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martin
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10/29/2010  11:33 PM
2 Huge things I have liked about what MDA has done:

- Bringing Chandler off the bench and starting Fields.
- Having Fields match up against Rondo. Allowed him to free lance and he seemed to make the smart decision on doubling, etc.

2 things I have not liked:
- Playing Mason and giving minutes to Mason and Walker at the same time with the second unit.
- Not giving Moz a few more minutes, especially in the second half of games. Didn't keep track to see if the big fella royally screwed up on some defense assignments or something, but coach seemed to sit him for no reason.

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10/29/2010  11:43 PM    LAST EDITED: 10/29/2010  11:44 PM
So i was thinking about the game. Fields is very solid, with his double-double, with 4 assists, 1 steal, and what seemed to be a good 6-10 dimes. Not to mention 0 turnovers in 34 mins i want to see more of him. Amare is just a force to be reconed with, pausterizing KG and makin Beantown crowd go "EEHhhhh......". That was classic. And he posesses a 3 point shot ? WoW. I am impressed. Felton is starting to come around, I can see him being really good here, i am talking all-star numbers. Will is playing comfortable out there and it shows. He hit 8-13 from 2 pointers ! , but was off on his 3 ball 1 of 7 from outside. Still , a very nice 9-20 from Chandler. Gallo and Timofey got taken out of their games somehow by these Celtics, i dunno. I mean the refs were more than a little biased towards the home team, but they couldn't stop the blocking party that we still put on them. Reason as to why we lost? Well, imho it was the subpar Celtic cheerleaders that were posted on page 1. Yep, i mean we had 7 less turnovers, 8 more blocks, and 8 more steals. Those are actually pretty heavy advantages. On the flip side we had 16 less rebounds and we pretty much covered up for that with our blocks and steals. Well, i tell you , its gotta be the C grade cheerleaders, prolly some sort of psychological thing.
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10/29/2010  11:54 PM
Could be that I'm biased haha but it seemed to me that I saw at least 4 or five fouls called on the Knicks or plays that went against the Knicks that were blatantly wrong. Usually those things even themselves out, but with a close game as it was, it could have cost the Knicks at a better opportunity to win (heck, if the Knicks hit their FTs at the end of the game they could have pulled out a OT perhaps).

- no call on Fields when he duped Marquis with a head fake and then drew the contact as he shot the ball that any player on Boston would have gotten FTs and Pierce gets regularly. No call and no basket.
- flop on Pierce against Amare where Amare would have gotten the ball right in front of rim for an easy 2 points.
- Scrum between Chandler and Big Baby that should have been a jumpball instead of a called time out for Boston.
- Shaq bitch-slapping Felton right in front of a ref late in game and there is no call.
- One of Amare's early charges that was against Shaq I do believe Shaq had part of his gigantic feet in the restricted area (close call no doubt).
- Seemed to me that refs allowed KG to bump and grind Amare on any fore into the lane.
- Chandler gets a tech clapping his hands after making hoop and perhaps getting fouled by Nate with no call. that was called a technical? KG and Pierce bark all game and that gets called?

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10/30/2010  12:01 AM
one other observation: love Turiaf's work deflecting shots, but the dude sucks at rebounding. No sense of timing whatsoever. Always jumps too early or something.
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10/30/2010  12:28 AM    LAST EDITED: 10/30/2010  12:29 AM
martin wrote:2 Huge things I have liked about what MDA has done:

- Bringing Chandler off the bench and starting Fields.
- Having Fields match up against Rondo. Allowed him to free lance and he seemed to make the smart decision on doubling, etc.

2 things I have not liked:
- Playing Mason and giving minutes to Mason and Walker at the same time with the second unit.
- Not giving Moz a few more minutes, especially in the second half of games. Didn't keep track to see if the big fella royally screwed up on some defense assignments or something, but coach seemed to sit him for no reason.

i think mason is 1 more game from gone from the rotation, or may already be out...and walker is not far off...actually he could be out too...

i think mda likes what turiaf has brought in some way, particularly tonight. mozgov will get his shot, but fair critique regardless.

