Vmart wrote:

tkf wrote:

Vmart wrote:

franco12 wrote:

fishmike wrote:

franco12 wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Vmart wrote:

fishmike wrote:

TheSage wrote:Curry, Chandler, Randoph and Walker for Carmelo works and is reasonable for Melo. Walker and Randolph still have the upside potential but really dont think Denver accepts at this point-maybe closer to trade deadline and probably better package than Nets can offer and still keep a semblemce of a s team. Only core player we are giving up is Chandler and Denver gets the upside with Randolph and Walker and the 1st rounder. Fair deal.

how about Gallo, Chandler, Fields, Curry and Mosgov for Melo, Balkman and JR Smith? First we have to trade Turiaf for late first rounder to include.

You guys are cracking me up.

One hand says Melo is a star and instantly puts us with the elite team. The other hand then says it wont cost you that much to trade for him.

Which is it? If he's a star he's going to command a star's ransom, which is blue chip prospects, salary relief and pick(s). If he's not going to cost a superstar's price why are trading for a scorer? Seems to be we are scsoring pretty good. Is Melo helping us rebound? Is Melo going to create more easy shots for our players? Is Melo going to defend the post?

Or we could trade for Melo and call it a day. IF you think whats happening in Miami isnt relevent your in denial. Melo needs 20+ shots a game to impact your W/L.

Fish, one minute you are telling people how overrated Melo is and the next your saying he worth all these Knicks players. Which one is it? I think you want Melo on the team as bad as the everyone that is on the Melo to NY bandwagon.

what I'm talking about is Melo's percieved value, which is something I want no part of. Melo is a guy who thinks he's Kobe/Lebron, and his team is going to ask for a package that indicates he's a Kobe/Lebron and I was ZERO part of that.

The only thing I really like about Melo is that he wants to come here.

My comments were about you bandwagon guys who on one hand say Melo is a star, but on the other hand it wont decimate our roster to get him. You cant have it both ways. If he's not going to be that pricey, its because he's not as good as you think. Therefore I would rather keep our depth of Fields/Gallo/Chander who are showing that any one of them can score 20+ a night.

So NO. I dont want Melo on this team. You overrate his value on the court and underate what it will take to get him.

Fish- I agree with you- but we might be able to get him cheaply if Walsh plays his cards right and there is no demand from other teams. There is the potential that we have leverage to get him for little more than what we'd have to give up during the summer.

Now, whether that is likely to happen- I suspect not.

If thats the case then fine... Melo would be the 2nd best player on our roster, no doubt.

Whats the deal? Would it be Curry/Chandler/Fields + a pick for Melo/Balkman? How could Denver ask for less?

I'm not sure Gallo and Chandler will be stars but they are both really good players.

I just dont see Melo as the super elusive star we covet en route to a title. Not at all. We will go deeper in the playoffs with size, skill and defense like Det did rather than living and dying with Melo's scoring in the playoffs.

I don't offer Denver anything more than what we have to give up in the off season- which I think is Curry & Chandler if we are signing him outright. Take it or leave it - maybe add in a 2nd rounder.

Now- Denver might be asking more- will they get it? They actually could lose him for nothing. Yes, its Chandler for Melo in a way, and no, that's not fair- but he is a good, 2 way player- young and they can see for themselves if they can win with him vs. Melo.

But I don't think I even want melo at that price. Rather keep Chandler at a reasonable price.

The trick is to get rid of Gallo the dude is to inconsistent with his shooting. Rather keep Chandler. At least he has an all around game and seems to fit MDA system better than Gallo. I personally think that the deal to be made will be Gallo/AR and fillers nothing more. After all they could lose Melo for nothing in FA. The reason I would shoot for a trade is so Melo comes in with an extension on his contract and this allows the Knicks to retain Chandler with his bird rights.

And your proof of this is where?

Do you need proof of a player who basically plays all positions in the system and produces on a night in and night out basis. Chandler is the better player its not even close. If Gallo's inconsistent jumper isn't falling you can pretty much put a guard on him and take him out of the equation. You put a guard on Chandler he is gonna punish that guard by taking him down low. Gallo doesn't do that he will hang and jack up threes. He just doesn't get it. He forget the formula of success. You think Gallo has it figured out and then he for some reason he abandons what brought him success.

the numbers tell a different story.. this is how you feel... I feel different.. does that make me right? both guys are around 15-16ppg and 4-5 boards per game.. gallo shoots better from deep which fits this system more, and honestly, I still see more upside in gallo's game... to say that chandler is the better player and it is not close is way off..

You put a guard on Chandler he is gonna punish that guard by taking him down low.

no he doesnt.. last night he had harris on him I think, took him down low and almost shot an airball.. it is wll documented that chandler rushes in the post.. he is not very good posting up smaller players...

