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12/13/2010  3:47 PM
Melo WANTS to play here.
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12/13/2010  3:49 PM
BRIGGS wrote:
Because our bench is not there and needs to be enhanced.


Not the hardest thing to do.
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12/13/2010  3:53 PM    LAST EDITED: 12/13/2010  3:59 PM
SupremeCommander wrote:Amar'e and Melo would be an athletic, dangerous inside/outside offensive tandem, especially with Felton getting them the ball. That core has weaknesses, sure, but that's easier to address than finding another reliable, consistent scoring threat. Melo is just nasty and a pleasure to watch in person. He's bigger and stronger than other SFs. If he gets his conditioning up to 's standards, I think his game will get even better.

You add Melo, you add a supporting cast in the offseason, and then you have a perennial contender. I am still totally in favor of getting Melo. At some point this winning streak is going to end and the posts I'm reading are going to sound completely different

in terms of the supporting cast...

Even with Melo in the fold, the Knicks still need a backup PG and a big who can defend/rebound.

PG: Felton 7.5 M
SG:
SF: Melo 17-20 M. His current extension is for $65/3.
PF: Amare 18.2 M
C:

Big assumption: Cap remains the same as this season 57-58 M. Amare + Felton + Melo = 42-45.

$12-13$M + Mid Level.

How do you fill out the rest of the roster to be a perennial contender?

This list may not have been updated for players who got extended but it's a start:

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?page=FreeAgents-10-11

Let's try to elevate the level of discourse in this byeetch. Please
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12/13/2010  3:57 PM
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babyKnicks wrote:I like standing pat, getting the 6th seed, renouncing Chandler, signing melo and getting chandler at the mle.

But... Wouldn't we have to give of something else?

I want melo, and I want to keep gallo, fields and Chandler. I want my cake and eat it too!

Curry, Randolph, mason, etc. At this point, they can take it or leave it.

For the melo hatred, after celtics and heat, you'll understand the need for two super stars.

The only way the C's take us is quality size depth --everything else we are right there. Bring on the Heat--we have Amare--they do not.

sounds good but coach spo does the same thing mda does he plays his starters wade/lebron/bosh all the way for the win. with one advantage, coach spo has two spots to send out banger after banger to stop amar'e. im sure he watched how mr. elbows nene played amar'e and a lightbulb went off.
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12/13/2010  4:12 PM
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kingofelpaso wrote:
1) What we've seen in recent weeks is that Amare tends to come on strong later in games after he's found his touch after a number of previous other attempts. I would suggest that Melo is the same way. There simply arnt enough shots for both to take the kind of shots per game that they would need in order to put up the kind of numbers we have come to expect from Amare and that you are estimating Carmelo will provide.

2) The way this team is set up, running the two man game between Amare and Felton is enough so that it gets players open looks. Most, if not all of Carmelo's points come off of 1 vs. 1 isolation plays or 1 vs. 2 isolations plays. The fact that Amare commands a double down low is enough to pull away a defender who would otherwise have a hand in the face of Chandler or Gallo. See for example the big 3 that Chandler hit at the end of this recent game.

3)Carmelo does have a silky smooth midrange jumper, but he is not a catch a shoot player. Most of those shots come after a few dribbles and an attempt to take his man and possibly someone else's off the dribble. This comes at the expense of ball movement and we've already seen enough times when the team is content to sit around and watch Amare try those moves. They've gotten away from that as a team and thats a good thing. No need to bring in another player who might bring up the same tendencies. Also, the fact that Amare likes to make similar plays means we already have a player who works in that context, no need for another. I simply dont see Melo as a distributor or facilitator, although I would love to be proven wrong.

4) I agree that the Knicks need added scoring off the bench to prevent scoring droughts. However, I think the better move is to try to address the need for bench scoring, a defensive presence and a backup PG rather than simply only looking to add another superstar.

- Amare and Melo dont need 18 FGA per game playing together. Lebron and Wade both averaged 20 FGA last year. This year Lebron is averaging 17 FGA per game and Wade is averaging 16 FGA per game. The amount of shots is not important.

- How does Gallo score points? He shoots jumpers and gets to the line. How does Chandler score points? He shoots jumpers and gets to the line. Carmelo shoots jumpers and gets to the line. I dont understand what you are talking about? Carmelo gets ISO's to keep the double team from coming.

