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newyorknewyork
Posts: 30129 Alba Posts: 1 Joined: 1/16/2004 Member: #541 |
2/21/2011 11:17 AM
counter by adding Buike,Turiaf,Mozgov for Nene.
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markvmc
Posts: 21996 Alba Posts: 3 Joined: 1/6/2008 Member: #1797 |
2/21/2011 11:46 AM
Surprised they haven't asked us to throw in Clyde to call their games too.
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tkf
Posts: 36487 Alba Posts: 6 Joined: 8/13/2001 Member: #87 |
2/21/2011 12:13 PM
Markji wrote:markvmc wrote:Surprised they haven't asked us to throw in Clyde to call their games too. now that I think about it.. I think the T-mac deal and now this deal, stinks of dolan and his jackass side kick isiah.... Anyone who sits around and waits for the lottery to better themselves, either in real life or in sports, Is a Loser...............
TKF
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Markji
Posts: 22753 Alba Posts: -4 Joined: 9/14/2007 Member: #1673 USA |
2/21/2011 12:24 PM LAST EDITED: 2/21/2011 12:25 PM
tkf wrote:Markji wrote:markvmc wrote:Surprised they haven't asked us to throw in Clyde to call their games too. Yep. I said this about the TMac trade and now about the Melo trade. This isn't Walsh's negotiations, it is pure Dolan advised by Isiah! Terrible. From NY Magazine The Knicks could not lose. They could give the Nuggets a pittance this year for a couple months of Carmelo, or they could wait and sign him in the off-season, keeping the roster Walsh constructed together. Walsh didn't have to do anything. He had the winning hand. And then Jim Dolan came busting in. Convinced as always that he knows best — or anything at all, really — Dolan took the Knicks' bargaining advantage and set it on fire. (This is Dolan's way: As we put it in our mag column last week, "Walsh has put the tires back on the car. Now Dolan wants to drive again.") The Knicks went from, "The Nuggets have no choice but to trade Carmelo for whatever we want" to, "Wait, we're trading Gallinari and Chandler and Felton?" to, "We can't let Timofey Mozgov be what holds this deal up." Dolan did this IN THE SPAN OF ONE WEEKEND. Every piece of Knicks-Carmelo news since Friday has been depressing, one more move away from the position Walsh shrewdly put the Knicks in. The Knicks were reconstructed by patience and guile and, for once, having grownups back in charge. It took Walsh two years to clean up a decade of mess. Dolan might have undone it all in a weekend." http://nymag.com/daily/sports/2011/02/the_knicks_are_likely_to_end_u.html The difference between fiction and reality? Fiction has to make sense.
Tom Clancy - author
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TLover
Posts: 21066 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 2/12/2003 Member: #381 USA |
2/21/2011 12:25 PM
I've been against giving away these players for Carmelo. If they insist on Mozgov then we should attempt to get Nene back.
Denver gets: Gallo Wolves get: Randolph Knicks get: Carmelo Knick line-up: PG: Billups,TD |
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Markji
Posts: 22753 Alba Posts: -4 Joined: 9/14/2007 Member: #1673 USA |
2/21/2011 12:29 PM LAST EDITED: 2/21/2011 12:29 PM
TLover wrote:I've been against giving away these players for Carmelo. If they insist on Mozgov then we should attempt to get Nene back. That is an excellent idea. If we could get Nene also, then we would be set. Denver would never do it without us giving them numerous 1st round picks, but it is worth the try. But substitute Carter for Balkman. The difference between fiction and reality? Fiction has to make sense.
Tom Clancy - author
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s3231
Posts: 23162 Alba Posts: 1 Joined: 1/16/2004 Member: #544 USA |
2/21/2011 12:30 PM LAST EDITED: 2/21/2011 12:30 PM
I don't mind this deal at all (our "final offer" that's being reported) if Donnie is here for the rest of this season and next season. Yeah, we give up a lot, but I trust Donnie's ability to bring in more assets to get us to the level of contention.
