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Game Thread: New York Knicks (3-3) vs. Milwaukee Bucks (2-5) - Tuesday, November 9, 2010 - 8:00 PM EST
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AnubisADL
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11/9/2010  11:02 PM
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thejerk wrote:We didnt get blown by the Sixers, and it is too early to get so down. Gallo is pissing me off though, and at the moment, I kinda wished we would have picked up Lopez, maybe Gallo makes me eat my words one day but I doubt it. Centers are much harder to find than small forwards, we have like eight on our team...

Both Gallo and Felton are pissing me off. Amare needs to slap both of those guys silly and tell them to start playing smart and with some heart.

thejerk wrote:When Landry got called for that charge, we pretty much had our hearts ripped out from us, not sure if it would have made a difference.

Chandler? When he barely rubbed past Maggette on way to basket and passed off to Laundry?

- Gallo is showing his true colors as a poor mans Peja Stoyakovic. Felton is showing the higher the tempo the higher his TO's. Larry Browns snail paced offense helped Felton keep his TO's down.

- Maggette has been using the SAME tricks since he came into the league. Maggette gets to the line which is why he was brought in. Poor scouting by the Knicks?

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11/9/2010  11:04 PM
pathetic, too many jumpers, too many fouls, too many floating shots...

mozgov,stop shooting jumpers..

gallo, stop standing in the corner..

chandler, stop charging..

Amare, stop shooting 20 foot jumpers...

Felton and douglas.. look up.. guys are open. stop counting shoelaces!!

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11/9/2010  11:05 PM
AnubisADL wrote:
martin wrote:
thejerk wrote:We didnt get blown by the Sixers, and it is too early to get so down. Gallo is pissing me off though, and at the moment, I kinda wished we would have picked up Lopez, maybe Gallo makes me eat my words one day but I doubt it. Centers are much harder to find than small forwards, we have like eight on our team...

Both Gallo and Felton are pissing me off. Amare needs to slap both of those guys silly and tell them to start playing smart and with some heart.

thejerk wrote:When Landry got called for that charge, we pretty much had our hearts ripped out from us, not sure if it would have made a difference.

Chandler? When he barely rubbed past Maggette on way to basket and passed off to Laundry?

- Gallo is showing his true colors as a poor mans Peja Stoyakovic. Felton is showing the higher the tempo the higher his TO's. Larry Browns snail paced offense helped Felton keep his TO's down.

- Maggette has been using the SAME tricks since he came into the league. Maggette gets to the line which is why he was brought in. Poor scouting by the Knicks?

I don't really think this happens. D'Antoni has been called out by his peers for this and never refuted it.

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11/9/2010  11:14 PM
knicks dont scout. please fire mike 'antoni
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11/9/2010  11:16 PM
Caseloads wrote:knicks dont scout. please fire mike 'antoni
+1
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11/9/2010  11:24 PM
Caseloads wrote:knicks dont scout. please fire mike 'antoni

You can have Phil Jackson out there coaching and this team ain't winning. There is a lack of star power on the team. Star power provides consistency on most nights. What the Knicks have are young players who have talent but have no clue how to get to consistency. This team is goin to experience many of these night this year and possibly next year unless something is done about it. Either the young step up and become consistent or they go out and get players that are consistent.

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11/9/2010  11:44 PM
martin wrote:
thejerk wrote:We didnt get blown by the Sixers, and it is too early to get so down. Gallo is pissing me off though, and at the moment, I kinda wished we would have picked up Lopez, maybe Gallo makes me eat my words one day but I doubt it. Centers are much harder to find than small forwards, we have like eight on our team...

Both Gallo and Felton are pissing me off. Amare needs to slap both of those guys silly and tell them to start playing smart and with some heart.

thejerk wrote:When Landry got called for that charge, we pretty much had our hearts ripped out from us, not sure if it would have made a difference.

Chandler? When he barely rubbed past Maggette on way to basket and passed off to Laundry?

My fault, Landry had bucket, but it was Will who got called for that B@ll****. Honestly, I dont think it would have made the difference, but that was certainly a momentum changer.

