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Knicks vs Celtics Preseason Game 3: We will have seen enough to declare a player a bust!
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AnubisADL
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10/14/2010  11:02 AM
sisqo8 wrote:after watching the first half of this game some things i would like to acknowledge about our beloved knicks..

1) holy **** amare is a beast! ok with that said.... if he is going to teach AR 1 thing .... i hope he teaches him how to find the creases in the defense and hit the open lanes on his cuts... This is were AR should be NOT SHOOTING PAST 15 FEET OUT...

2) Will has really worked on his shot and if he keeps looking like that he is the starting 2....

3) Mozgov is our x factor.... in a game that AR and Gallo were off.... we were in a good rythm with him in the game....

4) They look better with TD on the floor than Felton.... enuff said

5) bill walker should replace mason jr in the rotation ... walker looks automatic on the jumper..... just has to stay in front of his damn man on the other end ...

tell me what you think

Wait until you see the 2nd half.

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10/14/2010  12:24 PM    LAST EDITED: 10/14/2010  12:29 PM
fishmike wrote:
JohnWallace44 wrote:One of the shocking things from where I was watching was Mozgov trying to play a perimeter game. I get spreading it out, but that looked ridiculous. He was making the 10 ft shot early in the game, but then late in the game he comes back in and is standing out at the 3pt line.

Very odd.

Silver lining is that starter-vs-starter we beat Boston. They were playing their core group through the 2nd half against our guys that will never play in all likelihood.

I dont think thats the silver lining, I think thats the most important thing. Their frontcourt had no answer for Amare, Felton still struggled but his defense was good as was the team defense over all. The offense is still a work in progress but they are playing hard and improved greatly on the glass. Most of all while they struggle to score at times (minus Amare) they are making up for it on defense.

I totally agree. They had more energy on defense that helped to cover up the obvious deficiencies on offense. I think MDA is probably tinkering quite a bit on the offensive side of the court, and it looks like some of the players are confused about their role (e.g., AR, Felton).

We need to see MUCH better play from Felton as missing layups, making ridiculous passes, turning the ball over are sure-fire ways to destroy MDAs scheme.

Gallo is still mainly a shooter. He needs to get screens to get himself open. He also need to find his rhythm and stroke. But I still thnk it's early and we can't judge him based on two NBA-level games. The dude is going to get it on once things gel around him, and he is critical to opening up the floor for our main threat: Amare on the P&R.

AR has issues, to say the least. MDA needs to figure out how to maximize his potential. I am by no means ready to hang up the phone on him. He's 21, in a new system, a guy off the bench. He needs time to develop and a coach who has confidence in his contributions.

Mason should not see the light of day on this rotation. Chandler starting (his jump shot is greatly improved, he nailed two open 3s in the first half). Walker off the bench. When Buke comes back, we re-evaluate. Most likely he starts and Chandler off the bench until he is traded (it's going to happen at some point).

Stat was/is/will be simply outstanding. He's wonderful to have on our squad.

Mozgov will be our starting 5. He was great in the first quarter. He needs to learn the ropes, but he is a complete package for us at center. Donnie did great landing this $3mil player for us. Eddie who?

Fields was also a great find for us and gives us lots of flexibility.

We played Boston well (minus KG, but whatever) and we should have won the game. If we had a scorer like Melo on the floor, Boston would have crashed and burned. Donnie has built us a solid foundation. Let's not throw out the bath with the water so early in the PRE-SEASON.

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10/14/2010  2:11 PM
the big problem is right now when guys are in motion they arent handling passes. Olbrannon made a great point about Douglas making 3 passes (I remember each one) that we just didnt convert on and should have. Each would have been an easy score.

The thing thats killing us is too often our PGs are delivering the ball to our scorers while the scores are standing upright, as opposed to being in motion. That means everyone is standing watching/waiting for the scorer to make his move. If its Amare thats fine and part of his game, but Chandler and Gallo should be cutting, coming off screens, etc

Its made our offense stagnant and I expect that to be our biggest area of improvement

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10/14/2010  3:18 PM
umynot wrote:
nixluva wrote:
crzymdups wrote:tonight (and probably many other games this season) should drive home the fact that this team doesn't need carmelo - it needs a point guard.

tony parker or chris paul on this team takes it to the next level. jennings, too, but that ship sailed.


The only good thing is that it's still early and in all honesty this is exactly how Duhon looked in his 1st pre season with the Knicks. I think it's just a symptom of taking on a new team, new style of play and really a team full of kids that have limited experience. There's a lot on Felton's shoulders right now and since he's not a great player, he can't just rely on his raw talent and bluff his way thru. He's got to learn and go thru this process.

In the end there's no way out of this, except to push thru and keep working.

Or TRADE FOR RUBIO!!

Bad news. Rubio sucks

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10/14/2010  3:25 PM
We all know that MDA is trying to teach these guys how to play better on offense, so my take is that it will come eventually. I just think when his teams are in rhythm and flowing on offense it's a thing of beauty, but right now guys are thinking too much and it's causing them to play tentative and to stop and watch rather than just going with confidence.