- If you dont think Carmelo can catch in shoot you obviously haven't seen him play much. Carmelo doesnt need to put the ball on the floor to shoot.

- This team in it's current form is not a contender even with another defensive big and a backup PG.

And it isn't a contender with Melo, Amare, Felton and almost nothing else. And you have no way to improve the team. Who do you think Denver is going to give up in addition to Melo.

I like Melo as a player I just don't think that Melo, Amare and Felton match up with LA, Boston or Miami.

I think our main disagreement are:

1) You seem to be saying we can find a 2 guard, center and bench on the cheap or that somehow Denver is going to fill those holes in addition to giving us Melo. I don't see why or how. If Denver has extra players that have value why would they send them to us? Why wouldn't they get another team involved and try to trade them for picks? You think we're already getting a steal getting Melo - in that case Denver has no reason to give us any additional value.
2) You seem to think Defense doesn't matter. But the teams we're competing against have both go to players on offense, excellent defense and most of them have a pretty good bench.
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12/13/2010  4:23 PM
SupremeCommander wrote:Amar'e and Melo would be an athletic, dangerous inside/outside offensive tandem, especially with Felton getting them the ball. That core has weaknesses, sure, but that's easier to address than finding another reliable, consistent scoring threat. Melo is just nasty and a pleasure to watch in person. He's bigger and stronger than other SFs. If he gets his conditioning up to 's standards, I think his game will get even better.

You add Melo, you add a supporting cast in the offseason, and then you have a perennial contender. I am still totally in favor of getting Melo. At some point this winning streak is going to end and the posts I'm reading are going to sound completely different



It depends on what you give up for Melo. Remember once you get Melo we probably have no cap space. If we give up too many assets how are you going to get those pieces. If Gallo, Chandler, Ar and Fields go in the Melo trade then we need a Center, two guard and a bench. Melo's is great but his offense isn't making up for that many holes.

Sure if we get Melo for Gallo and Curries contract - that's a totally different story. I'd hate to see Gallo go because he's a favorite (and because it's not clear to me that Melo is at the point in his career where he's willing to sacrifice personal glory for the good of the team - but he's a great player)

But this team already has holes and if we create new ones and leave ourselves without assets or Cap space I don't see a road to the top.
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12/13/2010  4:37 PM
Gallo, Chandler and Fields can't all go for Melo alone. However, it's possible a Melo trade would entail a 3-team blockbuster deal, in which case who knows, because we don't know what else might be coming back.
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12/13/2010  5:09 PM    LAST EDITED: 12/13/2010  5:09 PM
kingofelpaso wrote:Please tell me what it is that Carmelo Anthony provides that the Knicks have not sufficiently received this season from the combination of Wilson Chandler and Gallinari?

this is the consistent flawed logic that some of you apply in this debate... u can't simply combine the production out of 2 players without also considering the amount of total minutes it takes for that production to be made... if you're talking about taking Wilson & Gallo out of the rotation & inserting Melo in, you still also have to account for the other player that will inevitably be taking over the other rotation player that will be taking over the vacant slot... this is the same faulty logic that people had against signing Amare Stoudamire this summer because they felt we would be better off signing David Lee to $9M per & using the other $7M on another rotation player... the impact that a real star player can have on a team cannot be understated... if u don't believe that, tell me how the Nuggets felt after Melo took their team from being a 17 win team the year prior to his draft selection to being an instant playoff contender his rookie season... how much of an impact have Wilson or Gallo had on this team since they've been here?

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12/13/2010  5:24 PM
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kingofelpaso wrote:Please tell me what it is that Carmelo Anthony provides that the Knicks have not sufficiently received this season from the combination of Wilson Chandler and Gallinari?

this is the consistent flawed logic that some of you apply in this debate... u can't simply combine the production out of 2 players without also considering the amount of total minutes it takes for that production to be made... if you're talking about taking Wilson & Gallo out of the rotation & inserting Melo in, you still also have to account for the other player that will inevitably be taking over the other rotation player that will be taking over the vacant slot... this is the same faulty logic that people had against signing Amare Stoudamire this summer because they felt we would be better off signing David Lee to $9M per & using the other $7M on another rotation player... the impact that a real star player can have on a team cannot be understated... if u don't believe that, tell me how the Nuggets felt after Melo took their team from being a 17 win team the year prior to his draft selection to being an instant playoff contender his rookie season... how much of an impact have Wilson or Gallo had on this team since they've been here?