NYKBocker wrote:

tkf wrote:

You put a guard on Chandler he is gonna punish that guard by taking him down low.

no he doesnt.. last night he had harris on him I think, took him down low and almost shot an airball.. it is wll documented that chandler rushes in the post.. he is not very good posting up smaller players...

This is true. Wilson has terrible feet in the low post. He needs to work on his post moves in the offseason.

Just like Gallo did right .

tkf wrote:

TMS wrote:IMO right now, Wilson is easily the better player than Gallo based on how they've played this season... Wilson is a better defender in the post, a much better shotblocker, & is much better at getting to the hole & finishing in the paint... Gallo has regressed into becoming a 3 pt specialist on many nights... he's got all the talent to be so much more but he seems to be content to defer to everyone else & just wait on the wings for his 3 pt shooting opportunities of late... that's not a good sign... for his part he does give effort on the defensive end, but he's not quick to recover against guys who are smaller & quicker than him... Wilson has brought some much needed help defense & shotblocking to the table this season & he's being much more aggressive going to the hole & not just settling for 3's of late... that is a good sign from him & exactly how he should be playing w/his skillset.

I think chandlers man defense has gotten worse while his blocks have gone up.. or maybe we just overrated his man defense.. IMO

not just settling for 3's of late..

chandler was 1-5 from three last night.. he is still throwing them up there.. he also took 8 vs detroit the other day..i THINK becasue he had a good game last night, we tend to miss that..

i saw him pass up a wide open 3 at least 3 times & drive hard to the lane & get fouled on his way to and 1's in the 4th quarter... Wilson is still taking 3's just like every other player is, but he's not just settling for it everytime he touches the ball... when he's aggressive taking the ball to the hole, good things happen... i hope to keep seeing him play this way.

Vmart wrote:

tkf wrote:

Vmart wrote:

franco12 wrote:

fishmike wrote:

franco12 wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Vmart wrote:

fishmike wrote:

TheSage wrote:Curry, Chandler, Randoph and Walker for Carmelo works and is reasonable for Melo. Walker and Randolph still have the upside potential but really dont think Denver accepts at this point-maybe closer to trade deadline and probably better package than Nets can offer and still keep a semblemce of a s team. Only core player we are giving up is Chandler and Denver gets the upside with Randolph and Walker and the 1st rounder. Fair deal.

how about Gallo, Chandler, Fields, Curry and Mosgov for Melo, Balkman and JR Smith? First we have to trade Turiaf for late first rounder to include.

You guys are cracking me up.

One hand says Melo is a star and instantly puts us with the elite team. The other hand then says it wont cost you that much to trade for him.

Which is it? If he's a star he's going to command a star's ransom, which is blue chip prospects, salary relief and pick(s). If he's not going to cost a superstar's price why are trading for a scorer? Seems to be we are scsoring pretty good. Is Melo helping us rebound? Is Melo going to create more easy shots for our players? Is Melo going to defend the post?

Or we could trade for Melo and call it a day. IF you think whats happening in Miami isnt relevent your in denial. Melo needs 20+ shots a game to impact your W/L.

Fish, one minute you are telling people how overrated Melo is and the next your saying he worth all these Knicks players. Which one is it? I think you want Melo on the team as bad as the everyone that is on the Melo to NY bandwagon.

what I'm talking about is Melo's percieved value, which is something I want no part of. Melo is a guy who thinks he's Kobe/Lebron, and his team is going to ask for a package that indicates he's a Kobe/Lebron and I was ZERO part of that.

The only thing I really like about Melo is that he wants to come here.

My comments were about you bandwagon guys who on one hand say Melo is a star, but on the other hand it wont decimate our roster to get him. You cant have it both ways. If he's not going to be that pricey, its because he's not as good as you think. Therefore I would rather keep our depth of Fields/Gallo/Chander who are showing that any one of them can score 20+ a night.

So NO. I dont want Melo on this team. You overrate his value on the court and underate what it will take to get him.

Fish- I agree with you- but we might be able to get him cheaply if Walsh plays his cards right and there is no demand from other teams. There is the potential that we have leverage to get him for little more than what we'd have to give up during the summer.

Now, whether that is likely to happen- I suspect not.

If thats the case then fine... Melo would be the 2nd best player on our roster, no doubt.

Whats the deal? Would it be Curry/Chandler/Fields + a pick for Melo/Balkman? How could Denver ask for less?

I'm not sure Gallo and Chandler will be stars but they are both really good players.

I just dont see Melo as the super elusive star we covet en route to a title. Not at all. We will go deeper in the playoffs with size, skill and defense like Det did rather than living and dying with Melo's scoring in the playoffs.

I don't offer Denver anything more than what we have to give up in the off season- which I think is Curry & Chandler if we are signing him outright. Take it or leave it - maybe add in a 2nd rounder.