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11/9/2010  11:53 PM    LAST EDITED: 11/9/2010  11:55 PM
It may be a fcked up team. Amare looks like a version of Udonis Haslem now. We have no post game. We start a 2nd round and an undrafted rookie. Gallo and randolph have been bad. Were thin at the G. I thought this was going to be a fast athletic team that would be a hard match up and Im just wrong.

I always felt to build a great team you need to start inside out. I think to be fair to Amare--we need to find a 5 who can play some. I know Turriaf has given good minutes but hes not an NBA starter and Mosgov is two years out.

We have a team that has a few vets and too much youth--I think its either one way or the other and with our drat pick situation and Amares contract--we might need to find other vets. Doesnt ahev to be today--but you can see we will have some nice flashes but its not going to work well/

I think we keep Douglas Fields Amare and anyone else can be had for the right price--including Felton and Mosgov. MDA has to prove he should be this teams coach. Thats on him for blowing two late leads at home.


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11/10/2010  12:08 AM
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nixluva wrote:Losing that last game might be a blessing coming into this one. The team should be focused and anxious to erase the bad taste from that loss.

well then imagine what a blessing losing this one could be. haha.

we should all feel mega blessed

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11/10/2010  12:12 AM
thejerk wrote:
martin wrote:
thejerk wrote:We didnt get blown by the Sixers, and it is too early to get so down. Gallo is pissing me off though, and at the moment, I kinda wished we would have picked up Lopez, maybe Gallo makes me eat my words one day but I doubt it. Centers are much harder to find than small forwards, we have like eight on our team...

Both Gallo and Felton are pissing me off. Amare needs to slap both of those guys silly and tell them to start playing smart and with some heart.

thejerk wrote:When Landry got called for that charge, we pretty much had our hearts ripped out from us, not sure if it would have made a difference.

Chandler? When he barely rubbed past Maggette on way to basket and passed off to Laundry?

My fault, Landry had bucket, but it was Will who got called for that B@ll****. Honestly, I dont think it would have made the difference, but that was certainly a momentum changer.

that was a big momentum breaker.

Is it me or does it seem like the Knicks always are on the short end of getting calls? I know I have asked this in other GameThreads.

There was that play in the 3rd where Amare and Bogut started to get chippy and Bogut blocked Amare on one end and then was able to get downcourt and dunked hard after a between the legs bounce pass from the-pick-that-wasn't-Hill.... was it me or did Bogut foul Amare like 3 times as he was making his move to the basket before the block occurred?

And TD was getting constantly hacked (while also fumbling the ball)

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11/10/2010  12:18 AM
guess its good i flippin got stuck at work till 1120pm... still, 3-4 and it still early folks. 41 wins and many other low 40s projections are not impossible and stuff can still get better.
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11/10/2010  12:19 AM
CrushAlot wrote:
Caseloads wrote:knicks dont scout. please fire mike 'antoni
+1

Here's what a Sixer Junkie posted after the Sixers Game

tk76 wrote:Thought I'd give you some perspective form a Sixers junkie.

1. Afternoon games usually have one or both teams out of rhythm. In the Knicks case that meant poor shooting. But they also were not generating open looks. I rarely saw drives creating open 3's. And when you shoot contested shots all game, its hard to get into a rhythm. While Jrue was left wide open and dared to shoot. The Knicks went under screens all game, which is odd against a PG who shot 39% from 3 last year and came off of a 29 pt night where he shot 3-5 from deep.

2. Aggressive interior players kill the Sxiers. Even unskilled guys like Varejo. That is because Hawes and Speights are the 2 worst defensive bigs in the league (and Brand is often a step slow.) But today the only active Knicks only energy big was Turiaf- but he never tried to do anything on offense (even simple put backs or attacking when he has a wife open lane.) Amare was active, but it was not enough.

3. The Sxiers have good defensive guards in Turner and Jrue. The Knicks perimeter scheme really played to the Sixers strength, And on the plays where TD or Felton got past them, they often made careless passes or poor shot choices.