The Mayor and Gallo has made a great impact on this season. We are winning because they mesh perfectly in to the team dynamics. Gallo/Mayor/Fields are a great compliment to Amare and Felton right now. People are looking for people to step up but they all have. Subtracting any of these guys and adding Melo will have a different effect and will slow down our progress.

Can you actually say that Melo will mesh with Amare and Felton similar to what Gallo/Mayor/Fields are doing? I would rather have the problem of adding Melo with these 5 than surrendering any of them when patience can/might/may give you Melo anyways.
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TMS wrote:
kingofelpaso wrote:Please tell me what it is that Carmelo Anthony provides that the Knicks have not sufficiently received this season from the combination of Wilson Chandler and Gallinari?

this is the consistent flawed logic that some of you apply in this debate... u can't simply combine the production out of 2 players without also considering the amount of total minutes it takes for that production to be made... if you're talking about taking Wilson & Gallo out of the rotation & inserting Melo in, you still also have to account for the other player that will inevitably be taking over the other rotation player that will be taking over the vacant slot... this is the same faulty logic that people had against signing Amare Stoudamire this summer because they felt we would be better off signing David Lee to $9M per & using the other $7M on another rotation player... the impact that a real star player can have on a team cannot be understated... if u don't believe that, tell me how the Nuggets felt after Melo took their team from being a 17 win team the year prior to his draft selection to being an instant playoff contender his rookie season... how much of an impact have Wilson or Gallo had on this team since they've been here?

The Mayor and Gallo has made a great impact on this season. We are winning because they mesh perfectly in to the team dynamics. Gallo/Mayor/Fields are a great compliment to Amare and Felton right now. People are looking for people to step up but they all have. Subtracting any of these guys and adding Melo will have a different effect and will slow down our progress.

Can you actually say that Melo will mesh with Amare and Felton similar to what Gallo/Mayor/Fields are doing? I would rather have the problem of adding Melo with these 5 than surrendering any of them when patience can/might/may give you Melo anyways.

it's tough to call right now bocker b/c the knicks havent had a stretch playing vs elite teams. imho, melo, playing alongside amare and rayray gives you a better chance against those teams than gallo or chandler do.
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12/13/2010  5:27 PM
GodSaveTheKnicks wrote:I envision Melo drawing double teams regularly and kicking it to Amare for a nice easy mid range J. Or Amare doing the same for Melo.

If that's what you see in the future. 2 guys taking turns going one on one and kicking it to each other is not fun to watch and predictable and I would imagine not that hard to defend. That's the point people are trying to make. That's why they think Melo could be a bad fit here. They're scared of seeing 82 games of Melo driving to the hoop but not looking to pass when doubled.

people were scared of how Wade & Lebron would make it work in Miami too but they've figured it out & their team is rolling... i think Amare & Melo would be able to figure things out... it might take a short adjustment period for them to get used to playing with the other, but in the end i think the net impact would be beneficial for the Knicks' franchise... if there's 1 thing i will never doubt about MDA's skills as a coach, it's figuring out how to get guys shot opportunities in his system.


It's been well established that 99% of people on this board know that Melo is a pretty nasty player. It also looks more and more like he's going to wind up here.

Instead of the same cyclical argument of

Melo is great!

But he won't fit here.

Melo is nasty. He'll fit anywhere!

But he won't fit here.

If you're super sure that Melo takes us to the next level (I don't think it's a crazy idea btw), then let's start a more fun conversation


Step 1. Get Melo

Step 2. Find pieces that work around Melo, Amare, Felton.

Forget all these vague "Oh we'll find someone who can do the rest" statements.

Who are those pieces? How do we get them? How much do they cost?