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10/30/2010  12:31 AM
PresIke wrote:
martin wrote:2 Huge things I have liked about what MDA has done:

- Bringing Chandler off the bench and starting Fields.
- Having Fields match up against Rondo. Allowed him to free lance and he seemed to make the smart decision on doubling, etc.

2 things I have not liked:
- Playing Mason and giving minutes to Mason and Walker at the same time with the second unit.
- Not giving Moz a few more minutes, especially in the second half of games. Didn't keep track to see if the big fella royally screwed up on some defense assignments or something, but coach seemed to sit him for no reason.

i think mason is 1 more game from gone from the rotation, or may already be out...and walker is not far off...actually he could be out too...

Agreed

PresIke wrote:i think mda likes what turiaf has brought in some way, particularly tonight. mozgov will get his shot, but fair critique regardless.

you know what... I think I read somewhere that Moz fell on his hurting hip in the second half and that's why he may not have come off the bench as much in the second half.

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10/30/2010  12:37 AM
thanks for the info, martin.

was just thinking, not that there is legit evidence of this, but we are playing our home opener in 12 hours. possibly why 10 dudes are playing right now to get their shot. i think mozgov stays, and could also be a small part of why mda sat him, but the other two discussed are probably in some trouble when the schedule becomes less intense.

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10/30/2010  12:44 AM
10 rebounds from the starting SG.

Fields is IMPRESSIVE.

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10/30/2010  1:13 AM
I know some people said KG was washed up but that isnt the case--he dealt on Amare tonight when they went 1-1


We need an extra C--we need rebounding help from the 5 position!!!! were not really getting required rebounding from 4-5 who can we survive that?

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10/30/2010  1:19 AM
Top 5 teams averaged just under 6 blocks a game last year. Knicks are averaging 9.5 over first 2 games. And I know Moz had at least 3 blocks tonight but the Boston stat folks only gave him 1... they prob accidentally gave Rondo +2 assists instead of giving Moz those 2 blocks lol
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10/30/2010  1:19 AM
martin wrote:
PresIke wrote:
martin wrote:2 Huge things I have liked about what MDA has done:

- Bringing Chandler off the bench and starting Fields.
- Having Fields match up against Rondo. Allowed him to free lance and he seemed to make the smart decision on doubling, etc.

2 things I have not liked:
- Playing Mason and giving minutes to Mason and Walker at the same time with the second unit.
- Not giving Moz a few more minutes, especially in the second half of games. Didn't keep track to see if the big fella royally screwed up on some defense assignments or something, but coach seemed to sit him for no reason.

i think mason is 1 more game from gone from the rotation, or may already be out...and walker is not far off...actually he could be out too...

Agreed

PresIke wrote:i think mda likes what turiaf has brought in some way, particularly tonight. mozgov will get his shot, but fair critique regardless.

you know what... I think I read somewhere that Moz fell on his hurting hip in the second half and that's why he may not have come off the bench as much in the second half.

Walker we can give a little more patience with(not much) but more patience. Mason is shot. Those are important minutes--if I could find one player who could give me what they both give and cut the rotation down but we need to keep an eye on the D league--GS always seems to pull a guy out of there.

We are like a player short in the frontcourt and backcourt + Gallo and Randolph better show what they are capable of by the 20th game. If we CAN get that and tweek the team--this is not a bad team--for now--I dont see why they dont bring in Barron or someone else who can rebound and score a few points at 6-11 245++

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10/30/2010  1:35 AM
I missed the game. What happened to Gallinari? Was he hurt?
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10/30/2010  1:39 AM
GoNyGoNyGo wrote:I missed the game. What happened to Gallinari? Was he hurt?

He was terrible. He was off-balance and just looked like he cared more about his jelled hair than the game of basketball.

