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PresIke wrote:

Childs2Dudley wrote:

PresIke wrote:so you're suggesting we HAVE to assume the Knicks are lying in their statement about Isiah's role?

that's a HUGE leap of logic...in fact it's not logic, it's called speculation based on no real evidence...if this were a court it would be deemed inadmissible because there is no real basis.

we can only go by the facts, but to traumatized knick fans facts get in the way. i recognize isiah hurt the team immensely, but to say "nothing good will come of Isiah Thomas in this organization" goes against what TMS outlined regarding some of his draft picks, and only the most traumatized appear to refuse to even listen to.

Secondly, you keep stating that there are no sources that say Isiah won't return as gm/prez.

Are there any sources that tell us Jesus won't return either?

This kind of thing is UNPROVABLE and OPINION based mostly on speculation.

No reporter with any ethics would ever write such nonsense, but of course with Isola ethics don't exactly fit with his muckraking style of speculative b.s.

What is wrong with you? Are you listening to yourself? Why are you so in denial about this? You honestly think it's out of the realm of possibility? You honestly think that if you combine Walsh's age, Dolan's stupidity and Isiah's sneakiness that this wont happen?

Sure, Isiah was never fired. He was demoted until his contract ran out. His contract ran out this summer. Why would he get re-signed to a consultant role? That doesn't make sense to me. Does Isiah have so much valuable insight to offer? Why not just admit that it's because him and Dolan are best friends? The fact that they're very good friends doesn't concern you? The fact that Dolan isn't giving Walsh autonomy to make his own hires doesn't concern you? The fact that Dolan thought it was smart to hire Isiah doesn't concern you?

Please tell me how logical it is to hire Isiah in ANY role on this team. Whether he is going to be the next GM or not, this move is plain stupid as it bring back negative publicity where it is simply not needed.

ugggh....

dude, what's up?

i said it's "possible" yet you state i believe it's out of the realm of possibility...

meanwhile the point in the end is isiah has a good relationship with dolan, and WAS NEVER FIRED.

here's the thing, even if his "contract ran out" did he "earn" it?

can you put yourself in dolan's position for one second?

is it not crazy to after giving a person millions of dollars when they did a bad job to want more?

isiah is willing to show dolan he will do other work...but no, it has to be some massive conspiracy to get isiah back in charge...you haven't even conceded the possibility isiah will npt be gm/prez...i feel stupider every time i even have to discuss this....are we going to be children or are we striving to be adults?

meanwhile, i am not suggesting it is a good idea to keep isiah on...mostly because some fans can't handle it...personally, i don't hold a personal grudge against the man. whatever. do i like all he did? hellz no...but isiah did have some skills, despite the ridiculously irrational vendetta against him by some. i wish folks cared as much about more important things than this, but hey...that's how it is...

it is LOGICAL to hire isiah as a consultant, for the skills...but if you account for fan/media reaction, it's a problem...especially if you are so angry/jaded you hold onto hate of everything that doesn't fit a rosey view of what a team makes...aka why the 90's knicks...ironically glorified/romanticized today were RIDICULED by the same kind of folks who go crazy about isiah...isola, etc....something is behind such venom, but those who know what's up...know what's up....

it's only basketball

Isiah has no skills and should not be here under any circumstances. You defending it just shows that you really don't think Isiah did such a bad job here.

But whatever, this is a tired argument.

If you can't understand why having this career lying backstabber who destroyed the Knicks befriend Dolan and work for the team again is a bad idea then I don't know what else to say.

To each his own.

Long live Isiah.

eViL wrote:

PresIke wrote:you haven't even conceded the possibility isiah will npt be gm/prez...

that's the issue. it should be an absolute certainty that he will never hold that position. there should be no possibility whatsoever. and isiah is not the only person in the world that has scouting ability. you might think that everyone hates isiah because they're all racist, but that's not true. many of the folks here that are not fans of his are black. dikembe mutombo absolutely hated isiah thomas. dikembe "i'm practically a saint" ****ing mutombo hated him. c'mon son.