Go.

i agree... all this silly debate over how we don't need Melo or that we do need Melo is moot... we're going to make a strong play for him, if u don't believe that then you're deluding yourself... if Melo ends up in NY (& it's looking more & more like he will), then we need to start thinking about the kind of team we can put around him, Amare & Felton that would best utilize their skillsets... i think the best bet is to make a trade for Melo while holding onto Wilson C & Fields if u can, unless we're also trading for Mayo as some rumors have suggested... personally i'd rather hold onto Fields than trade for Mayo, but that's just me... trading for Melo while holding onto Wilson will allow us to use his Bird Rights to extend him this summer & allow us to use the MLE & LLE to fill the other holes left in the roster... u couldn't do all those things if u waited to sign Melo in free agency & woul.d have to renounce Wilson C to boot

DW is gonna do what he thinks is best for this franchise & the rest of us will just have to believe in his decision... i doubted his decisions in the past & they have all turned out to be in our best interest, so i'm done doubting him at this point.

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NYKBocker wrote:
TMS wrote:
kingofelpaso wrote:Please tell me what it is that Carmelo Anthony provides that the Knicks have not sufficiently received this season from the combination of Wilson Chandler and Gallinari?

this is the consistent flawed logic that some of you apply in this debate... u can't simply combine the production out of 2 players without also considering the amount of total minutes it takes for that production to be made... if you're talking about taking Wilson & Gallo out of the rotation & inserting Melo in, you still also have to account for the other player that will inevitably be taking over the other rotation player that will be taking over the vacant slot... this is the same faulty logic that people had against signing Amare Stoudamire this summer because they felt we would be better off signing David Lee to $9M per & using the other $7M on another rotation player... the impact that a real star player can have on a team cannot be understated... if u don't believe that, tell me how the Nuggets felt after Melo took their team from being a 17 win team the year prior to his draft selection to being an instant playoff contender his rookie season... how much of an impact have Wilson or Gallo had on this team since they've been here?

The Mayor and Gallo has made a great impact on this season. We are winning because they mesh perfectly in to the team dynamics. Gallo/Mayor/Fields are a great compliment to Amare and Felton right now. People are looking for people to step up but they all have. Subtracting any of these guys and adding Melo will have a different effect and will slow down our progress.

Can you actually say that Melo will mesh with Amare and Felton similar to what Gallo/Mayor/Fields are doing? I would rather have the problem of adding Melo with these 5 than surrendering any of them when patience can/might/may give you Melo anyways.

I say we winning because of the 20 million dollar man Amare.

Have you considered the possibility of missing out on Melo and having to roll with essentially the same team next year.

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jimimou wrote:
NYKBocker wrote:
TMS wrote:
kingofelpaso wrote:Please tell me what it is that Carmelo Anthony provides that the Knicks have not sufficiently received this season from the combination of Wilson Chandler and Gallinari?

this is the consistent flawed logic that some of you apply in this debate... u can't simply combine the production out of 2 players without also considering the amount of total minutes it takes for that production to be made... if you're talking about taking Wilson & Gallo out of the rotation & inserting Melo in, you still also have to account for the other player that will inevitably be taking over the other rotation player that will be taking over the vacant slot... this is the same faulty logic that people had against signing Amare Stoudamire this summer because they felt we would be better off signing David Lee to $9M per & using the other $7M on another rotation player... the impact that a real star player can have on a team cannot be understated... if u don't believe that, tell me how the Nuggets felt after Melo took their team from being a 17 win team the year prior to his draft selection to being an instant playoff contender his rookie season... how much of an impact have Wilson or Gallo had on this team since they've been here?

The Mayor and Gallo has made a great impact on this season. We are winning because they mesh perfectly in to the team dynamics. Gallo/Mayor/Fields are a great compliment to Amare and Felton right now. People are looking for people to step up but they all have. Subtracting any of these guys and adding Melo will have a different effect and will slow down our progress.

Can you actually say that Melo will mesh with Amare and Felton similar to what Gallo/Mayor/Fields are doing? I would rather have the problem of adding Melo with these 5 than surrendering any of them when patience can/might/may give you Melo anyways.

it's tough to call right now bocker b/c the knicks havent had a stretch playing vs elite teams. imho, melo, playing alongside amare and rayray gives you a better chance against those teams than gallo or chandler do.

It is a tough call. I can see TMS view and if we do get Melo for 2 of the 3 then I will accept and cheer him on. I root the team and not the player.

