AnubisADL wrote:
You do know that max for a guy like McGrady who has been in the League for more than a decade is like 20 million right? If he plays superb the max he will get is around 10 million per considering his injury history.

yep.. I dunno.. but Im guessing he'd get something like 3yrs @ 17 mil

AnubisADL wrote:

The Knicks and Rockets have designed the framework of a deal that would unload New York’s Jared Jeffries(notes), Jordan Hill(notes) and either Al Harrington(notes) or Larry Hughes(notes) for McGrady, Joey Dorsey(notes) and Brian Cook(notes).

As talks stood on Monday, the price of dumping the burdensome contract of Jeffries – who is owed $6.9 million next season – comes with the Knicks and Rockets exchanging 2011 first-round picks and the Knicks’ 2012 first-round choice going to Houston. New York also might include a 2010 second-round pick.

Source: http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=AtnYWLqrSYsgb4ziym_lfYK8vLYF?slug=ys-knicksrocketstrade021510&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

I pray to god this does NOT happen. Have we learned NOTHING from trading future picks that become lottery picks. Unreal.

i'd trust walsh to put some lotto protection on those picks... i hope.

hey, we knew they'd pay a hefty price to get cap room to sign two guys. if they get bron and bosh the draft picks won't be a second thought. if not... the draft picks will hurt. we shall see.

New York Trade Breakdown

Incoming Players
Ray Allen----Cut him so he can go back to Boston
6-5 SG from Connecticut
16.0 ppg, 3.5 rpg, 2.7 apg in 36.7 minutes
Eddie House---FA at the end of the year
6-1 PG from Arizona State
7.1 ppg, 1.4 rpg, 1.0 apg in 16.9 minutes
Tony Allen----Non-entity. Just like Marcus Banks who D'Antoni liked. FA.
6-4 SG from Oklahoma State
7.2 ppg, 3.0 rpg, 1.7 apg in 19.7 minutes
Tracy McGrady---Self Explanitory.
6-8 SG / SF from Mount Zion Christian Academy (HS)
3.2 ppg, 0.8 rpg, 1.0 apg in 7.6 minutes
Joey Dorsey----FA at end of year.
6-9 PF from Memphis
1.8 ppg, 3.8 rpg, 0.3 apg in 8.6 minutes
Outgoing Players
Larry Hughes
6-5 SG from St. Louis
9.6 ppg, 3.5 rpg, 3.5 apg in 26.4 minutes
Eddy Curry
6-11 C from Thornwood (HS)
3.7 ppg, 1.9 rpg, 0.0 apg in 8.9 minutes
Al Harrington
6-9 PF / SF from St. Patrick's (HS)
17.8 ppg, 5.6 rpg, 1.4 apg in 30.1 minutes
Jared Jeffries
6-11 SF from Indiana
5.5 ppg, 4.4 rpg, 1.6 apg in 28.6 minutes
Nate Robinson
5-9 PG from Washington
13.2 ppg, 2.4 rpg, 3.7 apg in 24.4 minutes
Jordan Hill
6-9 PF from Arizona
4.1 ppg, 2.5 rpg, 0.3 apg in 10.0 minutes

Boston Trade Breakdown
Change in Team Outlook: +4.4 ppg, +2.0 rpg, and -0.3 apg.

Incoming Players
Eddy Curry
6-11 C from Thornwood (HS)
3.7 ppg, 1.9 rpg, 0.0 apg in 8.9 minutes
Al Harrington
6-9 PF / SF from St. Patrick's (HS)
17.8 ppg, 5.6 rpg, 1.4 apg in 30.1 minutes
Nate Robinson
5-9 PG from Washington
13.2 ppg, 2.4 rpg, 3.7 apg in 24.4 minutes
Outgoing Players
Ray Allen
6-5 SG from Connecticut
16.0 ppg, 3.5 rpg, 2.7 apg in 36.7 minutes
Eddie House
6-1 PG from Arizona State
7.1 ppg, 1.4 rpg, 1.0 apg in 16.9 minutes
Tony Allen
6-4 SG from Oklahoma State
7.2 ppg, 3.0 rpg, 1.7 apg in 19.7 minutes

Houston Trade Breakdown
Change in Team Outlook: +14.2 ppg, +5.8 rpg, and +4.1 apg.