CrushAlot wrote:

eViL wrote:

PresIke wrote:you haven't even conceded the possibility isiah will npt be gm/prez...

that's the issue. it should be an absolute certainty that he will never hold that position. there should be no possibility whatsoever. and isiah is not the only person in the world that has scouting ability. you might think that everyone hates isiah because they're all racist, but that's not true. many of the folks here that are not fans of his are black. dikembe mutombo absolutely hated isiah thomas. dikembe "i'm practically a saint" ****ing mutombo hated him. c'mon son.

I don't think Don Chaney and Lenny Wilkins are very fond of him either.

exactly.

look, do i think isiah gets reamed harder by the mainstream media because of some underlying racial bias? probably.

could the fact that he has failed, catastrophically, on the biggest stage in the world, has managed to alienate multitudes of people, and has made bitter enemies everywhere he's gone have something to do with the venom? absolutely.

isola is doing us all a favor. the media is helping us right now. if they can rile enough people up, the opposition to this move could be strong enough to prevent what none of us want to see. that is, isiah holding a position of authority with the knicks again.

i'm not calling for the guy to die, or to be deprived of his chance to redeem himself, i just want the guy to stay away from my team. that's all. in fact, i think it would be a great story for him to find success in his post-basketball career. let it happen far away from the knicks please.

dude lost his job in that position, but apparently that's not enough for some...

PresIke wrote:so the only way some of you will relax is if the knicks say isiah will never be gm?

dude lost his job in that position, but apparently that's not enough for some...

I can only speak for myself. I would not relax till that POS is surgically removed from this team.

PresIke wrote:oh and 1 more key fact beck states:

Although he was removed as the president and coach, Thomas was never fired as an employee.

Then how was he able to be a head coach for an NCAA team last year? It wasn't until he was rehired as a "consultant" that they sought permission from the NCAA and the NBA about the possibility of having that arrangement. I'm pretty sure that ridiculous conflict of interest would have been broached before he accepted the job with FIU, if he in fact were still employed with the Knicks.

Before you question if people understand what "facts" are, perhaps you shouldn't take an organization's P.R. statement and assume what is said in it to be facts.

nixluva wrote:Well some of you can let this crap mess up your enjoying this upcoming season, but I really don't care about Dolan or Zeke right now. I just want to see what this team does and hope for a big season for a change. Right now Zeke can't do jack, so I'm not gonna worry about it until something changes.

agreed

PresIke wrote:

islesfan wrote:

PresIke wrote:oh and 1 more key fact beck states:

Although he was removed as the president and coach, Thomas was never fired as an employee.

Then how was he able to be a head coach for an NCAA team last year? It wasn't until he was rehired as a "consultant" that they sought permission from the NCAA and the NBA about the possibility of having that arrangement. I'm pretty sure that ridiculous conflict of interest would have been broached before he accepted the job with FIU, if he in fact were still employed with the Knicks.

Before you question if people understand what "facts" are, perhaps you shouldn't take an organization's P.R. statement and assume what is said in it to be facts.

i don't necessarily believe them, but that's all we have for evidence. everything else is PURE speculation...essentially baseless. why is it assumed isiah will have a big role?

how can one believe anything other than what the facts are at this point?

isiah ain't doing ish and i believe even you know this.

this anger is silly.

and i think isiah made multiple bad moves and deserved to be removed from his previous position.

That's not evidence and it's not facts. It's spin from a company notorious for wanting to control the message. Hell, they even bought a local paper to help them do it.

Why go through all this if Isiah wasn't going to have a big role and wasn't going to do anything?

grillco wrote:

I've been good. I'm a father of two boys now (one just four weeks old). How about you? Any of the other folks from the NY Times forum still around...virtually speaking?

I was surprised when the NY Times forum went down. I hadn't posted or even lurked on it in a year or two and then wanted to talk one day and found it was gone.

The NY Times forums moved here.