Put it this way, if we did not have any leverage then I would be 50-50 and would not mind losing Chandler or Gallo since Melo is a superstar. BUT..the fact is that we have leverage. Patience my friends.
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AnubisADL wrote:
NYKBocker wrote:
TMS wrote:
kingofelpaso wrote:Please tell me what it is that Carmelo Anthony provides that the Knicks have not sufficiently received this season from the combination of Wilson Chandler and Gallinari?

this is the consistent flawed logic that some of you apply in this debate... u can't simply combine the production out of 2 players without also considering the amount of total minutes it takes for that production to be made... if you're talking about taking Wilson & Gallo out of the rotation & inserting Melo in, you still also have to account for the other player that will inevitably be taking over the other rotation player that will be taking over the vacant slot... this is the same faulty logic that people had against signing Amare Stoudamire this summer because they felt we would be better off signing David Lee to $9M per & using the other $7M on another rotation player... the impact that a real star player can have on a team cannot be understated... if u don't believe that, tell me how the Nuggets felt after Melo took their team from being a 17 win team the year prior to his draft selection to being an instant playoff contender his rookie season... how much of an impact have Wilson or Gallo had on this team since they've been here?

The Mayor and Gallo has made a great impact on this season. We are winning because they mesh perfectly in to the team dynamics. Gallo/Mayor/Fields are a great compliment to Amare and Felton right now. People are looking for people to step up but they all have. Subtracting any of these guys and adding Melo will have a different effect and will slow down our progress.

Can you actually say that Melo will mesh with Amare and Felton similar to what Gallo/Mayor/Fields are doing? I would rather have the problem of adding Melo with these 5 than surrendering any of them when patience can/might/may give you Melo anyways.

I say we winning because of the 20 million dollar man Amare.

Have you considered the possibility of missing out on Melo and having to roll with essentially the same team next year.

At this point, having won 8 games in a row, is that necessarily such a bad thing? Lets wait 2 weeks from now before we start to talk about the inadequacies and shortcomings of our team.
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12/13/2010  5:36 PM
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SupremeCommander wrote:Amar'e and Melo would be an athletic, dangerous inside/outside offensive tandem, especially with Felton getting them the ball. That core has weaknesses, sure, but that's easier to address than finding another reliable, consistent scoring threat. Melo is just nasty and a pleasure to watch in person. He's bigger and stronger than other SFs. If he gets his conditioning up to 's standards, I think his game will get even better.

You add Melo, you add a supporting cast in the offseason, and then you have a perennial contender. I am still totally in favor of getting Melo. At some point this winning streak is going to end and the posts I'm reading are going to sound completely different

in terms of the supporting cast...

Even with Melo in the fold, the Knicks still need a backup PG and a big who can defend/rebound.

PG: Felton 7.5 M
SG:
SF: Melo 17-20 M. His current extension is for $65/3.
PF: Amare 18.2 M
C:

Big assumption: Cap remains the same as this season 57-58 M. Amare + Felton + Melo = 42-45.

$12-13$M + Mid Level.

How do you fill out the rest of the roster to be a perennial contender?

This list may not have been updated for players who got extended but it's a start:

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?page=FreeAgents-10-11

I'm assuming to get Melo the Knicks have to give up rookie scale guys/picks. I'll assume the deal will be: Melo for Gallo, Fields, and AR

I won't play the what if game with salary, only say it leaves the Knicks with:

Felton
Chandler
Melo
Amar'e
Turiaf

Douglas
Mozgov
Williams
Walker
Rautins

yes, there are some holes that needs filling. but this team has a fair amount of depth. that's always been the problem here: a lot of mules but no race horses.

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kingofelpaso wrote:Please tell me what it is that Carmelo Anthony provides that the Knicks have not sufficiently received this season from the combination of Wilson Chandler and Gallinari?

this is the consistent flawed logic that some of you apply in this debate... u can't simply combine the production out of 2 players without also considering the amount of total minutes it takes for that production to be made... if you're talking about taking Wilson & Gallo out of the rotation & inserting Melo in, you still also have to account for the other player that will inevitably be taking over the other rotation player that will be taking over the vacant slot... this is the same faulty logic that people had against signing Amare Stoudamire this summer because they felt we would be better off signing David Lee to $9M per & using the other $7M on another rotation player... the impact that a real star player can have on a team cannot be understated... if u don't believe that, tell me how the Nuggets felt after Melo took their team from being a 17 win team the year prior to his draft selection to being an instant playoff contender his rookie season... how much of an impact have Wilson or Gallo had on this team since they've been here?