The part that bothers me the most is we've gone through several years of tearing this all down to build it back up and now that Donnie gets to really "build" a contending team, it seems like he won't even have the power to do so. That of course, is truly a shame after the job he has done. Let's be real, if we get Melo that gives us a pretty damn good core of Amare/Melo to build on so I'm not going to sit here and say it sucks to be a Knicks fan if Walsh is the guy that gets to fill out the roster. In my mind, we would still have enough pieces even after this deal to improve and give some teams a run for their money over the next few years. When Miami signed the big three, they basically ensured themselves at least a title over the next 5-6 years (and probably more than one) so the game now is all about building a team that can at least stop them once. It sucks to admit it but it's awfully true, any team not named the Miami Heat will be fortunate to win a title over the next 5 years considering they have 2 of the best 3 players in the game. Getting Melo doesn't put as on their level but the truth is I don't know if any team will be able to get to that level when you consider the magnitude of what they were able to accomplish this past off-season. If we are able to build a team that stops them once and wins a title, that will be a huge accomplishment in my book and that is the goal even if they win the other 4-5 times. As far as the negotiating process itself goes, while Denver may be greedy as hell, we can't dispute that they are making us pay fair value here and have successfully used every bit of leverage that they had (how little or big it may be). We don't know the whole story here and that makes it even more frustrating to deal with. "This is a very cautious situation that we're in. You have to be conservative in terms of using your assets and using them wisely. We're building for the future." - Zeke (I guess not protecting a first round pick is being conservative)
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Knickoftime
Posts: 24159 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 1/13/2011 Member: #3370 |
2/21/2011 12:31 PM LAST EDITED: 2/21/2011 12:32 PM
Andrew wrote:Knickoftime, adding players this off season is not going to take the Knicks from .500 to title contender. Its going to be a progression that includes multiple moves (signings, trades, draft), and player development. Same with trading for Melo, with the difference being you have less options. Agreed with everything until that last half of that last sentence. You don't have less options with 'Melo. Knicks with the team they have don't have any cap space in 17 months. 5 if you advocate signing some phantom player(s) this summer. I don't know why you feel it necessary to take such a argumentative and non conversational tone on the boards. Please take a moment and try to see what others are putting out there so there can be some give and take. I very specifically respond to what people are putting out there. I'll do so again. Which players mentioned above make the Knicks better than Anthony would? Joel Pryzbilla? Samuel Dalembert? |
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martin
Posts: 76250 Alba Posts: 108 Joined: 7/24/2001 Member: #2 USA |
2/21/2011 12:34 PM
Knickoftime wrote:Andrew wrote:Knickoftime, adding players this off season is not going to take the Knicks from .500 to title contender. Its going to be a progression that includes multiple moves (signings, trades, draft), and player development. Same with trading for Melo, with the difference being you have less options. your baseline assumption is that you HAVE to have cap space to make upgrades? Official sponsor of the PURE KNICKS LOVE Program
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Andrew
Posts: 26600 Alba Posts: 2 Joined: 7/24/2001 Member: #1 USA |
2/21/2011 12:41 PM
Knickoftime wrote: Are you talking about options? Don't limit it to Cap space. Tradable assets, players to develop, draft picks. Those are the options I'm talking about. And no, you don't have anyone to sign that is as good as Melo with the cap space this offseason, but thats not what the comparison should be. Is (Nene or Perkins or Gasol), Gallo, Felton, AR and draft picks a better option than Melo. Thats where I am leaning towards a non Melo trade. PURE KNICKS LOVE
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CrushAlot
Posts: 59764 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 7/25/2003 Member: #452 USA |
2/21/2011 12:42 PM
alanhahn Nugs have always prefered NJ deal so to push Knicks to brink of walking away serves their purpose. Unless Melo says he will only sign w/ NY.
I hope the Knicks walk away. I'm tired,I'm tired, I'm so tired right now......Kristaps Porzingis 1/3/18
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