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10/30/2010  1:40 AM
martin wrote:2 Huge things I have liked about what MDA has done:

- Bringing Chandler off the bench and starting Fields.
- Having Fields match up against Rondo. Allowed him to free lance and he seemed to make the smart decision on doubling, etc.

2 things I have not liked:
- Playing Mason and giving minutes to Mason and Walker at the same time with the second unit.
- Not giving Moz a few more minutes, especially in the second half of games. Didn't keep track to see if the big fella royally screwed up on some defense assignments or something, but coach seemed to sit him for no reason.

oh, one more thing I did like about MDA's decision-making: he sat Gallo. This dude needs to bring the fire and if his shot is not falling, he has GOT to do more in other areas.

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10/30/2010  1:59 AM
eViL wrote:prediction: gallo goes off tonight. knicks win.

when i said "tonight," i meant tomorrow. after two games, i love this team. despite MDA's instructions not to play defense, they are blocking a ton of shots. that's the type of anti-coach defiance i can get behind if they play D like this, all year, against every team, i think they'll def win 41+ games.

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10/30/2010  2:32 AM
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Good game. I think that after the trade deadline and Gallo is still here, you will see a different Gallo. This Melo deal is messing with his head. Remember he came from Italy and he thought he would be a Knick forever. It is rumored that Gallo loves the party life in NY. He needs to focus on the game. I like this guy Fields. I hope he stays focus and don't let the NY life go to his head.

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10/30/2010  5:29 AM
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K22 wrote:Someone please tell Wilson that he doesn't have the range to be shooting 7 threes. Cut the threes and he's 8-13 from the field.

couple of those were the late 4th quarter desperation types. But yeah, he should cut those down unless he is completely wide open or at end of clock and has to shoot.

from Chris Sheridan's "what's wrong with Gallo" article:

"Last year we probably would have laid down at the end of the game, and it would have been a bigger victory for those guys," said Chandler, who faulted himself for taking too many 3-pointers (he was 1-for-7 from downtown, 8-for-13 otherwise).

so Chandler is aware that he needs to play to his strengths more. Unfortunately, there will be an adjustment period in that regard because he had been asked to become a SG. I really like him coming off the bench now because he can just be a man without a position that is a more than solid basketball player

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10/30/2010  7:29 AM
My impression of the game: Gallo is obviously hurting-the one thing that is usually there is the stroke-the wrist is hampering his shot-that being said he was trying to expand his game. Moz is going to be a player-saw 3 blks despite the scorers blinders, he doesn't back down even to Goliath. STAT is a warrior-welcome to the team. Landry Fields-if the draft were held today-mid to late first round. Chandler looks like 6th man Havlichek. Felton solid not great but solid. Turiaf-solid backup-stable but really surprised he hasn't learned to block out-he's been around long enough. D'An-impressed with the defensive intensity but should have kept someone in Pierce's face. Should have slowed down the game during the Celtic's first half run and given Mosgov mnore time in second half and kept Mason and Walker on the bench massaging Gallo's wrist. Overall cannot complain about second game on the road with hostile crowd and hometown officiating. Finally, Celtics will not be competing for the crown this year despite Davis looking like a beast.
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10/30/2010  8:13 AM    LAST EDITED: 10/30/2010  8:14 AM
This was the first game I've watched. I like Felton a lot but he didn't look like the kind of PG Amare would thrive off of. He wasn't pushing the ball or finding seams to pass through in the half court offense to set up easy shots for Amare. Amare had very few if any easy shots. Is that how all the games (counting preseason) have looked?
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10/30/2010  10:03 AM
Bonn1997 wrote:This was the first game I've watched. I like Felton a lot but he didn't look like the kind of PG Amare would thrive off of. He wasn't pushing the ball or finding seams to pass through in the half court offense to set up easy shots for Amare. Amare had very few if any easy shots. Is that how all the games (counting preseason) have looked?

i think felton is getting better every game.

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