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1/30/2011  10:02 PM
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gr33d wrote:Moz looks really friggin good. Who knew he'd play his first big minutes and pull a 20-10 game?

he looked great in the Worlds and in summer league. It's a new league, new culture. I mean, try getting groceries as a 9 foot Russian monster. I didn't think it would take this long, nor did I think he'd have a 23/14 game this season, but he should be a meaningful rotation player. He was GREAT in the Worlds and that means something

agreed. this was the first time as a knicks player he's looked as good as he did in the worlds.

i don't think he should start, but he should definitely get minutes.

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1/30/2011  10:04 PM
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gr33d wrote:Moz looks really friggin good. Who knew he'd play his first big minutes and pull a 20-10 game?

he looked great in the Worlds and in summer league. It's a new league, new culture. I mean, try getting groceries as a 9 foot Russian monster. I didn't think it would take this long, nor did I think he'd have a 23/14 game this season, but he should be a meaningful rotation player. He was GREAT in the Worlds and that means something


Yup- he played with this kind of confidence in the Worlds, although he never showed the jumper that he showed us tonight.

If he can play with this kind of confidence, and not lose it when the going gets tough and he has a few bad plays, he will be a major boost for the team- the exact kind of player many of us were hoping the Knicks would trade for.

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1/30/2011  10:06 PM
Hopefully Moz can hold his own against a bigger team. This is about as perfect a first step you could ask for.

As for AR, very mature attitude tonight. He was out there to rebound and complement the offense with hustle play rather than look for his shot. Also a good building block performance.

Great win all around. Tough game against Dallas up next.
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1/30/2011  10:06 PM
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TMS wrote:4 rebounds & a blocked shot in his 1st 7 minutes of meaningful play in months & AR couldn't help us at all this year???

Cmon man, AR hasnt played in the style he has tonight all season. We dont need a 6"11 TD, we do need what AR gave us in 7 minutes today. To complain about him not getting more burn tonight is fair enough, but to say he should have gotten more burn before now based on something he did for the first time all season tonight is unfair.

AR has only seen sporadic minutes in garbage blowout losses in the past few months... not sure what you expected to see out of him in that type of role... tonight he's getting the first meaningful action he's seen since the first few weeks of the season & he was able to contribute a little... i'm not saying he's having a monster game but he's certainly showing he's capable of grabbing boards if given the opportunity, something several of us have been saying he could be doing all along... we've seen MDA play Shawne Williams at the C position at times in weeks leading up to tonight's game out of his obvious reluctance to give AR any playing time... in several games this year we've been killed on the boards due to our lack of size & yet now because of absolute necessity AR is seeing some minutes & you see he's able to contribute... why is that not fair to say he should have been utilized more this season based on the way he's played tonight?

Mozgov has looked much better tonight & i readily admit i didn't think he would be ready to contribute this year based on what i saw out of him earlier in the season... but i've seen what AR could do last year in games he put up some very respectable statlines... that's why myself & several others have wondered all year why this kid couldn't see any run, especially on a team lacking in size like ours... i will concede that AR hasn't played the way MDA has wanted him to play in the chances he has gotten this season, but my contention is those chances have been few & very far between... i don't think it's fair to base any kind of judgement at all on the garbage minutes of play he's seen leading up to this game.

Hey, Im totally with you on AR's performance tonight. Ive been very impressed. But its not about the stats. I know the minutes have been limited, but there is a vast and noticable difference between AR's understandnig of his role tonight and every other game he played. Previously, AR would recieve the pass behind the three point line and either try and force a cut-pass into the paint, or drive to 18 feet and pull up. If thats how he wants to play, we can all agree that we'd rather see him on the bench. Tonight, he recieved the ball behind the three point line and moved the ball, spread the play and boxed out like a maniac. All the things we all said hed be good at and all the things he has neglected in every other game hes played for the Knicks. He last played 11 games ago. I watch the game. He tried to jump over a guy from the low block, took another shot, bricked it, didnt box out and didnt look like hed learnt his lesson.