4. Jrue is on fire right now (scored 29/9 the prior game and hit 3 of 5 from 3pts.) The Knicks did nothing to take the ball out of his hands, and they went under screens all day. Not to mention that Jrue tends to go off against small PG's (Clev w/ Mo Williams and Gibson, Knicks w/ Felton/TD.) If the Knicks had hard trapped Jrue he probably would have lost his rhythm. he is a streak young player who can get flustered- but the Knicks did not seem to treat him as the Sixers #1 weapon- which is what he is (especially without Iguodala.)

I realize the Sixers are a lottery team. But the Knicks are not good enough to think they can walk over teams without actually game planning for their opponents strengths and weakness or adapting in game to try and take away the opponents best player.

5. Stop going for pump fakes. Lou is not even that great of a shooter. 2 years ago he shot 29% on 200+ 3pt attempts (was 34% last year.) Why close that hard on a guy known for driving? He's not a guy you should crowd. Let him jack 20 ft jumpers and you win. They had their defensive approach for Jrue and Lou reversed. Crowd Jrue and he gets flustered. Crowd Lou and he parades to the foul line. Lou shot 17 and 13 FT's in 2 of their previous games (in limited minutes.) Again, the Knick did not seem aware of the Sixers few weapons, and I assume they figured they did not need to game-plan against the opponents two best players... even a few minior adjustments and it would have been easy for the Knicks.


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11/10/2010  12:35 AM
Juice wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
Caseloads wrote:knicks dont scout. please fire mike 'antoni
+1

Here's what a Sixer Junkie posted after the Sixers Game

tk76 wrote:Thought I'd give you some perspective form a Sixers junkie.

1. Afternoon games usually have one or both teams out of rhythm. In the Knicks case that meant poor shooting. But they also were not generating open looks. I rarely saw drives creating open 3's. And when you shoot contested shots all game, its hard to get into a rhythm. While Jrue was left wide open and dared to shoot. The Knicks went under screens all game, which is odd against a PG who shot 39% from 3 last year and came off of a 29 pt night where he shot 3-5 from deep.

2. Aggressive interior players kill the Sxiers. Even unskilled guys like Varejo. That is because Hawes and Speights are the 2 worst defensive bigs in the league (and Brand is often a step slow.) But today the only active Knicks only energy big was Turiaf- but he never tried to do anything on offense (even simple put backs or attacking when he has a wife open lane.) Amare was active, but it was not enough.

3. The Sxiers have good defensive guards in Turner and Jrue. The Knicks perimeter scheme really played to the Sixers strength, And on the plays where TD or Felton got past them, they often made careless passes or poor shot choices.

4. Jrue is on fire right now (scored 29/9 the prior game and hit 3 of 5 from 3pts.) The Knicks did nothing to take the ball out of his hands, and they went under screens all day. Not to mention that Jrue tends to go off against small PG's (Clev w/ Mo Williams and Gibson, Knicks w/ Felton/TD.) If the Knicks had hard trapped Jrue he probably would have lost his rhythm. he is a streak young player who can get flustered- but the Knicks did not seem to treat him as the Sixers #1 weapon- which is what he is (especially without Iguodala.)

I realize the Sixers are a lottery team. But the Knicks are not good enough to think they can walk over teams without actually game planning for their opponents strengths and weakness or adapting in game to try and take away the opponents best player.

5. Stop going for pump fakes. Lou is not even that great of a shooter. 2 years ago he shot 29% on 200+ 3pt attempts (was 34% last year.) Why close that hard on a guy known for driving? He's not a guy you should crowd. Let him jack 20 ft jumpers and you win. They had their defensive approach for Jrue and Lou reversed. Crowd Jrue and he gets flustered. Crowd Lou and he parades to the foul line. Lou shot 17 and 13 FT's in 2 of their previous games (in limited minutes.) Again, the Knick did not seem aware of the Sixers few weapons, and I assume they figured they did not need to game-plan against the opponents two best players... even a few minior adjustments and it would have been easy for the Knicks.


We aren't good covering the core principles of what makes a good basketball team

There is a lot of hoopla around this team, from J Dolan to Isiah, and from Walsh to MDA. We just signed our "savior", we have a revamped roster and any time Curry puts down the twinkie to lift up a weight is something newsworthy. Do you see how many different egos/personalities we have here, couple that with the stupid ny media madness and I am really shocked that are not 0-7 at this point...

