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buddapaw
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2/27/2010  10:24 PM
oohah wrote:
bitty41 wrote:

Yea Lee has absolutely no help underneath and why this issue has not been addressed by the Knicks front office is beyond me. Even if they just get a big body to bang down low but having Harrington/Lee, Chandler/Lee, or Gall/Lee is not going to work in the NBA.

Walsh should have drafted a center and a point guard. Those are the 2 key positions to building a solid team. That is how you free up your shooters and slashers to operate.

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2/27/2010  10:25 PM

oohah

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2/27/2010  10:26 PM
Not one Z-Bo post game question...WOW...
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2/27/2010  10:26 PM
Could any of those centers shoot the 3? If not they need not apply.
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2/27/2010  10:26 PM
oohah wrote:
bitty41 wrote:

Yea Lee has absolutely no help underneath and why this issue has not been addressed by the Knicks front office is beyond me. Even if they just get a big body to bang down low but having Harrington/Lee, Chandler/Lee, or Gall/Lee is not going to work in the NBA.

Walsh should have drafted a center and a point guard. Those are the 2 key positions to building a solid team. That is how you free up your shooters and slashers to operate.

oohah

It amazes me how veteran knicks fans don't see the point you just made.

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2/27/2010  10:27 PM
Pharzeone wrote:
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Pharzeone wrote:Malik is lost. Lee couldn't rebound on his own. Dude didn't even lead his team rebounding tonight.

Lee, I have to give him a break on this game. Gasol and Randolph did a number on him. There was no way for him to get around those big bodies. They boxed him out all day. Lee is not a box-out rebounder. He is a hustle rebounder.

oohah

Yea Lee has absolutely no help underneath and why this issue has not been addressed by the Knicks front office is beyond me. Even if they just get a big body to bang down low but having Harrington/Lee, Chandler/Lee, or Gall/Lee is not going to work in the NBA.

The problem is that Lee is not a banger himself. He starts off in the high post. It is amazing how ineffective he is with delaying post moves. Gasol blowing by him was similar to Miller blowing pass him to get to the rim. Everybody else has got their man. At some point you are on your own.

Lee is not a true back to basket post player his points are off of offensive rebounds, running the floor, pick/roll, etc.
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2/27/2010  10:27 PM    LAST EDITED: 2/27/2010  10:27 PM
Pharzeone wrote:The problem is that Lee is not a banger himself. He starts off in the high post. It is amazing how ineffective he is with delaying post moves. Gasol blowing by him was similar to Miller blowing pass him to get to the rim. Everybody else has got their man. At some point you are on your own.

lee somewhat fills into the marion slot in this system.
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2/27/2010  10:28 PM
holfresh wrote:Not one Z-Bo post game question...WOW...

That's because they are all in the Grizzlies locker room surrounding Z-Bo.

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2/27/2010  10:29 PM    LAST EDITED: 2/27/2010  10:29 PM
holfresh wrote:Not one Z-Bo post game question...WOW...

No one asked what dumbass thought it was a good idea to trade Randolph for two guys who are barely in the league.
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2/27/2010  10:31 PM
bitty41 wrote:
Pharzeone wrote:
bitty41 wrote:
oohah wrote:
Pharzeone wrote:Malik is lost. Lee couldn't rebound on his own. Dude didn't even lead his team rebounding tonight.

Lee, I have to give him a break on this game. Gasol and Randolph did a number on him. There was no way for him to get around those big bodies. They boxed him out all day. Lee is not a box-out rebounder. He is a hustle rebounder.

oohah

Yea Lee has absolutely no help underneath and why this issue has not been addressed by the Knicks front office is beyond me. Even if they just get a big body to bang down low but having Harrington/Lee, Chandler/Lee, or Gall/Lee is not going to work in the NBA.

The problem is that Lee is not a banger himself. He starts off in the high post. It is amazing how ineffective he is with delaying post moves. Gasol blowing by him was similar to Miller blowing pass him to get to the rim. Everybody else has got their man. At some point you are on your own.

Lee is not a true back to basket post player his points are off of offensive rebounds, running the floor, pick/roll, etc.

Yeah and that's a problem on this team. MDA had Amare who is a whiz kid in the post. He doesn't have that on this team. That's why I say you can't go in a direction of just reuping Lee to team with Lebron. Still need a banger. I guess they thought Hill would be that player. Still don't understand why he wasn't given a chance to perform as such. I mean MDA had him on the high post most of the time he was in the game.

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2/27/2010  10:31 PM
holfresh wrote:Not one Z-Bo post game question...WOW...

Randolph is boxing out the press maybe?

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2/27/2010  10:33 PM
Pharzeone wrote:
bitty41 wrote:
Pharzeone wrote:
bitty41 wrote:
oohah wrote:
Pharzeone wrote:Malik is lost. Lee couldn't rebound on his own. Dude didn't even lead his team rebounding tonight.