Tonight, it looks like he has. I dont know if it needed 45 games to get him to this stage, but i do know that 11 games ago, he was still being a stubborn chucker.

I like AR tonight, and im sure MDA did too. It wouldnt surprise me to see him next game for spot minutes and maybe build from there.

it would be great to get these guys integrated into our rotation, but i have a feeling for AR at least he'll be back to the end of the bench after tonight's game.

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1/30/2011  10:08 PM    LAST EDITED: 1/30/2011  10:09 PM
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BigSm00th wrote:
TMS wrote:4 rebounds & a blocked shot in his 1st 7 minutes of meaningful play in months & AR couldn't help us at all this year???

MDA works in mysterious ways.

yeah, the mindboggling ways of MDA... Mozgov is looking good too... i guess MDA deserves all the credit for making these guys wait their turn, eh?

Maybe. Sitting may be exactly what they needed. I trust MDA more then I trust TMS.

i never claimed i know more about developing talent than MDA... just curious to me when guys who could't see the light of day off the bench all of a sudden get a chance to play due to injuries & suspensions & are able to contribute... if not for the suspension of Williams & Wilson's injury neither 1 of these guys would have seen the light of day off the bench tonight... but yeah, i guess MDA deserves all the credit for Williams getting suspended too... it was all a part of his master plan... gotcha.

Sorry, cheap shot.

But I really feel if MDA can get consistency out of either one of these guys by the end of the season he did a great job. One has never been consistent the other is rookie who looked lost at the beginning of the year.

if he can get Timo to play the way he's playing tonight the rest of the way, i will give him all the props in the world cuz that kid looked completely lost at the beginning of the season, i wasn't even sure he was NBA worthy talent... AR looked discombobulated in every game he played in too, but it was never a question to me whether or not he could play at this level... he's looked a lot better in prior games he's played in GS than anything i've seen out of him this year, including tonight's game... i personally don't view his problem as being as much an unwillingness to conform his game to this system as it is he's struggled to find his niche on this team early on & MDA lost complete faith in him... after that it was pretty clear he wouldn't see the light of day off the bench unless some extreme circumstances were to occur, like tonight for example... i think given a chance in meaningful action during consistent run, AR's talent will shine through & eventually you all will see why DW was so high on him to begin with... but i guess that's not likely to happen once Williams & Wilson are back in the rotation.


You don't sit those numbers. He'll get more run. AR maybe not.
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1/30/2011  10:08 PM
Today he looked better than he ever did in the worlds. Heck, I wonder if this was simply the best game statistically of his entire career?

I don't think we can expect him to do this every game from now on, otherwise he'd pretty much be the best center in the NBA and be right up there with the Shaqs, Wilts, and Hakeems in the annals of NBA history. :) They'll be saying Patrick Who?

Timo will be a household name.

If Mozgov could emerge as a 24mpg/8ppg/7rpg/1bpg sort of player in the second half of the season, we'd be in outstanding shape.

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1/30/2011  10:08 PM
Knicks outrebounded the Pistons 41-32 with Mozgov snatching 14 (in 40 minutes) and AR getting 5 (in 8 minutes). I guess size helps, huh?
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1/30/2011  10:10 PM
If AR and Mozgov show improvement and begin to deliver in all the potential we saw in those two, then how do we find minutes for Bill Walker, Shawne Williams, AR, AND Mozgov?
Someone's gotta go... I say Bill Walker! and less minutes for Amare, cause dayang, at this rate his knees won't last half of his contract.
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1/30/2011  10:10 PM
crzymdups wrote:Knicks outrebounded the Pistons 41-32 with Mozgov snatching 14 (in 40 minutes) and AR getting 5 (in 8 minutes). I guess size helps, huh?

15 offensive rebounds for us. Mozgov with 5 of them.