Incoming Players
Larry Hughes
6-5 SG from St. Louis
9.6 ppg, 3.5 rpg, 3.5 apg in 26.4 minutes
Jared Jeffries
6-11 SF from Indiana
5.5 ppg, 4.4 rpg, 1.6 apg in 28.6 minutes
Jordan Hill
6-9 PF from Arizona
4.1 ppg, 2.5 rpg, 0.3 apg in 10.0 minutes
Outgoing Players
Tracy McGrady
6-8 SG / SF from Mount Zion Christian Academy (HS)
3.2 ppg, 0.8 rpg, 1.0 apg in 7.6 minutes
Joey Dorsey
6-9 PF from Memphis
1.8 ppg, 3.8 rpg, 0.3 apg in 8.6 minutes

We sell Boston a bench and they get back Ray Allen anyway.

Houston gets what they want in youth and expirings. Losing the picks is easier if we are getting rid of Curry to Boston, IMO. We clear $21 mil($7 mil committed). Have around $50 mil over the summer to spend.

Enough to resign Lee, sign 2 max FA's and have some money left.

Dolan shoulda hired me. If you are gonna rebuild, gotta have the sack to pull the trigger on deals like these.

AnubisADL wrote:Knowing our luck Jordan Hill will turn into a beast and average 20 and 10 next year fr Houston.

I'm not high on Jordan Hill but Im not sending a lottery pick to Houston unless they take on Curry's toxic deal.

what's the news on Yao? is he going to be back next year healthy or is his career pretty much over? even if Jordan Hill ends up being a backup for Landry & Yao next season, he's infinitely better than David Anderson & Chuck Hayes... some guys will go to any lengths to knock a young player around here if they weren't the exact guy they wanted all along... it's pathetic.

TMS wrote:

AnubisADL wrote:Knowing our luck Jordan Hill will turn into a beast and average 20 and 10 next year fr Houston.

I'm not high on Jordan Hill but Im not sending a lottery pick to Houston unless they take on Curry's toxic deal.

what's the news on Yao? is he going to be back next year healthy or is his career pretty much over? even if Jordan Hill ends up being a backup for Landry & Yao next season, he's infinitely better than David Anderson & Chuck Hayes... some guys will go to any lengths to knock a young player around here if they weren't the exact guy they wanted all along... it's pathetic.

I have a feeling moving Jefferies with Hill is an attempt to create space to re-sign Lee and still go after other FA's. Dolan strikes again.

I have no idea whats going on with Yao and havent heard anything either. The guy hasnt played a full season in years and plays for his country every summer. No way do I pay him the max.

AnubisADL wrote:

TMS wrote:

AnubisADL wrote:Knowing our luck Jordan Hill will turn into a beast and average 20 and 10 next year fr Houston.

I'm not high on Jordan Hill but Im not sending a lottery pick to Houston unless they take on Curry's toxic deal.

what's the news on Yao? is he going to be back next year healthy or is his career pretty much over? even if Jordan Hill ends up being a backup for Landry & Yao next season, he's infinitely better than David Anderson & Chuck Hayes... some guys will go to any lengths to knock a young player around here if they weren't the exact guy they wanted all along... it's pathetic.

I have a feeling moving Jefferies with Hill is an attempt to create space to re-sign Lee and still go after other FA's. Dolan strikes again.

If we do what we think, then we'll end up getting Houston's better pick. If we miss on the FA's then we're really really screwed.

I would take that out of the deal if Walsh is proposing it.

Look, its pay the piper time, and Walsh has to make a move like this. This is the bill finally coming for him not trading Nate and Jeffries to SacTown over a year ago. I completely lost it when he didn't package Lee and Nate in deals to clear cap at the time, and this is why.

That said, there's no choice. He has to do this. If that's the price, then that's the price.

Markji wrote:

AnubisADL wrote:

TMS wrote:

AnubisADL wrote:Knowing our luck Jordan Hill will turn into a beast and average 20 and 10 next year fr Houston.

I'm not high on Jordan Hill but Im not sending a lottery pick to Houston unless they take on Curry's toxic deal.

what's the news on Yao? is he going to be back next year healthy or is his career pretty much over? even if Jordan Hill ends up being a backup for Landry & Yao next season, he's infinitely better than David Anderson & Chuck Hayes... some guys will go to any lengths to knock a young player around here if they weren't the exact guy they wanted all along... it's pathetic.

I have a feeling moving Jefferies with Hill is an attempt to create space to re-sign Lee and still go after other FA's. Dolan strikes again.

Yeah....trading Jeffries + Hill opens up $10 in cap space for 2010. I only do this if we get Houston's 1st round pick in 2010. Then we are trading to Houston a #8 for a #15 (approx) 1st round pick.We gain by it opening up our cap space.

we're also giving them a future pick in the deal along w/Hill & the ability to swap picks in 2011, which could very well be another high lottery pick we miss out on... & some reports i've read even have us throwing in $3 mil in cash & another 2nd round pick on top of that to add the cherry on top.

translation: "This is madness!"