Now- Denver might be asking more- will they get it? They actually could lose him for nothing. Yes, its Chandler for Melo in a way, and no, that's not fair- but he is a good, 2 way player- young and they can see for themselves if they can win with him vs. Melo.

But I don't think I even want melo at that price. Rather keep Chandler at a reasonable price.

The trick is to get rid of Gallo the dude is to inconsistent with his shooting. Rather keep Chandler. At least he has an all around game and seems to fit MDA system better than Gallo. I personally think that the deal to be made will be Gallo/AR and fillers nothing more. After all they could lose Melo for nothing in FA. The reason I would shoot for a trade is so Melo comes in with an extension on his contract and this allows the Knicks to retain Chandler with his bird rights.

And your proof of this is where?

Do you need proof of a player who basically plays all positions in the system and produces on a night in and night out basis. Chandler is the better player its not even close. If Gallo's inconsistent jumper isn't falling you can pretty much put a guard on him and take him out of the equation. You put a guard on Chandler he is gonna punish that guard by taking him down low. Gallo doesn't do that he will hang and jack up threes. He just doesn't get it. He forget the formula of success. You think Gallo has it figured out and then he for some reason he abandons what brought him success.

Thats what the depth buys you.

Gallo has scored 20+ 7 times. Chandler 8 times, but they have only done it twice together. That tells me that most nights teams can handle one, but not both.

THATS HUGE

Every "we dont need Melo" arguement I have ever made revolves around this. You can take Gallo out of the game. You can take Chandler out of the game. Taking both out? Not likely to happen.

Pistons PROVED you can beat stars with depth and size.

My god, if we could ever develop Mosgov/AR into solid players, especially on defense and Chandler/Gallo continue to get better your top shelf scoring core guys are Amare/Felton/Gallo/Chandler supported by Douglas/Fields/Mosgov/AR.

Thats an 8 deep rotation of size, skill and defense. All 8 guys defend and rebound are big (or play big).

The reason the Heat stink is they cant survive a bad shooting night from LBJ or Wade, because the rest of them SUCK.

We can build something big. Let it cook

Where exactly does Gallo play if we do get Melo? That's a question that I just don't see answered. Sure, his 3-pt shooting would fit nicely with Melo/Amare, but we can find a 3-pt shooting role player elsewhere. The versatility and defense Chandler gives us is something Gallo can't really replicate. Chandler has proven he can play the 2, 3, and now the 4. He's literally the ideal 6th man we could have backing up Melo/Amare, and even sliding in to join them in the lineup when we go small-ball.

Gallo just does not seem like a good fit on a team with Melo/Amare. Much rather trade for Melo using Gallo/AR as our trade chips, then lose Chandler/Turiaf over the summer. If Denver also wants Fields or Chandler in addition to Gallo/AR, then screw them. Let them sweat it out.

scoshin wrote:I like both Gallo/Chandler, but I'd much rather have Chandler with the team if we were to get Melo.

Where exactly does Gallo play if we do get Melo? That's a question that I just don't see answered. Sure, his 3-pt shooting would fit nicely with Melo/Amare, but we can find a 3-pt shooting role player elsewhere. The versatility and defense Chandler gives us is something Gallo can't really replicate. Chandler has proven he can play the 2, 3, and now the 4. He's literally the ideal 6th man we could have backing up Melo/Amare, and even sliding in to join them in the lineup when we go small-ball.

Gallo just does not seem like a good fit on a team with Melo/Amare. Much rather trade for Melo using Gallo/AR as our trade chips, then lose Chandler/Turiaf over the summer. If Denver also wants Fields or Chandler in addition to Gallo/AR, then screw them. Let them sweat it out.

If I could choose between OJ MAyo + Maureese Speights or Melo its a no brainer... give me the 2

"We cannot make decisions that cost the team, and then come off the sideline and it's nonchalant. No. ... I'd rather play with 10 (yoots) and just get penalized all the way until we have to do something else rather than play with (Carmelo) when I know that right now that person is not sold out to be a part of this team.

Cannot play with 'em

cannot win with 'em

cannot coach with 'em

Can't do it

I want winners!"

- Mike Singletary

AnubisADL wrote:

martin wrote:Knicks are still looking to finish gelling as new teammates and they are still ranked as one of the best offensive teams out there... and we want to add an offensive-only guy?

Knicks do indeed need a closer and someone who can break down a man and score at will, but it's their defense that needs improving.

Gimme Marc Gasol type for the $$$ that we can spend.

Marc Gasol?

He is good but I dont think he makes us contenders.

I have to admit that I haven't watched him much and can only "read" what I see in his stats.

He is a big dude and can give you a legit 30+ minutes a night. Knows the Euro passing game and prob compliments Amare. Rebounds, defends and isn't afraid to mix it up.

It would push a dude like Turiaf to Knicks bench and make him the leader of that group.

Potent for Knicks.