The Mayor and Gallo has made a great impact on this season. We are winning because they mesh perfectly in to the team dynamics. Gallo/Mayor/Fields are a great compliment to Amare and Felton right now. People are looking for people to step up but they all have. Subtracting any of these guys and adding Melo will have a different effect and will slow down our progress.

Can you actually say that Melo will mesh with Amare and Felton similar to what Gallo/Mayor/Fields are doing? I would rather have the problem of adding Melo with these 5 than surrendering any of them when patience can/might/may give you Melo anyways.

without the presence of Amare, this team is still a bottom feeder, let's be real about it... & neither Wilson nor Gallo are even close to being the type of impact player that Melo is... they're both excellent role players & i would love to be able to hold onto both of them, but you have to see the big picture & the potential value that adding another star could possibly have on this franchise... in my view, it can't simply be deduced to simple dollar amounts & statlines... Melo took a 17 win team to the playoffs his rookie season in a tough Western Conference... his team has never missed the playoffs ever since & came within 2 wins of making it to the Finals 1 year & beating the world champion Lakers... Amare took a 29 win laughing stock Knicks team to viability & playoff contention in the span of a few months... this is the type of impact we're talking about here... w/o stud players like that, the supporting role players like Wilson & Gallo don't win you many games.

& once again, u will have to lose either Wilson or Gallo anyway if u wait to sign Melo this summer... but if u make a move to trade for Melo now & can still hold onto Wilson C in the process u have the option of extending him as a RFA & retain your MLE & LLE to fill the other holes in your roster... it's not as simple as just adding Melo as a FA & keeping the rest of the team intact... that is not a possible scenario.

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12/13/2010  5:43 PM
AnubisADL wrote:
NYKBocker wrote:
TMS wrote:
kingofelpaso wrote:Please tell me what it is that Carmelo Anthony provides that the Knicks have not sufficiently received this season from the combination of Wilson Chandler and Gallinari?

this is the consistent flawed logic that some of you apply in this debate... u can't simply combine the production out of 2 players without also considering the amount of total minutes it takes for that production to be made... if you're talking about taking Wilson & Gallo out of the rotation & inserting Melo in, you still also have to account for the other player that will inevitably be taking over the other rotation player that will be taking over the vacant slot... this is the same faulty logic that people had against signing Amare Stoudamire this summer because they felt we would be better off signing David Lee to $9M per & using the other $7M on another rotation player... the impact that a real star player can have on a team cannot be understated... if u don't believe that, tell me how the Nuggets felt after Melo took their team from being a 17 win team the year prior to his draft selection to being an instant playoff contender his rookie season... how much of an impact have Wilson or Gallo had on this team since they've been here?

The Mayor and Gallo has made a great impact on this season. We are winning because they mesh perfectly in to the team dynamics. Gallo/Mayor/Fields are a great compliment to Amare and Felton right now. People are looking for people to step up but they all have. Subtracting any of these guys and adding Melo will have a different effect and will slow down our progress.

Can you actually say that Melo will mesh with Amare and Felton similar to what Gallo/Mayor/Fields are doing? I would rather have the problem of adding Melo with these 5 than surrendering any of them when patience can/might/may give you Melo anyways.

I say we winning because of the 20 million dollar man Amare.

Have you considered the possibility of missing out on Melo and having to roll with essentially the same team next year.

Amare is a big part of why we are winning. A huge part, but do you remember when we were 3-8 and Felton has not yet settled in? The Mayor was in a funk and same with Gallo for 2 games? When they started gelling together we are almost unbeatable. A lot of these teams were winning in the beginning of the season beating up on sub-500 teams just like us in the middle part of the early season. The difference is that we were beating these sub-500 teams on the road.