AR is a perfect example of that. He's got that sad look on his face and doesn't look like he's having fun. Eventually they'll get it and then we're really gonna see just how good this team is. I take more positives from the game than negative.

For one thing we put Timo in there and he looked good. With so much room to grow, that is a good sign. Amare was a beast and that's without the benefit of the rest of the team even playing well yet. We have a lot of positive things going despite the shaky start from many of our players. Chandler is another bright spot as is Fields and Rautins.

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10/14/2010  7:21 PM
It seems like our guys need to warm up again. Last year we got off to a slow start jacking up shots. New faces but same results so far. As much as Jamal sucked for most of his time in NY our coaching staff turned him, Z Randolph, and the fresh pick and roll into a thing of beauty for the start of 08-09.

This team seems to need more playmakers and shot creators. Chandler can be one of those guys but he doesn't always look comfortable despite his talent.

Gallo should not be trying to cross anyone up. Either shoot it, pass it, or just take it straight to the basket.

Walker shows some flashes but im not convinced he's any type of go to guy either.

AR has looked atrocious.

That leaves our point guards. Douglas isn't a fluid ball handler and makes too many poor decisions. Which brings us back to Felton. He has to be a major penetrator because that is one of his strengths. When the pick and roll isn't working. He has to show some ability to break down the defense on his own. When that isn't working, we have to slow down a bit and just feed Amare play after play and let him draw fouls and doubles.
I think Felton and Amare are obviously our most involved players but Chandler is going to have to be option #3 with Gallo at a close 4. We can't just stand around and jack up bad shots.

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10/14/2010  7:35 PM
I have to concur with most here. Amare was outstanding. Superstar level play. Something about guys at that level that they always seem to do well, despite a new system and personnel.

Chandler did as expected. Needs to stay aggressive though.

Gallo is horrid. Just 3 after forced 3 out of the flow of the offense and with a defender closing in. No driving, posting up or anything we saw last season. He's just not quick enough to runa round or camp at the perimeter and jack 3s'. If he keeps this up he'll lose his starters spot for sure.

Felton is looking like Duhon the revenge. Just brings it up and passes it off. Not particularly good at handling the ball, can't beat his man. Can't shoot worth a lick. It'd be a shame if we had to go to Douglas to run the point.

AR is terrible. No situational awareness at all. I know he's in a new system but he just can't make good decisions. I don't thik this is going to change much this season.

TUriaf can't catch the ball when it is thrown to him. This may improve when the offense gels.

Moz - ok for rookie play. He could be solid going forward.

Walker is rounding into last season's form.

Keep in mind though that Boston is a great defensive team. We might look completely different next game.

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10/14/2010  7:50 PM
Papabear wrote:
Childs2Dudley wrote:
Papabear wrote:
NewYorkSoul wrote:I respect D'Antoni for not matching his lineup in frikkin pre-season. Who plays their stars 40 mins each in pre-season!?

Papabear Says

It's a thing called wanting to win by Boston at all costs and D'Antoni is showing the don't care attitude.

This is preseason. If you want to see our starters play 35 minutes in preseason then you don't really understand what preseason is about.

Papabear Says

Wining this game would have been a morale booster for these guys.

Going all out in preseason leads to crap like McDyess. Also you're trying to see how players you won't likely see in the season are against NBA talent. It's especially valuable to a team like us where the whole team is new. Boston is more set so the can do it but it's still stupid if their starters play full minutes.

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10/14/2010  9:34 PM
nykshaknbake wrote:
Papabear wrote:
Childs2Dudley wrote:
Papabear wrote:
NewYorkSoul wrote:I respect D'Antoni for not matching his lineup in frikkin pre-season. Who plays their stars 40 mins each in pre-season!?

Papabear Says

It's a thing called wanting to win by Boston at all costs and D'Antoni is showing the don't care attitude.

This is preseason. If you want to see our starters play 35 minutes in preseason then you don't really understand what preseason is about.

Papabear Says

Wining this game would have been a morale booster for these guys.

Going all out in preseason leads to crap like McDyess. Also you're trying to see how players you won't likely see in the season are against NBA talent. It's especially valuable to a team like us where the whole team is new. Boston is more set so the can do it but it's still stupid if their starters play full minutes.

Papabear Says

Well we've been trying this way for many seasons and we still have a loosing record. Forget that McDyess mess. McDyess was in worse shape then we thought he was when we did the deal. If you come to camp in shape it is less chance of you getting hurt.

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10/14/2010  9:49 PM
Childs2Dudley says

There is no such thing as morale boosting in preseason. Relax yourself.

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10/15/2010  7:55 AM
Childs2Dudley wrote:Childs2Dudley says

There is no such thing as morale boosting in preseason. Relax yourself.

Childs2Dudley

Baby2Dudley! That's your opinion.

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