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11/10/2010  1:06 AM
a week ago all i saw were posts like "SEE! This is what MDA basketball is all about! It was only a matter of time until our coach got our guys playing his style of basketball the way he intended! This team can win 50 games this year!"

now that we're 3-4, it's all "OMG! I hate this fekkin' team! Fire the coach! Hide yo kids! Hide yo wife!"

relax people... it's 7 games into the season... wait til we have a fair amount of games to evaluate just where this team is before you jump off the deep end in either direction.

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11/10/2010  1:15 AM
TMS wrote:a week ago all i saw were posts like "SEE! This is what MDA basketball is all about! It was only a matter of time until our coach got our guys playing his style of basketball the way he intended! This team can win 50 games this year!"

now that we're 3-4, it's all "OMG! I hate this fekkin' team! Fire the coach! Hide yo kids! Hide yo wife!"

relax people... it's 7 games into the season... wait til we have a fair amount of games to evaluate just where this team is before you jump off the deep end in either direction.

Our coach sucks. I didn't need to see this game or 7gms thus far to come to this conclusion.

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11/10/2010  1:30 AM
Juice wrote:
TMS wrote:a week ago all i saw were posts like "SEE! This is what MDA basketball is all about! It was only a matter of time until our coach got our guys playing his style of basketball the way he intended! This team can win 50 games this year!"

now that we're 3-4, it's all "OMG! I hate this fekkin' team! Fire the coach! Hide yo kids! Hide yo wife!"

relax people... it's 7 games into the season... wait til we have a fair amount of games to evaluate just where this team is before you jump off the deep end in either direction.

Our coach sucks. I didn't need to see this game or 7gms thus far to come to this conclusion.

i think he deserves at least until the Allstar break with this current roster before we call for his head... we made it through 2 crappy seasons w/him at the helm but roster instability always deflected accountability... this year he has no more excuses to fall back on, but 7 games is not a fair amount of games to decide he can't coach.

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11/10/2010  3:34 AM
The coach doesn't suck and the team will eventually find some balance. I actually thought the Knicks came out with the right attitude, but the Bucks just couldn't miss. That's gonna happen sometimes. They got blitzed by a desperate team tonight. It happens. I actually liked their energy and effort, but they made too many mistakes on D, in particular going for the fakes too often. On offense the Knicks took the easy way out too often taking bad jumpers. We needed to go inside and by the time they started to attack the basket it was too late. Also the PnR is still a bit shaky. I think it's getting better, but not good enough and not consistent enough. The timing by Felton is AWFUL. He seems to always be late in delivering the ball and often the pass is off line or easily picked off.

I don't want to see Mason ever again. Whatever he had it seems to be gone. I thought Rautins looked better and if not for having to guard Boykins, which isn't fair to Andy, I think he could be more useful than Mason.

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11/10/2010  7:29 AM
You are never as bad as you look when you lose and not as good as you look when you win. This team is still learning each other. Tonight, they met a team with a tough mentality and needed a win. NY was not ready. Whose fault? Probably equal coach and players but I think they all want to win but they have not learned what effort level is needed. Felton was bad early and the defense never showed up.

As for Gallo, I think that on every road trip, they need to tell him they are playing in Italy. He is happy to be a wall flower too many times on offense.

What is with Fields posing on his dunk when it cut the lead to 16? 16?!!! That is not right and I was suprised to see it from him.

The key is Amare. They must find a way to get him the ball in better positions, he is turning into a jump shooter and while he is good form 15-20, he is better in the paint. I blame this on the coach and PG's.

Must win tonight, to right the ship.

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11/10/2010  8:18 AM
bad loss. Really bad. Knicks need to bounce back and have a very tough opponenet. GS playing great, Lee is a perfect fit and will no doubt have a good game.
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11/10/2010  8:37 AM
A revamped roster, rookies and second year players playing a prominent role, two weeks into the season and some of you already want half the team traded and the coach fired.

Nothing wrong with expressing concern but much too early to panic and act like you have sand in your......

Game Thread: New York Knicks (3-3) vs. Milwaukee Bucks (2-5) - Tuesday, November 9, 2010 - 8:00 PM EST

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