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1/30/2011  10:11 PM
Huge game from Mosgos today. Hopefully he goes on from here to play hiw way back into the starting C spot. He did everything we need a C to do today, rebounded, defended the paint, ran the floor, and made open jumpers.

Hopefully AR will build on this game as well, rebounded, blocked a shot, and played D. The big game rotation needs to be Mosgov/Turiaf and Amare/AR if AR continues to get it.

A glimmer of hope maybe?!?
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1/30/2011  10:11 PM
The Mosgov era has begun! I was wondering when we were going to see him from all the good things the staff was saying, glad he got his chance. Randolph made two appearances in one game and he played smart so that's a positive. Felton is starting to find Moz, not giving him those rocket passes and its paying dividends. It looks like Gallo's injury had some benefits. It looks like experiencing that type of injury has helped him become more confident, and now he is showing no fear in taking it to the rim.
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1/30/2011  10:11 PM
lost in the shuffle tonight has been Gallo's terrific performance... 29 pts to supplement the 33 from Amare is huge... but obviously the game ball belongs to Mozgov tonight for what we all hope is his breakout performance.
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1/30/2011  10:11 PM
I missed the 1st half but in the 2nd half Timo looked like a beast. He worked great with Amare. Gallo in the post game interview when asked how he was getting his shots up and he said his teammates are passing him the ball.
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1/30/2011  10:14 PM
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1/30/2011  10:14 PM
WIth MIke you really can't be so sure that he's not going to use guys. He just wants to see solid pro level ball. If you give him that then you EARN his trust and he'll get you involved. He's proven to be that way over and over again. I really wish fans that have a dislike for him could finally realize what this coach is really all about. WINNING!

He always tries to teach his players how to win. If they listen they'll be successful. It's just that simple. Nothing he tells these players to do hurts them in any way. His coaching only serves to make them better players. He gets them to understand the game on a higher level and that is what leads to winning teams. Instead of letting a kid like AR just go out and freelance, he wanted to teach him how to play the team game, so what's so wrong about that? It takes time for kids that never learned to really play the game to get it.

Maybe one day all the MDA doubters will catch on to what he's about.
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1/30/2011  10:18 PM    LAST EDITED: 1/30/2011  10:18 PM
OjilEye wrote:If AR and Mozgov show improvement and begin to deliver in all the potential we saw in those two, then how do we find minutes for Bill Walker, Shawne Williams, AR, AND Mozgov?
Someone's gotta go... I say Bill Walker! and less minutes for Amare, cause dayang, at this rate his knees won't last half of his contract.

considering MDA only uses a 9 man max rotation, u gotta figure either Walker or Williams will fall out of the rotation if Mozgov has worked his way in... AR will be the other odd man out again after tonight.

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1/30/2011  10:18 PM
nixluva wrote:WIth MIke you really can't be so sure that he's not going to use guys. He just wants to see solid pro level ball. If you give him that then you EARN his trust and he'll get you involved. He's proven to be that way over and over again. I really wish fans that have a dislike for him could finally realize what this coach is really all about. WINNING!

He always tries to teach his players how to win. If they listen they'll be successful. It's just that simple. Nothing he tells these players to do hurts them in any way. His coaching only serves to make them better players. He gets them to understand the game on a higher level and that is what leads to winning teams. Instead of letting a kid like AR just go out and freelance, he wanted to teach him how to play the team game, so what's so wrong about that? It takes time for kids that never learned to really play the game to get it.

Maybe one day all the MDA doubters will catch on to what he's about.

i kind of agree with this, but also kind of think its BS. AR could have been helping the team all season.

sometimes as a coach you have to check your own ego and reach out to a player, not put him in the doghouse.

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1/30/2011  10:21 PM
The only bad thing about this win is that I picked a win of 11-15 in the gamepicker
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1/30/2011  10:25 PM
NYKBocker wrote:The only bad thing about this win is that I picked a win of 11-15 in the gamepicker

lol... me too.

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