Lee, I have to give him a break on this game. Gasol and Randolph did a number on him. There was no way for him to get around those big bodies. They boxed him out all day. Lee is not a box-out rebounder. He is a hustle rebounder.

oohah

Yea Lee has absolutely no help underneath and why this issue has not been addressed by the Knicks front office is beyond me. Even if they just get a big body to bang down low but having Harrington/Lee, Chandler/Lee, or Gall/Lee is not going to work in the NBA.

The problem is that Lee is not a banger himself. He starts off in the high post. It is amazing how ineffective he is with delaying post moves. Gasol blowing by him was similar to Miller blowing pass him to get to the rim. Everybody else has got their man. At some point you are on your own.

Lee is not a true back to basket post player his points are off of offensive rebounds, running the floor, pick/roll, etc.

Yeah and that's a problem on this team. MDA had Amare who is a whiz kid in the post. He doesn't have that on this team. That's why I say you can't go in a direction of just reuping Lee to team with Lebron. Still need a banger. I guess they thought Hill would be that player. Still don't understand why he wasn't given a chance to perform as such. I mean MDA had him on the high post most of the time he was in the game.

I've always felt that to compete in this league you need one true back to the basket post player who can score.
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2/28/2010  3:03 AM
Zach & his $17 million dollar contract in 2010 needed to be traded to give us any chance at a FA this summer.
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2/28/2010  9:58 AM
TMS wrote:Zach & his $17 million dollar contract in 2010 needed to be traded to give us any chance at a FA this summer.

Not sure why this concept is so hard to grasp for some. There are many things to bash Walsh and MDA on if thats the direction you want to go in, but trading Zach and his contract isn't one of them.
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2/28/2010  10:36 AM
Uptown wrote:
TMS wrote:Zach & his $17 million dollar contract in 2010 needed to be traded to give us any chance at a FA this summer.

Not sure why this concept is so hard to grasp for some. There are many things to bash Walsh and MDA on if thats the direction you want to go in, but trading Zach and his contract isn't one of them.

This was the case until about a week ago. Once Walsh made the decision to trade Jeffries with the draft picks, you can make the argument that trading Z-Bo was not necessary if you were looking for someone of his caliber to play along your wing FA. Bringing back Lee or bringing in Boozer for those amounts or near them will be a step back or counterproductive. These trades are independent of each other. I think this point was brought up last year about the Jeffries and Curry contracts should be the first to go.
1) trading Z-Bo
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2/28/2010  11:28 AM
Uptown wrote:
TMS wrote:Zach & his $17 million dollar contract in 2010 needed to be traded to give us any chance at a FA this summer.

Not sure why this concept is so hard to grasp for some. There are many things to bash Walsh and MDA on if thats the direction you want to go in, but trading Zach and his contract isn't one of them.

If you are a believer in gaining cap space in a reasonable manner, not jumping the gun, and getting a reasonable return on your assets,(like I am.), both the Randolph and Jeffries trades were not very good.

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2/28/2010  11:38 AM
oohah wrote:
bitty41 wrote:

Yea Lee has absolutely no help underneath and why this issue has not been addressed by the Knicks front office is beyond me. Even if they just get a big body to bang down low but having Harrington/Lee, Chandler/Lee, or Gall/Lee is not going to work in the NBA.

Walsh should have drafted a center and a point guard. Those are the 2 key positions to building a solid team. That is how you free up your shooters and slashers to operate.

oohah


I agree. It really is a basic concept and I don't understand why these needs were ignored in the past two drafts.
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2/28/2010  11:51 AM
The PG they wanted in the Gallinari draft- Westbrook, was not there when they picked (and in retrospect, Augustine was a good non-pick), and many teams, not just the Knicks, thought that Lopez was not worthy of being a top lottery pick.

I hoped for Curry in this past draft, and expected Walsh to take Holiday, when Curry was taken by the Warriors. According to Walsh, Hill, despite being raw, was the best big man on their draft board last year, so he at least tried to pick up a future center.

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2/28/2010  11:54 AM
Paladin55 wrote:and many teams, not just the Knicks, thought that Lopez was not worthy of being a top lottery pick.

Who cares what other teams did and did not do? The Clippers have sucked forever. Does that mean it is okay for the Knicks to suck forever?

In any case, Center was and is a glaring need for the Knicks then and now. A good thing for a GM to do is fill the obvious needs.

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2/28/2010  12:23 PM
Uptown wrote:
TMS wrote:Zach & his $17 million dollar contract in 2010 needed to be traded to give us any chance at a FA this summer.

Not sure why this concept is so hard to grasp for some. There are many things to bash Walsh and MDA on if thats the direction you want to go in, but trading Zach and his contract isn't one of them.

Zach is getting paid his market value. Any player in this league that consistently average around 20 and 10 is going to get paid 17 million. The Knicks could have unloaded his contract only to turnaround and pay Carlos Boozer or Amare Stoudamire the same amount for another 5 years so what kind of sense does that make?
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