If we miss out on Melo and we still have Amare/Felton/Gallo/Mayor/Fields then I am fine with that. Trading for players is a gamble. You never know how they will fit in. I already know these 5 pieces are good together. I want to add Melo to the 5 and go from there.
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12/13/2010  5:43 PM
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kingofelpaso wrote:Please tell me what it is that Carmelo Anthony provides that the Knicks have not sufficiently received this season from the combination of Wilson Chandler and Gallinari?

this is the consistent flawed logic that some of you apply in this debate... u can't simply combine the production out of 2 players without also considering the amount of total minutes it takes for that production to be made... if you're talking about taking Wilson & Gallo out of the rotation & inserting Melo in, you still also have to account for the other player that will inevitably be taking over the other rotation player that will be taking over the vacant slot... this is the same faulty logic that people had against signing Amare Stoudamire this summer because they felt we would be better off signing David Lee to $9M per & using the other $7M on another rotation player... the impact that a real star player can have on a team cannot be understated... if u don't believe that, tell me how the Nuggets felt after Melo took their team from being a 17 win team the year prior to his draft selection to being an instant playoff contender his rookie season... how much of an impact have Wilson or Gallo had on this team since they've been here?

The Mayor and Gallo has made a great impact on this season. We are winning because they mesh perfectly in to the team dynamics. Gallo/Mayor/Fields are a great compliment to Amare and Felton right now. People are looking for people to step up but they all have. Subtracting any of these guys and adding Melo will have a different effect and will slow down our progress.

Can you actually say that Melo will mesh with Amare and Felton similar to what Gallo/Mayor/Fields are doing? I would rather have the problem of adding Melo with these 5 than surrendering any of them when patience can/might/may give you Melo anyways.

without the presence of Amare, this team is still a bottom feeder, let's be real about it... & neither Wilson nor Gallo are even close to being the type of impact player that Melo is... they're both excellent role players & i would love to be able to hold onto both of them, but you have to see the big picture & the potential value that adding another star could possibly have on this franchise... in my view, it can't simply be deduced to simple dollar amounts & statlines... Melo took a 17 win team to the playoffs his rookie season in a tough Western Conference... his team has never missed the playoffs ever since & came within 2 wins of making it to the Finals 1 year & beating the world champion Lakers... Amare took a 29 win laughing stock Knicks team to viability & playoff contention in the span of a few months... this is the type of impact we're talking about here... w/o stud players like that, the supporting role players like Wilson & Gallo don't win you many games.

& once again, u will have to lose either Wilson or Gallo anyway if u wait to sign Melo this summer... but if u make a move to trade for Melo now & can still hold onto Wilson C in the process u have the option of extending him as a RFA & retain your MLE & LLE to fill the other holes in your roster... it's not as simple as just adding Melo as a FA & keeping the rest of the team intact... that is not a possible scenario.

im starting to be swayed back to the tms camp.

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12/13/2010  5:46 PM
NYKBocker wrote:If we miss out on Melo and we still have Amare/Felton/Gallo/Mayor/Fields then I am fine with that. Trading for players is a gamble. You never know how they will fit in. I already know these 5 pieces are good together. I want to add Melo to the 5 and go from there.

if we miss out on Melo & DW deems that the price would have been too much to trade for him, then i'm fine with it too... if Melo signs w/another team this summer (which i don't see happening) then i'm fine with rolling w/our current team & building from there too... i just don't think that's gonna happen... i think Melo is gonna end up in NY, 1 way or the other, & right now i think it makes more sense to trade for him than signing him as a FA for all the reasons i've already stated.

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NYKBocker wrote:Amare is a big part of why we are winning. A huge part, but do you remember when we were 3-8 and Felton has not yet settled in? The Mayor was in a funk and same with Gallo for 2 games? When they started gelling together we are almost unbeatable. A lot of these teams were winning in the beginning of the season beating up on sub-500 teams just like us in the middle part of the early season. The difference is that we were beating these sub-500 teams on the road.

If we miss out on Melo and we still have Amare/Felton/Gallo/Mayor/Fields then I am fine with that. Trading for players is a gamble. You never know how they will fit in. I already know these 5 pieces are good together. I want to add Melo to the 5 and go from there.

I remember the beginning of the season. All Im saying is Amare knee's arent growing new cartilage and AR, Gallo, and Fields have done nothing to show me they are future all stars.

Remember Portland a few years ago with all their lottery picks. Only ones that amounted to anything were Aldridge and Roy and neither are as good as Amare is right now.

I believe the Knicks can upset a team in the first round if we get Melo this season. As long as we dont meet Miami in the first round I think we have a chance. I dont think we can outrun Miami.

D'Antoni's offense is about hitting shots. Those shots dont necessarily need to be 3's you just need to make them at a high rate. So Im not worried about Melo fitting in because he doesn't need to dribble too shoot.

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