BigSm00th wrote:TMS wrote:i'll tell you guys what's stupid... that's trading away young assets for a player you don't even know if you'll be able to sign in a year's time... giving up young assets to attain a superstar in a trade is not stupid... that's what teams like the Celtics did to get KG & the Heat did to get Shaq, both on their way to winning a championship because of it... i love how the notion of giving up young assets for a player like CP3 now is so out of the question for the same people that were so adamant in their defense of the all-in for Lebron plan over the past 2 years.not wanting to give up the entire farm for CP3 is understandable, i don't think anyone advocates giving up AR, Gallo & Chandler all in the same deal for a player who had a major surgery... you can draw to flashbacks of the ill-fated McDyess deal in some respects... but in other respects CP3 is a much more valuable player, especially when you already have a player like Amare in the fold who would be at the receiving end of his 10 assists a night over Ray Felton's 5... & you would also likely be adding a player like OK4 to the fold as well which shores up your frontcourt even more... but no, people would rather wait out another season & get strung along once again by Melo hoping he'll decide to sign here next summer... the time for waiting is over... if a superstar player is available in a trade, you go for it... that's what amassing young assets is supposed to net us afterall... giving up AR is not going to make or break this franchise... attaining a player like CP3 very well could... of course there's a risk, just like there was a risk giving away assets before we even knew what Lebron was going to do this summer... i'd rather give up assets knowing who you're getting personally... this is CP3 we're talking about... you won't find a better PG in the NBA anywhere & people are hedging on giving up AR... wow.
agreed. i think there is a fine line b/w what constitutes a "good deal" in trading for CP3. That being said, Briggs, ray felton for his career is a 14 pt 6 assist guy. i agree his #'s will get inflated, but saying he'll lead the league in assists is a bit much.
chris paul is a year younger than felton is. for his career he's legit put up 19/10/5reb!/2.5 stl. those are superstar #'s. look at isiah thomas' career #'s, very very similar. this guy, in d'antoni's offense, could legitimately put up 20 points/15 assists/6 rebounds/2.5 steals. just eye popping stuff. if nash won 2 back to back MVPs i can't imagine what CP3 would do in the prime of his career playing with a big like amare. (CP3's best year in 08-09 he put up 23/11/6/3 those are real numbers not inflated briggs #s thats what this guy did with byron scott as a head coach)
felton was signed to a very very realistic contract. if the knicks made this move i don't see why they couldn't turn around and get some assets for felton.
obviously the knicks have the leverage here. they have had a succesful offseason so far, have accumulated a few nice picks, and CP3 is the one that demanded a trade. the hornets are the one with the disgruntled superstar, not the knicks.
walsh has made his name as a GM pulling off good trades. his pacer teams post reggie were forged with a few wily trades (getting JO for dale davis, getting artest and brad miller for jalen rose), i think everyone agrees lee was gonna go for nothing and he managed to get AR, turaif, and azabuike out of it --- a great deal when the flip side of the coin is nothing.
we'll see what happens, but how can you NOT want a guy like CP3? i know he has an injury issue -- guess what, so does amare. you can be in the conversation as a championship contender with a duo of CP3 and amare.
Explain to me what leverage the Knicks have when Chris Paul is signed for 2 more years? None--it would be expensive and stupid at this point. We just paid 100mm $ for a guy who is a legit health rish--now what we want to start giving up 21 year old 7 footers. Sometimes I think that people need to think more about it-- we are in 0 need. We wait and deal from position of strength--see what WE have and not rush into very expensive players who haev been hurt for lengthy periods without proof of health. Im very excited to see what we have---I think its a winning team--a few tweaks--OK but let it go.
