credit is due though I am not a huge fan of Melo's.

Nalod wrote:His remarks are not satisfying the masses so its time for him to go? Dude is being real. We suck at Defense and you can't fix it over nite. Calling time outs and yelling to 20 million dollar guys don't make it work.

fishmike wrote:

mreinman wrote:

crzymdups wrote:yeah, for everyone saying Melo won an NCAA tournament - so did Felton.

True. But big difference winning as a pawn in NC and the KING in SU. SU was zero without him. NC probably wins with another PG. We gotta give credit where credit is due though I am not a huge fan of Melo's.

yes.. I believe that PAWN was the best player in the tourney and beat both Deron and CP3 in head to head play. If you think Felton was a PAWN your just making crap up dude. Do your reseach. Felton was a GREAT college player and made those guys a lot of money because they got all got drafted higher than they should have because of Felton.

So you are equating his value to that of Melo's who won a ring for a team that don't win rings. NC has won many without felton and they were a perennial winner. Felton was important, pawns are important if you know anything about chess but please don't insult our inteligence by comparing the two. And, I am a big Felton fan. Love the kids heart but he just can't shoot. And, we were really comparing rings on the current roster. Semantics though.

CashMoney wrote:Bottom line is that you can build a championship team around STAT and Melo

halfway home!

fishmike wrote:

mreinman wrote:

fishmike wrote:

mreinman wrote:

crzymdups wrote:yeah, for everyone saying Melo won an NCAA tournament - so did Felton.

True. But big difference winning as a pawn in NC and the KING in SU. SU was zero without him. NC probably wins with another PG. We gotta give credit where credit is due though I am not a huge fan of Melo's.

yes.. I believe that PAWN was the best player in the tourney and beat both Deron and CP3 in head to head play. If you think Felton was a PAWN your just making crap up dude. Do your reseach. Felton was a GREAT college player and made those guys a lot of money because they got all got drafted higher than they should have because of Felton.

So you are equating his value to that of Melo's who won a ring for a team that don't win rings. NC has won many without felton and they were a perennial winner. Felton was important, pawns are important if you know anything about chess but please don't insult our inteligence by comparing the two. And, I am a big Felton fan. Love the kids heart but he just can't shoot. And, we were really comparing rings on the current roster. Semantics though.

NC always wins because they recruit the best players. Felton was the best player on a title winning team. Felton outplayed in head to head play the best players in college basketball. Go look at what Felton did vs. ND in head to head play. He smoked Chris Paul. Repeatedly. Felton was not a pawn. He was queen. He made the guys around him better. He locked down the best opposing guards in the NBA. We was the motor that drove an NCAA title winner. Did he have talent around him? Bigtime... So did other teams. If your going to knock Felton's career as a college player as anything short of one of the best players in his decade your wasting your time because your wrong, and anyone here who has casually followed CBB knows that.

but who cares? Melo's NBA accomplishments are nice. He's advanced in the playoffs once and made some all star games. Awesome. Whats the point? That he's better then anyone we traded for? He is. 100%. But the trade bankrupted us. Hell... if we kep Gallo and Mos I would have included Fields and Douglas, because we could have been a more balanced team. Right now were phucked

OK, so maybe D-Will actually does resign with the Nets (I personally don't see it) and Chris Paul stays with NO...Maybe we go out and bring Felton back that summer..A distinct possibility. Trust me I liked Felton too.Still do..I'd have no problem bringing Ray back as a secondary choice. The FA class summer of 2012 is pretty damn good..Did some of you guys actually go over the whole list?? Familiarize yourselves if you don't know--a ton of good players will be available. Many of them will find playing with Amar'e AND Melo in NYC appealing. Bigs, legit centers, top PGs, role players, 6th men...Many very good players to choose from. I want us to be in on that..

fishmike wrote:

Silverfuel wrote:its feels like some that were against the trade are a bit happy that we are losing because they get to say i told you so.

Im with Allanfan... totally deflated. I have zero interest in this team last night. I didnt watch the game last night. I had no interest. Instead after I put my kids to bed I played guitar and followed the score. Then I watched the end to see Melo yell at JJ for not throwing him the ball with .3 left on the clock. I turned the TV off and went back to not caring.

I have no connection with any of these players at this point. Amare was great because he was leading OUR YOUNG PLAYERS to the playoffs. Now we have a team of STAT, Diva and a bunch of garbage cast offs that are not interesting to watch.

Silver it was fun argueing how good Chandler, Gallo, etc could be, because there was talent there to argue about.

Its just boring. We are a 100% win now team and we just arent that good. I love the Knicks, but I dont know who these guys are, and they havent done much to inspire me to care.

I told you so? Yes... I didnt like this trade, but who cares? I want to see Walsh make this work. I'm not TMS, there wont be any manning up threads. We all have our opinions but in the end we are all here (except isles) because we are Knick fans and want the team to win. Thats what I still want. I wanted nothing more then to be swept away with Melo's play and forget the truckload of players and picks we gave up to get him. My concern all along was Melo was NOT a top 10 player, he was a great scorer, an ok rebounder for a 3 and a poor defender with zero playmaking.

Silver, I'm desperately holding out hope that I am wrong.

At this point its just kind of wait and see and hope we make the playoffs and hope these guys do something interesting or inspiring. Melo will be the highest paid player (next to Kobe?) in the NBA when his extension kicks in.

no need for any manning up threads fish, we all know you'll be saying you knew Melo & STAT would get it together once they start winning games & then rubbing all of MDA's detractors noses in it.

TMS wrote:

Vmart wrote:I'm calling it right now this is one of the best trades the Knicks have ever made.

how can that be the case when Denver made the best trade in NBA history? just look at their 10 game W-L record, that's what u call a Rocky Mountain Dynasty

Tell me that when they win a chip until then its just 10 games.

Vmart wrote:

TMS wrote:

Vmart wrote:I'm calling it right now this is one of the best trades the Knicks have ever made.

how can that be the case when Denver made the best trade in NBA history? just look at their 10 game W-L record, that's what u call a Rocky Mountain Dynasty

Tell me that when they win a chip until then its just 10 games.

come on 10 games is more than enough they're already making parade arrangements in downtown Denver